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[Verbal32]

Why is Sili a town lean for you?

 

He's digging hard for information.  Scum are usually much more observant of their tendency to dig too deep and get called out on it.  Sili doesn't seem to care - he's just going about his game without caring how it makes him look (imo).

[Yates]

Vig: ?

Cop: ?

You forgot Doc.

 

Vig: Eldrick - Right now this is what I'm thinking. Either him or Hally. But a lot of it depends on how today's lynch goes down and performing a super micro VCA post flip.

Cop: Wombat - You bozos will never be able to tell if he is Town or Scum. Me neither.

Doc: Verbal - He crumbed a PR. I saw it.

I know you didn't but I still think it would be hilarious if you were NKed N1. Again.

 

NOW who's evil??!!! MOOO HOO HA HA HA!

 

[WWWwombat]

People should stop making me click spoilers.

[Thane Vakarian]

i left doc out on purpose, yates

[Sili Quirrels]

I call it overthinking. Im overthinking stuff but am trying not to.

 

I have a poe and i know at least 1 scum is in it.

[Thane Vakarian]

but thanks for noticing

[Verbal32]

h8u Yates

[WWWwombat]

I've basically assumed you're telling the truth about the mason thing.

 

But you still want to lynch him?=S

 

 

 

Why is Sili a town lean for you?

 

He's digging hard for information.  Scum are usually much more observant of their tendency to dig too deep and get called out on it.  Sili doesn't seem to care - he's just going about his game without caring how it makes him look (imo).

 

 

Meh.  I don't have much meta on Sili, but he's pretty spastic regardless imo and that's how his "digging" is coming off to me.

 

 

 

Vig: ?

Cop: ?

You forgot Doc.

 

Vig: Eldrick - Right now this is what I'm thinking. Either him or Hally. But a lot of it depends on how today's lynch goes down and performing a super micro VCA post flip.

Cop: Wombat - You bozos will never be able to tell if he is Town or Scum. Me neither.

Doc: Verbal - He crumbed a PR. I saw it.

I know you didn't but I still think it would be hilarious if you were NKed N1. Again.

 

NOW who's evil??!!! MOOO HOO HA HA HA!

 

 

Pumpkin?

[Sili Quirrels]

i cant build cases when im scum wombat:(

[Yates]

h8u Yates

[Sili Quirrels]

Thats my meta atm.

[WWWwombat]

Maybe we define the concept differently, but I haven't seen any cases worthy of the name yet this game.

[Sili Quirrels]

Basically arguments.

[WWWwombat]

Well I don't get a lot of the arguments you make as town either, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.  Different perspectives are good.  In my opinion, a true case usually has either one highly developed logical argument or a lot of smaller ones.  I don't usually make or see those until we have some flips to work with.  I think of D1 as mostly probing for reactions and developing reads.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

I know how to read those I'm familiar with. Sometimes.

 

 

 

Fair enough.

 

Could you explain your take on not bob?

 

At this point, all I have are gut feelings. He seems okay so far, but that could change as he posts more. 

 

 

Lily, what is your gut impression of NotBob now? When you say 'okay' do you mean 'null', or 'more likely Town'?

 

 

Null to town. He really hasn't posted enough for me to put him solidly in the town category yet. 

[Sili Quirrels]

-Of any complexity or nuance i have difficulty fabricating still.

 

As recentvgames seem to demonstrate.

[Cass]

 

I'll be back for a few hours at least, after dinner, if anyone has specific questions for me.

Question 1: In light of my claim, do you finally trust me to be Town?

Question 2: Assuming you trust me to be Town [at least for today], would you agree with my assessment of Eldrick from earlier? Or is my annoyance/paranoia getting the best of me with my vote on his sloppy play?

 

1. No. 

For starters, I don't think I understand enough about/have enough experience with what you may or may not be truly implying with your claim, or why it should/would ever be more indicative of one alignment or the other. Second, your attitude and the extent of your insistence about it gut reads more scum than Town to me. I've been finding it overly pushy and defensive for something I can't see being decidedly Town-indicative or useful until a flip. And I don't know that I believe you about testing Hallia with your masons/neighbours slip. Tbh, I'm still gut reading you as scum/I do not trust you. If you can give me a serious explanation as to what if anything I'm missing that should theoretically make me trust you to be Town 'in light of your claim', I'll reevaluate. 

 

 

2. I don't trust you to be Town [now...or likely ever  ], I am waiting probably 'at least for today' to see what else develops. There is definitely a difference. 

What are you actually asking? 

If you are asking if I feel like he's potentially scummy/has sloppy play? The answer to that is definitely yes, and is in my list. 

If you are asking whether I feel he's scum enough to push hard and vote, like you have? The answer to that is not likely on Day 1, and reasoning for that is in my list also. And in the fact that I'm sick of digging holes. 

 

If you're asking what I actually think about your play in the following posts: 

 

[v]Eldrick[/v]

 

I just scummed with you, bro. Wrong move to play the newb Town card with me. Nothing you are saying is within striking distance of smart Town play.

The jibe at the end seems off in tone and tbh, I don't understand why you'd reference his behaviour with 'newb Town card'. I may have thought his reasoning was strange and sloppy and quite possibly motivated by scum, but I didn't see him trying to justify that by being new. 

I'm reading him exactly the same way as I did in the Arthurian game you reference. I have no idea if this is just the way he posts or if it is indicative of his alignment. I'm conscious of the possibility for both. Was there something in your scum chat that suggested he was directly using this tactic in that game?

 

 

 

Wait, when was it again he played the newb town card to clear himself?

"I have a GREAT idea! Let's kill one of the Masons to prove the claim because scum totally won't kill the other after the first flips Town!! OH! And we should test this claim on the more active of the two Masons just to make this as +EV as humanly possible! I. AM. A. GENIUS."

 

You know my penchant for communication. The (your) attitude and tone in this response reads scummy scummy scummy scum to me. The content seemed provocative/unnecessary and I doubt I will ever understand/read attitudes like this as likely to come from Town. But this is you and I know you still currently make no sense to me, on any level, other than I know you're good at what it is you do and you are capable of sounding just like this regardless of what you rand. If you'd care to try the explanation of why you thought 'playing the newb Town card' was worth a mention (or why your claim should be so obviously Town) I'll be all ears. And soul. And if necessary, potentially/hopefully a little brain.

[Yates]

For starters, I don't think I understand enough about/have enough experience with what you may or may not be truly implying with your claim, or why it should/would ever be more indicative of one alignment or the other.

Do me a favor and take a breather on me until after you have spoken with Darthe. Deal? I don't want to clutter up the thread explaining stuff I think he'll explain to you. But one thing I think you are missing - and it's a REALLY big thing - is that Masons are ALWAYS Town. So if one Mason get's NKed by scum, the other Mason is absolutely positively 100% confirmed Town as well.

[Verbal32]

[v]Eldrick[/v]

 

I just scummed with you, bro. Wrong move to play the newb Town card with me. Nothing you are saying is within striking distance of smart Town play.

The jibe at the end seems off in tone

 

 

How so?  The entire post is a sarcastic remark aimed at Eldrick.  I thought your post was pretty reasonable overall, but this little tidbit stuck out to me.  Scum and townies alike will use and abuse sarcasm all the time, so I don't see it as alignment indicative.......and I get the impression you're using it as such.  Can you course-correct me, here?

[Verbal32]

 

For starters, I don't think I understand enough about/have enough experience with what you may or may not be truly implying with your claim, or why it should/would ever be more indicative of one alignment or the other.

Do me a favor and take a breather on me until after you have spoken with Darthe. Deal? I don't want to clutter up the thread explaining stuff I think he'll explain to you. But one thing I think you are missing - and it's a REALLY big thing - is that Masons are ALWAYS Town. So if one Mason get's NKed by scum, the other Mason is absolutely positively 100% confirmed Town as well.

 

 

I almost want to lynch you anyway simply because you're saying Darthe is the voice of reason.  You do realize that's what you're saying, right?

[Yates]

I almost want to lynch you anyway simply because you're saying Darthe is the voice of reason.  You do realize that's what you're saying, right?

[LilyElizabeth]

My current reads:

 

Town reads – Dice, Eldrick, Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Hallia, Cass, Sili, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found – Leelou, Alanna, Thane, Dawn, Sooh, Wombat

[Alanna]

I'm not getting the bad tone from Hallia that some other people are. I'm actually feeling much more townie about her than I usually am, and would definitely prefer to keep her around. My personal view of her is that she is likely to being appearing more scummy later in the game anyway (if she is scum, I mean). It was clear to me from the start that she was not saying that she specifically suspects Pral of being a goon, but rather that he could be one - just like anyone else could be.

 

Not liking Eldrick for his reasoning of dropping the Yates lynch - if it had been because he realized it was a bad idea, well, +1. I get that some people had to think that through. But that it was because no one else was going for it, well, that just looks really bad. Also didn't like his talk about triggers - not (just) because it was a distraction, but more specifically what he said. He never explained why he thought the timing of my post during N0 made me town, which I don't get at all. I also don't like his reasoning that Yates and Pral not posting might have triggered them as being scumsters together. I doubt Kaylee would make it that easy to link two teammates together, and it read as his trying to justify voting a claimed mason.

 

 

as far as we know, she hasn't even checked her PM yet... hasn't posted yet.. so she wouldn't know what role she has.... 

 

how would that work with that theory?

 

Dawn was not the original player.

 

 

While I think this particular DM theory can be applied sometimes, I think it depends on the player - and MrsClov is not likely to sub out because she's scum and feels pressure to be more active than she wants to be as scum (which is essentially the reasoning behind that theory). 

 

 

Sorry, guys. "Nice Guy Yates" has left the building for the early part of this game - at least. Need to start getting in to character to defend the honor of DM. It's a big responsibility but my ego tells me it's something I will do with fantastic aplomb.

 

You are terrible and I kind of like you for it :P

 

so.... without explanation required (from all of you, would be nice):

 

Vig: ?

Cop: ?

 

this would help me quite some. 

 

I would Cop Eldrick or maybe Sili. Both players I have trouble reading. I haven't had enough experience with Eldrick yet (or that I remember) to say for sure, and I think the fact that I just modded a game he was scum in could be clouding the issue, but he strikes me as a player that I might just consistently read as scummy, whatever his alignment. I remember thinking that I would def thought him scum in my Arthurian game, but, well, I knew he was scum as the mod, so that's hard to say objectively. And Sili, I can never read. I have trouble following his jumps all over the place.

 

And, at this point, Vig the MrsClov/Dawn slot.

 

People should stop making me click spoilers.

 

Yeah.

[Alanna]

I've really got to get some work done this afternoon and I have a meeting this evening, but I will hopefully check in later tonight with more reads. Off the top of my head, though, so far I feel like I have a lot of townish reads and not many scummy reads.

[Sili Quirrels]

Verbal, where you at regards to leelou? You and her haven't interacted at all so far.