[Advanced] Arthurian Mafia

[Darthe]

I disagree that we're having semantic arguments.

How do you define it?

[Alanna]

Vote Count:

 

Clov (1) - AJ

Nyn (1) - Clov

Zashara (1) - Nyn

Sili (1) - Darthe

Darthe (3) - Verb, Leelou, Barm

 

Not Voting: MrsCov, Zashara, dice, Yates, Sili, Lily, Thane

 

 

DEADLINE is Monday, March 9th @ 6PM CST

 

[Sili Quirrels]

Give me town vibes or else darthe

[Sili Quirrels]

can you guys and girls slow down your posting habbits a bit, thanks? i feel like i'm already in catch-up mode here, after one bloody day. Admitted that my meds aren't helping and i tend to sleep all day, but still... wow....

 

So far, just one comment: why is Darthe so scummy to all of you D1?  He has quite some votes, but... yeah, don't get it...

feel free to respond to whatever as u go.

[Darthe]

Give me town vibes or else darthe

Well Im spooked now so idk how. :trolloc:

[Barmacral]

Post better about what? Leads come from interaction. Im interacting. Townies dont have the need to posture or play as carefully as mafia does (arguably WIFOM) and so Im skipping that part. Look at how much has come from it.

 

Three votes on you. I see you're doing this interaction thing really well.

[Darthe]

What are votes barm? Certainly they arent being spent wisely but without enough of them they dont much matter. Im certainly not new enough to be intimidated by a couple of them halfheartedly flung in my direction.

 

Id say that compared to the risk a lot is being gained. For instance, do you really have no better lead than that your remarks about me?

[Darthe]

Ok here now. I was reading a really good book and that takes precedence over life, eating, sleeping, mafia, all of life. (The Broken Eye by Brent Weeks for anyone who cares)

 

Thoughts so far:

 

- Zasha is pretty neutral to me so far, I see Nyn's arguments but I don't agree with them, probably because I know Zasha better than any of the rest of you and I know her life has been pretty crazy lately so everything she has said so far is consistent to me.

- Nyn and Verb seem pretty town to me.

- Sili is not coming across as scum to me and that is just mindblowing. I had every expectation of wanting to vote him within the first 5 pages even before the game started.

- Dislike Darthe's blatant skimming.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

[Verbal32]

can you guys and girls slow down your posting habbits a bit, thanks? i feel like i'm already in catch-up mode here, after one bloody day. Admitted that my meds aren't helping and i tend to sleep all day, but still... wow....

 

So far, just one comment: why is Darthe so scummy to all of you D1?  He has quite some votes, but... yeah, don't get it...

 

You've been around long enough to know this is now the standard on DM.  If Tom and/or Cory were playing in this game, the post count would be significantly higher.  As for Darthe, the reason is in the thread.  My suggestion is that you read it more carefully than you have; otherwise, you would not be asking that question.

 

 

 

 

What are votes barm? Certainly they arent being spent wisely but without enough of them they dont much matter. Im certainly not new enough to be intimidated by a couple of them halfheartedly flung in my direction.

 

Id say that compared to the risk a lot is being gained. For instance, do you really have no better lead than that your remarks about me?

 

I think you might be overestimating my character.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* from what movie?

[Clovdyx]

Just caught up. I'm going to go back and respond to things that actually matter, but I want to get this out of the way first:

 

Nyn, my logic - as ALWAYS - made perfect sense. Don't hate me cuz u ain't me.

[Darthe]

Verb I dunno.

 

Clov, they hate us cause they anus

[Nynaeve]

Just caught up. I'm going to go back and respond to things that actually matter, but I want to get this out of the way first:

 

Nyn, my logic - as ALWAYS - made perfect sense. Don't hate me cuz u ain't me.

 

lol  If you have to point it out.... it usually means something. 

[Barmacral]

What are votes barm? Certainly they arent being spent wisely but without enough of them they dont much matter. Im certainly not new enough to be intimidated by a couple of them halfheartedly flung in my direction.

 

Id say that compared to the risk a lot is being gained. For instance, do you really have no better lead than that your remarks about me?

 

There's not a lot of great options out there right now. Verb has made a weak case on Yates to which Yates hasn't responded to super well. I disagree with the Zasha one and most other players haven't said enough to go one way or another yet. Or they are Clov.

[Nynaeve]

 

* from what movie?

 

 

Google says Divergent. Should I watch the movie?

[Clovdyx]

Okay, Darthe looks awful from pages 13/14.  Obvious bandwagon is obvious, but what's worse than the action is the way he doubled down on it.  Then he basically trolled when pressured.

 

 

Jokes aside, you don't care about how you look and contrary to popular opinion, that isn't great.

Not to be contrary but it does matter to me, just not yet.  I'm not going to attempt to build early game repertoire here because I simply don't have interest in it yet.  I'm not in danger and don't have enough of a grasp on people at the moment to bite into much of anything but I do have the opportunity for other things atm.

 

 

That was too vague.  I can currently stick my neck out a bit precisely because I don't have repertoire.  People that bite are either annoyed or zealous.  Either way it helps establish patterns of behavior to compare later.

 

Good responses. +1

 

Both of these answers look like he's just typing words and hoping that people think he's too smart to pressure.  Sili also looks awful, because I don't understand how either of those can be considered good responses.  

 

I'm going to summarize as simply as possible:

I don't think I've ever played with Zasha. Not knowing the player at the epicenter of this brouhaha [note to self - "Brew Ha Ha" is a great name for a brew pub/comedy lounge!] makes comprehending the argument a little more challenging.

I *have* played with Nyn, though, on both sides of the ball. In reading Leelou's summary, I was struck by this statement:

I like that Nyn did some research into the last game Zashara played on DM, she seems to be posting naturally and is not having a problem getting involved in the discussion. Getting a good vibe from her.

Why do you like that, Leelou? I had the opposite reaction, personally. It felt like a potential frame up and isn't sitting right.

 

 

I don't agree with Yates' take here at all.  Personally, I don't care if Nyn read an old game or not.  I'm pretty sure it's not the first time she's gone back to look at something, it might not be the last.  It doesn't make me feel "good" about Nyn, necessarily, but it's certainly not a red flag.  I also don't get how it could be a frame up.

 

I saw Nyn had the same question.  Yates, did you miss that?  If so, please elaborate on how you think it would be a frame.

 

 

 

I'm going to chime in, here.  Nyn will post some solid ISOs as either alignment, but she'll put obvious research into them when she's town.  When she's scum, you could have written her ISO after a cursory review of the thread.  This is a strong indicator of Nyn being town.

 

 

 

I agree with the conclusion, but I don't support your reasoning.  I'm inclined to think Nyn is town because I think she's more proactive early on when she's town than when she's scum.  If she's trying to kick someone's teeth in and building a long, substantiated argument on D1 with a good display of conviction, she's probably town IMO.  More removed?  Not so much.

 

 

 

 

 

What background? I practically opened myself up to criticism and unsurprisingly people are talking about it.

You didn't do it on purpose, though. You'll say you did, but we both you it was an accident. Doesn't make you auto-scum, but you're certainly one of the best leads we've got.

You most likely slipped up when trying to bury a bandwagon vote that could push a lynch through on D1. Typical scum behavior, so explain to me how I'm wrong.

Even if you assume im not just trying to generate discussion its equally lilely (if not moreso) that I was lazy than scummy.

Ok, let's talk about that for a second. Who is more likely to be lazy in placing a vote or trying to get somebody lynched early on - town or scum?

The answer is scum. Scum doesn't care who is lynched - any townie will do. Town cares much more, because they don't want to mislynch - and every townie loves to nab scum on D1.

So your explanation does not help your point - it helps mine.

Fallacious argument. Without a good grasp of the thread I have little reason to suspect one individual over another meaning that my decision isnt based on who I might eventually decide I wamt to see dead.

 

 

Hate this post for several different reasons.  I'll back Verb 100% that scum is more likely to do a low effort lynch than town.  You point out it could be you being lazy, which is entirely possible - but it's still not helpful.  You've basically made this into nabbing scum or offing lazy town, who seems to be pretty content with arguing a bunch of garbage.

 

Second, what even are you saying here?  Your decision isn't based on who you might want dead.  So, you're voting somebody you don't necessarily want dead?  Yeah, yeah, reaction tests and all that but...I don't know man, that looks awful.

 

 

Didn't care for Darthe's posts either. He's skimming. I feel like he jumped on my wagon without paying much of attention and then when he called out on it he tried to weasel out of it. Pointing out Lily related quotes is completely unrelated and his entire response made zero sense to me. But not in the usual Darthe way. It reeks.

 

I'm fine with lynching either Zasha or Darthe today. Nether of them is sitting right with me.

What does Darthe usually look like?

 

I gave Darthe points because his tone and attitude seemed familiar. I subbed in for him in the NF game we played, and his posts were callous and trollish there too.

 

 

Darthe hardly ever makes sense, but uses worse logic as scum.

 

I have never played with Darthe as scum, so I can't speak on that.  I also haven't played with Darthe in quite some time, but in the games I have played with him, I never got the impression he was a massive troll OR completely out in left field - though many other players said he was.  His posts this game are not in the LEAST bit familiar to me.

 

 

 

 

Didn't care for Darthe's posts either. He's skimming. I feel like he jumped on my wagon without paying much of attention and then when he called out on it he tried to weasel out of it. Pointing out Lily related quotes is completely unrelated and his entire response made zero sense to me. But not in the usual Darthe way. It reeks.

 

I'm fine with lynching either Zasha or Darthe today. Nether of them is sitting right with me.

What does Darthe usually look like?

 

I gave Darthe points because his tone and attitude seemed familiar. I subbed in for him in the NF game we played, and his posts were callous and trollish there too.

 

 

Darthe never makes sense to me. I don't understand him as a player. I don't really care for his playing style really. He's prolly sniffing glue the entire time.

 

In this specific case, the way he defended himself seemed slimy. It looked more like him backtracking from a mistake than a reaction test or whatever he was trying to pass it off as. It was confusing but at the same time rang insincere. That's my opinion. He seems pretty okay with leaving the confusion hang in the air..... I don't feel like he made an effort to explain himself.

 

Uhuh. But it makes perfect sense from a Darthe perspective, and it doesn't seem like backtracking to me.

 

Darthe never votes you without a strategy. A wolf gets nothing out of bandwagoning you, without reading the thread, and acting like an idiot afterward.

 

So what other explanation is there for his behavior, other than he was being an idiot on purpose?

 

 

More backing Darthe for Sili for ????????!!?! reasons.  This is twice now that Sili has given Darthe credit for things that look awful.  Here, Sili is basically saying it's okay Darthe blatantly sheeped a wagon without really paying attention to the thread and then trolled it up to make an argument that fit his stance.  

 

What?

 

I also don't understand why him being an idiot on purpose is alignment indicative.  A wolf gets nothing out of it?  What does a townie get out of it, other than a bunch of unnecessary attention and escorted to the gallows?  

 

Give me town vibes or else darthe

 

And now he's apparently not feeling good about Darthe?

[Yates]

Google says Divergent. Should I watch the movie?

Are you an angsty tweener?

 

Verb has made a weak case on Yates to which Yates hasn't responded to super well.

LOL - he isn't casing me. We are having an argument. And, as always, boobs is at the center of it.

[Leelou]

Verb - Divergent

[Sili Quirrels]

Clov needs to read more carefully.

[Yates]

I saw Nyn had the same question.  Yates, did you miss that?  If so, please elaborate on how you think it would be a frame.

Have you read posts 339 and 340?

[Clovdyx]

I'd be great with a Sili or Darthe lynch right now.  I really like Nyn to be town, and I feel pretty good about AJ and MrsClov this game (the latter is, eh, okay as a person).  I think her speaking out against my discussion earlier is pretty good, and I like her early activity.  

 

Weaker town reads on Zashara, Yates, Leelou, and Verbal.  Zashara didn't sound fake and I still thought she interacted with me pretty well.  Yates I was feeling more strongly about yesterday, but I had to drop him after he tried to write Nyn's argument off as a frame job - I don't understand where that was coming from.  Leelou and Verbal just for pretty much viewing the game the same way I am, but I gave her the nod over him because I'm slightly concerned about him thinking Nyn reading an old game is highly town telling.

[Sili Quirrels]

Im null on darthe and waitingfor content that resolves his slot.

[Clovdyx]

 

I saw Nyn had the same question.  Yates, did you miss that?  If so, please elaborate on how you think it would be a frame.

Have you read posts 339 and 340?

 

 

Yes, but I don't understand how you feel that's setting her up.  Or maybe I'm just thinking something different than what you had intended by "frame up".

[Clovdyx]

Im null on darthe and waitingfor content that resolves his slot.

 

See, I don't get the impression from your words this game at all.

 

 

Uhuh. But it makes perfect sense from a Darthe perspective, and it doesn't seem like backtracking to me.

 

Darthe never votes you without a strategy. A wolf gets nothing out of bandwagoning you, without reading the thread, and acting like an idiot afterward.

 

So what other explanation is there for his behavior, other than he was being an idiot on purpose?

 

 

This makes it sound like you feel - or felt, at least - he was likely to be town.  The last sentence implies SOMETHING came from his actions, and the bold clearly states he wouldn't do that if he's scum.

[Yates]

Yes, but I don't understand how you feel that's setting her up.  Or maybe I'm just thinking something different than what you had intended by "frame up".

As I pointed out in that post - it felt like she was fabricating something out of a weak point. "Frame up" might not be the best choice of words. More like "trumped up."

[Clovdyx]

 

Yes, but I don't understand how you feel that's setting her up.  Or maybe I'm just thinking something different than what you had intended by "frame up".

As I pointed out in that post - it felt like she was fabricating something out of a weak point. "Frame up" might not be the best choice of words. More like "trumped up."

 

 

That makes more sense, and I sort of see where you're coming from now.  I read it and my mind went to frame/set-up.  I didn't think it could really be a set up when Nyn was very clearly pushing her as scum.