Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[The Crusher]

Kaylee, why did you hammer with so much time left? Not blaming you for his lynch, just wondering.

To get to night? 

 

 

Kaylee, why did you hammer with so much time left? Not blaming you for his lynch, just wondering.

Because he was in my scum pile and his last posts were scummy. I honestly thought he would flip scum.

 

 

Even with the self vote?  Maybe it's me because I play at mostly at JN.  But self voting is a very frustrated townie move. 

Yeah, pulling that kind of move makes me look stupid for trying to defend you.

 

Not really.  Still solid on you and red for town.

 

 

Kaylee, why did you hammer with so much time left? Not blaming you for his lynch, just wondering.

Because he was in my scum pile and his last posts were scummy. I honestly thought he would flip scum.

 

 

Scum never self vote like that.  Well, hardly ever.  And I would not attribute that kind of play to Thane.

 

^^ I agree with the dead guy. 

[Andrej]

Who do you think we should lynch today Crusher?

[Andrej]

gg Verbrah

[The Crusher]

Who do you think we should lynch today Crusher?

Not you

 

Not Red, but not quite as not as you.

 

I need to read up on Tina.  She is kinda getting a free pass.

 

Leelou could be a good lynch but we need to take our time,

 

At some point I confused Halia and Kaylee.  Need to look at them. 

 

I don;t think we need to rush to a lynch.  I have a few things i really need to look at and I think Tina owes us a write up she promised and didn't deliver.

[The Crusher]

Stupid cloudflare.

 

So he was town. Meh.

 

 

I need to go to bed now. Since I didn´t have much time before night I choose to check out Nol - Hallia. That´s the reason why I´m not fully caught up on everything from yesterday. I don´t work tomorrow so I will take a look at it then.

 

As I said, the reason that I wanted to take a look at Hallia - Nolder is that Hallia was one of my main suspects yesterday and everyone seemed to back off of her since Nolder voted her. This is what I found. (If I have missed anything in the Nolder - Sili back and forth feel free to add.)

 

#147 Nolder mentions Hallia in a list among others. Says she is scummy "hit and run".

Because  of this Hally then vote Nolder. 

#207 Nolder says that he doesn´t remember Hallia´s meta and asks her to explain. 

#404 Hallia is grey on Nolder´s list.

#831 Nolder list Hallia as mafia

#854 Nolder says Sili/Red/Hallia is the mafia team.

#891 Nolder votes Hallia after AJ´s reveal and agrees with me.

 

 

So yeh, I don´t see anything that clears Hallia here. She votes him d1 because of week omgus. He mention her without voting her until AJ´s reveal. 

 

Now, I need to compare this to my other mafia suspects to see who seems most suspicous. I will go to bed now and do that tomorrow.

 

Still waiting.

Status report: read up to page 63. So I´m almost there. Now the skiing begins and that goes before mafia. :)

 

I´ll post my notes later (probably when my daughter has gone to bed). I´ve collected the notes a little different than I use to. In short: I have listed all the suspicouns of Leelou, Kay and Crusher and then I´m going to compare them to the notes I had before on Hallia. 

Still still waiting.  I would like to hear from Tina.

[Leelou]

Willing to lynch Kaylee or Hallia. 

[Andrej]

I agree rushing a lynch wouldn't really be in our favor at this point. We can only be wrong one more time before we hit Lylo, so lynching appropriately today is big.

 

I think my top three are all Kaylee, Leelou and Hallia at this point.

 

I wouldn't mind hearing more from Tina though. I agree that she's been sort of getting a free pass since D1.

[Kaylee]

I agree rushing a lynch wouldn't really be in our favor at this point. We can only be wrong one more time before we hit Lylo, so lynching appropriately today is big.

 

I think my top three are all Kaylee, Leelou and Hallia at this point.

 

I wouldn't mind hearing more from Tina though. I agree that she's been sort of getting a free pass since D1.

And if you lynch me you'll be at Lylo. WTL Leelou or Hally.

[Leelou]

[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

Willing to switch to Hallia if you want, AJ, Red and Tina. 

[Red2111]

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

 

I agree rushing a lynch wouldn't really be in our favor at this point. We can only be wrong one more time before we hit Lylo, so lynching appropriately today is big.

I think my top three are all Kaylee, Leelou and Hallia at this point.

I wouldn't mind hearing more from Tina though. I agree that she's been sort of getting a free pass since D1.

 

^ this  no reason we cant have competing trains though.

[Andrej]

Competing trains are cool. L-2 is probably about as close as we want to get though, considering...

 

I'm willing to wait until we have everyone check in. Unless we see some serious input from Hallia today I may vote there. Her game is way off and her participation at this point is borderline criminal

[Cory Caboose]

D4.1 Vote Count

 

Kaylee (1): Leelou

Hallia (1): Red2111

 

Not Voting (5): Hallia, TinaHel, The Crusher, Kaylee, Andrej

 

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

 

[Niniel]

I´m here (my daughter is watching her favourite show). 

 

So I have already made my point clear about Hallia. She has been very scummy. She got a pass from some of you since Nolder voted her but when I took a look at their interaction I didn´t find that it should clear her. 

 

I tried to take notes on a different way this time. I have noted why people suspect Leelou, Kaylee and Crusher. I still have AJ and Red (and Verb) so I didn´t look into them that way. Mind you, this is of course not all of it. I tried to find different kind of suspisiouns. (And I haven´t added my own.)

 

 

Leelou

 

# 947 AJ points out that she and Nolder had eachother as town

#951 Red says that she stopped poking Verb (and Crush) after D1 = distancing

#1004 AJ says she has a poor voting pattern, general lack of thread presence, linked to confirmed scum, avoiding Verb and Crush (who would know her best)

#1007 Verb says she is focusing on small details instead of defending whole cases

(#10211 Leelou asks Verb to ask her questions and engage her)

#1020 Verb says that she only says he is wrong about her, not how he is wrong, she is not teaming up with her like expected

#1024 Verb says that she didn´t question Nolder and Nolder didn´t question her, except for small chat they didn´t interact, she is arguing semantics with Red, he didn´t like her reaction to his first preassure

(#1040 Leelou is pleading to Verb)

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#1055 AJ says that she doesn´t behave like she is wrongfully accused

#1086 AJ says that it doesn´t seems like she even considers Verb or Crush mafia = she knows they were right about her

#1095 Verb says she is bringing up Kaylee´s error a lot

#1096 Crusher says that she has never seen her admit to a bad game

#1102 Verb says that she usually defends herself by asking him to look into others

#1122 Red says Leelou AtE

#1262 Kaylee says that Leelou admits to having a bad game, while she accuse Kaylee to be mafia when she says the same thing

 

 

Kaylee 

 

#956 Red says that it´s wrong that Kaylee thinks she is town just because she is bulldogging. She is doing it for a reason.

#1103 Red reminds us that Nolder said that he would never choose Kay as mafia

#1189 Verb points out that her view on Thane went from "need to check" to null/scum when people started to suspect him, she is afraid to stick out

#1215 Red says she is going with the flow, echoes, joined Sili´s big game hunting talk, says she is a weak player, and is coming after Red

#1216 Someone said that she is always following (that has been the big case on Kaylee from a long time, by Leelou and others)

(#1246 Kay hammers early)

 

 

Crusher

 

#1042 Hally says he has a flimsy reason for voting her

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# 1056 Red says he is cheerleeding Verb on Leelou

# 1124 Leelou says she didn´t like his vote on her - it looked like he was going to go after Hallia first

# 1141 Verb says Crusher had a soft defence of Nolder, piggybacking Verbal, avoids read on Thane

#1147 AJ wonders if Crusher knows Nolder´s meta because of being mafia with him

# 1162 (?) says that he moved to smothly to Dice, and that Hallia went from tough to read to mafia

 

 

Analysis soon. 

[Niniel]

As you see above, there are a lot of different suspiciouns of Leelou. It´s not strange that there is a lot about her since she has been active. The thing is that there are so many different accusations. If you compare to Kay - the suspiciouns of her almost always has to do with just following and not adding anything original. (Add to that her early hammer.) Crusher has the least comments but he has least content of them as well, so less to comment on. He has not been in focus as much as Hallia, Kaylee or Leelou.

 

 

After this comparison I will vote Leelou or Hallia today. You already know why I have Hallia as a choice. I don´t suspect Leelou because of her mood, but because of a lot of points that people have pointed out. I thought she felt weird on D1 already when she asked Verbal to post more spiderman pics. She knows that one of his mafia tells is to spam a lot in the beginning of the game. But then I focused more on Nolder, Kaylee and Hallia. When I see all the points against her together I think she is a good chance of finding mafia.

 

 

I´m still suspicious of Kaylee and Crusher but less than of Leelou and Hallia. One of the reasons that I´m less suspicious of Kaylee is that AJ seems to be so sure about her being town. And Crusher is more like "floating around". I don´t know what to think about that. It has been a long time since I played on JN. Then I think I could judge him pretty good but I can´t here. It worries me that he hasn´t said a lot, but at least he is posting a lot more than Hallia. 

 

 

Daughter´s show ended so I´ll be back when I have put her to bed. :) Let me know if I should be more clear about anything. What do you think about this?

[Andrej]

Looks oretty good Tina, I can see where you're coming from.

 

One thing I would like to point out is that I could easily be wrong about Kaylee. The way she plays could be just a scummy townie or legit mafia who is just going with the flow. Me arguing on her behalf yesterday had a lot to do with my certainty that Leelou/Thane were mafia together but after the speed hammer I'm not so sure anymore. I will say that I don't think her and Leelou would be mafia together.

 

They could also both be potentially townies and the real scum are Hallia & Crusher or some other combo I haven't thought of yet. Either way, I don't think the lynch falls outside of Hallia/Kaylee/Leelou for today.

[Leelou]

So we are waiting on Hallia and Crusher to come back with his read between Hallia and Kaylee? 

[Red2111]

well there are a few things i want to point out.

 

Tina makes very valid points on Hallia as far as the town cred from the Nol vote.  to me, the only real town cred that Hallia gets is the lack of the ninja hammer, for the same points i made yesterday to Thane over it.

 

the lack of that hammer is double edged, either she's town and acted pro-town; or Leelou and her are scum together.  

 

in this case, her flip, not leelous would give the most info.

 

 

Verb flipping town solidifys many things for me.  first is, i'm glad i didn't tinfoil on him and leelou as a possible gambit.  but his points and push against leelou were legit, as was his little push against crush there at the end.  when Verb is town, he's a great asset; i'm going to ISO him tomorrow to see what info and see his reads with the knowledge of him being town.

 

his flipping town also looks worse for Leelou on the surface.  but in this event, recalling how events have unfolded, i think the fact that the scum targeted Verb actually clears her at this point.  Verb, at the end, started to back off Leelou, started to meld with her; and started to poke at Crusher iirc.

 

i'm also standing firm on what i said in regards to the Sili kill.   to me, this moves Leelou into null-town zone for me.

[The Crusher]

Do feel better about tina.  She makes pretty good sense of everything.  Still have best town feeling on AJ.  Red is about equal to Tina for me.

 

Agree with Andre Halia/Leelou/Kaylee

 

I want to go back and look at all three. Like i said earlier someplace I got Halia and Kaylee confused in my head.

 

So I went back to look at leelou first and she has had a a very off game for her.  Not what Im used to her as town at all.  She is one of the four people in the game I do have the best Meta for.  Thats being said I looked back when I voted her and noticed it was on a vibe of her being negative of I believe I said on EDGE.  I also iso'd her (yes, I owns that skill now *firepower*)  Noticed she is bringing up and talking a lot about skull clubbing her boss with a stapler.  I know it's RL stuff and maybe not the best thing to go on but like it or not real life effects us here.  Just the way it is.  She did have some sketchy dialogue with Verbal including edging him on to post spidey pics and somebody called that a scum tell for her.  Not sure I ever noticed that before. I do remember her cheering on Vic at JN for spidey pics but never noticed a relationship with alignment.  Make a long story short not thinking voting her today right now.  I have to look at the other two and get them straight in my head. 

 

  I get busy around 3:00 so I may not get to it right away. 

[The Crusher]

So we are waiting on Hallia and Crusher to come back with his read between Hallia and Kaylee? 

Haha. I did you first.  No time to do those two right now.  I messed them up in my head so I have to go look. 

[The Crusher]

well there are a few things i want to point out.

 

Tina makes very valid points on Hallia as far as the town cred from the Nol vote.  to me, the only real town cred that Hallia gets is the lack of the ninja hammer, for the same points i made yesterday to Thane over it.

 

the lack of that hammer is double edged, either she's town and acted pro-town; or Leelou and her are scum together.  

 

in this case, her flip, not leelous would give the most info.

 

 

Verb flipping town solidifys many things for me.  first is, i'm glad i didn't tinfoil on him and leelou as a possible gambit.  but his points and push against leelou were legit, as was his little push against crush there at the end.  when Verb is town, he's a great asset; i'm going to ISO him tomorrow to see what info and see his reads with the knowledge of him being town.

 

his flipping town also looks worse for Leelou on the surface.  but in this event, recalling how events have unfolded, i think the fact that the scum targeted Verb actually clears her at this point.  Verb, at the end, started to back off Leelou, started to meld with her; and started to poke at Crusher iirc.

 

i'm also standing firm on what i said in regards to the Sili kill.   to me, this moves Leelou into null-town zone for me.

Pretty much what I got when I looked back. 

[Niniel]

Looks oretty good Tina, I can see where you're coming from.

 

One thing I would like to point out is that I could easily be wrong about Kaylee. The way she plays could be just a scummy townie or legit mafia who is just going with the flow. Me arguing on her behalf yesterday had a lot to do with my certainty that Leelou/Thane were mafia together but after the speed hammer I'm not so sure anymore. I will say that I don't think her and Leelou would be mafia together.

 

They could also both be potentially townies and the real scum are Hallia & Crusher or some other combo I haven't thought of yet. Either way, I don't think the lynch falls outside of Hallia/Kaylee/Leelou for today.

 

Aha. I didn´t understand that that was your reasoning for protecting Kaylee. I thought you had some kind of meta read on her. 

 

well there are a few things i want to point out.

 

Tina makes very valid points on Hallia as far as the town cred from the Nol vote.  to me, the only real town cred that Hallia gets is the lack of the ninja hammer, for the same points i made yesterday to Thane over it.

 

the lack of that hammer is double edged, either she's town and acted pro-town; or Leelou and her are scum together.  

 

in this case, her flip, not leelous would give the most info.

 

 

Verb flipping town solidifys many things for me.  first is, i'm glad i didn't tinfoil on him and leelou as a possible gambit.  but his points and push against leelou were legit, as was his little push against crush there at the end.  when Verb is town, he's a great asset; i'm going to ISO him tomorrow to see what info and see his reads with the knowledge of him being town.

 

his flipping town also looks worse for Leelou on the surface.  but in this event, recalling how events have unfolded, i think the fact that the scum targeted Verb actually clears her at this point.  Verb, at the end, started to back off Leelou, started to meld with her; and started to poke at Crusher iirc.

 

i'm also standing firm on what i said in regards to the Sili kill.   to me, this moves Leelou into null-town zone for me.

 

Yes, I always get worried when Verbal is alive to long. :D

 

I don´t think his death tell us anything about Leelou. If you followed that thought it would actually make her look more suspicious since she would have killed her while he had a good read on her? But I don´t think we can draw any conclusion about that. I still don´t agree with your Sili - idea either. 

 

Do feel better about tina.  She makes pretty good sense of everything.  Still have best town feeling on AJ.  Red is about equal to Tina for me.

 

Agree with Andre Halia/Leelou/Kaylee

 

I want to go back and look at all three. Like i said earlier someplace I got Halia and Kaylee confused in my head.

 

So I went back to look at leelou first and she has had a a very off game for her.  Not what Im used to her as town at all.  She is one of the four people in the game I do have the best Meta for.  Thats being said I looked back when I voted her and noticed it was on a vibe of her being negative of I believe I said on EDGE.  I also iso'd her (yes, I owns that skill now *firepower*)  Noticed she is bringing up and talking a lot about skull clubbing her boss with a stapler.  I know it's RL stuff and maybe not the best thing to go on but like it or not real life effects us here.  Just the way it is.  She did have some sketchy dialogue with Verbal including edging him on to post spidey pics and somebody called that a scum tell for her.  Not sure I ever noticed that before. I do remember her cheering on Vic at JN for spidey pics but never noticed a relationship with alignment.  Make a long story short not thinking voting her today right now.  I have to look at the other two and get them straight in my head. 

 

  I get busy around 3:00 so I may not get to it right away. 

 

So now you want to clear Leelou because of rl stuff? Is that what this means? 

[Niniel]

* would have killed him

[The Crusher]

 

Looks oretty good Tina, I can see where you're coming from.

 

One thing I would like to point out is that I could easily be wrong about Kaylee. The way she plays could be just a scummy townie or legit mafia who is just going with the flow. Me arguing on her behalf yesterday had a lot to do with my certainty that Leelou/Thane were mafia together but after the speed hammer I'm not so sure anymore. I will say that I don't think her and Leelou would be mafia together.

 

They could also both be potentially townies and the real scum are Hallia & Crusher or some other combo I haven't thought of yet. Either way, I don't think the lynch falls outside of Hallia/Kaylee/Leelou for today.

 

Aha. I didn´t understand that that was your reasoning for protecting Kaylee. I thought you had some kind of meta read on her. 

 

well there are a few things i want to point out.

 

Tina makes very valid points on Hallia as far as the town cred from the Nol vote.  to me, the only real town cred that Hallia gets is the lack of the ninja hammer, for the same points i made yesterday to Thane over it.

 

the lack of that hammer is double edged, either she's town and acted pro-town; or Leelou and her are scum together.  

 

in this case, her flip, not leelous would give the most info.

 

 

Verb flipping town solidifys many things for me.  first is, i'm glad i didn't tinfoil on him and leelou as a possible gambit.  but his points and push against leelou were legit, as was his little push against crush there at the end.  when Verb is town, he's a great asset; i'm going to ISO him tomorrow to see what info and see his reads with the knowledge of him being town.

 

his flipping town also looks worse for Leelou on the surface.  but in this event, recalling how events have unfolded, i think the fact that the scum targeted Verb actually clears her at this point.  Verb, at the end, started to back off Leelou, started to meld with her; and started to poke at Crusher iirc.

 

i'm also standing firm on what i said in regards to the Sili kill.   to me, this moves Leelou into null-town zone for me.

 

Yes, I always get worried when Verbal is alive to long. :D

 

I don´t think his death tell us anything about Leelou. If you followed that thought it would actually make her look more suspicious since she would have killed her while he had a good read on her? But I don´t think we can draw any conclusion about that. I still don´t agree with your Sili - idea either. 

 

Do feel better about tina.  She makes pretty good sense of everything.  Still have best town feeling on AJ.  Red is about equal to Tina for me.

 

Agree with Andre Halia/Leelou/Kaylee

 

I want to go back and look at all three. Like i said earlier someplace I got Halia and Kaylee confused in my head.

 

So I went back to look at leelou first and she has had a a very off game for her.  Not what Im used to her as town at all.  She is one of the four people in the game I do have the best Meta for.  Thats being said I looked back when I voted her and noticed it was on a vibe of her being negative of I believe I said on EDGE.  I also iso'd her (yes, I owns that skill now *firepower*)  Noticed she is bringing up and talking a lot about skull clubbing her boss with a stapler.  I know it's RL stuff and maybe not the best thing to go on but like it or not real life effects us here.  Just the way it is.  She did have some sketchy dialogue with Verbal including edging him on to post spidey pics and somebody called that a scum tell for her.  Not sure I ever noticed that before. I do remember her cheering on Vic at JN for spidey pics but never noticed a relationship with alignment.  Make a long story short not thinking voting her today right now.  I have to look at the other two and get them straight in my head. 

 

  I get busy around 3:00 so I may not get to it right away. 

 

So now you want to clear Leelou because of rl stuff? Is that what this means? 

 

 

Simply sharing my observations.  I'm like really good at it so just sit back and relax.  Not everyone uses silly repetitive regurgitated statistical analysis.  Im more of an artist who uses his gut feelings as his medium for creating my observations. 

[Red2111]

well crusher, care to paint us your stances and reads on Hallia and Kay since you seem to be in such a sharing mood?

[Leelou]

 

 

So we are waiting on Hallia and Crusher to come back with his read between Hallia and Kaylee?

Haha. I did you first. No time to do those two right now. I messed them up in my head so I have to go look.

Hallia has like 10 posts, shouldn't be too hard to ISO her.

 

I like Spidey pics, they make me laugh. Plus, I like my boy in a bit of a jokey mood.