Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Thane Vakarian]

sorry Nyn, i'm a bit on edge... and perhaps a bit overreacting. i'll try to keep it down. 

 

[Andrej]

had a rough night, not enough coffee, but i'll try for some of my random thoughts:

 

Went to search the thread for posts, and was quite surprised to see the number of posts AJ made. I didn't have the impression that he posted so much... I have to admit that it worries me some that he flies under my radar like that.

 

more coming soon, when things quiet down at work a bit.  

 

Not really sure what to say to that. I feel like the majority of my posts have been pretty high in content to go along with being one of the post leaders. Maybe it's more so that you've been busy and while you were gone most of my posts were made. Did you actually look at my posts or were you commenting on the fact that I had a bunch and you don't remember them? You've been more or less out of the game since yesterday morning iirc.

 

Crusher, you have like zero content right now, aside from agreeing with some stuff AJ said about the picking discussion. And making some amusing jokes. I'd like to hear about your reads too.

 

Gonna piggyback Nyn some more D1 and +1 this post

 

 

Dice is firmly in the scumlean pile for me. That vote and invite came off as a distraction attempt.

 

Also the Dice/Sili stuff feels forced. I don't like it, it doesn't come off as townie or legit to me.

 

@ AJ - why do your responses to the bold have a different background? U cut and pasting from a QT?

 

Yeah, this pings, too.  Basically, this is a potshot that has no grounding in actual scumhunting.

 

Basically, who the hell even does that?!  AJ is not a noob - he's not going to have anybody writing posts for him.  Actually, I'd say there is nobody in this game that should fall into that category of needing their posts pre-written like that by a  teammate.  Just bringing this up is shady.

 

I agree that it's extremely unreliable at best, but sadly it's not the first time I've seen DMers use this kind of excuse to FOS people. And no - there's no way I'm getting coached from a QT or would even have to craft posts in a QT before bringing them over... but this angle seemed so 'Red' to me, if that makes sense, which is why I didn't really jump all over it and instead laughed it off.

[Nynaeve]

sorry Nyn, i'm a bit on edge... and perhaps a bit overreacting. i'll try to keep it down. 

 

 

No worries. I hope things get better for you soon 

[Andrej]

 

Fwiw I think Thane is probably a townie and him being the leader wagon on D1 is pretty lame.

 

What specifically makes you think that?

 

Mostly gut, if I'm honest. I think some of the pressure he's gotten is a bit forced and premature. Getting hammered for reads on like pg3 from Sili, then Red turning around and jumping down his throat, etc.

 

Some people just roll more slowly than others into games, I'm cool with that. From my experience with him he's always picked it up D2 and beyond as a townie and I'd be willing to give him more time to get into the game.

[Nynaeve]

I agree that it's extremely unreliable at best, but sadly it's not the first time I've seen DMers use this kind of excuse to FOS people. And no - there's no way I'm getting coached from a QT or would even have to craft posts in a QT before bringing them over... but this angle seemed so 'Red' to me, if that makes sense, which is why I didn't really jump all over it and instead laughed it off.

 

I'm pretty sure I once pointed out a post in a mafia game where the background was different...musing if it's a paste from a QT..... so I'm not one to talk lol

[Nynaeve]

Mostly gut, if I'm honest. I think some of the pressure he's gotten is a bit forced and premature. Getting hammered for reads on like pg3 from Sili, then Red turning around and jumping down his throat, etc.

 

Some people just roll more slowly than others into games, I'm cool with that. From my experience with him he's always picked it up D2 and beyond as a townie and I'd be willing to give him more time to get into the game.

 

*nods*

[Andrej]

Like I said... not the first time

[Andrej]

[unvote]

 

I liked Hallia's content earlier and I'm glad she at least put some thoughts out there. Gonna expect you to keep up though, girl! Quiet Hallia makes me nervous.

 

I'm kind of interested in the Leelou/Red thing for now. @Nyn/Verb - Any impressions?

[Thane Vakarian]

ofcourse, we can to into tie-break:

 

[v]Red[/v]

 

She's on my suspect list, and it'd be nice to see if i'm rigt about her. 

[The Crusher]

 

Questions Kaylee for her reads, kaylee replies here (will come back to that). Doesn't follow up on the questioning.. the answer was enough, or the question just for show? Doesn't like Nolder this game, as seen here. Asks Crusher for reads. Don't remember seeing any elaborate reads from her though. 

 

Yes, Kaylee did reply. I didn't have anything to say about her reply. It was not indicative to me so I had nothing to say. I have offered my reads on players plenty. I might not have done a neat little list, but I have spoken my mind. Crusher has NO posts where he actually expresses any sentiment about liking or disliking people's posts. Nada. So it was a valid request. Still is.

 

Suddenly I feel like Smashmouth.  LOL

 

Im trying yummy bunny.  Im on the East coast.  What time would my deadline be?

[Thane Vakarian]

it's in roughly 8 hours from now, i think. 

[Nynaeve]

I'm kind of interested in the Leelou/Red thing for now. @Nyn/Verb - Any impressions?

 

I'm personally more interested in Nolder, Kaylee and Tina (I'll try to reread them tonight). And I'm also waiting to see what Crusher brings to the table (prolly bacon)

 

 

Leelou is a really hard read for me. She keeps taking me for a ride in games. But putting that aside I don't recall seeing anything that made me nervous about her. The only thing that kinda bugged me was her read on Nolder. Kind of a mix between not really agreeing with her and the impression being based on like one post. But her reply seemed fine overall. I am however concerned that Verbal is getting bad vibes from her. I do feel a lot more confident in him and if he keeps getting scum feels from her along the way, I might have to revisit this.

 

Red I have to reread too. But her voting dice and asking AJ about the different background.... she's capable of doing that as town. So I don't think it's as damning as some of the rest seem to think. But I'm gonna look over her read list later and comment further.

[Thane Vakarian]

@ The Crusher: There's a countdown timer on the bottom of the second post .

[Nynaeve]

Suddenly I feel like Smashmouth.  LOL

 

 

Im trying yummy bunny.  Im on the East coast.  What time would my deadline be?

 

 

8 hours. <3

[Cory Caboose]

D1.8 Vote Count

 

Thane Vakarian (2): Red2111 (#129), Nolder (#147)

Red2111 (2): Leelou (#226), Thane Vakarian (#259)

Andrej (1): TinaHel (#150)

Nolder (1): Hallia (#195)

 

Unvote (4): dicetosser1 (#180), Nynaeve (#209), Kaylee (#223), Andrej (#258)

Not Voting (3): Sili Quirrels, The Crusher, Verbal32

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
 

[Kaylee]

1. Verb: Town. He's making good points and coming across as town to me.

 

2. Sili: Null to scum. I have a hard time reading him. His frustration seems genuine. His read posts had Hally and Crush at > 75% town when they have little to no content at the time. I had unvoted because of his response and frustration seeming real. after looking at him and ISO I have him as more null to possible scum.

 

3. Thane: Null. His frieds list is mostly a summary. He then list tops come reads but I didn't see a reason for them.

 

4. Hally: Null. Sounding better with her catch up posts, but waiting to hear more from her. Not sure how I feel about her vote on Nolder yet.

 

5. Nolder: Null town. I was getting a town read on him. I don't understand his comment on Verbal saying he's the top of his game and yet he's going to keep his eye on him. As Nyn pointed out some of his reads were unclear. Need him to clarify.

 

6. Tina: Town. Town feel to her posts. She latched onto something that stood out to her, making read list and speaking her mind.

 

7. Crusher: Null. No real content to go off of.

 

8. Nyn: Town. Still getting town vibes. The way she's actively pointing things out she seems to be genuinely scum hunting.

 

9. Leelou: Unsure. I thought her reads list looks pretty good, but watching her interactions with Verbal. I tend to get a better read on her when she's interacting with him. His suspicions of her makes me want to wait to read her.

 

 

10. AJ: Town. Still getting town vibes. I like his interactions with Tina, the way he was asking her questions.

 

11. Dice: Null to scum. He's active yet not saying much. His joke vote felt awkward. Not so much the vote but his insisting it was a joke. I don't know how to describe it but it didn't feel natural.

 

12. Red: Scum lean. First the QT comment. That has been disproved. If you copy a quote, as he claims to have done, or if you copy from your notes then it shows the formatting. I've seen mislynches as a result. Secondly in your original thoughts you had Tina, Dice and Crusher were your top candidates. Roughly 2 hours later your reads list had Tina as null to town saying she wasn't scummy. You also listed Dice and Crusher as Null for not enough content. Why the change? You then vote Thane, which is fine as he was in your scum pile. Then post #194 you say Dice is firmly in your scum pile. You gave twins it seemed like you believe yet you didn't switch your vote. To me that pinged because half your reasons for voting Thane was for pressure yet Dice seems to be "firmly" in your scum pile. If that's true why not switch your vote to your stronger scum read?

 

[v]Red[/v]

[Red2111]

Kay's vote is ringing as opportunistic scum.

 

 

 

Dice is firmly in the scumlean pile for me. That vote and invite came off as a distraction attempt.

Also the Dice/Sili stuff feels forced. I don't like it, it doesn't come off as townie or legit to me.

@ AJ - why do your responses to the bold have a different background? U cut and pasting from a QT?
 

 

Yeah, this pings, too.  Basically, this is a potshot that has no grounding in actual scumhunting.

 

Basically, who the hell even does that?!  AJ is not a noob - he's not going to have anybody writing posts for him.  Actually, I'd say there is nobody in this game that should fall into that category of needing their posts pre-written like that by a  teammate.  Just bringing this up is shady.

 

 

Verb lawkclear as well this game.

 

 

Verb <3 - Verb's posts have been decent. I liked his exchange with Tina, but the Spidey could use some work. Hon, what do you think of Nolder? Also, don't ignore me. 

Sili  - Got people to start talking, but generally null with a sprinkling of both town and scum. I don't like the fact that he tried to say he wouldn't be picked and his reads list isn't very captivating. I find it easier to read Sili when he's starting to get pressure and see how he reacts. To answer your question - I was back at work after being off for a week and had a project dumped in my lap that was due by COB. 

Thane - Thane is Thane. Only really interacting with Sili. Need to see more here, actual commentary on the game. Null, Null, Null 

Hallia - Made a few posts, didn't really say a lot. Has Nyn and AJ as townies. Seems to feel strongly enough that Nol's comment was odd and voted him. The vote has a slight omgus feel to it, slight scum to null. 

Nol - Nothing wrong with his posts before 3:41 pm EST yesterday. I don't really agree with his reads on Hallia (she tends to disappear, no offence) and Crusher. Crusher isn't really adding anything of value to the game besides his lovable self. 

Tina - I don't really like how easily she's clearing Sili, but I do like that she is asking lots of questions and has a thread presence. She seems to be trying to figure out the game, but I will have to watch her posts going forward. For the moment, slight town lean. 

Crushlove - I know Boo Boo isn't here, I miss him dearly, but I'm need more from you. What are your thoughts on some of the players? You know a few of us enough. 

Nyn - Nyn's posts are solid, nothing seems out of place. I'll be looking as the game goes on to see if she is more guarded with her words, but she's in my town pile. Plus, busty. 

Kaylee - Answered Sili right off the bat. Seems to be coming up with town reads, but not really much for scum reads. Meh, I'll see how I feel after she catches up. 

AJ - Seems to be interacting well with who questions him, no squirming. 

dice - Not a lot to go on here, got defensive about saying he gave reads in his first post. His reads were meh, not really much of anything to them. Starting to focus on me, me, me and not picking up anything and running with it. Getting a slight scum feel. 

Red - going after people for the wrong things, really not liking the small things she is pushing over. Looks like she is trying to find anything to fling around and make stick. Null to scum lean. 

 

[v]Red[/v]

 

tl;dr version.  you have no real reads on anyone but Red, who you find scum and will find a way to vote D1.  *nods* 

 

 

 

So, here it is. Trying to get things here that stick out to me for each player. I can miss things.. still human.. my apologies. 

 

1. Verbal32: Comes in page 4, sorta nullifies the discussion of the previous 3 pages. Seems he thinks the discussion about the ongoing topic is irrelevant. Is it? Asks who didn't check in yet, but doesn't acknowledge the reply to it, nor mentions it again. post 80 for me feels like a soft defense of dice. Little FoS in post 90 directed at Tina. Convo between him and Crusher about BooBoo.. which is null to me. Ongoing, i find it odd that, even when he said 'start over' in his opening post, he's still going on about the first couple of pages.. Post 155, finally, SPIDEY! And, finally, a FoS at Kaylee after she reacted on Nyn's iso of Sili, followed by a suspicious look at Red.

2. Sili Quirrels:starts the first discussion of the game, and basically takes a lot of heat for it afterwards up to the point where he genuinly gets annoyed and angry. That's my impression. I do agree with his post #24, with which Nyn and Kaylee disagree. Posting on a phone does change your style some. Tends to be shorter post than usual, imo. Mentions he doesn't like my first post, too sure-footed. Red votes me for the opposite reason..... i do want to believe he's town here... but i can't be sure (yet). Seems to want to solve the game. Annoying skittle post...  

4. Hallia: comes in on page 6, asking if we can't agree we're all strong players. Dunno what to make of  that... looking to end conflict/discussion about the ongoing topic? Agrees with Verb next post, then is absent. Votes Nolder, over something i don't think a big deal. If you want people to read you better, post more content. 

5. Nolder: Like Red, votes me. Ok, no problem, i understand. But yeah, not many posts to work with, actually. Comes in and participates in Sili's famous discussion early game. Explains his playstyle in post 146, and in post 147 votes. Little FoS at Tina... but, imo, nothing wrong with being cautious early game. Defends his suspicion of Hallia post 204

6. TinaHel: here goes: this post seems like a lot of words to say: Sili seems town, but i'm not sure. Seems to be focused on SIli early game. Why him? Some more Sili posts, then asks AJ about 'clearing Kaylee', which earns her a FoS by AJ later on. Agrees with Nyn that Nolder is odd. Continues convo with AJ about Kaylee.Ends up voting AJ, adding a reads list. 

7. The Crusher: some joking with verbal, which is null. Other than that, left no particular impression on me. Null at best for the moment.

8. Nynaeve: page one, something stands out... Sili saw it too... opening post said it was D1, and she still assumed it was N0. Seems unlikely mistake for her... less posts than i'd have expected from her by now. Agrees with Verbals take on the early game discussion, which is in line with her thoughts page 1. Questions Leelou about her liking Nolder, which is absolutely legit imo. Nyn easily accepts that Leelou 'will be back later for indepth thoughts' though... , so yeah... seems off. Questions Kaylee for her reads, kaylee replies here (will come back to that). Doesn't follow up on the questioning.. the answer was enough, or the question just for show? Doesn't like Nolder this game, as seen here. Asks Crusher for reads. Don't remember seeing any elaborate reads from her though. 

9. Leelou: Likes Nolders posting here, but, based om what? Admitted she just skimmed through the thread, so it seems very odd that it looks good for her. 

10. Kaylee: Jumps into the discussion with Sili from page one on. Works the same way i do, not trusting anybody untill cleared for her.  So, here, explains why she likes Nyn, verb and AJ. But, if Verb is in townrange for her, and says Nyn could be either alignment, shouldn't she be more wary of Nyn? Continues "Sili's chat" with AJ. Says Tina is town. Later, follows Nyn in her vote on Sili. What i lack from her are elaborate reads, her own casing. Seems more likely to follow than to scumhunt.   

11. Andrej: how'd he get so many posts? seems to be agreeing to a lot of people in general. Asks around, goes into conversations, but i lack the fulltownAJ for the moment. As i said before, most of his posts flew right under my radar. Either i naturally don't suspect him (which would be dangerous) or he deliberately posts so he doesn't stand out much.... 

12. dicetosser1: Still an ongoing struggle with Sili. Feels like town vs town to me for now. Other then the discussion with Sili, not much to go on. based on that, townish pile for now though.

13. Red2111: not a LOT of posts... we'll see where we'll get to. Votes me to get talking. Well, i'm working on it. Doing this entire thing at work, is not easy. In my defense: i could just slack it off and be done with it, but i'm still trying to play the game. Hopefully you'll see that soon. Said here who your top candidates were.20 posts later, none of those are in your pool of suspects... not a lot of posts between  first suspects and second suspects... makes me wary. Misunderstanding between her and Sili over the go-getter.... or overly defensive? Last post looks a bit better, but yeah... not convinced of town, at all.

 

 

less commentary on the game and more actual thoughts please.

 

 

based on all of that, my main scum suspects, in no particular order: Red, AJ, Kaylee, Leelou.

 

why?  i get your "baseball style catch up" running commentary of what everyone's done in the thread up above.   but in short concise sentences, why specifically those people?

 

 

 

 

You were ignoring me by not mentioning me anywhere. 

 

I'm not scum, nor am I FoSing you. 

 

What do you think of Nolder? You didn't answer the question. 

 

You had not yet participated in the game.  Same reason I didn't mention Hallia or Crusher.

 

I didn't say you were FoS'ing me - I said you're planting a seed for a future case.  You've done it before - and I have as well to you when I've been scum and you town.  Just sayin'.

 

Re: Nolder - I'm currently leaning town on him.  As scum I don't believe he would have mentioned the "lulz vote" - too risky to get attention.  That's a small detail, true, but he currently isn't on my list to keep an eye on.

 

 

Okay. What about his reads on Hallia and Crusher? 

 

Also, more Spidey please? 

 

 

giant FoS to Leelou.  moving you to scumlean with Dice on this.

 

i dislike you trying to get Verb into spidey mode.  feels like your trying to get town verb to stop scum hunting.

 

i love spidey pics, and this thread does need more spidey, but we can have those at night imo.

 

 

Fwiw I think Thane is probably a townie and him being the leader wagon on D1 is pretty lame.

 

i'm still unsure about him.  he still doesnt have any real content other than a post that is akin to the "last time on Shameless, this is what you missed:" catch up.

 

 

 

 

 

Dice is firmly in the scumlean pile for me. That vote and invite came off as a distraction attempt.

Also the Dice/Sili stuff feels forced. I don't like it, it doesn't come off as townie or legit to me.

@ AJ - why do your responses to the bold have a different background? U cut and pasting from a QT?

 

Yeah, this pings, too.  Basically, this is a potshot that has no grounding in actual scumhunting.

 

Basically, who the hell even does that?!  AJ is not a noob - he's not going to have anybody writing posts for him.  Actually, I'd say there is nobody in this game that should fall into that category of needing their posts pre-written like that by a  teammate.  Just bringing this up is shady.

 

I agree that it's extremely unreliable at best, but sadly it's not the first time I've seen DMers use this kind of excuse to FOS people. And no - there's no way I'm getting coached from a QT or would even have to craft posts in a QT before bringing them over... but this angle seemed so 'Red' to me, if that makes sense, which is why I didn't really jump all over it and instead laughed it off.

 

 

 

AJ is now nearing lawkclear territory

 

underlined - which is why i didn't respond to you laughing it off.  i liked the response from you i got over that little bait and wanted to see how others would react to it.  Verb's reaction to it is enough for me to be satisfied, i like it when i can get a solid feel for him on D1 cause he's always tricky for me to read.

 

not sure what to make from majority of the thread ignoring it though, would have preferred more people commenting *sigh*   Key's latching onto it looks opportunistic as hell though

[The Crusher]

 

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

Blue bolded is something I agree with and was pointing out earlier with the angle-shooting/narrative line.

 

I didn't see that.

 

Yes, it is coming across as intended then. I like being ironic.

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

 

This post stinks so much it makes me feel like nobody would ever do this as scum.  Actually caught silli as scum first day last game we just played together.  Posted nonsense to just sound busy or doing something.  This is a crappy yet seemingly well thought out day 1 discussion. Ok on Silli from here.  We will see what happens as I read more.  

[Andrej]

 

I'm kind of interested in the Leelou/Red thing for now. @Nyn/Verb - Any impressions?

 

I'm personally more interested in Nolder, Kaylee and Tina (I'll try to reread them tonight). And I'm also waiting to see what Crusher brings to the table (prolly bacon)

 

Leelou is a really hard read for me. She keeps taking me for a ride in games. But putting that aside I don't recall seeing anything that made me nervous about her. The only thing that kinda bugged me was her read on Nolder. Kind of a mix between not really agreeing with her and the impression being based on like one post. But her reply seemed fine overall. I am however concerned that Verbal is getting bad vibes from her. I do feel a lot more confident in him and if he keeps getting scum feels from her along the way, I might have to revisit this.

 

Red I have to reread too. But her voting dice and asking AJ about the different background.... she's capable of doing that as town. So I don't think it's as damning as some of the rest seem to think. But I'm gonna look over her read list later and comment further.

 

Kaylee is a hard read for me, personally. She does a lot of things that come across to me as shady, but I don't think I could describe the difference between her town and scum range. We don't have a ton of experience together and from what we do I remember I was suspicious of her a lot when she was a townie.

 

Tina I'm unsure of. Some people are apparently town reading her but I wasn't a fan of how she went about questioning me on Kaylee, it felt to me that she was trying to set up something with how she asked. "So you're not worried about Kaylee anymore?" - IDK, felt weird.

 

I think Nolder would be able to fool me for a bit if he were scum. For him it's going to more about voting patterns I think than actual rhetoric. We don't have a ton of experience playing together but I know that he can come across as reasonable and level-headed as either alignment.

 

I'm pretty much in the middle between Red/Leelou. What you say about Red I agree with irt the things she points out. I think a big part of why she was barking at Thane was what I perceive as a misunderstanding when he said none of the votes were serious (which at the time, they weren't) but to me it looked like she took that a different way as if to say that Thane thought votes were never serious or something. That said I do kind of feel like her chew toys are LHF when you look at her collective pushes through D1. Dice/Thane/Sili in no particular order. Leelou I'm just wary of in general, doubly so when players that I'm town who have lots of experience with her are also wary of her. I guess we'll see - she's another that I think it would take more than D1 to really catch.

[The Crusher]

 

 

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

Blue bolded is something I agree with and was pointing out earlier with the angle-shooting/narrative line.

 

I didn't see that.

 

Yes, it is coming across as intended then. I like being ironic.

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

 

I sincerely hope you'd know by now if you were mafia or not.

 

I actually know for a fact Hess played three days of mafia without looking at his PM.  One of this best games.  LOL

[Nynaeve]

AJ is giving me good feelz again.

[Red2111]

[unvote]

 

[v]Kay[/v]

 

Thane is being active now, unvoting him with the anticipation of actually reading his thoughts and cases on his suspects rather than a catch-up summary post.

 

can't ignore Kay's opportunistic vote, though i could switch to Leelou

 

 

 

New List

 

LawkClear

 

Verb

Nyn

 

Almost LawkClear

 

AJ

 

Null to Town

 

Nol

 

Null

 

Crusher

Hallia

Tina

 

Null to Scum

 

Sili

Thane

 

Scum Lean

Leelou

Dice

Kay

 

Almost LawkScum

[Andrej]

AJ is giving me good feelz again.

 

All the gud feelz

[Kaylee]

Red: my vote on you wasn't about the QT thing. I read back through and made comments on everyone. It's more about that you had Dice as a firm scum read yet kept your vote on Thane. Seems off to me.

[Andrej]

Hmmm... not sure what to think from all the recent posts.

 

Red is coming across like a townie, imo.

 

Kaylee's vote is pretty much a perfect example of what I was just talking about though. Reads extremely bad but I'm afraid lynching her is almost a crap shoot for me because I really don't know how to tell apart her ranges.