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[Yates]

Phone sucks

Yeah. I don't even bother.

[Darthe]

Yates what are your thoughts on Kiv, Wombat, Deslami and Barm?

[Yates]

Yates what are your thoughts on Kiv, Wombat, Deslami and Barm?

I just told Kiv my thoughts on him - he's hard to follow. Never played with him before. He looks rusty - like Rags was in that VS game - and using old school mafia logic. Probably going to make him hard to read as not-scum.

I can't tell if Wombat was being overzealous Town or Scum feeling the mood of the thread with that early push. So he's a null with an asterisk.

I forgot Deslami was a hydra. I find myself agreeing with a lot of Csarmi posts - which means I either figured out how to read him or his logic is sound. Des is Des. Give me until tomorrow on this slot.

Barm hasn't done anything outside of his Town range. I don't have a ton of experience with him but I actually got his logic most of the time in the 2 or so games we played together. He also seems to have decent instincts as the game progresses if Town so I'd like to keep him around. Plus I just realized he's hydra with Verb as I was making my "not willing to lynch" list. So this should be an interesting slot to read.

 

My Day 1 not willing to lynch list looks something like:

Dice [N0 - inno]

AJ

Verb/Barm

Desalami

Thane

Leelou

Barm

 

My let the NA's sort them out list is:

Wombat

Arsis

Hally

Krak

Nyn

Sili

Rags

 

Cass, Kivim, and Stelio are all new to me. It's been a LONG time since I played with DPR. So I may be looking for help on these guys.

 

And with that - I'm going to bed.

[Andrej]

So glad to have my computer back finally.

[Yates]

Oh. And Darthe is always scum lynch on Day 3.  

[Darthe]

I don't see myself anywhere on that list but Barm is on twice.

[Darthe]

So glad to have my computer back finally.

Pron collection safe?

[Andrej]

I'm more a live stream kinda guy.

 

But no, had to wipe my hard drive so I need to download/reinstall some programs. Nothing serious though.

 

I'll dig in more once I've showered and settled in for the night but I do want to say that I think thus far we're doing okay with the pace of the game. ~20 pages each RL day is definitely manageable

[Hallia]

Greetings all!

 

In preparation for Rashi's visit I've been scarce >.<

 

Catching up now, and should be good to contribute until she gets here Wed.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

[Andrej]

Child please.

[hazelkrs1]

Just skimmed over last few posts- surprised to see Nyn is lead wagon, albeit with a small number of votes. She seemed to be dropping some townie vibes early on. Also agree that Kivam is a bit hard to follow with the way he quotes- Kivam can you maybe at least put some line breaks in between what you're quoting and what you're saying? Will tapatalk let you do that?

 

Aight lemme catch up on errthing else

[hazelkrs1]

 

Verb I've been scum with you before when you said "lol ill just bury the thread in spidey memes, town is all over the place anyways so won't notice" or something along those lines

 

Good answer.  Townie posts to offset the scum points your hydra earned. 

 

Not a fan of how you phrased this Verb. Makes it look like you can go back to "scumreading" my slot after some Salami posts that you can twist as bad or scummy or something.

 

 

I saw it. Looked wolfy. Like you were trying to lay some bait out and see if others followed.

 

Def not much to back up a wolf connection between us so far (I also have the advantage of KNOWING were not scum together) so it seemed meh and lazy

It was a reaction test, yes. But the lack of reaction at first, and now you telling me it's wolfy... dunno. It's something i will keep in mind

 

Not a fan of you trying to take soft stances with this kind of issue Thane

 

I'm trying to figure out who the scum is in this game Verbal. Maybe i have odd methods, but at least i'm trying. 

 

Fwiw, THIS looks like more of a town!Thane reaction to early pressure. Which is unlike his response to Barm:

 

that makes as much sense as your vote on me. Voting me for just spamming this earmy D1 is nonsense. Some people haven't even posted yet. 

 

What did you contribute so far?

 

 

Much more confrontational in this post. Could be that he tried correcting himself tho after I pointed out the meta thing, or could be that there's a diff connection between him and Verb/Barm

 

 

Anyone have any lean on Wombat btw?

Slight town lean for mindmeld and making sense.

 

 

Wasn't really looking for this from you, at least not ITT

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

Why are we talking about this? I'm not going to base my read on Thane on what he rolled in recent games and the fact that he got mislynched. Either we need to learn to read him better or he needs to adjust his play to be more readable. Or both. So lets put previous games aside cause they have no bearing on what he rolled this game.

 

I'm basically gonna try and understand where you're coming from, Thane, and make my own conclusions. But yeah, drop the previous games commentary. 

 

Really, REALLY like this post from Nyn. Very protown concept she's pushing, and also an assertiveness that is more likely to come from town!Nyn than scum!Nyn imo

 

Sure Nyn, i'll just say this about it: Last game i was in i hardly ever mentioned my previous games, was very active as town and still got CFD'd into a mislynch D1.... Say what you want, but i truely do not expect to live past D1. 

 

Now, back to this game: Arsis makes sense. Some people in here don't know my reputation/curse/uncanny string of events i randomly draw.

 

i need a beer.... but i'm at work, so can't have any.... darnit

 

Lol. Thane - "Sure Nyn I'll stop talking about it, but let me first talk about it some more"

 

 

'Sup

 

Checking in from work; I see that early day 1's here are much like other places -- lots of sound and fury signifying nothing.  Those are not exactly my specialty.

 

Only thing that's comment-worthy so far is that I think Barmacral and Darthe are making a mountain out of, well, not even a molehill, more like maybe a grain of sand, regarding Leelou's "that post is role-neutral for me" post.  I don't know if such a post is actually role-neutral for Leelou, but saying it out loud is almost certainly is (if anything it's slightly villagery for Leelou because it shows a level of critical thinking about how other people are perceiving him/her). 

 

I have no idea what that means for Barmacral and Darthe, because I don't know how likely they are to latch onto pretty random stuff in the early hours of day 1 (and I think it's early enough in the game that even having tendencies to push/not push in that way early on is basically meaningless anyway).

 

A number of things I highly respect with this OP, hope this dude ends up being town.

 

1. Drops a relevant and timely Macbeth quote, a man already after my literary fanboi heart

2. Even tho he's new here, he doesn't drop in a "Well I'll have to get to know everyone here first lol!" type OP, he instantly starts giving his observations

3. Said observations seemed pretty keen to me

4. Somehow got a gif to work for his siggy /jelly

 

 

I just don't understand why it was brought up. The fact that he got mislynched a lot isn't meta. No one is referring to anything he usually does as town/scum. It's just being said that people often misread him.... so what? Am I supposed to try to read him and then choose the opposite alignment? No. I'm gonna do my best to read him based on his content and hope that his actions reflect his alignment. And if he keeps playing in a way that comes off as sketchy... then he's gonna continue being mislynched. But that's neither here nor there.

The fact that he's an easy day 1 mislynch isn't relevant? That maybe some scum would pressure him because they know he'll look bad? How isn't that relevant?

 

Really don't like the angle Arsis is pursuing here. He's misconstruing Nyn's words to try and make her look bad imo, for a post that I felt to be incredibly protown.

 

I think Nyn was quite clear in that past mislynches shouldn't really excuse scummy play in THIS game, and that's an absurdly valid point. If it looks like scum might be trying to push LHF (Low Hanging Fruit for those not with the new lingo), that's really a whole separate issue. Feels like you're raising strawmans to either look busy or to try and get a townie lynched

 

An easy target gets pushed seriously on page 2 and that makes me question the push. Why he's an easy push is 100% relevant day 1. It's less relevant as the game goes on. I'm not advocating giving him a pass.

 

I don't think Thane was being "pushed seriously" at all, in fact I think that's just dumbfounding to say. He was mentioned a bit, but he was also one of the few that was posting at the time.

 

The amount you are WKing Thane here has me SERIOUSLY starting to suspect you Arsis.

 

so, the way i see it, this is what's happening: i feel flattered about all the attention, but it also worries me. Wolves could easily support me here, and when i flip town, gain towncred for doing so.

 

I am certainly NOT asking for a pass; let me try to play the game with you and see where we get. If you deem me scummy, then i failed, easy.  

 

Nyn, i understand your concern. I probably would mention it too if another player would 'go for meta'. Just let me try to get you to know me, or, as i said earlier, allow me to give you insight

 

Some awkward phrasing here, but this DOES look more like a town!Thane post.

[Arsis]

I think it was a fairly serious push for how early it was. You liked her posts. I didn't.

[Andrej]

Sup dudes

[Andrej]

 

His case on you wasn't super strong, about as strong as any day 1 case, but it wasn't horrible either. I'm finding your rather out of proportion response to be much more telling.

 

I don't think it was really a scum tell. I haven't gone through one game where someone hasn't voted somebody in the first few hours of gameplay. Sure, if they keep it there and don't try at all to scum hunt, there's certainly a case for lynching them, but the game has just started.

 

I think you're mischaracterizing a bit here.

 

1) I made it pretty clear I wasn't voting you for the Thane 'joke'. I felt the way you did vote him under the guise of a joke was bad because of the pretense it carried. It was playful in manner but the intent behind it bothered me.

 

Sili voting Thane as a D1 lynch as if it's a foregone conclusion rubs me the wrong way even if it was a "joke"

 

2) You mentioned something before this about how if your vote remained on Thane I might have a case. I think you downplayed this point yourself by moving your vote shortly after I stated that it could've been an attempt to bury it on your part.

[hazelkrs1]

game starts and i wake up to 15 pages.....yep this game has something to do with tommy.

 

 

 

 

##voteCass    Welcome to Mafia!!

 

Gonna go ahead and join the "I HATE OP'S LIKE THIS" club. Complaining about 15 pages when that's actually not unreasonable AT ALL for recent games is pretty blech imo.

 

 Salami and Verb both are meh currently but Des and Barm look good despite both being eh on me IMO.  I wouldn't try to link anything yet.  

 

I saw it. Looked wolfy. Like you were trying to lay some bait out and see if others followed.

 

Def not much to back up a wolf connection between us so far (I also have the advantage of KNOWING were not scum together) so it seemed meh and lazy

 

I'm town, Thane so your connection makes no sense to me. Furthermore, i couldn't even see what on earth made you say that. So what sort of reaction did you expect?

 

Des looks so genuine this round that it's heightening my concern of Salami.  Look at how out of shape he got over this.  Also, you two gave vastly different responses to the same accusation to the same person.  Both were equally self centered but beyond that...  DES how can you place your POV on someone and try to push them for not knowing what you know about your alignment?  Salami why the overreaction?

 

Really don't like the angle that Darthe is pushing here- that his reads on hydras are muddled because of the different behavior of each hydra head. He has enough experience with hydras to know how they work and how having multiple people to get a read on actually gives you an ADVANTAGE in resolving that slot. Instead it looks like him trying to lay foundation for waffling on either of us multiple times.

 

And to respond to his query to me: Uh, I wasn't? I was saying that I DO have the advantage of knowing my alignment, and that he doesn't, but that from an outside POV I don't think there was enough evidence there to connect Verb and I as scumbros. Savvy?

 

Okay, this is good.

 

Now, how do we go about confirming you're scum? The simplest way is to lynch or night kill, but these have negative repercussions in the off chance you're town.

 

Ewwww @ this post. Overexplanation

 

Aj - still has no idea how to read me.

 

@ this since he was fos'ing AJ just prior to this, yet here treats AJ as town that can't read him.

 

Again,

 

 

 

Aj - still has no idea how to read me.

Not a real defense

 

I'll bring one when I have something to respond to.

 

But seriously, I haven't settled yet. You would think after seeing my day 1 gameplay 3 times you would know I'm fooling around.

 

 

 

meh ##AJ. I can't decide if his unreasonable attitude is paranoia or sizing up potential lynch bait.

 

These two posts (which were right next to eachother) are incongruent imo. First one seems light hearted and non confrontational, followed by a kneejerk OMGUS vote? Doesn't look natural to me

 

 

How am I being unreasonable Sili?

 

I think the way you voted Thane under the guise of him being a D1 lynch in the last few games is an easy way to bury your vote in a non aggressive way. Statements like "can't avoid the inevitable" aren't good.

Oh, you mean I'm not allowed to joke around in the first few pages of the thread without coming across as scum? Nevermind my meta of consistently doing just that, but even in a vacuum you're being unreasonable. People fool around at the start of day 1. People are still fooling around.

 

And to speak honestly, I don't  want to lynch thane yet. I was making a depressing commentary on how the last two games have gone, and in poking fun, reminding people that thane is lynched for so-so reasons, and he has recently flipped town in both instances I've played with him.

 

 

Also hate this post. Overdefensiveness in first line, then brings up his own meta in self-defense. Last paragraph doesn't excuse the fact that AJ could be right, and that Sili was trying to bury an early "joke" vote at the start.

[Andrej]

Not a ton to really add after reading through again tbh.

 

I feel okay with Verb so far but I keep forgetting his is hydra'd with Barm and some of his posts bugged me a bit. I didn't really like how he was nudging Sili somewhat in a one of his posts. Here:

 

Soo... anyone else weirded out by the erratic and overly defensive plays being made by Sili?

 

I agree with what Yates said irt Kivam being difficult to read because of how he quotes stuff and also looking a bit rusty. I sort of had an LOL moment when I saw him vote Sili for talking about Darthe getting NK'd but I have no idea if that means anything about Kivam so to speak. I saw Darthe's comment about how he may just be stuck back in what DMafia used to be so it could just be that. Still weird and not a conclusion I'm used to seeing regularly, which tends to sketch me out.

 

Despot seems okay thus far and I thought Csarmi's vote on Krak was pretty well placed at the time. I got a few pings on reread from Krak for some of the stuff he was pointing out/commenting on.

[Andrej]

lol my grammar is terrible. I guess I need to get used to not having autocorrect saving me anymore

[Thane Vakarian]

got my coffee and reading... morning peeps

[Andrej]

So a little birdie told me it's the Marine Corps bday today?  Happy bday AJ!

 

Forgot to respond to this earlier

 

Thanks

 

239 years old and still kicking! Yut

[Andrej]

Morning Thane

[Nynaeve]

Morning Thane. And you're welcome AJ

[hazelkrs1]

I think it was a fairly serious push for how early it was. You liked her posts. I didn't.

 

No, it really wasn't (a serious push)

 

There was one MAYBE two "joke" votes on him, and a couple of people talking about him. There was definitely no "serious push" to lynch Thane on page 2. You're completely mischaracterizing the situation to justify your White Knighting of Thane imo.