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That has got to be about the most depressing EoD/NK ever. AJ, sorry I had you wrong. Rags, I was rushing and it was a stupid choice of words. Nyn, good shooting.

 

I'm going to bed, will deal with this flip adjustment over the weekend as best I can.

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Technically it is good for us. Most likely, SK and scum targeted the same person saving one kill and the even night vig dead means probably one less mis-kill. More time to lynch the scum.

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  On 11/21/2014 at 3:07 PM, Pralaya said:

Technically it is good for us. Most likely, SK and scum targeted the same person saving one kill and the even night vig dead means probably one less mis-kill. More time to lynch the scum.

What is this I don't even?

 

The even night vig dying (which is at worst a named townie) is somehow good for us?

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  On 11/21/2014 at 3:13 PM, csarmi said:

 

  On 11/21/2014 at 3:07 PM, Pralaya said:

Technically it is good for us. Most likely, SK and scum targeted the same person saving one kill and the even night vig dead means probably one less mis-kill. More time to lynch the scum.

What is this I don't even?

 

The even night vig dying (which is at worst a named townie) is somehow good for us?

 

We are 1-1-6 today.

Even if we mislynch, we will be 1-1-3 the coming day, in the worst case.

 

If the targets were different and vig was living, worst case scenario would have been 1-1-1 the coming day. So, considering the worst case scenarios, the position we are now is slightly better.

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  On 11/21/2014 at 2:42 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Tress... when did Rags become less town than dice, and was dice ever town for you?

 

I assume the question is prompted by this?

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:24 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/19/2014 at 5:29 PM, csarmi said:

I... You look kind of wolfy to me.

 

*Blushes*

 

Also what did you mean yesterday?

 

And do you have an analysis?

 

And how do you feel about Thane?

 

What did I mean by...?  

 

Analysis:  Without going back and fully re-reading, the people I feel most likely to be the last mafia would be potentially Thane, Nyn or Cass.  Top townies are Hally, AJ, Dice.   Pral I give townie points for unvoting me when he did after analyzing Yates' posts - I don't expect him to back off of me if he's scum for a reason like that.  I could be way off base, but it's a slight town lean nonetheless.  Rags and DesLami are question marks/mixed for me ATM.

 

Re: Thane, I can't decide whether Hally's point that Yates and Krak both tried to defend him D1 means he is more likely to be a teammate, or it was a group effort at white knighting.  If the intent was to look better in the event of a D1 mislynch, I can see Nyn's careful neutrality as possibly being a counter position to the other two more overtly defending.   Or I could be completely off on both of them.   I've done a crapload of skimming and my thread recall is terrible at the moment. :tongue:

 

 

I was reading Rags as town by virtue of mindmeld early on, then his participation dropped off a bit and people started calling him out for inactivity, which put him back as a question mark for me.  As the train on him grew and I started thinking harder yesterday I realized there was no way the last mafia would duck out and let himself get run up like that, so by EOD I was convinced he couldn't be mafia.

 

As far as Dice goes, it takes me a while to find my read on him traditionally, I have to give him some time to see how lurk-tastic he's going to be, and what he chooses to post when he's involved.  I've pegged him pretty accurately in the last few games we played together, including the Avengers game where he thought he wasn't lurking :wink: ... so early reads/thoughts I didn't have him placed yet.  He's been active enough to keep him on my radar and looked good enough for me to peg him as town on the fly the other night.

 

I just now went back and did a quick ISO to see his content, and I think I may have been too quick to put him in the top town list.  The reads list including all the dead town and mafia on it just kinda made me shake my head - that's not something I've ever seen from Town!Dice before and it has me curious.   Still, I'm not so sure I'm ready to declare him a top suspect at the moment either.

 

We have until Monday, and with a smaller player list left I can probably go back through and re-read at least ISOs to firm some thoughts up.  Gonna ask all of you a favor and keep prodding me with specific questions that I'll try my best to answer.  If I can't force myself to do a lot of detailed reading and thinking on my own, I can at least attempt to clarify my fuzzy thought process.

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I dislike seeing the I was wrong about Nymbecause that essentially makes the rest of this game a crapshoot between those left who we can't reliably gain information from. The only good news in this entire situation he is that this might extend the game a bit because there were only two deaths in the night.

 

what I would most like to see you today is a very active very vocal shootout between the remaining non cleared players, by which I mean everyone save Halley and deslami.

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  On 11/21/2014 at 4:52 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/21/2014 at 2:42 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Tress... when did Rags become less town than dice, and was dice ever town for you?

 

I assume the question is prompted by this?

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:24 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/19/2014 at 5:29 PM, csarmi said:

I... You look kind of wolfy to me.

 

*Blushes*

 

Also what did you mean yesterday?

 

And do you have an analysis?

 

And how do you feel about Thane?

 

What did I mean by...?  

 

Analysis:  Without going back and fully re-reading, the people I feel most likely to be the last mafia would be potentially Thane, Nyn or Cass.  Top townies are Hally, AJ, Dice.   Pral I give townie points for unvoting me when he did after analyzing Yates' posts - I don't expect him to back off of me if he's scum for a reason like that.  I could be way off base, but it's a slight town lean nonetheless.  Rags and DesLami are question marks/mixed for me ATM.

 

Re: Thane, I can't decide whether Hally's point that Yates and Krak both tried to defend him D1 means he is more likely to be a teammate, or it was a group effort at white knighting.  If the intent was to look better in the event of a D1 mislynch, I can see Nyn's careful neutrality as possibly being a counter position to the other two more overtly defending.   Or I could be completely off on both of them.   I've done a crapload of skimming and my thread recall is terrible at the moment. :tongue:

 

 

I was reading Rags as town by virtue of mindmeld early on, then his participation dropped off a bit and people started calling him out for inactivity, which put him back as a question mark for me.  As the train on him grew and I started thinking harder yesterday I realized there was no way the last mafia would duck out and let himself get run up like that, so by EOD I was convinced he couldn't be mafia.

 

As far as Dice goes, it takes me a while to find my read on him traditionally, I have to give him some time to see how lurk-tastic he's going to be, and what he chooses to post when he's involved.  I've pegged him pretty accurately in the last few games we played together, including the Avengers game where he thought he wasn't lurking :wink: ... so early reads/thoughts I didn't have him placed yet.  He's been active enough to keep him on my radar and looked good enough for me to peg him as town on the fly the other night.

 

I just now went back and did a quick ISO to see his content, and I think I may have been too quick to put him in the top town list.  The reads list including all the dead town and mafia on it just kinda made me shake my head - that's not something I've ever seen from Town!Dice before and it has me curious.   Still, I'm not so sure I'm ready to declare him a top suspect at the moment either.

 

We have until Monday, and with a smaller player list left I can probably go back through and re-read at least ISOs to firm some thoughts up.  Gonna ask all of you a favor and keep prodding me with specific questions that I'll try my best to answer.  If I can't force myself to do a lot of detailed reading and thinking on my own, I can at least attempt to clarify my fuzzy thought process.

 

 

that things darthe asked for? i threw it together quick to shut him up so its probably not my best work

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  On 11/21/2014 at 8:31 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 11/21/2014 at 4:52 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/21/2014 at 2:42 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Tress... when did Rags become less town than dice, and was dice ever town for you?

 

I assume the question is prompted by this?

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:24 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/19/2014 at 5:29 PM, csarmi said:

I... You look kind of wolfy to me.

 

*Blushes*

 

Also what did you mean yesterday?

 

And do you have an analysis?

 

And how do you feel about Thane?

 

What did I mean by...?  

 

Analysis:  Without going back and fully re-reading, the people I feel most likely to be the last mafia would be potentially Thane, Nyn or Cass.  Top townies are Hally, AJ, Dice.   Pral I give townie points for unvoting me when he did after analyzing Yates' posts - I don't expect him to back off of me if he's scum for a reason like that.  I could be way off base, but it's a slight town lean nonetheless.  Rags and DesLami are question marks/mixed for me ATM.

 

Re: Thane, I can't decide whether Hally's point that Yates and Krak both tried to defend him D1 means he is more likely to be a teammate, or it was a group effort at white knighting.  If the intent was to look better in the event of a D1 mislynch, I can see Nyn's careful neutrality as possibly being a counter position to the other two more overtly defending.   Or I could be completely off on both of them.   I've done a crapload of skimming and my thread recall is terrible at the moment. :tongue:

 

 

I was reading Rags as town by virtue of mindmeld early on, then his participation dropped off a bit and people started calling him out for inactivity, which put him back as a question mark for me.  As the train on him grew and I started thinking harder yesterday I realized there was no way the last mafia would duck out and let himself get run up like that, so by EOD I was convinced he couldn't be mafia.

 

As far as Dice goes, it takes me a while to find my read on him traditionally, I have to give him some time to see how lurk-tastic he's going to be, and what he chooses to post when he's involved.  I've pegged him pretty accurately in the last few games we played together, including the Avengers game where he thought he wasn't lurking :wink: ... so early reads/thoughts I didn't have him placed yet.  He's been active enough to keep him on my radar and looked good enough for me to peg him as town on the fly the other night.

 

I just now went back and did a quick ISO to see his content, and I think I may have been too quick to put him in the top town list.  The reads list including all the dead town and mafia on it just kinda made me shake my head - that's not something I've ever seen from Town!Dice before and it has me curious.   Still, I'm not so sure I'm ready to declare him a top suspect at the moment either.

 

We have until Monday, and with a smaller player list left I can probably go back through and re-read at least ISOs to firm some thoughts up.  Gonna ask all of you a favor and keep prodding me with specific questions that I'll try my best to answer.  If I can't force myself to do a lot of detailed reading and thinking on my own, I can at least attempt to clarify my fuzzy thought process.

 

 

that things darthe asked for? i threw it together quick to shut him up so its probably not my best work

 

This is how you assassinate WIM.  I'm not going to let it get to me but post game Dice we are going to talk about this.  

 

@Des Salami shot without you?  

 

  On 11/21/2014 at 3:34 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 11/21/2014 at 3:13 PM, csarmi said:

 

  On 11/21/2014 at 3:07 PM, Pralaya said:

Technically it is good for us. Most likely, SK and scum targeted the same person saving one kill and the even night vig dead means probably one less mis-kill. More time to lynch the scum.

What is this I don't even?

 

The even night vig dying (which is at worst a named townie) is somehow good for us?

 

We are 1-1-6 today.

Even if we mislynch, we will be 1-1-3 the coming day, in the worst case.

 

If the targets were different and vig was living, worst case scenario would have been 1-1-1 the coming day. So, considering the worst case scenarios, the position we are now is slightly better.

 

This post looks unnatural as all hell from laya.  Not only is it far more astute than he has been showing all game but it displays an aptitude for mechanics that he was hitherto not known to have.  

 

[v] ##Laya [/v]

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  On 11/21/2014 at 11:33 PM, Despothera said:

Told y'all Nyn was LOCK CLEAR

:dry:

TYH Csarmi. Trust your hydra.

Certain hydras don't bother posting in QT.

TYH is my new acronym.

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  On 11/21/2014 at 8:31 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 11/21/2014 at 4:52 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/21/2014 at 2:42 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Tress... when did Rags become less town than dice, and was dice ever town for you?

 

I assume the question is prompted by this?

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:24 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/19/2014 at 5:29 PM, csarmi said:

I... You look kind of wolfy to me.

 

*Blushes*

 

Also what did you mean yesterday?

 

And do you have an analysis?

 

And how do you feel about Thane?

 

What did I mean by...?  

 

Analysis:  Without going back and fully re-reading, the people I feel most likely to be the last mafia would be potentially Thane, Nyn or Cass.  Top townies are Hally, AJ, Dice.   Pral I give townie points for unvoting me when he did after analyzing Yates' posts - I don't expect him to back off of me if he's scum for a reason like that.  I could be way off base, but it's a slight town lean nonetheless.  Rags and DesLami are question marks/mixed for me ATM.

 

Re: Thane, I can't decide whether Hally's point that Yates and Krak both tried to defend him D1 means he is more likely to be a teammate, or it was a group effort at white knighting.  If the intent was to look better in the event of a D1 mislynch, I can see Nyn's careful neutrality as possibly being a counter position to the other two more overtly defending.   Or I could be completely off on both of them.   I've done a crapload of skimming and my thread recall is terrible at the moment. :tongue:

 

 

I was reading Rags as town by virtue of mindmeld early on, then his participation dropped off a bit and people started calling him out for inactivity, which put him back as a question mark for me.  As the train on him grew and I started thinking harder yesterday I realized there was no way the last mafia would duck out and let himself get run up like that, so by EOD I was convinced he couldn't be mafia.

 

As far as Dice goes, it takes me a while to find my read on him traditionally, I have to give him some time to see how lurk-tastic he's going to be, and what he chooses to post when he's involved.  I've pegged him pretty accurately in the last few games we played together, including the Avengers game where he thought he wasn't lurking :wink: ... so early reads/thoughts I didn't have him placed yet.  He's been active enough to keep him on my radar and looked good enough for me to peg him as town on the fly the other night.

 

I just now went back and did a quick ISO to see his content, and I think I may have been too quick to put him in the top town list.  The reads list including all the dead town and mafia on it just kinda made me shake my head - that's not something I've ever seen from Town!Dice before and it has me curious.   Still, I'm not so sure I'm ready to declare him a top suspect at the moment either.

 

We have until Monday, and with a smaller player list left I can probably go back through and re-read at least ISOs to firm some thoughts up.  Gonna ask all of you a favor and keep prodding me with specific questions that I'll try my best to answer.  If I can't force myself to do a lot of detailed reading and thinking on my own, I can at least attempt to clarify my fuzzy thought process.

 

 

that things darthe asked for? i threw it together quick to shut him up so its probably not my best work

 

 

no we wont.  you dont like honesty? then you better hope people dont ask me questions. thats how i felt at the time deal with it.

Posted

Ooookay, let's do this then.

 

If you don't want to put enough effort into a mafia game to read through and play it then in the future do everyone who does enjoy putting time into them the favor of not signing up.  "Throwing together something to shut someone up" isn't just lazy or bullshanks but a pitifully ironic nod to your own sense of apathy towards this game which you've managed to scrape by in on the merit of mafias maligned effort in actually seer clearing you.  That you're still around to have an opinion is the mistake of a vigilante sometime in the past few nights since you've done little to earn it and less to contribute in a meaningful manner so before you condescend to throw out some list that's as much a waste of your breath as it is my time how about you take a moment to think it through so that someone who is trying to solve this game can actually take a step forward instead of you holding them back?

 

Oh, and I don't give a rats arse about your opinion of me in a game where you've put more effort into being pissed at me for calling you on your now admittedly poor performance than you have in your play.  

Posted

I feel like I end up blessing someone out in every other game.  

 

@Salami, care to answer the question I asked Des or vice versa if you get on earlier?

 

@Hally/Laya you two not posting makes this situation shooting in the dark.  Plz do better by 300-400% today.

 

@Tress/Thane Sup?  Suspects?

Posted
  On 11/22/2014 at 6:43 AM, Darthe said:

Ooookay, let's do this then.

 

If you don't want to put enough effort into a mafia game to read through and play it then in the future do everyone who does enjoy putting time into them the favor of not signing up.  "Throwing together something to shut someone up" isn't just lazy or bullshanks but a pitifully ironic nod to your own sense of apathy towards this game which you've managed to scrape by in on the merit of mafias maligned effort in actually seer clearing you.  That you're still around to have an opinion is the mistake of a vigilante sometime in the past few nights since you've done little to earn it and less to contribute in a meaningful manner so before you condescend to throw out some list that's as much a waste of your breath as it is my time how about you take a moment to think it through so that someone who is trying to solve this game can actually take a step forward instead of you holding them back?

 

Oh, and I don't give a rats arse about your opinion of me in a game where you've put more effort into being pissed at me for calling you on your now admittedly poor performance than you have in your play.  

 

blue would be why im pissed at you   i have read EVERY SINGLE page of this game. I spent the first few days waking up to 20 or more page catch ups and STILL read everything. I dont appreciate being called a liar about something like that.

 

i tried doing something different this game, sitting back and watching a bit more but it hasnt worked out the way i wanted it to. have i struggled this game? yep. am i town?? yep. am i trying? yes i am. 

 

and if you end up fighting with someone every game perhaps you need to look at what you are saying to people before you say it. because you even see ureself as the common denominator. and thats not meant in an emo way tho it probably comes off that way

Posted
  On 11/22/2014 at 5:41 AM, csarmi said:

 

  On 11/21/2014 at 11:33 PM, Despothera said:

Told y'all Nyn was LOCK CLEAR

:dry:

TYH Csarmi. Trust your hydra.

Certain hydras don't bother posting in QT.

TYH is my new acronym.

Certain hydras like slanking it too much when the new wow xpac just dropped and Spurs season is underway

 

Anyways, reading the last 6-7 pages right now to get back into this. So far my reads have been pretty top tier besides DPR, who I don't even know what he was doing.

 

In other words y'all should just play "follow Des" from here on out

Posted

Darthe - yes. Team works best when there is absolute trust. I trust Despo to vote or do any actions whenever he wants to and I believe he trusts me to do the same.

Posted

*hands out chill pills*

 

Happy Weekend Everybody!

 

C'mon team, we have some super wily wilves to catch...

 

Darthe, any reasons besides that last post and early inactivity for voting Pral? I'm not sure I got why that post was so out of character for this point in the game (I thought his last couple of posts showed similar insight?)

Posted

*hands out chill pills*

 

Happy Weekend Everybody!

 

C'mon team, we have some super wily wilves to catch...

 

Darthe, any reasons besides that last post and early inactivity for voting Pral? I'm not sure I got why that post was so out of character for this point in the game (I thought his last couple of posts showed similar insight?)

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