[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[Songstress]

Tress, you gonna be around a while longer now?

 

I was hoping to finish tonight but I'm fading fast.  I've been short on sleep the last couple of nights and we're in mandatory overtime at work so I have to get up early.

 

I can post what I've got so far but it's in no way complete and I usually prefer to think things over as a whole and try to see the overall picture before I subject other people to my idiocy.  Analysis works better when you've got all the data, and whatnot.

[csarmi]

Go to sleep :-)

 

If you have any quick thoughts on those four I'd be interested tho.

[Songstress]

Dice.

Pralaya.

TG.

AJ.

 

How do you feel about them?

 

Also Slender/manbat.

 

Of course you pick 4 of the bottom 5 on the player list when I start at the top.

 

Dice I'm getting a provisional town feel from - he's not hardcore lurking and is making arguments that have some reasoning to back it up.  I'm fairly good at reading Dice most of the time so I think I'll know pretty soon if he's not.

 

Pral has all of 1 post, and he hadn't finished reading the game at that point.  I think I need to see what he says after he catches up (which he promised to do tomorrow - today for most of you) to have any clue about him.  

 

TG I think the claim is very plausible, the flavor makes sense and he claimed exactly when he should have under the circumstances.  If he's lying, he's got tremendous guts to draw that much attention right out of the gate.  I haven't done his ISO yet but as of right now I'm leaning toward believing him.

 

AJ I am leaning town on.  He came in with a bit of bravado but made some solid points and I found myself agreeing with several of them.  Not sure I'm qualified to gut read him accurately - certainly not as good at reading him as I am some others... but I'm still thinking probably town.

 

Slender I haven't ISO'd yet and I don't remember a darn thing he's posted.  The new migrants all blend in to me right now.  Tommy will be a better judge of him than I am, but I will have to see tomorrow night when I have time to read through his posts.

 

Manbat I did ISO, and he's struck me as being a bit waffly.  He's doing a lot of agreeing with people, and hopping around (first he wanted to lynch Hallia or Arsis, then Krak, Dice or TSB, then Krak or Arsis) and his read of SickPuppets looking "villagery in a vacuum" kinda disturbs me a bit.  Probably the phrase "in a vacuum" - it's like it shouldn't be taken in context or something.  I've never played with him so I defer to Tommy's assessment of his play for now.  As of several hours ago he was leaning slightly town on Manbat.  

[csarmi]

Thanks. That helps a lot more than you'd think.

 

Now go have your sleep - I'm sure the thread will happy to read you tomorrow.

 

[TheSlenderMan]

We are not Lynching TSB because that's a Wasted, Lazy D1 and we are not Lynching Tommy because lolseriouslywhat'sthematterwithyoupeople.

[Tommyrod]

Mouth breathers.

[Tommyrod]

Anyway, scum in the top posters would be: TurIthi or Yates.

 

Scum in the bottom would be Pral or SickPuppets.

 

Real American POE is gonna be difficult until we get replacements or people start contributing more.

[csarmi]

• Despo - Hallia likes him and so do I. Some reasons have been posted I believe. I agree with sharpness, I like the way he WoT's (I may elaborate on this if need be, trust me on this for now.
• TomStress - This is mostly Hally's read on Tom (I'm actually conflicted on Tom) and my soulread on Tress added together.
• Darthe - My soulread (Hally didn't comment yet). Clear posts, relevant comments, good tone. He might adjust tone to VS guys... And he might be less troll cause of them - but that's not a bad look.
• Turin/Ithi - Hally believes Despo vs TI is town on town. She's very good at this sort of judgement. Moreover, I have a townish read on Turin. I don't like their Miller push but I do like that he's explained the discrepancy between his reads.
• AJ - We both like him so far. My read might be a bit skewed by thinking him to by Hydra with Despo until this morning, but it's still okay.
• Dice - I have a straight town read on Dice (but I haven't managed to reread yet. There are some specific scumtell triggers (specific to him anyway) that he hasn't hit (I'd rather not elaborate on this but I can do so if need be). I believe I can read him quite well, especially when he's scum, I've caught him at least three times on D1. Only green cause Hally didn't like his play. I asked her to comment/clarify why.
• MontstrManBat, Slendy - Hally reads them town. I'm muddled on the new folks, not ready to form opinions yet. Enough for me not to pursue his lynch. I liked their play FWIW, but I have no idea how to read them. Been a long time I've seen them. Not even sure we actually played together. Nope, Hally didn't say why she thinks they are town, I suppose she'll elaborate if asked.
• TG - I got a very mixed read. I'm afraid I dunno how to read him, I asked Hally to do so for me. I saw things I liked (his general tone/wim/post sharpness) and some things that might be legit concerns (the TI push and the premature Dice clear).
• Yates - I've got a straight town read on him. I'm hesitant to put him higher for he's a crafty one. I do have my ideas how to tell his scum game from his town game (will keep them for myself for now). He didn't hit those triggers yet. What I saw, I really liked. Mostly. Hally didn't leave notes for me there.
• TSB, Body Burner and Krak are completely null. They haven't played yet.
• Hally didn't give me any impressions on Pray and I don't have any problems with his initial post. I'd put him to null but I find that both Tommy and AJ are really good tone readers and I can follow them there if need be (possibly lynching there).
• Hally didn't give me any impressions on SickPuppets and I don't really remember his play (except I do remember that Tommy didn't like him). I can trust theit tone read (possibly lynching there).
• Arsis - my initial vote on him was somewhat serious (i think that's a slight scum tell). I don't remember much of his play from the first half of the game except that he gave me no reason to clear him or think him to be town (got not town vibes). I'm semi-confident I would have gotten those if they were there (I soulread him last game). Hally actually posted on skype after the first fifteen pages if she could vote him cause she don't like his play. Then five minutes later he realized I already am and I've got some positive rep for it. I don't think it's a coincidence so I'm sticking to this read even tho I generally liked this play in the second half of the game. I think he's quite capable of reacting well to pressure and find a good tone. I believe we got our first scum there.

   

[csarmi]

This is our PoE. What do you think, Tommy?

[Tommyrod]

It's very close to the one in my head except the post Arsis made to me last night about his his magic feels felt genuine. So he's more like a "wait and see" than a lynch ASAP.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I won't be posting for a while. I won't go into details. I'll still kind of be following the game but you'll have to direct any questions to Turin.

 

Thank you for your undertsanding

[TheSlenderMan]

Csarmi what do you mean by getting positive rep from Hally?

[Tommyrod]

I won't be posting for a while. I won't go into details. I'll still kind of be following the game but you'll have to direct any questions to Turin.

 

Thank you for your undertsanding

Turin, as her newly appointed PR director, I expect a press release from you by COB today.

[csarmi]

Csarmi what do you mean by getting positive rep from Hally?

Along the lines of: "OH, you've voted him already? Great minds alike, :wub:"

[csarmi]

I've got a coolness point from Hally for mindmeld, if it's more clear that way. I told her that I'm way ahead I been voting him since post 5 XD

[hazelkrs1]

So I know I promised details last night, but unfortunately I had a busy night at work, and still have to catch up on two other games and get some sleep cause I got a busy day ahead of me. So unfortunately, no wot's from me tonight. I know, yall are crushed.

 

Ready to LOCK CLEAR a number of peeps tho, and it's a long list so hold onto your butts-

 

GleMeri

TomStress

Slender

Monstrmanbat

Halligeddon

AJ

Darthe

 

Darthe is prob the most reluctant add to this list, and Slendy is my best guess for a deep wolf in this group if I did include anyone, but for POE purposes let's just lock these dudes in as blue for now. No way we're lynching from this group today

 

Dice is close to this group actually, his last few posts are looking MUCH better and he's def paying attention, for instance he noticed/remembered me having AJ as somewhat suspect before (AJ was already starting to look a lot more town, and his recent post affirming Tommy's towniness when others were pushing is essentially why I LOCK CLEARED him). A bit more and he'll be blue as well.

 

Pray has only one post but I thought it more likely to come from town!Pray than scum!Pray. Not worth getting into atm tho, since a read off one post aint that strong.

 

That one post Arsis made that Tommy said was his towniest of the game also looked very good to me. Not enough to put with my town reads but also prob not interested in lynching today.

 

Had SP as an early town soulread, however I expected more from him after that. Haven't seen anything recently to help affirm that read, so with so many villas popping up for me now he is def diminishing, could be a wilf.

 

As far as TSB/Swag goes, my limited experience with him tells me he's also not a good lynch today. Not necessarily for the same reasons others are saying tho- I just know he's always ambivalent at the start but is known for having the ability to #wrekt scum teams later on in games. So someone like Verb basically, who ramps up in activity and skills as the game goes on. Kinda annoying to me since I don't like metas that let people like them get free early-game passes like that, but it is what it is. Plus, I've seen Swag be a total jagoff to others, but has actually been decent on DM so far, and funny enough to keep around. Don't know why he out of other low-posters keeps getting attention, but if he DID get lynched today I doubt he'd be back on DM. Again, kinda shitty reasoning to not lynch someone, but meh.

 

Then there's two other peeps- Krak and BB. Krak has one post, and low activity is more of a towntell if anything for him normally HOWEVER his last game he was much more active as a townie, and BB hasn't posted at all, but regardless lynching either would be somewhat of a blind lynch, wouldn't produce as much info since neither would have spew, and there's the potential of the mod replacing them. So we're also not lynching there today.

 

Which leaves us Yates and TurIthian. Yates started to look a bit better before, but is starting to look bad again imo. Specifically I don't like how he is focusing so much on himself again- granted he did this last game and ended up being town, but I really feel he woulda learned his lesson here. I also think his push on Tommy has been bad- specifically the way he's trying to parrot things other people are saying about Tommy, like how he's defending Swag and stuff. Also didn't like how Yates tried acting like he doesn't make good points as town when defending himself from Tommy- the town!Yates I know would be very unlikely to admit something like that, he aint got ego or swagger like Tom but he's certainly no slouch and doesn't think of himself as one. Lastly part of the reason I thought Yates was starting to look better was him pushing on TI, but then he dropped that once momentum on them died, so he could def be scumbuddies with them OR scum opportunistically pushing on someone if I'm wrong about TI

 

I don't think I'm wrong on them however. Turin's explanation for why he initially "believed" TG's claim but then started pushing? That he was reaction testing Csarmi. But there was never any followup to that "test" and furthermore there was an earlier comment/explanation that Turin offered about something that would have fit better- that he thinks Ithi is a better player and defers to her reads or judgement. Basically I think Turin will use any explanation that he thinks will fit for trying to slip out of that flub. Fact is, he initially acted like he believed it (can't even say it was just as a reaction test to Csarmi either, remember how I also quoted him saying the dark chocolate flavor was "plausible"?), then started pushing the claim for policy reasons, then later said it wasn't a policy lynch, then said he was initially skeptical of the claim even tho he WASN'T, and is now trying to change his story as he sees fit.

 

For someone who thinks they're town here, please explain this to me. Explain how it makes sense for town!Turin to be changing his story so many times like this.

 

For more evidence of their scumminess, look how he's trying to push on me. Saying I "flip flopped" on him and TG, even tho I initially thought TG might be lying due to a tone read I made from a singe page. Once I read the entire thread, it was obvious to me that TG was telling the truth. Yet Turin leaves this out because he wants to make me look as bad as possible. Also, for someone who has thought I was scum almost the whole game, he is hardly pushing to get me lynched or convince others that I'm scum. It looks more like he's going through the motions with his reads (pushing TG as policy but not, soft pushing me as scum with buzzwords and not careful analysis, pushing other potential consensus scum reads like Dice). Also, even tho Ithi apparently aint posting anymore (why not just leave completely btw? You have a hydra partner so don't need a replacement...) but even before I still think she was waaaaay off her town meta.

 

To answer your earlier query Tom, yes, I do believe TI is still the scummiest slot in the game. Leaving my vote where it is.

[hazelkrs1]

Easier way to read that-

GleMeri
TomStress
Slender
Monstrmanbat
Halligeddon
AJ
Darthe

Dice

Pray

SP

Arsis

Swag (TSB)

BB

Krak

Yates

TurIthian (TI)

 

Blue=LOCK CLEAR

Green=Town lean

Orange=transition, either once town now scummish or once scum now townish

Gray=not enough to go on, blind lynches are baaaaad

Red=

[csarmi]

What puts TI greenish blue for me is Hally insisting on the Despo/TI fight being town on town. She tends to be right on these sort of judgements.

[csarmi]

It's very close to the one in my head except the post Arsis made to me last night about his his magic feels felt genuine. So he's more like a "wait and see" than a lynch ASAP.

I think know which post you're referring to and yea I liked Arsis lately too. My take is that he's reacting good to pressure, but that he's still scum.

 

Despo, I'd love to see a Yates case. I don't see why you're redlining him.

[TheSlenderMan]

Yeah I think I'm confident Lock-clearing Halligeddon as well.

 

Should probably move AJ to Townreads as well since one of us has Xposted the other with a laughably similar train-of-thought atleast a couple of times now.

[Hallia]

 

 

When he says something I agree with I'll say I think he's town. I'm sort that he's active and makes sense?

 

Are you saying I'm shallow and merely following along behind him?

no i am NOT saying you are shallow.

 

Simply that lately it seems and i could be wrong but this is how it seems to me that you ALWAYS agree with tommy.

 

I will always listen to what you have to say except in regards to tommy at the moment. I think its like you put rose colour glasses on when he is mentioned. You arnt the only one i do this to. I ignore Turin about Ithi as well.

You ignored my other comment. What do you think of other people? Let's get some reads out there eh?

 

Also re:Tommy - show me where I've been wrong on him? EVERY time I've defended him he's given me a reason to do so, and it's ended up being right. It's not rose-colored if it works.

[Hallia]

My hydra is so good at posting our reads. I'm in agreement with all but Darthe, he's null for me but I'll trust my Csarmageddon

[Yates]

In the situation in question here, obviously it wasn't TG who was adding on the "town" qualifier, so it's not his claim that's at issue.  It's how Ithi was referring to his claim, and knowing Ithi, I don't think her being overly precise is much of a scum tell.

Thank you. I'm not sure if I've played a game with Ithi or not. If I have, I don't remember her play. I agree with you that it depends on the person so not knowing Ithi? I had to ask.

[Yates]

TomStress gonna power hydra imo

 

Those of you tinfoiling already I think are mistaken.

I hope you are right. We'll see.

[Tommyrod]

Yates I wanna lynch you right now

 

Talk me out of it if you're a villager?