[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[Hallia]

And by soon I mean I'm technically at home, but I just got home, so I need to catch up.

[Turin Turambar]

TG you feel very uncommitted to your vote on us. 

 

gonna take a look at what Meri has had to say.

[Tommyrod]

Don't forget my hydra name is TomStress so if I stress you out I have justification.

[Tyler Glembo]

TG, you afraid to see our flip? If our lynch means getting mafia then I am okay with it. town wins as a team too. 

 

I think you are mafia. You seem to only be willing to commit to me being possibly not town. 

 

Why did it take you so long to vote me after putting me down as LOCK WOLF?

 

What?  I'm voting you, pushing you, and you come back with "afraid to see our flip"?  How do you reach that conclusion?  It makes no sense.

 

It makes even less sense if you really think I'm mafia.  If you really think I'm mafia then you'd think my goal is to get townies lynched so why would I be scared of any mislynch in that case.  Just the opposite.

 

As for taking "so long" to vote you, the answer is simple.  I had a scum read on TSB also. 

 

You started town!telling for a little bit there Turin, but illogical posts like this are narrative and are not town motivated.

[Tyler Glembo]

TG you feel very uncommitted to your vote on us. 

 

gonna take a look at what Meri has had to say.

 

I can understand that actually, since you pushed me into it. 

[Tommyrod]

TG is currently making good points

[hazelkrs1]

They don't policy lynch Millers here. The little book of darthe says a miller must claim on D1 to be credible.

 

TG claimed post 1 D 1 thus he is uber credible.

 

I'm a cynic. When all around me are saying 'it must be true' I think, 'why must it be true'

 

And Despo. I'm sure I replied to your post several times already to clarify my position. What else do you want me to say?

 

You've "clarified your position" but that wasn't what I was asking about- I would like you to go back and quote the post I quoted twice and explain why you put the blurb in about the cop not viewing him

 

 

 

 

For all those of you who think this is a policy lynch, or are painting it as thus to make me seem like I'm slightly tapped.

 

I do not believe the miller claim.

 

I think it's the perfect place for mafia to hide.

 

I do not think the cop should view him.

 

I think he should be lynched.

 

And that's pretty much it.

My objection to this is that I don't think you have a strong reason to either believe or not believe the claim right now unless you know there's another miller in the game. Everything else is just you guessing. I think TG's claim was believable at the very least and we can see how his threadplay progresses. I'm just gonna judge him as if he never claimed anything and suggest you do the same.

I can't. I just feel it. It feels wrong. I'm sorry I can't explain it in a massive wall of text, or break it down post by post and point out 'a-ha - this is where it is'

 

But I can't. That's just how I am.

 

Tommy. do you think that everyone should just believe that claim just because it was made? do you believe every claim that comes out of the blue? I don't like things that look either too neat or will give multiple days to coast. I would rather look into them right away. There will be loads of other people looking at other things. 

 

Ithi just didn't believe the claim. TG nudging at us made me very convinced that he is mafia. That he is the one with all the support is interesting to me. Maybe you should just lynch us and then follow up  on who said what and who pushed the hardest or for the worst reasoning. 

 

 

You still haven't explained WHY either of you didn't believe the claim. We get it, Miller could potentially be a good fake claim for scum to hide behind.

 

But what makes you think that is the case THIS time? Why do you think he is lying? If it's not specific to this game, and you think Miller claims should be lynched regardless in any game, then it's a policy lynch (which is exactly what it looked like originally)

 

But it also what makes it a perfect claim for an attempt at deep wolf. never getting viewed. The town is predisposed to believe you because you followed the +EV gameplan. all that is left is to play as townie as possible. It started as tinfoil for me. Ithi agreed that it was a possible devious play. His nudging hard back at us made me find him more mafia. A town Miller knows that getting lynched is a real possibility and even on D1 it can be helpful as it prevents the untimely outing of a cop. 

 

 

You're throwing out "nudge" in like every post at this point Turin. And I don't think TG was nudging anyways, I think he was making clear his stance on you two from the beginning.

 

Again, buzzword buzzword buzzword looks like you trying to justify a "read" after the fact

[Yates]

Hands Yates a bicycle.

 

I just finished a 30km ride to work.

 

Your turn O Mighty Prince!!

30km? What is that? Like 5 miles? I could do that on a kid's bike with training wheels.

 

No but seriously, I regularly do 50k's for charity. In June I did 100k for the Tour de Cure. Which, now that I think about it, is thread appropriate since it's to help find a cure for diabetes for all those fools that don't even lift.

 

Are you scum? I didn't see you claim VT yet.

[Yates]

Oh. I did 24 miles [38.6 km] yesterday just to enjoy the sun.

[Tommyrod]

If anyone has ever wondered what the inside of my head is like, it's this:

[Turin Turambar]

Despo. It is always good to initially disbelieve a miller claim. The risk of ignoring the possibility of it being fake does not outweigh the reward of the benefit of not mislynching a town player that you most likely can not ever be sure is truly town. 

 

So you think it is proper to decry someone as LOCK WOLF and yet be hesitant to vote them because you have a possible wolf read elsewhere? 

 

If you make what you think is a strong case and fail to vote it that is the definition of nudging in the absence of a guilty view on someone else or in the need to consolidate for EOD.

[Yates]

his nudging of the person pushing his lynch.

making us out as obvious mafia but not voting his convictictions.

that means posing and mafia are more likely to pose than town. especially if a big plan got ruined.

Okay. At least that isn't "policy."

 

But...

...do you think that everyone should just believe that claim just because it was made? do you believe every claim that comes out of the blue?

Please stop with this stuff if you are Town? Unless you think everyone that disagreed with you in that Xpost is scum, you know you are just continuing a T v T argument with a non-sequitur at best and attempt at discrediting at worst.

 

I don't think ANYONE is saying TG is Lock Town because of his claim [i could be wrong]. If you read *my* post it should be clear to you that it's okay to think TG *could be* scum. I was just saying it looked like you/Ithi thought that simply because of his claim. THAT is what we were taking umbrage with. That's all.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I really don't understand why I have to say the same thing over and over again @ Despo. I will do it again, but then maybe you could explain why you don't seem to be able to see the answers I've already given you.

 

 

I don't think I've been discrediting my attackers?

 

Well apart from the one I'm voting for. I don't know how a Town Miller would behave. I can't help but see it as the perfect place for Mafia to hide especially as 'everyone' knows this is exactly what a town miller would do and thus it must be a Town Miller. Everyone walks away. Cop doesn't view. It's just perfect.

 

I may just be contrary - but if no Mafia has ever done this, why the hell not?

 

Bold: I showed how yall are discrediting your attackers in my wot

 

Italics: Don't believe you

 

Underlined: You seriously trying to say the Cop should view TG after he claimed Miller? Are you seriously saying that? Regardless of whether TG is faking Miller or not, Cop viewing him would be an absolutely terrible idea

 

You say that I am trying to say that the cop should view TG after he has claimed Miller. I clearly say that the Cop doesn't view TG. Because what would be the point. He's already made it very clear that if the Cop does view him, he's going to get a Mafia result. But that's ok because he's not actually really Mafia - he's a Miller.

 

I said Cop Doesn't View TG.

 

I stick by that.

 

Please show me where I've ever said that the cop should view him? I've never said that. I did not make a suggestion. I made a statement of fact. Because of the claim, the cop will not view TG.

 

Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

 

In this quote you will see that I make a statement that many of you will agree with. Despo then says that I'm suggesting the cop SHOULD view TG.

 

I fail to see how he came up with that.

 

I have explained this numerous times, but I shall explain it again. No doubt I still won't have answered in the way he wanted me to - but I cant just make up an answer to make him happy.

[hazelkrs1]

1. Despo. It is always good to initially disbelieve a miller claim. The risk of ignoring the possibility of it being fake does not outweigh the reward of the benefit of not mislynching a town player that you most likely can not ever be sure is truly town. 

 

2. So you think it is proper to decry someone as LOCK WOLF and yet be hesitant to vote them because you have a possible wolf read elsewhere? 

 

3. If you make what you think is a strong case and fail to vote it that is the definition of nudging in the absence of a guilty view on someone else or in the need to consolidate for EOD.

 

1. So falling back on policy push again, huh? It's one thing to be skeptical of a Miller claim, it's quite another to vote them in a policy push to "clear the muddy waters" like Ithi did.

 

2. This is weaksauce to me. I don't think TG was hesitant at all to vote yall, I think you're just sticking to this to try and justify continuing to push against them. Misrepping imo. He apparently thought Swag was scum, and his read on you didn't necessarily make him stop believing Swag was scum. So he wasn't reluctant to vote yall, he was just pressuring multiple people, which is actually very protown

 

3. That's actually not what I consider nudging at all. People case people they don't vote or aren't voting all the time. "Nudging" is when you try to post little blurbs to make someone look worse without actively pushing them yourself, that way you won't be implicated as much if they flip town. TG wasn't quibbling or hedging in his stance on yall, everything about how he started questioning Ithi and you looked consistent with how I could see TG acting as town earlier.

[Turin Turambar]

 

They don't policy lynch Millers here. The little book of darthe says a miller must claim on D1 to be credible.

 

TG claimed post 1 D 1 thus he is uber credible.

 

I'm a cynic. When all around me are saying 'it must be true' I think, 'why must it be true'

 

And Despo. I'm sure I replied to your post several times already to clarify my position. What else do you want me to say?

 

You've "clarified your position" but that wasn't what I was asking about- I would like you to go back and quote the post I quoted twice and explain why you put the blurb in about the cop not viewing him

 

 

 

 

For all those of you who think this is a policy lynch, or are painting it as thus to make me seem like I'm slightly tapped.

 

I do not believe the miller claim.

 

I think it's the perfect place for mafia to hide.

 

I do not think the cop should view him.

 

I think he should be lynched.

 

And that's pretty much it.

My objection to this is that I don't think you have a strong reason to either believe or not believe the claim right now unless you know there's another miller in the game. Everything else is just you guessing. I think TG's claim was believable at the very least and we can see how his threadplay progresses. I'm just gonna judge him as if he never claimed anything and suggest you do the same.

I can't. I just feel it. It feels wrong. I'm sorry I can't explain it in a massive wall of text, or break it down post by post and point out 'a-ha - this is where it is'

 

But I can't. That's just how I am.

 

Tommy. do you think that everyone should just believe that claim just because it was made? do you believe every claim that comes out of the blue? I don't like things that look either too neat or will give multiple days to coast. I would rather look into them right away. There will be loads of other people looking at other things. 

 

Ithi just didn't believe the claim. TG nudging at us made me very convinced that he is mafia. That he is the one with all the support is interesting to me. Maybe you should just lynch us and then follow up  on who said what and who pushed the hardest or for the worst reasoning. 

 

 

You still haven't explained WHY either of you didn't believe the claim. We get it, Miller could potentially be a good fake claim for scum to hide behind.

 

But what makes you think that is the case THIS time? Why do you think he is lying? If it's not specific to this game, and you think Miller claims should be lynched regardless in any game, then it's a policy lynch (which is exactly what it looked like originally)

 

But it also what makes it a perfect claim for an attempt at deep wolf. never getting viewed. The town is predisposed to believe you because you followed the +EV gameplan. all that is left is to play as townie as possible. It started as tinfoil for me. Ithi agreed that it was a possible devious play. His nudging hard back at us made me find him more mafia. A town Miller knows that getting lynched is a real possibility and even on D1 it can be helpful as it prevents the untimely outing of a cop. 

 

 

You're throwing out "nudge" in like every post at this point Turin. And I don't think TG was nudging anyways, I think he was making clear his stance on you two from the beginning.

 

Again, buzzword buzzword buzzword looks like you trying to justify a "read" after the fact

 

What do you want me to call it? failing to vote his convictions? discrepancy between words and actions? I think I have used those phrases as well. Nudge merely sums it up in a smaller package.

 

And he did not make clear his stance from the beginning. He even used some nudge phrases like not a good look. Only after there was additional support did he ramp up to LOCK WOLF and then only after being dared to do it did he actually vote. So yes that entire run of events looks more likely to come from a mafia player to me.  

 

I am wondering if you are defending him so much. Saying his reads were so good, etc. etc. 

 

As far as justifying a read. That is comical from you. Push someone for what in this case could be thought as psuedo policy. I was more interested in not letting it go uncontested. His discrepancy in his stance on us (hell he just admitted that I needed to talk him into voting me) led me to believe he is mafia fake claiming Miller.

[Turin Turambar]

 

his nudging of the person pushing his lynch.

making us out as obvious mafia but not voting his convictictions.

that means posing and mafia are more likely to pose than town. especially if a big plan got ruined.

Okay. At least that isn't "policy."

 

But...

...do you think that everyone should just believe that claim just because it was made? do you believe every claim that comes out of the blue?

Please stop with this stuff if you are Town? Unless you think everyone that disagreed with you in that Xpost is scum, you know you are just continuing a T v T argument with a non-sequitur at best and attempt at discrediting at worst.

 

I don't think ANYONE is saying TG is Lock Town because of his claim [i could be wrong]. If you read *my* post it should be clear to you that it's okay to think TG *could be* scum. I was just saying it looked like you/Ithi thought that simply because of his claim. THAT is what we were taking umbrage with. That's all.

 

My point is that I thought he could be mafia. And then after what I see as his nudging our train that he is >>>rand to be mafia.

[Tommyrod]

You guys are gonna make me ISO TG 6 hours into the game? Okay.

[Yates]

...Only after there was additional support did he ramp up to LOCK WOLF and then only after being dared to do it did he actually vote. So yes that entire run of events looks more likely to come from a mafia player to me.

If you have two scum reads [Player A and Player B] and you are voting player A then player B dares you to vote him instead, do you? I do. Just for spite. I'm giving this null value.

[Ithillian Turambar]

You guys are gonna make me ISO TG 6 hours into the game? Okay.

And Despo.

 

Can you do two at once?

[hazelkrs1]

I really don't understand why I have to say the same thing over and over again @ Despo. I will do it again, but then maybe you could explain why you don't seem to be able to see the answers I've already given you.

 

 

I don't think I've been discrediting my attackers?

 

Well apart from the one I'm voting for. I don't know how a Town Miller would behave. I can't help but see it as the perfect place for Mafia to hide especially as 'everyone' knows this is exactly what a town miller would do and thus it must be a Town Miller. Everyone walks away. Cop doesn't view. It's just perfect.

 

I may just be contrary - but if no Mafia has ever done this, why the hell not?

 

Bold: I showed how yall are discrediting your attackers in my wot

 

Italics: Don't believe you

 

Underlined: You seriously trying to say the Cop should view TG after he claimed Miller? Are you seriously saying that? Regardless of whether TG is faking Miller or not, Cop viewing him would be an absolutely terrible idea

 

You say that I am trying to say that the cop should view TG after he has claimed Miller. I clearly say that the Cop doesn't view TG. Because what would be the point. He's already made it very clear that if the Cop does view him, he's going to get a Mafia result. But that's ok because he's not actually really Mafia - he's a Miller.

 

I said Cop Doesn't View TG.

 

I stick by that.

 

Please show me where I've ever said that the cop should view him? I've never said that. I did not make a suggestion. I made a statement of fact. Because of the claim, the cop will not view TG.

 

Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

 

In this quote you will see that I make a statement that many of you will agree with. Despo then says that I'm suggesting the cop SHOULD view TG.

 

I fail to see how he came up with that.

 

I have explained this numerous times, but I shall explain it again. No doubt I still won't have answered in the way he wanted me to - but I cant just make up an answer to make him happy.

 

 

I have never once said you said the cop should view TG. SHOW ME where I said that Ithi, cause you and Turin are starting to misrep hardcore.

 

My ENTIRE point with this was trying to see why you would say that there- "Cop doesn't view" as if it would be a bad thing.

 

Thing is, if TG was scum, then claiming Miller to keep the Cop from viewing him DOESN'T automatically put him in some kind of "clear" situation. He might keep from getting viewed, but he will have introduced wifom on his slot that could get him lynched at some point anyways.

 

YOU were trying to make it seem like TG would be able to "get away with it" as scum and made it seem like the Cop not viewing him would be helpful to him, but now that he has claimed Miller he will have that wifom shroud around him for the rest of the game so I fail to see how this is a point worth making. I don't think scum would fake claim Miller just to keep from being viewed as the miller claim itself puts them to the forefront without ever having been viewed.

 

Basically I just think you're scum that's bitter that town is buying TG's Miller claim because you want to keep him open as a mislynch. And that bitterness showed through when you were talking about him "getting away with it"

[Yates]

Anyway, I just wanted to see what was running through your brain. TG can defend himself.

[Ithillian Turambar]

You do see in the quote above where you said 'You seriously trying to say the Cop should view TG after he claimed Miller? Are you seriously saying that? Regardless of whether TG is faking Miller or not, Cop viewing him would be an absolutely terrible idea.'

[Arsis]

I'm not going to vote for tg. I just believe him. I think that tsb is the way to go today. He's scummy.

 

 

If tg gets vigged to clear the wifom over the Miller claim. I wouldn't be upset.

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

I really don't understand why I have to say the same thing over and over again @ Despo. I will do it again, but then maybe you could explain why you don't seem to be able to see the answers I've already given you.

 

 

 

I don't think I've been discrediting my attackers?

 

Well apart from the one I'm voting for. I don't know how a Town Miller would behave. I can't help but see it as the perfect place for Mafia to hide especially as 'everyone' knows this is exactly what a town miller would do and thus it must be a Town Miller. Everyone walks away. Cop doesn't view. It's just perfect.

 

I may just be contrary - but if no Mafia has ever done this, why the hell not?

 

Bold: I showed how yall are discrediting your attackers in my wot

 

Italics: Don't believe you

 

Underlined: You seriously trying to say the Cop should view TG after he claimed Miller? Are you seriously saying that? Regardless of whether TG is faking Miller or not, Cop viewing him would be an absolutely terrible idea

 

 

 

You say that I am trying to say that the cop should view TG after he has claimed Miller. I clearly say that the Cop doesn't view TG. Because what would be the point. He's already made it very clear that if the Cop does view him, he's going to get a Mafia result. But that's ok because he's not actually really Mafia - he's a Miller.

 

I said Cop Doesn't View TG.

 

I stick by that.

 

Please show me where I've ever said that the cop should view him? I've never said that. I did not make a suggestion. I made a statement of fact. Because of the claim, the cop will not view TG.

 

Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

 

In this quote you will see that I make a statement that many of you will agree with. Despo then says that I'm suggesting the cop SHOULD view TG.

 

I fail to see how he came up with that.

 

I have explained this numerous times, but I shall explain it again. No doubt I still won't have answered in the way he wanted me to - but I cant just make up an answer to make him happy.

 

I have never once said you said the cop should view TG. SHOW ME where I said that Ithi, cause you and Turin are starting to misrep hardcore.

 

My ENTIRE point with this was trying to see why you would say that there- "Cop doesn't view" as if it would be a bad thing.

 

Thing is, if TG was scum, then claiming Miller to keep the Cop from viewing him DOESN'T automatically put him in some kind of "clear" situation. He might keep from getting viewed, but he will have introduced wifom on his slot that could get him lynched at some point anyways.

 

YOU were trying to make it seem like TG would be able to "get away with it" as scum and made it seem like the Cop not viewing him would be helpful to him, but now that he has claimed Miller he will have that wifom shroud around him for the rest of the game so I fail to see how this is a point worth making. I don't think scum would fake claim Miller just to keep from being viewed as the miller claim itself puts them to the forefront without ever having been viewed.

 

Basically I just think you're scum that's bitter that town is buying TG's Miller claim because you want to keep him open as a mislynch. And that bitterness showed through when you were talking about him "getting away with it"

 

See ... there is is.

[TheSlenderMan]

Arsis -- the problem isn't the question you had, it's that it didn't come to your mind at the time of the claim. You DID comment on csarmi's Vote on you, and make an OP of your own before the 'question' popping up in your head. So it seems like a fabricated afterthought. Town WOULD be interested in immediately commenting on the ONLY thing that has so far even happened in the Thread.

Also you haven't had threadpresence since then and your posts have felt cautious so still the likeliest Scum in my eyes.

 

Tom -- how strong is your Monstr-lean? I don't disagree with the notion at all but you've actually seen him scum so I'd like to hear exactly how far he is from his Scum-range, if far at all.

 

Yates Townread strengthened during my catch-up.

Monstr seems Town, not sure whether it should be a 'read' or a 'lean'.

Tom I'd like to peg as a TownREAD (!!!) based almost solely on his response to my OP.

Despot is a Town-lean, though a superficial one for the moment.

Still Town-leaning on Ithi/TT.