[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[Turin Turambar]

"12. TI [Turin Turambar / Ithillian] - Turin has the ability to drop amazing town tells in scum posts and Ithi (who I can read better) is absent. Seriously beware of Turin tricking everyone all game."

 

This right?

 

I thought it was one of the best parts of that reads post. Insightful comment that isn't smearing -- and it made me think you could be scum after all despite some of the townish vibes I had from your posting.

 

Why what do you want me to see?

Do you know where it came from? 

[Arsis]

Why is there an excuse in every single Ithi post. You keep harping on how you weren't here and how much turi has going on. You guys are super busy. I get it. Now move on and make some actual reads.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Darthe said he was confused by us. If it was both of us posting then I could see that, as Turin sounds like he's stroking a white tribble and I just ramble on.

 

Darthe has maintained a cool persona though.

 

If I was playing and he was Mafia he'd be advising people to go for me emotionally - because he plays to win and thinks it's ok to have a go and stuff. I didn't like that we were closest to red (ie orange) when he said that he was muddled about us. I think we should have been more middling as surely that means he swinging between Town and Mafia.

 

Yates said it means he is null on us - but Orange doesn't feel Null, it feels like a short trip to Lynchville.

[dicetosser1]

Yates with the soft push. Continued from last night where he couldn't get a single INCH on me because I blasted his terrible arguments into space.

 

I'm not jumpy, I'm PISSED. Your reasoning, and TG's reasoning, for finding me suspicious is so infinitesimally small compared to the mountain of town telling that I've bestowed upon this thread. You don't get to ignore the fact that I'm obvious town to make limp wristed "he's sneaky!" jabs at me wayyyyy before they would ever be justified. You are not allowed to even THINK that I could be scum at this early stage in the game when we have lynched non-town and are likely to hit scum today.

 

Back off.

 

You arnt obvious town to me either. Start of game you were like i have never seen you before. Difference in play is something to watch for. Your little cranky pants tanty here is the closest you have come to being what i consider normal tommy.

I actually have you as almost a scum lean. not quite cause theres nothing other then the different play to put my finger on specifically.

 

Not gonna waste time with you TG. Interrogate someone else.

 

If his questions clear you in people minds how is it a waste of time?

[Ithillian Turambar]

Why is there an excuse in every single Ithi post. You keep harping on how you weren't here and how much turi has going on. You guys are super busy. I get it. Now move on and make some actual reads.

I feel bad about my absence and inability to instantly pick the game up in it's entirety. The fact is that I'm making relevant points to explain why we are how we are, but of course you can negate them and say 'stop whining already'.

 

Arrrrrrrrrrrrsis.

 

I can't perform on demand. I don't do tricks :)

 

I'm doing something elsewhere and will be off to bed soon.

 

I do make excellent Yorkshire puddings though.

[dicetosser1]

@ithi    I found your play D1   for what you were here for   different to the Ithi i know and am scared of :D  Do you think it is different to your usual style and if so why? if not why not?

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

Yates with the soft push. Continued from last night where he couldn't get a single INCH on me because I blasted his terrible arguments into space.

 

I'm not jumpy, I'm PISSED. Your reasoning, and TG's reasoning, for finding me suspicious is so infinitesimally small compared to the mountain of town telling that I've bestowed upon this thread. You don't get to ignore the fact that I'm obvious town to make limp wristed "he's sneaky!" jabs at me wayyyyy before they would ever be justified. You are not allowed to even THINK that I could be scum at this early stage in the game when we have lynched non-town and are likely to hit scum today.

 

Back off.

 

You arnt obvious town to me either. Start of game you were like i have never seen you before. Difference in play is something to watch for. Your little cranky pants tanty here is the closest you have come to being what i consider normal tommy.

I actually have you as almost a scum lean. not quite cause theres nothing other then the different play to put my finger on specifically.

 

Not gonna waste time with you TG. Interrogate someone else.

 

If his questions clear you in people minds how is it a waste of time?

 

You are being quite narky this game. I remember seeing a few posts like this before and thinking oh my gosh - what's rattling Dice.

 

ANYWAYS - apparently you read me super easily compared to reading Turin. You think Turin is Mafia? What about me?

[Tommyrod]

Dice you're asking very superficial questions, do you have something more specific or deeper to contribute? You can ask me questions if you want, but you're already missing that I did respond to TG's questions on Darthe, I had no interest in wherever he was going with asking me about Socrates or whatever though.

Dunno what to tell you about the scum lean Dice. Get over it? I have you as a "slowly slipping into scum potential" lean because you're not helping.

[Tommyrod]

 

"12. TI [Turin Turambar / Ithillian] - Turin has the ability to drop amazing town tells in scum posts and Ithi (who I can read better) is absent. Seriously beware of Turin tricking everyone all game."

 

This right?

 

I thought it was one of the best parts of that reads post. Insightful comment that isn't smearing -- and it made me think you could be scum after all despite some of the townish vibes I had from your posting.

 

Why what do you want me to see?

 

Do you know where it came from? 

 

What do you mean?

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

"12. TI [Turin Turambar / Ithillian] - Turin has the ability to drop amazing town tells in scum posts and Ithi (who I can read better) is absent. Seriously beware of Turin tricking everyone all game."

This right?

 

I thought it was one of the best parts of that reads post. Insightful comment that isn't smearing -- and it made me think you could be scum after all despite some of the townish vibes I had from your posting.

 

Why what do you want me to see?

 

That is a very Turin meta read. But it's a description of Turin and how he plays in general - it's not really a read on Turin from this game. You could trot this out every single game and it would sound reasonable

[Arsis]

 

Why is there an excuse in every single Ithi post. You keep harping on how you weren't here and how much turi has going on. You guys are super busy. I get it. Now move on and make some actual reads.

I feel bad about my absence and inability to instantly pick the game up in it's entirety. The fact is that I'm making relevant points to explain why we are how we are, but of course you can negate them and say 'stop whining already'.

 

Arrrrrrrrrrrrsis.

 

I can't perform on demand. I don't do tricks :)

 

I'm doing something elsewhere and will be off to bed soon.

 

I do make excellent Yorkshire puddings though.

It looks bad to keep on about it. It seems like you're making it about your absence and not gameplay. Just start making a case. I'm with you here. Who should be the lynch today if not you?

[Tommyrod]

 

 

"12. TI [Turin Turambar / Ithillian] - Turin has the ability to drop amazing town tells in scum posts and Ithi (who I can read better) is absent. Seriously beware of Turin tricking everyone all game."

This right?

 

I thought it was one of the best parts of that reads post. Insightful comment that isn't smearing -- and it made me think you could be scum after all despite some of the townish vibes I had from your posting.

 

Why what do you want me to see?

 

That is a very Turin meta read. But it's a description of Turin and how he plays in general - it's not really a read on Turin from this game. You could trot this out every single game and it would sound reasonable

 

 

So your point is that he hasn't discussed your gameplay in this game? I have a soft spot for meta reads of this kind; lemme go see if he's taken a stance on you either way.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Oh Oh Oh - I had no idea what Turin meant about 'where did it come from' and I was all, what ARE you going on about - but he's just explained and it's quite cool.

 

Lemme go post in the Blues and rescue the Dwarf and then I'll be back for the big ta daaaaa!

[Turin Turambar]

@ithi    I found your play D1   for what you were here for   different to the Ithi i know and am scared of :D  Do you think it is different to your usual style and if so why? if not why not?

Dice I have heard people say that her play D1 was out of character but I think what many forget in the pounce on one little thing she can do is that she is tenacious until something else comes up. Would you say there was anything very meaty going on early? 

[Yates]

I can make Yorkshire puddings.

I do make excellent Yorkshire puddings though.

So you are claiming poisoner? [see - I've had British cuisine!]

[dicetosser1]

respectfully Turin   I asked Ithi for a reason. Can you please let her reply. Once she has i will reply to you. remind me if i forgot.

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

 

Why is there an excuse in every single Ithi post. You keep harping on how you weren't here and how much turi has going on. You guys are super busy. I get it. Now move on and make some actual reads.

I feel bad about my absence and inability to instantly pick the game up in it's entirety. The fact is that I'm making relevant points to explain why we are how we are, but of course you can negate them and say 'stop whining already'.

 

Arrrrrrrrrrrrsis.

 

I can't perform on demand. I don't do tricks :)

 

I'm doing something elsewhere and will be off to bed soon.

 

I do make excellent Yorkshire puddings though.

 

It looks bad to keep on about it. It seems like you're making it about your absence and not gameplay. Just start making a case. I'm with you here. Who should be the lynch today if not you?

 

I don't know. I haven't caught up and it's already 11pm. I don't know who half of you are so I can't remember who said what. Turin will have some idea though I'm sure. And if it ends up being us at least we've been quite active, or at least drawn a lot of opinions from folks - which is exactly what we should be doing.

[Ithillian Turambar]

@ithi    I found your play D1   for what you were here for   different to the Ithi i know and am scared of :D  Do you think it is different to your usual style and if so why? if not why not?

I didn't see this till you told Turin off for answering lol.

 

Anyways - I saw something with TG and went with it. I'm not allowed to mention other things or having to leave as it will annoy Arsis - but other things were happening and then I had to leave.

 

And ha ha ha at being scared of me.

 

I do find it interesting that now you're asking me for reasons why you should agree that I'm Town. I guess with Turin you could have said - oops I was wrong, but I'm still me and you can't really say you don't know how to read me right?

[Tommyrod]

Cool I'm mostly caught up.

 

I like Halligami/Tomstress/SP/Yates so far.  

 

Votes on Dice are premature imo.  He looks like he always does, which is to say open and completely oblivious to his tone.  IthiTurin also look odd but I am not too worried about them yet.  Turin can play a straight game but Ithi stick out more and more over time.  Mainly with her it is illogical arguments compounding and their Hydra thankfully solves the drama of figuring out how much of their buddying is their bond.  

 

Don't think I've ever played with meridan before.

 

This is his second post and it's a great example of the sort of meta observation that I find useful. He may even be right about the "illogical arguments compounding" given Ithi's confusion if you guys are scum.

 

 

 

So many posts so far are filler or nothing, this is kinda sad.

 

Welcome to DM!

 

@AJ I agree with you about Ithi's miller discussion but I think it null instead of a town-tell for her.  She could and would do it as either alignment and is good enough to not over-commit this soon.

 

Third post. What's his motivation for making posts like this? If he's town: because he thinks he can read you down the line. If he's scum: to protect a scumbro. I do not see him doing this if he's scum and you're town.

 

 

 

 

@AJ I agree with you about Ithi's miller discussion but I think it null instead of a town-tell for her.  She could and would do it as either alignment and is good enough to not over-commit this soon.

 

Fair. I would say that you likely have more experience with her than I do, but she does seem rather committed to it imo.

 

Ithi meta is that whensomeone calls her on something she locks herself into it more firmly.  Ya know, just to be stubborn.  Also this kills the Ithi.

 

More discussion about you that suggests he thinks he can read you but isn't going to make a snap decision on it.

 

I'm reading Darthe's first page ISO and he looks so town to me.

 

Posts like this:

 

 

 

I'm pretty pleased to not be the driving force of conversation.

 

Of course... that means some of the leaders are scum.

 

Fun!

First sketch post by Tommy this game.  

 

TG is looking solid so far though.  Don't get the negativity towards SP so far.  Someone spell that out please.

 

 

He's been looking because he wants to catch me. That's a town perspective.

 

I can feel the gears turning in his head and he's not behaving in a scummy opportunistic way to my eye. So yeah, I still think Darthe is town.

 

So what about him?

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

I can make Yorkshire puddings.

I do make excellent Yorkshire puddings though.

So you are claiming poisoner? [see - I've had British cuisine!]

 

My Yorkshire Puddings are awesome

[Darthe]

@ Yates. I'm in the Orange because Darthe is muddled on us.

 

You say that's fine.

 

Then you says it's bad for Darthe to be confused.

 

I must confess, I'm confused by this.

 

Also I feel that my inactivity and Turin's inability to hold conversations and wotnot have made us an easy target. We can't really post bazillions like somepeople and we can't answer every point that's made to us. Also every single Turin post always sounds like he's wearing half moon glasses and is arching his fingers. It doesn't help I know. We are Town though.

I call shenanigans on this post. You spend the first half suggesting im scummy for having a muddled read on you and the second half explaining that its understandable for people to have muddled or weak reads on you since youve not done much.

 

Shenanigans.

[Tommyrod]

I think it's funny how right there Turin was saying he was leaning to believe the claim, yet recently he has stressed that the claim didn't sit well with him immediately

 

Happy with my vote on WiFuM

 

 

To give a more in depth look at what I'm talking about:

 

@GleMeri, Flavor?  

 

 

Ithi is TOWN. 

 

 

 

 

Character?

 

Dark Chocolate.  We might look bad for you but we really aren't. 

 

plausible. 

 

 

These are Turin's first two posts reacting to the Miller claim. First asking for flavor (presumably character, there was some xposting going on at the time it seems) so while possibly skeptical certainly not expressing any instant doubt, and then after seeing the character Turin says it's "plausible". Which I can only infer means Turin thought it was "plausible" TG was telling the truth

 

 

How do you feel about TG's claim, Turin?

I don't feel anything about it. Flavour wise it seems to fit. I am leaning to believe the claim. Not sure how Miller fits in with Standard type mafia set up however.

 

Arsis, is a quest bar some sort of protein thing? Or is it where adventurers go to tell tales? 

 

 

So here is Turin responding to Csarmi asking what he thinks about the claim. Funny thing is, Turin FIRST says he doesn't feel anything about it, followed immediately by him saying he is leaning to believe it, followed by setup spec that leaves the door open to doubt the claim later (and honestly I don't see how someone as experienced as Turin would find a Miller role unusual in a Standard type mafia game).

 

Bad language already? How uncivilised.

 

[V]Vote TG[/v]

 

Can do without a muddying of waters

 

 

The problem with millers is that there is no way to actually vet them in a more basic game because the roles that could clear them are not going to be there. Claiming Miller and then playing uber town is a recipe to a town loss. 

 

Part of claiming Miller early is knowing that you may have to be lynched for the long term good of the town.

 

You could be telling the truth but without being able to confirm it then all it does is set up a bad situation later in the game. 

 

So this is funny- after Ithi comes in and votes TG, Turin's very next post is supporting his other half. Understandable, but still interesting considering Turin had previously stated that the claim was "plausible" and that he was leaning to believe it. Kinda weird to go from that to then preaching about the dangers of leaving a miller claim unlynched.

 

If this is truly how Turin felt about Miller claims, why didn't he bring this up before? Why only when Ithi had already come in with the policy vote?

 

 

@Ithi: I'm so town my triceps look like horseshoes

 

 

 

Aorn tho I don't think you and Turin are town. And my other two scum reads have both at least started looking marginally better- Yates in his push on you, and Arsis in that one response to me. You guys tho keep doubling down on the buzzword stuff and waffling between policy lynch and legit scum read on TG

Yates pushed at us? really? 

 

Doubling down on buzzwords... ironical.

 

There is no waffling between the two. The initial look was because the claim did not sit well. So after applying some pressure and seeing his response I am more convinced he is mafia. You gonna tell me it is bad to pressure people that you find suspicious and see how they respond?

 

As of right Now I am thinking that you are not town either so there you go. 

 

 

Now compare all that to Turin's recent response to me. In the bold, Turin is clearly trying to make it seem like he initially doubted the claim, that it didn't sit well with him, so that he then applied pressure. But he DIDN'T really doubt the claim initially, at least not in any firm way. He said it was plausible and was "leaning to believe it", and then started joking with Arsis. Turin was NOT interested in pressuring TG for his claim, yet he is trying to act like he was. Ithi DID come in instantly with the vote, but Turin is now trying to take credit for skepticism of the claim that he did not truly express.

 

Then there's this against Turin, too.

[Tommyrod]

[V]arsis[/v]

 

I've found Turin to seem generally townie from all I've read so far and is making a lot of sense

 

Now this is interesting.

[dicetosser1]

 

@ithi    I found your play D1   for what you were here for   different to the Ithi i know and am scared of :D  Do you think it is different to your usual style and if so why? if not why not?

I didn't see this till you told Turin off for answering lol.

 

Anyways - I saw something with TG and went with it. I'm not allowed to mention other things or having to leave as it will annoy Arsis - but other things were happening and then I had to leave.

 

And ha ha ha at being scared of me.

 

I do find it interesting that now you're asking me for reasons why you should agree that I'm Town. I guess with Turin you could have said - oops I was wrong, but I'm still me and you can't really say you don't know how to read me right?

 

 

I find it easier to read you then i do Turin. I usually read his buddying of you but as ure hydra that goes out the window.

With Turins answer I agree that you do jump on something and bulldog it until you find another victim. However what im trying to clarify is the actual tone of your posts. they dont sound as sharp as normal, and i was fully aware that RL may be affecting them. that RL element muddles my read.

 

does that make sense?

 

and of course im scared of you.....I was your apprentice after all! 

[Darthe]

 

 

That was ALL aimed at TG. I thought that was quite clear. I'm interested as to why you would think any of it was aimed at you though.

You thought I was having a poke about?

 

My reads are developing as the game develops. Darthe needs the end of a rope as badly as you do. If I had a gun with 4 shots I'd shoot you both twice.

Y?