[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[dicetosser1]

 

 

Rand, Tsuki has an ability that makes no sense for scum (it's likely he really did copy paste it from his PM due to the coloring) and Arsis claimed Thor specifically and Darthe posted his entire PM.

 

That's GOOD ENOUGH FOR NOW.

Yes. And now Tsuki's role is as good as ruined since no scum will ever fall into that. Arsis's role which most experienced players have already figured out can easily be nullified and played with. And thats happening every time a townie claims. In a game this big, here's what will happen. You three will most likely die one by one, we will be left with no clears when necessary, and your roles will be near useless.

Any means scum use to nullify my power exposes them or is protown.

 

 

what??

[Darthe]

bed time for me.  Goodnight!

 

Also, Rand there is always potential for a 2/1 scenario and in any case unless we play a terrible game where everybody else has crap luck with their abilities etc this game should, at worst, end up at 4/5.  2 clear in that makes the difference between a random selection being rand<town to rand<scum.

[RandA lThor]

 

 

Rand, anyone who hammers without permission gets lynched or vigged. That's not a concern. I have no idea why you're making a big deal over what has been a very net-positive couple of hours for town.

Because if you enforce this, then every other town who has hammer powers is now blocked, in what before could have been a much more subtle strike at mafia.

How many hammer abilities do you think there are? Once one is outed the theme is pretty easy to pick up on, not like some magic gambit has been prevented. Better to play it safe than worry about some hypothetical missed hammering opportunities scenario.

 

Seriously, wtf. You're insane.

 

K I give up, from my point of view, mafia's going to knock you all off one at a time, we're losing important PRs, and I do suspect that some sort of hammer role is a pattern among the town.

 

 

 

Rand, anyone who hammers without permission gets lynched or vigged. That's not a concern. I have no idea why you're making a big deal over what has been a very net-positive couple of hours for town.

Because if you enforce this, then every other town who has hammer powers is now blocked, in what before could have been a much more subtle strike at mafia.

 

Or they could nut up and hammer when they feel the need and then explain afterwards.  Townies don't rush to action without contemplating them first when they are in a calm state so I don't see your logic here.

 

Lol and how many of you would actually believe someone after they did that without a cop confirmation?  Even with a cop confirmation?  Tommy just said they would be policy lynched, not listened to.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

 

 

If a doc protects me and claims and I protect them we can likely carry one another to endgame.  If I place my votes correctly each day then I can both cover myself and the doc and they can cover someone else seemingly indefinitely since a nexus takes precedence over an RB.

 

In a game of more than 1 scum, having 2 people survive to endgame doesn't guarantee anything.  In a game of possible 6 scum, 2 guaranteed to endgame means nothing.

 

Simply untrue.  Having two confirmed townies alive at any point that essentially can't be touched is UNGODLY powerful.

Actually now that I think of that, it doesn't mean nothing, but it is in no way ungodly powerful.  It just narrows the possibility of mislynching and gives people you can trust (but wont' necessarily be right).

Having 2/6 players at ML be clear means if you can clear 2 of the 4 remaining players through logic you've won the game.

 

You're arguing about literally nothing now. Go to bed.

[Arsis]

 

 

 

 

Rand, Tsuki has an ability that makes no sense for scum (it's likely he really did copy paste it from his PM due to the coloring) and Arsis claimed Thor specifically and Darthe posted his entire PM.

 

That's GOOD ENOUGH FOR NOW.

Yes. And now Tsuki's role is as good as ruined since no scum will ever fall into that. Arsis's role which most experienced players have already figured out can easily be nullified and played with. And thats happening every time a townie claims. In a game this big, here's what will happen. You three will most likely die one by one, we will be left with no clears when necessary, and your roles will be near useless.

Any means scum use to nullify my power exposes them or is protown.

what??

They hammer they are caught, no? Anything else they do to avoid it is a positive for the town?

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

 

If a doc protects me and claims and I protect them we can likely carry one another to endgame.  If I place my votes correctly each day then I can both cover myself and the doc and they can cover someone else seemingly indefinitely since a nexus takes precedence over an RB.

In a game of more than 1 scum, having 2 people survive to endgame doesn't guarantee anything.  In a game of possible 6 scum, 2 guaranteed to endgame means nothing.

 

Simply untrue.  Having two confirmed townies alive at any point that essentially can't be touched is UNGODLY powerful.

Actually now that I think of that, it doesn't mean nothing, but it is in no way ungodly powerful.  It just narrows the possibility of mislynching and gives people you can trust (but wont' necessarily be right).

Having 2/6 players at ML be clear means if you can clear 2 of the 4 remaining players through logic you've won the game.

 

You're arguing about literally nothing now. Go to bed.

 

Yeah that wasn't my best argument.  Still stand by my other points though.

[dawnflower8]

 

The tommy train is god tier right now and mine looks... not terrible but not great. I think some legit townies thinkim scummy this game like NB

 

 

Rhetoric.

 

 

 

The tommy train is god tier right now and mine looks... not terrible but not great. I think some legit townies thinkim scummy this game like NB

 

It's bottom tier because I'm an un-CC'd mason and you are... a hooligan who must be sacrificed to the galactus

 

I lol'd

 

 

 

 

Also, I am now certain that Darthe is scum. If he's not, he sure is playing weirdly.

 

 

But your vote is on Tommy? Are you certain of him at the same level?

Darthe is scummier at this point. Also, I don't think both are scum since their actions toward each other sound like distancing.

[unvote]

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

LOL WUT

 

Light, I am so embarrassed. I meant to say that it did not look like distancing. That post makes me look so clueless. Also, was "god tier" a Homestuck reference?

And if Darthe is town I think Dawn basically has to be scum, by the by

Explain why. Also, this is generally something I would say in a game that you'd complain about.

[Tsukibana]

K I give up, from my point of view, mafia's going to knock you all off one at a time, we're losing important PRs, and I do suspect that some sort of hammer role is a pattern among the town.

 

 

Nitpicking, maybe, but why  didn't you say "knock US off..."; second, you really think we can't cover our asses?

[Tommyrod]

Dice: that's nice.

 

Rand: I don't know why you've assumed everyone but you is a mafia noob and is lost up shit creek without your wisdom paddle but it's ridiculous. Just shush. Take a deep breath and maybe offer some advice tomorrow, what you said today isn't helping.

[Tommyrod]

Dawn: because you voted Darthe when his wagon got juicy and didn't even provide a reason.

[Tommyrod]

I'm going to bed too.

 

Remember: hammering is a scum claim.

[RandA lThor]

 

K I give up, from my point of view, mafia's going to knock you all off one at a time, we're losing important PRs, and I do suspect that some sort of hammer role is a pattern among the town.

 

 

Nitpicking, maybe, but why  didn't you say "knock US off..."; second, you really think we can't cover our asses?

 

Because I'm not talking about town in general, I'm talking about all the people that claimed that they had a hammer role + more.

[Arsis]

 

 

 

 

K I give up, from my point of view, mafia's going to knock you all off one at a time, we're losing important PRs, and I do suspect that some sort of hammer role is a pattern among the town.

 

 

 

Nitpicking, maybe, but why didn't you say "knock US off..."; second, you really think we can't cover our asses?

Because I'm not talking about town in general, I'm talking about all the people that claimed that they had a hammer role + more.

To be fair, that's how I took it.

[Tsukibana]

Yeah, I know. That is why I said nitpicking. TBH, I would have rather had an answer to the second part :P

[Arsis]

Rand it's great they have to take a shot at me because of my awesome role and I made myself a target but they can't for the same reason. Town can wifom scum as well.

[dawnflower8]

Dawn: because you voted Darthe when his wagon got juicy and didn't even provide a reason.

I still don't get how that gives you "one's scum and the other is not."

[Arsis]

It's dead now. I'm off to bed. Nolderp is still scum.

[RandA lThor]

Yeah, I know. That is why I said nitpicking. TBH, I would have rather had an answer to the second part :P

 

2nd Part Answer: I don't know if you can or not and please don't tell me, but I look at the worst case reasonable scenario from the information I have.

[Andrej]

Alright - I finally have some time to focus on this game now that I'm done with my other one.

 

Gonna devote a little time here considering our DL is tomorrow, expect a lengthy post or two after I've read up.

[Tsukibana]

 

Yeah, I know. That is why I said nitpicking. TBH, I would have rather had an answer to the second part :P

 

2nd Part Answer: I don't know if you can or not and please don't tell me, but I look at the worst case reasonable scenario from the information I have.

 

 

I respect pessimism.

[Myndrunner]

Peter Parker did not take the elevator to leave the office building of the Daily Bugle.  Instead, he ducked into a utility closet and shed his regular clothes for that of the Amazing one.  Within seconds, he was swinging from building to building, heading towards downtown when suddenly.....WHAM!!!  Everything went white for a brief moment, then blurry, then just before his head smacked the pavement, Parker regained full awareness and splattered a hasty web to catch himself. 

 

"Whoa," he gasped, "anyone get the license plate number of that harrier jet?"  He looked up to see three metallic aircraft, too small to be military planes, in a flight pursuit of.....a flying woman? "This, I gotta see" he chuckled as he dusted himself off.  A woman who nearly was crushed by his falling body stammered to ask if he was alright.  "Don't worry, ma'am, Spiders always land on our feet...all eight of them."

 

With that, Parker flicked his gooey webslinging up into the air and began to pursue the pursuers.  "Who is this flying babe" he asked himself, "and why is she being chased by three cyber creeps."  A loud explosion rocked one of the buildings ahead of him, then a partial face of one of the robot pursuers nearly grazed Parker's head.  "Make that TWO cyber creeps!" 

 

 

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Official Vote Count:

Darthe (8) - NotBob, Nolder, Vos, Dawn, Despothera, Songstress, TGlems, Hallia

Nolder (2) - Darthe, Tommy

Tommy (2) - Rand, TinaHel

Dicetosser (2) - Blackhoof, Keyholder

Tsukibana (2) - Andrej, Lenlo

Arsis (1) - Tsukibana

Red (1) - Xthrax

Rand (1) - WWWwombat

Dawn (1) - Red

 

Not Voting: everyone else

 

It is still Day 1 of Avengers 2 - Age of Ultron Mafia, which will end Thursday, August 7th at 20:00pm EST or when a majority lynch has been achieved.  This is a hammer game so the moment a majority lynch has been reached, the day will end and I will post the results as soon as I am available to do so.  No additional votes or unvotes will be counted after the majority has been reached. 

 

To vote, you must vote in the usual manner "[v ] VOTE [/v ]" and you must [unvote] before voting again. 

 

With 24 players in the game, it will take 13 votes to reach a majority.  Failure to reach a majority by the deadline will result in a random player being lynched. 

[RandA lThor]

wow just realized I'm still on Tommy [unvote]

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

 

Rand, Tsuki has an ability that makes no sense for scum (it's likely he really did copy paste it from his PM due to the coloring) and Arsis claimed Thor specifically and Darthe posted his entire PM.

 

That's GOOD ENOUGH FOR NOW.

Yes. And now Tsuki's role is as good as ruined since no scum will ever fall into that. Arsis's role which most experienced players have already figured out can easily be nullified and played with. And thats happening every time a townie claims. In a game this big, here's what will happen. You three will most likely die one by one, we will be left with no clears when necessary, and your roles will be near useless.

Any means scum use to nullify my power exposes them or is protown.

what??

They hammer they are caught, no? Anything else they do to avoid it is a positive for the town?

 

 

No. Obviously town has players with hammer abilities. you and tommy are talking about making those abilities useless. and worse you aren't talking like youd accept an explanation. your talking like "how DARE you! autolynch!"  that worries me.

 

you are also talking like you think ure confirmed or something., you arnt. 

[Andrej]

Still reading, got distracted a bit by some other stuff but I'm upwards around pg 95 now and frankly I'm a bit blown away by all this new info.

 

Still pressing, stand by.

[Andrej]

Dice is town in this game.  If he were scum he wouldn't toss out any opinion that didn't fit the status quo generally.  I think BH looks odd, he tends to try and figure out what is going on in the fringes of games as town and here he is actively attempting to influence main issues without fully involving himself.  

 

Still, I think Red is actually getting some traction so [v] Red [/v]

 

This is heavily meta reliant but I sort of agree with you based on my personal knowledge of Dice in past games.

 

I usually associate with Dice tunneling/being aggressive being a towntell for him.

 

 

@ len   missedc a tommy claim?"??  Which one??

 

 

there was Galactus    multiple times.

 

 there was a twin. 

 

there was a day cop view

 

now theres masons.

 

 

Somebody explain to me why after all these lies he has ANY credibility?  Why would anyone believe him now?

This isn't a townie. This is scum who is fixated on an outdated point and can't be bothered (or isn't capable of) developing his reads.

 

I see where you're coming from here, but I'm not sure you can really apply this same type of logic towards Dice - if that makes sense.

 

I don't think he looks necessarily GREAT for how he's handling you, but I'm getting the impression this is probably Dice with tunnel vision over a scummy Dice. I think with him if he actually backed down that would be more indicative than him actually sticking with his guns and arguing back with you.

 

 

Would be willing to get behind a Dice or TG lynch for today if Tsuki isn't going to happen.

 

Still don't think Tsuki's thought process is lining up. Already touched on what I perceived as a TMI slip (which apparently was a PR, so I'd be willing to drop that), but I still dislike his recap of Hallia's meta which points to her being town and his handling of Tom's claim and the subsequent conclusion it brought him to. Not to mention Hallia seems heavily coasting right now (which is par) but it makes his easy town read more suspect.

 

My thoughts echo Nolder's irt Dice's reasons for continuing to push Tom.

 

With TG I admit it would be more so a sponge read from others who I am leaning town on. I can agree on the point that his catch up post and following reads look like one of those scummy 'here's some content' sort of posts and there was a large lull in his gameplay from how he started out heavy with the spam and then died down (which could just be IRL stuff). I did catch early on how he said that normally he'd be willing to kickstart the game but instead was opting to continue spamming because it was Dawn 0, which pinged me then.

 

Still got a town read on AJ but emphasized looked kinda weird to me, bad tone ("I'd be willing to drop that")

 

AJ, care to espouse on that?

 

Yeah - my initial sus of Tsuki came on like p1/2 when he dropped a comment that read to me as somewhat TMI. Later he revealed that it was part of a PR that Mynd gave him for posting before the game started where he was supposed to 'buddy' up to other players.

 

 

Perhaps true. I was willing to pursue it. Show me how it's remotely alignment indicative of me. By all means, unless any of you KNOW his alignment you should either disagree or have no opinion. Nobody gives enough care to that post to think it warrants lynch and yet everyone is treating it like it essentially confirms me as scum. Does it? If it does, does it compared to a fake D1 cop claim? How?

Tommy isn't asking about your reads so much as he is asking how you formed them. He could disagree with your reads but if you have valid reasons he could say 'I don't agree but I can see how you could think that." you're not giving any reasons for your reads. You're throwing a fit and self voting. You're throwing out claims for no reason. Slow down, take a deep breath and try again.

 

Before finishing my reread (and subsequent claim fest) I liked this post a lot from Arsis, this felt like it's coming from a townie place.

 

 

 

 

 

Red do you have any objection to me sharing the reads list you PMed me during N0?

She called me her top townie. Awwww.

Oh really? Because I just so happened to get a similar PM from her, telling me I was her top town read as well? This should be good. I was tempted to reveal it because it felt like she overplayed her towniness in it to me,

DUN DUN DUN....

 

87 notifications since i started typing up my responses. its going to be one of those games ^_^

brief thoughts and list for lazy people who dont like to read my posts

Nolder - null. i dislike his attitude, but he had the same type of antagonistic attitude in the last game i played with him and flipped town, so null read on him for it. tbh the convo about "how to play" is more of a distraction than the fluff he was griping about.

what sticks out most is his vote, or rather lack of an unvote before using the code to re-vote Arsis. (if you go back and look, he voted Verb first using the code, after quoting the voting rule and then he didn't unvote) could be an intentional mis-vote tactic

Tommy - is still vibing town even after all of his antics. its a gut based read backed with meta reasons

Despo - is vibing town as well, which makes me question my scumdar XD

X - is starting to ping hardcore. before was just a pressure push, but he's not reacting great to pressure for me. not the scummiest person in game yet though, but he's near the top of my list.

1. his reaction to Wombat, and going after him for questioning TGI reeked tbh.

2. then there is his linking himself with Rand to defend himself

3. his tunneling on me D1. X is not a bulldog or a tunneler, so this OOC move of his out of the gate pinged. his first post of D1 is to vote me and give a reason that is backed by a misrep of my case on him. he ignores everything happening in regards of Nol and Tommy until he's prodded about it.

my vote however goes to [v]Dawn[/v] D1.

what appeared to be a TMI slip here is worth a vote and more pressure

 

If people started calling me Flower, that would be really weird. Even though Dawn isn't my actual name, half the time people IRL call me that anyway. Well, the confusion will now stop, since it's day.

[v]Tommy[/v]

His "I am Galactus" just looks like he's trying to make himself seem incredibly obvious. I bet his strategy here is to make people think "it would be too obvious if he's scum" and ignore him - which was his plan from the beginning, if he really is scum. I'm not sure if he is Galactus or not though. If scum told each other roles on their QT, then he'd know Galactus was in the game, even if it wasn't him. But I'm pretty certain he's scum.

If people started calling me Flower, that would be really weird. Even though Dawn isn't my actual name, half the time people IRL call me that anyway. Well, the confusion will now stop, since it's day.

[v]Tommy[/v]

His "I am Galactus" just looks like he's trying to make himself seem incredibly obvious. I bet his strategy here is to make people think "it would be too obvious if he's scum" and ignore him - which was his plan from the beginning, if he really is scum. I'm not sure if he is Galactus or not though. If scum told each other roles on their QT, then he'd know Galactus was in the game, even if it wasn't him. But I'm pretty certain he's scum.

bold - sounds like a case of TMI dawn. how do you know if Galactus is even in the game, or if he's scum.

his character is more of a 3rd party character if you go by his bio and Marvel canon. anti-town for sure, but even most villains in the Mavel universe would want to kill Galactus (even Thanos), so for you to make the assumption that he's scum and that the scum team would have known about Galactus, when Canon dictates otherwise ... this reeks of having TMI

 

 

Annnd Red. v.v'  All of the juicy things that've happened up to this point and you pick this to vote on?  It seem skinda weak.  I can kinda see what Dawn was trying to say.  She said IF, so I don't see what slip you're talking about.

  

Are you defending me or something here?

 

This response reminds me a lot of the last game I played with Dawn where she was a townie. She wasn't hugely proactive or contributive as town, but one thing I noticed was that she became quickly suspicious of those who seemed to be clearing/defending her. She even FOS'd me for taking the time to go back and read her ISO in full to clear her in a near Mylo situation.

 

[unvote]

 

Not sure about Darthe yet. 

 

A scum team involving Tina, Arsis, and Tommy is started to revolve in my thoughts.

 

This posts looks pretty bad now that I've read through completely. I quoted it originally because I wanted TG to clarify his thoughts on how he saw those 3 specifically, but now that I'm caught up it stands out even more.

 

Why not ok?

 

I haven't seen anything she's done to warrant a town read, thus she's fair game

 

I liked the effort you put forth earlier, but this kind of post doesn't read well to me.

 

If she hasn't done something to warrant a town read, that's fine, but that should essentially put her at null for you instead of becoming an easily acceptable lynch.

 

Tommy on fire atm

 

Darthe the worst meltdowns I've ever seen from you that were legit were...not meltdowns.

You kinda just quit. But you do put up quite a fight when you're still playing.

Doesn't come off as genuine sorry. And you know how I am about self vote so you're basically dead to me already.

 

BTW I don't know why you're complaining about people not treating your role claim as some kind of god tier confirmed gift from the mod.

It's a claim of bodyguard. Like wtf m8. It's a pretty crappy role. We know you have two roles so you didn't even reveal the other one. Oh and also you're mum on your character for no god damn reason?? When it could maybe vet your stupid BG claim? If you really didn't care you would have spilled your guts and then laughed the whole time about how stupid everyone was not crater on Tommy for questioning you which btw you did a terrible job of answering pretty much every time if you even DID answer.

 

Dunno why votes peeled off you and I find it highly suspicious. 

 

I could see where Nolder was coming from as I read this going through - it looks bad considering the new info we've gained but I'm not sure Nolder would be able to fake this sort of frustration(?) as scum. It comes across to me as genuine although his tone is a bit abrasive.

 

Why are people not JUMPING at Hallys überscummy Tina-vote???

 

This post was actually 'uberscummy' and continues to fit with how you seem to be rather overly aggressive ITT. I can understand where you might think the quick building of Tina's wagon would be suspect, but it also seems that you're willing to dump whatever read you might have had on Hallia before (after her catch up posts) to latch onto her vote. Seems opportunistic to me.

 

 

 

Better question for Tsuki - if you have concluded that Tom is likely not town because of his character claim, why aren't you voting him?

 

Because in this game, there are probably third party roles that win with town. Why is that so hard to understand? The Avengers have Allies, you know...

 

 

This makes no sense from a mafia standpoint.  You don't let 3rd parties slide just because they might be able to win with the town.  Not unless you're Csarmi, that is.  If you legit think Tommy is 3rd party, you should be voting him.  If you don't you should either shut up about it or tell us who your scumbuddies are.

 

I agree with Womby here, his logic fits with mine. I guess it sort of turns out Tsuki is just more of a scummy townie than actual scum - but yeah. The behavior here certainly warranted suspicion imo.

 

 

@Darthe. That's an interesting point. I like it when people comment on my meta, since i rarely feel like i have one aha. Its been ages since I've played proper games of mafia though and i literally cannot remember what i did in them haha.

 

Got lynched D1 would probably be a safe bet.

 

lol'd

 

 

My ability is pretty neat.

 

I've alluded to it a few times.

 

But if we want to confirm Darthe's alignment, I can do so... but the day will end in a no-lynch.

 

He self voted.

That's pretty much a death sentence in my eyes.

FWIW I prefer you leave him in the hole he dug.

 

I've seen you do this in another game where we were scumbros and you pushed someone's lynch (Jack) for the same thing. I have a feeling that this argument is largely null irt to you and your stubborn way of viewing mafia ethics, but it still alarms me.

 

Forced policy lynches always bother me.