[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Lenlo]

 

Id prefer Tsuki over TG. I dont think TGs play with the avi was scummy, it was just another of his jokes at me, and im not buying what they are selling with his tommy push. Tsuki on the other hand has overreacted to alot of stuff imo and there were afew jumps he made that I didnt like.

Bold – What about his seemingly random vote for Tsuki after analyzing others? His Hallia town lean? His extra attention to Vos? His not commenting on Red’s post regarding Vos & Tsuki?

 

Could you elaborate on those jumps that Tsuki has made that you didn’t like?

 

The random vote for Tsuki is the only part of it that pinged me, but im also voting for Tsuki whom I think is scum, so I wanna see how that turns out before assuming to much with it. For the Hallia and Vos whats the problem with those? He has someone as a town lean and hes paying extra attention to Vos because he thinks he might be scummy. I dont see anything wrong with that. Was Reds post aimed at him? Otherwise whats the problem? I and many others didnt comment on it either yet were not getting grilled for it.

 

Ill find the Tsuki stuff later.

[Xthrax]

 Firstly, I don't think I was asking others for their reads, I have formed my own. What I ask others is there reason for their reads for others because I want to find their motives and whether or not it is opportunistically and scummy. And that is because I don't have beforehand knowledge. Town asks questions because when the game starts they don't know anything other than the fact that they're town.

how do i know you're forming your own reads though X. i can only go by whats on thread and all i see, aside form you defending yourself against me, is asking people what their thoughts are.

 

it doesn't vibe as you scum hunting, and you aren't posting your own thoughts. it vibes as you trying to gather other peoples reads without making your own and without scum hunting so that you can appear active while not helping at all.

 

And what on the thread made you think that I asking people for their thoughts. It's clear I didn't ask people for their thoughts. I  didn't ask all the people who I questioned who they thought was scum. The only one I asked to was AJ because in his catch-up post he missed a person. And when didn't  I post my own thoughts? When I catch up, I post my opinion on things that attracts my interest.

 

 

 

 

these two are directed at wombat.

 

i find the defending TG ultron ping worthy.

 

he out right attacks womby over the avatar thing, getting defensive about it and even snarky. and the thing is, Womby wasn't even FoSing him, he was FoSing TG for starting the whole thing.

 

why is he grilling womby on this on TG behalf?

I question Wombat because I don't agree with him fos'ing TG. At that point I had been given that avatar to wear as Post restriction. So I thought the same had happened for others. And do tell me how I acted snarky and over-defensive when all I told him was he could look at the names. Please do

 

it was the way you told him, the tone, it came off as snarky. and i never said over defensive, i said that you were vibing defensive.

 

meaning Womby posted a general "too many people with the same avitar is confusing"

 

and you went "COME AT ME BRO" at him.

 

 

i get that your claiming your avi was a PR from the mod, but that still doesn't explain why instead of just stating that you first went for defending TG against Womby's FoS.

 

 I don't know how you come across it as snarky. I told him that he could look at the names instead of avatars. I didn't because that wasn't a primary issue for me. 

 

I mentioned the TG fos with Wombat sometime before I mentioned I got a PR. After that Tommy asked to reduce the no. of Lenlo's, then I mentioned the PR.

 

So how does this ping for you?

 

 

 

 

this was always remarked on by others, but how is asking if someone is scum a trap by scum? Tina responded that it can be used by LD's and X even agreed.

 

so if its a tactic that can actually out scum, how is it bad for the town or a scum tactic?

I agree with what Tina pointed out. But I don't like it because I've seen it used frequently by mafia.

 

but you've also seen it used by town as well, correct? you're main point wasn't that you've seen it used by scum more, it was that you felt it was a trap and that only scum trap townies (this was in response to tommy btw)

 

you're only looking at the question itself and applying other games to this assumption to discredit it; and ywhatour not looking at the context in the way its used.

 

any tactic can be used by scum or town, that doesn't mean the person using the tactic is scum. its how they were using the tactic. and the context here had a town vibe to it (not to mention i've seen tommy do it in 2 games now and both games he rolled town; i'm assuming he does it as scum to, which is why i say context is more important)

 

you trying to write it off without taking into account context, while at the same time agreeing with Tina that it can help the town especially in the case of a LD, is a contradiction. you acknowledge that its a potentially useful tool for the town but try to discredit it anyways.

 

  Actually no. Like I've said before, I've seen it twice and both the times by mafia. And it was used by mafia effectively to discredit, misconstrue and mislynch. It can help in an LD but that is a fact. My personal opinion is that scum use it quite more effectively than town since that's what I've seen happen.

 

 

 

this was in response to me grilling him over the PR claim. 2 pings are the bold

 

his first reaction is to dig for info on what PR i got.

 

and then he mentions Rand out of the blue to support himself, which comes off as him saying he knows what Rands PR is and that they got the same thing. i dislike how he links himself with Rand and uses Rand as a shield.

I asked you for it because you said that you recieved a PR too. What's wrong in asking? And Rand mentioned that he had got a PR. He also had the anti-lenlo avi. So I thought it was the same as mine.

 

 

nothings wrong with asking, but it was your knee jerk reaction to my digging. you wanted more info on my PR rather than trying to prove your townieness to a person pressuring you. ie: you're more concerned with fishing than clearing your name.

 

 

rand was also posting celeb names in his posts and the "i dont know what i'm doing" gif/pics as well in this posts. you over looked these and used something convenient as a shield and to connect him to you.

I said that I got a PR and then I asked what you got since you said that you did.

 

I didn't think that was a PR. He did something which I did for a PR so thought both was the same.

 

 

 

 

 

See, right here is the tone change. I don't like this one bit.

 

I don't like apologetic tones. To me that's only scum.

 

But here it's more. There is partly that to seem understanding but just enough bbulldog to seem on meta.

 

If you are wrong, you come straight out with a I was wrong or persist in I was right. I don't like a mish-mash of both

here he is trying to make me scummy irregardless of how i act. not to mention the misrep on me as well

 

It's not making you scummy regardless of anything. It's because you already acted scummy according to what I believe is acting scummy. You tried to fake your meta IMO. And how did I misrep you, do tell

 

your mis rep was claiming i was apologetic. i've already explained this btw i'm not repeating myself.

 

and it is trying to paint me as scummy irregardless of how i act, and you're continuing to do it in the post i responded to from you before this one.

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Red[/v]

For her reaction. Not the case but what came after. After conclusive evidence was shown but her insistence for pushing later with nonsensical reasoning.

 

But mainly for her comments. A partial attempt to reinforce her bulldog meta. Itseemed as partly trying to seem understanding but also trying to fake her meta so that no one tries to call that out

and then D1 starts and he comes out of the gate with this. no mention on current events, nothing commented even as of yet about Nol and totally ignoring the character claims over the night from Tommy.

 

its out of character (OOC) for X. he's trying to be a bulldog and he's tunneling on me. this is not in his playstyle at all and it pings as to why he'd suddenly be switching up playstyles.

 

I didn't comment about Nol because for me his stance is not alignment indicative. If you notice after you, I commented on Tommy. It's not switching my playstyles. you're right for that one, I'm not a bulldog. I found you scummy. So what should I do, wait for a few days then vote? I like to be pro-active.

 

you are bulldogging on me and tunneling on me. you're not focusing on "scum hunting" or "casing" on anyone but me. this is what it means to bulldog and tunnel.

 

regardless of what you think of his stance, you didn't mention it or others reactions to it at all.

which is OOC for you. you have a tendencies to remark on major events, if anything to atleast give your POV on the situation.

 

you not even doing that until it was remarked on, pings.

 

 

 

 

There are two things conflicting me right now, Tommy. You could be a jester using Galactus as a fake claim to get lynched. But there is something else too.

 

This is a 24 player game, I'm guessing lynch is 13 players. You need 6 more votes to be lynched. If you were Jester, you would not have needed to say anything. There are bound to be some more sheep who would follow others. Or you would have thrown the thread into more confusion.

 

Or you could be scum like some others believe. There are two trains of thought here-You are a townie who was trolling. Or you are scum who tried to be too smart. On normal occasions, I would have gone with the less obvious-that you are town. But from my game, scum can execute dumb moves and pull it off because town thinks scum wouldn't be that dumb. I'm Wifom'ing myself here but I like this puzzle

he's fence sitting on Tommy and it comes off as forced and needing to post "thoughts" about Tommy given he came out of the gate swinging at me and ignored recent events so he doesn't get FoSd over it.

 

Would you call speaking aloud and letting everyone know what you think is fence-sitting? If so, then yeah. Because I don't. And what about it seems forced? I focused on you because you were a scum read and I like to focus on something definite I have instead of going on something less sure.

 

its the remarks you made that are fence sitting. you didnt take a clear stance on tommy and instead waffled the possibilities, claiming its possible he's scum, 3rd party or scum (even saying: "On normal occasions, I would have gone with the less obvious-that you are town.") and giving reasons why but not taking a set stance

 

first you think he might be a jester,

 

but then you dismiss the jester idea because "you would not have needed to say anything. There are bound to be some more sheep who would follow others. Or you would have thrown the thread into more confusion." (ie: he spoke to much or didn't troll enough)

 

next he might be scum being brazen or being stupid. then you throw in this "On normal occasions, I would have gone with the less obvious-that you are town."

 

say what?? on normal occasions? do you mean like "if you were town in this occasion?" and if its the less obvious, why would you go with it?

 

 

 

 

also going over it again, this particular bit gives me the eeby jeebys

 

"There are bound to be some more sheep who would follow others."

 

bound to be more sheep.

 

this implies that you know the votes on tommy are bogus. tmi slip?

 

Bold-I already explained how I find you scummy. It's a mix of both understanding and meta which seems to is there to just reinforce your meta

 

Italics-I have commented and pointed out many other things which I find scummy and don't like. If I find something neutral, why should comment on it. To say I think it neutral?

 

Underlined-I already told you, it was my thought process out loud. I didn't dismiss any of my 3 options. It was all different things to consider. And finally, normal circumstance means before how Tommy played in my game. It's right there, in the sentence next to this.

[Xthrax]

 

 

this is reaching and proof that X isn't reading Mynds scenes imo

 

he then proceeds to start pushing at tommy and interrogating tommy while leaving his vote on me

Such a subtle omgus. I left my vote on you because I find you more scummy. And apparently you feel some sort of danger very quickly with even just one vote on you.Why so panicky Red? Is it because it has some merit? And FYI, at the time of my post, nowhere had Mynd mentioned the Twins.

 

lol this isn't panicky read, this is "red is casing a scum" red. my tone would be much more different if i was panicky.

 

and yes at the time of this post he had mentioned the twins.

 

and fyi - theres nothing in there that is OMGUSy. mostly it was to highlight your interrogation and focus on tommy so that people could see the tone change once you backed off of him very quickly.1

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you sure? Sure you won't change to another Marvel character?

this was directed at Tommy. notice the snark in it. again this is OOC for X imo

 

I can't make fun? I was poking fun at Tommy for his repeated changes. I was teasing him for his claims.

 

you generally dont. so when you do its OOC and pings. kinda liek how me changing my style and listing my town reads in the open is throwing many people for a loop2

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are the Witch - Only one with reason to have people on your train is for mind-buggery.

He could be Quicksilver? He could be anyone. But why do you strongly believe he's one of the twins?

 

this is an example of what i mean about interrogation and more interested in grilling peolpe and fishing for info, rather than scum hunting

 

What would you call scummy Red? To me it's asking questions, find stuff out, analysing people's questions based on their answer etc. Only scum don't need to ask questions because they know stuff already. To me people who don't want others asking questions are scum, which you seem to be.

 

if you dont know what i call scummy by now, then you never will XD

 

asking question is fine, but when its the only thing your doing aside from defending yourself then theres a problem.3

 

 

 

 

then a 180 on tone towards Tommy.

 

he goes from interrogating tommy and trying to cast doubt on tommy directly, to backing off and being friendly.

 

its like he's scared to be confrontational out in the open.

Refer 5

 

your response of "I can't make fun? I was poking fun at Tommy for his repeated changes. I was teasing him for his claims."

 

doesn't explain the

 

- tone change

- the way you started approaching tommy

- nor does it address the feeling of you appearing to not want to be combative out in front, only when its behind snarkiness4

 

1-It looks very panicky to me. You seem very eager to get that one vote off you.

 

2-When I'm all caught up and have noting to do, I like to have fun.

 

3-If you care to read the rest of my posts, you'll notice the many different posts in which I have given my views and judgement.

 

4-Trying to have some fun and joking does not in anyway diminish my read on Tommy. At that point, we were pretty much done talking on that subject. I am pretty combative out front. The fact is that you are only looking at my posts on Tommy.

 

Ok I tried to respond to the first few posts by editing them out from the big spoiler but after that it became tiresome.

I tried to take quotes out separtely but not possible. If somebody could tell me, would be great. 

 

Regarding the sheep thing in previous post-I did mention 'cause people like Dice, Tina were sheeping with no reason given other than Galactus is bad.

[Tommyrod]

That's right, Dice is a sneaky little liar.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Dice[/v]

[Tyler Glembo]

I'm losing track of this game.

 

TG, do you promise me you aren't scum? I'll vote elsewhere if you can shake this doubt off me.

 

Yes I'm town, but Ic ant convince you of my role or alignment, you're going to have to figure out I'm town by looking at my posts. 

 

 

Bold – What about his seemingly random vote for Tsuki after analyzing others? His Hallia town lean? His extra attention to Vos? His not commenting on Red’s post regarding Vos & Tsuki?

Could you elaborate on those jumps that Tsuki has made that you didn’t like?

 

 

@Key - Feel free to ask me about these, even though I've already responded on some of them.  Also, claiming my vote on Tsuki is random is a blatant misrep since I talked about him the line right before I voted him.

[Xthrax]

It's pretty late so gonna sleep. I have some formed reads. Both town and scummy. But I have a lot of nulls too, people in the background. I'll Iso them and post it tomorrow

[keyholder21]

 

Bold – What about his seemingly random vote for Tsuki after analyzing others? His Hallia town lean? His extra attention to Vos? His not commenting on Red’s post regarding Vos & Tsuki?

 

Could you elaborate on those jumps that Tsuki has made that you didn’t like?

The random vote for Tsuki is the only part of it that pinged me, but im also voting for Tsuki whom I think is scum, so I wanna see how that turns out before assuming to much with it. For the Hallia and Vos whats the problem with those? He has someone as a town lean and hes paying extra attention to Vos because he thinks he might be scummy. I dont see anything wrong with that. Was Reds post aimed at him? Otherwise whats the problem? I and many others didnt comment on it either yet were not getting grilled for it.

 

Ill find the Tsuki stuff later.

 

Sure, town lean on someone is fine. But his entire basis was due to her, according to him, very early “I’m town” statement. How is that enough for a lean? And why focus on it at all? She hasn't been involved in the thread very much.

 

Re: vos – he has since said that he thought Vos is town, so do you have another idea as to why he would focusing so much on one person? It just seemed like he was focusing on Vos a lot and it looked off to me.

 

Red’s post – nope, wasn’t aimed at him. I just find it suspect when people take a post like that and only respond about themselves. If he was concerned about Vos & Tsuki at the time, it’s interesting that he didn’t comment about where she had them on her list.

 

 

Bold – What about his seemingly random vote for Tsuki after analyzing others? His Hallia town lean? His extra attention to Vos? His not commenting on Red’s post regarding Vos & Tsuki?

 

Could you elaborate on those jumps that Tsuki has made that you didn’t like?

@Key - Feel free to ask me about these, even though I've already responded on some of them. Also, claiming my vote on Tsuki is random is a blatant misrep since I talked about him the line right before I voted him.

 

I know you’ve responded to them. I was asking what Len thought of those things, since he seemed to think only your exchange with Tommy was being discussed.

 

I don’t think it’s a misrep because despite your “talking about him in the line right before” it seems random. You discuss others’ alignments in your posts and then vote him, without stating his name in the “reason”, and without the reason being clear (to many of us, since I am not the only one that has brought this up) as to why you were choosing him over your “slight scum salad”.

 

I'm going to try and get time to read through X's game that you referenced, but you look scummy to me so far in this game.

[Lenlo]

Whats wrong with a lean? That could be anything from a slightly town to almost sure shes town but have a nibbling doubt. For Reds thing I do that all the time, take the parts directed at/about me and respond to those. Otherwise responding to every WoT that has something about someone youve cased before would take up to much time and probably not be worth it.

[keyholder21]

X - Re: separating quotes

 

 

 

I tried to take quotes out separtely but not possible. If somebody could tell me, would be great.

It’s easiest if you use the little light switch in the left corner of the chatbox to get to the code. Then, if you copy it into a word processor, you can go through it a little easier since you can see more of the screen.

 

When I am part and parceling, I copy the first line (where it says [quoite name=”Xthrax, etc. ] (spelled quote wrong so I could get it to stay without making a quote box) and paste that above every piece of your post I want to discuss. Then, when I’m done discussing that part, I end the quote with [ /quote].

 

When I find a different piece I want to discuss, I past the quote name line above it again, end your quote with [ /quote] and then type my response.

 

As an example:

 

[quote name="Xthrax" post="3307326" timestamp="1407239036"]
something that you said
[/quote]

Blah blah blah how I feel.

then, another piece of the same quote. I paste the same "quote name" line as listed previously, above this next part of your post:

[quote name="Xthrax" post="3307326" timestamp="1407239036"]
something else you said
[/quote]

blah blah blah about this piece.

 

Does that make sense?

 

 

[keyholder21]

Whats wrong with a lean? That could be anything from a slightly town to almost sure shes town but have a nibbling doubt. For Reds thing I do that all the time, take the parts directed at/about me and respond to those. Otherwise responding to every WoT that has something about someone youve cased before would take up to much time and probably not be worth it.

Because it seemed like something just casual thrown in. It looked out of place.

 

Maybe that's par for the course for you. Seems to me like if you thought someone was scummy or worth looking into, you might be curious as to why someone else has whatever view they have on them.

[Tyler Glembo]

I know you’ve responded to them. I was asking what Len thought of those things, since he seemed to think only your exchange with Tommy was being discussed.

 

I don’t think it’s a misrep because despite your “talking about him in the line right before” it seems random. You discuss others’ alignments in your posts and then vote him, without stating his name in the “reason”, and without the reason being clear (to many of us, since I am not the only one that has brought this up) as to why you were choosing him over your “slight scum salad”.

 

I'm going to try and get time to read through X's game that you referenced, but you look scummy to me so far in this game.

 

 

Given that I stated what he said I figured it was clear who I was talking about even without saying his name.  Saying I didn't specifically use his name is a stretch.

 

As for engaging Lenlo, totally legit, go HAM

[Niniel]

 

I have been away for a day and tried to caught up on phone. It´s a lot to read and everything melted together. I have know idea who said who. It would be very helpful if everyone write a short post about who they suspect and why.

 

I think it was Des who asked - yes, my pr was to change avi during the dawn. 

 

Nolder asked Arsis if he gets some powers if he hammers too. As in Nolder having that ability too? Do you think we could have two town players that gets powers from hammering? I´m doubting it but this is of course a Mynd game.

 

What about these siblings that Tommy is supposed to be one of - are they good or bad? It sound like they could be town, third party or mafia? 

 

The siblings are likely bad, at best 3rd party, from my understanding of the canon.

 

 

Thanks for answering one of my questions. Is it something that the majority can agree with? Because if so, I don´t understand why there aren´t more people voting Tommy. Can you give me a quick version of your reads?

 

 

I have been away for a day and tried to caught up on phone. It´s a lot to read and everything melted together. I have know idea who said who. It would be very helpful if everyone write a short post about who they suspect and why.

 

I think it was Des who asked - yes, my pr was to change avi during the dawn.

 

Nolder asked Arsis if he gets some powers if he hammers too. As in Nolder having that ability too? Do you think we could have two town players that gets powers from hammering? I´m doubting it but this is of course a Mynd game.

 

What about these siblings that Tommy is supposed to be one of - are they good or bad? It sound like they could be town, third party or mafia?

Noldor was role fishing. He actually hasn't done anything all game. He's been sitting back after his nonsense during dawn. He rushed out the gate after me... Then popping up to role fish and nothing else. Certainly not scum hunting. He's still high on my scum list.

 

 

Thank you. Where did Nolder role fish and who did he want to know the role of? Sorry, but I´m really lost in this game. 

[Lenlo]

 

Whats wrong with a lean? That could be anything from a slightly town to almost sure shes town but have a nibbling doubt. For Reds thing I do that all the time, take the parts directed at/about me and respond to those. Otherwise responding to every WoT that has something about someone youve cased before would take up to much time and probably not be worth it.

Because it seemed like something just casual thrown in. It looked out of place.

 

Maybe that's par for the course for you. Seems to me like if you thought someone was scummy or worth looking into, you might be curious as to why someone else has whatever view they have on them.

 

Oh yes interested Key. It doesnt mean I dont read what they write, I just have no reason to respond to it.

 

Besides I would think if someone was making a WoT like Reds they would include why they thought that person was either town/scum, thus leaving me with little to nothing to ask.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Darthe dead yet?

[Arsis]

 

 

 

 

I have been away for a day and tried to caught up on phone. It´s a lot to read and everything melted together. I have know idea who said who. It would be very helpful if everyone write a short post about who they suspect and why.

 

I think it was Des who asked - yes, my pr was to change avi during the dawn.

 

Nolder asked Arsis if he gets some powers if he hammers too. As in Nolder having that ability too? Do you think we could have two town players that gets powers from hammering? I´m doubting it but this is of course a Mynd game.

 

What about these siblings that Tommy is supposed to be one of - are they good or bad? It sound like they could be town, third party or mafia?

The siblings are likely bad, at best 3rd party, from my understanding of the canon.

Thanks for answering one of my questions. Is it something that the majority can agree with? Because if so, I don´t understand why there aren´t more people voting Tommy. Can you give me a quick version of your reads?

 

I have been away for a day and tried to caught up on phone. It´s a lot to read and everything melted together. I have know idea who said who. It would be very helpful if everyone write a short post about who they suspect and why.

 

I think it was Des who asked - yes, my pr was to change avi during the dawn.

 

Nolder asked Arsis if he gets some powers if he hammers too. As in Nolder having that ability too? Do you think we could have two town players that gets powers from hammering? I´m doubting it but this is of course a Mynd game.

 

What about these siblings that Tommy is supposed to be one of - are they good or bad? It sound like they could be town, third party or mafia?

Noldor was role fishing. He actually hasn't done anything all game. He's been sitting back after his nonsense during dawn. He rushed out the gate after me... Then popping up to role fish and nothing else. Certainly not scum hunting. He's still high on my scum list.

Thank you. Where did Nolder role fish and who did he want to know the role of? Sorry, but I´m really lost in this game.

I'm at the gym. It's just little subtle things. Like "oh your power is hammer as well" there was something else I'll have to go back and look for when I get home that was similar that looked back because I was looking hard at him.

[Niniel]

Okay, I will be waiting for it. For what it´s worth, I also read your hammer willingness as getting a power when hammering. 

[nervositee]

Darthe dead yet?

 

Nope.

 

Speaking of. I'm very interested to see if we'll ever be able to reach a 13 people majority. 

[Niniel]

Darthe dead yet?

 

Why are you voting him? Any other suspects?

[Arsis]

Okay, I will be waiting for it. For what it´s worth, I also read your hammer willingness as getting a power when hammering.

I wasn't being subtle about it. I just felt like he was trying to bait me into oversharing. Like I said, I think he's scummy so it could color how I see him. That aside, I just don't like his overall tone and lack of content coupled with that and his dawn shenanigans

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Darthe dead yet?

 

Nope.

 

Speaking of. I'm very interested to see if we'll ever be able to reach a 13 people majority. 

 

 

Not without a deadline.  Do we have one?  Also, who you voting for?  

 

Why not join the Darthe Train?

 

Now I've been crying lately, thinking about the world as it is

Why must we go on hating, why can't we live in bliss

[Darthe]

^Wants to kill townies

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Darthe dead yet?

 

Why are you voting him? Any other suspects?

 

 

1.  Most pro-town move in all of mafiadom.

 

2.  I like to hunt one at a time.  You know, a bird in the hand beats two in the bush.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

^Wants to kill townies

 

Tell me again why you trapped DT with that fake result only to see two scum hammer him and then you could not believe scum would pull such a move then you pied piper the town toward my lynch.  

 

Great story.

[Niniel]

 

 

Darthe dead yet?

 

Why are you voting him? Any other suspects?

 

 

1.  Most pro-town move in all of mafiadom.

 

2.  I like to hunt one at a time.  You know, a bird in the hand beats two in the bush.

 

 

That was not very informative.

[Darthe]

Cause obviously scum played significantly better games than you.  

 

Obviously.