[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Tyler Glembo]

Darthe: Straight out, do you not understand what I'm getting at or are you misrepping on purpose? Did you and TG decide in scum QT to stear me into D1 mislynch?

 

Side-note: I'm packing and running around preparing to go to Copenhagen this weekend. My posts will be a bit sparse and rushed from now and until midweek next week. Sorry about that. 

 

Don't know why you're throwing me in here.  I have had a town lean on you so far. 

[Tyler Glembo]

@Key -  That said, you made a comment a while back about my playstyle in the ABBA game and town.  You should check out Xthrax recent game for a completely different town playstyle from me.

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Tress already pointed out how strange it is for Red to be giving out town reads this early (and I touched on this as well earlier, and how this fits her scum meta), but what is even MOAR peculiar is the people she contacted- Lenlo, Tommy, myself, and .... Xthrax I think? Anyways point is 2 of those people Red would normally be a lot moar combative towards, I know she relishes any opportunity to try and "catch" me as scum when she is town, and after seeing her interact with Tommy for a bit I get the same feeling. And yet she instead reaches out thru PM to those two people.... doesn't look right to me. Plus she pm's Lenlo and says he was one of her top town reads.... and I see absolutely nothing in the thread that could have given her that indication.

I think it makes sense that she would reach out to people that she would be more “combative” of via PM.

 

Are you going to share your PM?

 

 

 

 

I'm treating Tsuki as town because

 

a) he's been around all morning talking to me and pushing the fact that my character should be scum as if he found something he really believed in

 

b) I remember him as a scummy townie in past games and he sometimes has good tone

 

c) he's catching a lot of heat early, with people like Tress popping in to take jabs at him. That has me on alert.

a) legit

 

b) weak meta is weak

 

c) that is way too simple. If anything you should be wary of early distancing and you should be more sus of Tress than town on Tsuki.

 

More importantly, this post fails the tone test since it seems like TG is more perturbed about the way Tommy is trying to scumhunt or make connections than he is interested in fleshing out Tommy's alignment. Like he's mad that Tommy isn't suspecting the right people or something.

 

Good point.

 

 

Scum or not, you just became the coolest person in this thread. In fact, I'ma go watch boondocks and forget about playing the rest of the night.

TG fails the tone test here for somewhat unnecessarily adding in the "Scum or not" line, like he's overly concerned with keeping up appearances

 

Eh. This is a stretch, des.

 

 

I've mainly been focusing on you this game, I'll admit. But here are some things I've noticed from a few other players:

 

Darthe has been playing differently, and is strangely quiet. I am not sure how he plays as scum, but this is very different from how I've seen him play town.

 

I am pretty confident Red is town. Her play seems different from when I've played with her as scum. None of her reads have seemed to have scummy reasoning, at least from what I've looked at (although some posts I have skimmed over a bit)

 

This one I don't really have any reasoning for, but gut feeling says Tsuki is town. His gameplay is exactly the same as every game I've been in with him as town. I don't have a clue on how he plays as scum though.

FOS @ Dawn for two things in this post- parroting what others say about peeps (as in Darthe's case) and then repeating a very similar phrase she used for Darthe to use with Tsuki- I don't know how he plays as scum. Fails tone test in a pretty major way, like Dawn is trying to hedge her bets with her reads, and ditch responsibility for giving actual game thoughts on people, and instead falling back on repeating stuff others are saying or saying she doesn't know how someone plays or w/e (when as a newbie, she shouldn't even be that concerned with meta)

 

I’ve never really played with Dawn before, but she comes off as incredibly new and you even say above that she is. So this feels like you are going after the “low hanging fruit” to mention a phrase that was used earlier. I think it’s normal that she would discuss meta when it’s been thread culture for the entirety of the game.

 

Something I forgot to point out about TG before I ran audit earlier- when he was asking Tommy why he felt so town on Tsuki, it read more like TG trying to fish for Tommy's twin than trying to see if it was a legit read or not

Looked more to me like he was questioning Tommy. I think this is a stretch, too.

 

1 - (about the "freudian slip"). You caught me in bad phrasing. Let me try to clarify what I meant: You went after X hardcore pre-game (dawn). But you are a hardcore player so everything on point. However you seemed even more determined than ever, analyzing timezones and discerning code formatting At this point my thoughts where that you seemed like you were trying abit too hard, but nothing to worry about.

 

Then the timezones where resolved. He was in +5,5 or something. Then you dismissed it, dismissed the code formatting and just made up a new case on him. That pinged hardcore. Instead of being BullzoderRed you went into "I'm trying to maintain my meta, so I won't quit even though my jumping at a 'townslip' failed".

 

2 - Misrep here. I didn't defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, but FoS'ed Arsis for dodging a question AND my discrediting of Tommys claim is now null since all of Tommys claims are just trolling. Besides I explicitly said "town playing out gambits and lie", so even though I'm a bit worn out by Tommy's trolling his claims, I believe he is town.

 

Thirdly, eyerolls at you responding to me thinking you are scum by suddenly saying I'm howling and moving me into scumpile by picking out two posts you can twist around. Doesn't make you look better in my book.

1. I can kinda see what you mean, but it still looks really bad.

2. That’s what I pulled from your post.

3. Red does that no matter what. Null tell, imo.

 

"Lynch for info" is one of the most overused scum arguments to lead town into mislynches.

Anyone who's town better find better reasons than "info" to lynch someone or you're letting your team down.

 

FYI Dice your other reasons aren't actually reasons.

What does being "unhelpful" even mean? Is he supposed to help you? Me? Anyone? We're all unconfirmed.

And besides what is he supposed to be "helping" us with? This is baseless rhetoric.

 

Notice that a bunch others have kept their votes on you too.

And this is appeal to bandwagon.

Haven't seen that in mafia in a long time.

 

I like this post.

 

 

1 - (about the "freudian slip"). You caught me

Amazed nobody pointed this out. It's not a normal way to speak and is a pretty obvious sign of a guilty conscious. Also that last scene was about me.

 

[v] vos [/v]

 

Parsing sentences is crazy scummy. It’s also something I have never seen you do, and feels like an amateur move.

 

 

 

 

I wanna agree here. Really really really. But at this point, I think all that will lead to is a bitch fight after EndGame. #howtoplayMafia

Should maybe have emphasized ALL THAT WILL LEAD TO. Ie. I don't think it'll lead anywhere (except said bitch fight).

 

So...you really really really want to agree, but you aren't agreeing? If you think he should be lynched, then why not vote for him? I'm confused, even with the capitals.

 

 

What about TG gives you your town read?

 

I’ll come back to the Red paragraph.

 

What does “gonna be a wild card this game” mean when referring to Arsis?

 

1 - Yes. I want to, but I don't think it's the best course of action for town. I want everyone who troll one way or another out of the way because they are distracting gameplay, which is what I think Tommy has done a lot of this game. And I don't think he can show a lot of info from it either. But I think he is trolling as town, and I don't want to lynch town, even if they don't play like I would want to. That would be selfish, poor play and a huge disservice to town.

 

It's like someone driving past you shouting an insult at you. You want to pick up a rock and throw it through their windshield. But you really don't want to, because the negative consequences outweigh the positives - and it's really not a constructive thing to do.

 

(to Darthe who just posted: saying I wanna, but I don't think it'll lead anywhere should be clear enough that I don't think he will flip scum. ie. I read him as town. I don't see how that is reinforcing Tommys lynch.)

 

2 - View on TG has changed since. But it was mainly tone/gut read.

 

Wild card being he has a vastly different playstyle from me, comes with short aggrivated posts and I have no friggin' clue how to read him. He reads like someone I'd read as scum even if he was town. It's annoying but that's where I am. Makes it easy for him to coast and dangerous to lynch.

 

Okay. I can easily follow this. Makes me feel slightly better about you.

 

This was in conjunction with another post of his that I found pretty solid. It tells me that he's analyzing and although his post count is low whenever he does it's generally on topic and offers something insightful. Good vibes, in other words.

 

Do you agree or disagree?

I disagree, though I may be colored by his view of Tina, as I don’t think her commentary has been particularly helpful/involved so far. Looks like he is just making something up as to why he thinks she is town. You could say that about almost anyone who has given an opinion on a couple players thus far.

 

Id prefer Tsuki over TG. I dont think TGs play with the avi was scummy, it was just another of his jokes at me, and im not buying what they are selling with his tommy push. Tsuki on the other hand has overreacted to alot of stuff imo and there were afew jumps he made that I didnt like.

Bold – What about his seemingly random vote for Tsuki after analyzing others? His Hallia town lean? His extra attention to Vos? His not commenting on Red’s post regarding Vos & Tsuki?

 

Could you elaborate on those jumps that Tsuki has made that you didn’t like?

 

Too MUCH QUOTING.

 

I'm not on Red yet cause I can't get any real traction there X. Imo more of a case needs to be built so I am going at Vos and Tommy atm.

Re: quoting – easiest way to keep up with the arguments/responses. Especially if someone has been uninvolved for 12 hours. If someone comes in from being gone and just starts "@whomever - " it can get confusing easily.

 

Re: no real traction - Does not compute. If you think she’s scummy, then present evidence of why you think she’s scummy so far. Why do you need others going at her to do so?

 

That one giant quote train almost broke my phone. Could we please keep the quote chains to a reasonable level? Kthxbai.

Already apologized and fixed it. Snipe post is not needed.

 

 

Gah, thought I fixed it. Feel free to ignore. Here it is fixed:

 

I agree with the Freudian slip part.

 

Not sure I agree with the latter. He discredited the claim, but was still calling him town overall from what I can see. That wouldn’t lend well to jumping on his wagon.

yeah DM does that to me often. how did you fix yours so fast? generally i have to open another browser tab and bring the quotes over one by one until i isolate the problem. a real PITA tbh.

 

i disagree though. the fact that he mentions "theres only so long tommy can troll before the town lynches him" gives him the wiggle in for jumping on tommy's wagon because it lays the foundation of "frustrated townie" and allows him to blend in with a popular opinion in thread and escape any question about his vote.

 

like i said, it comes off as him playing both sides of the field

 

Re: fixing quotes – I tend to do my responses in Word if there is more like one or two because I’ve lost big posts before when DM decided to go down. So I go back to Word and count quote tag endings. I make sure there is an ending to every open quote and doing it that way I can usually find it fairly quickly. Then, I check with the “more reply options” button so I DON’T end up doing what I did. I just missed it this time.

 

Re: vos – I guess I can see what you’re saying, but I don’t agree with it. I feel like him stating that he thinks Tommy is town above that statements keeps focus on him if he does indeed vote Tommy.

 

this is why i cut a post up like i do (which is how i used to, thank gods i found the format switch ) so that people can follow the dialogue and make their own conclusions about the back and forth.

It is definitely way easier to follow as a reader when a post is cut up rather than just bolded reply.

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@Key -  That said, you made a comment a while back about my playstyle in the ABBA game and town.  You should check out Xthrax recent game for a completely different town playstyle from me.

Didn't Tommy say something on thread about you telling him that that game is not a good representation of how you play?

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Oh, and because Mynd asked:

 

 

 

[nervositee]

 

Darthe: Straight out, do you not understand what I'm getting at or are you misrepping on purpose? Did you and TG decide in scum QT to stear me into D1 mislynch?

 

Side-note: I'm packing and running around preparing to go to Copenhagen this weekend. My posts will be a bit sparse and rushed from now and until midweek next week. Sorry about that. 

 

Don't know why you're throwing me in here.  I have had a town lean on you so far. 

 

 

had?

 

I might be too paranoid here, I admit - but I'm listening more and more to my gut D1 - and right now my gut is in paranoid-mode because this feels like some of my earlier games where scum would lead me by the nose into these situation where I'm left focusing on defense rather than scum-hunting. With such a high-experience roster I'll be on the losing side of that regardless of alignment. 

 

I'm not sure who, but I got a good feeling of being set up right now. It did seem to fit with you and Darthe leading me into these tangled situations, you buddying up to me and leading me into the popcorn thing and Darthe being on the offense. 

 

Noting that you adressed it like this, but Darthe ignored the post. 

 

I'll readily admit to being slightly lost at this point. I

[nervositee]

Damnit, pressed enter too soon. Part 2 coming in a sec. 

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I'm calling you out because it looked bad and I didn't want to leave it to Red. As for the popcorn thing, I wanted you to vote Tsuki with me.

Didn’t want to leave it to Red? Why her in particular? What makes you think she would have been the first person to address it, or even address it at all?

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[2/2]

 

I'll readily admit to being slightly lost at this point. I'm pretty sure there is a scum among you [TG], Darthe and Red. 

 

I'm gonna consult with my gut over a cigarette and report back if it has anything to say. 

[Xthrax]

 

The reluctance to change is what pings me. And the abrupt read change.

so let me get this straight, according to you:

 

- if bulldog i'm trying too hard to stay on my meta and i'm scummy

 

- if i back off, its an abrupt style change and i'm scummy

 

 

 

so literally in this case, i'm scummy if i do and scummy if i dont.

 

 

 

this is what i mean about trying to set up my lynch regardless of what i do on thread. you're tunneling on me, and your not known for tunneling. why are you tunneling on me this game?

 

i mena, i know i'm good looking and everything, bu dude, i'm a married woman

When you bulldog, I see it normal. When you back off completely, it's strange but ok. When it's a mix of both I find it scummy.

[Red2111]

X this is the only time i'm going to take the time to re organize this to keep the convo in context. next time i wont do so because i dont see why you can't do like the other people in this game and just pull out the bits from my post you want to respond to instead of responding to the whole thing.

 

and if i can reorganize the text in this fashion and keep the context, then its not beyond reason to expect you to do so instead of require myself and others to ping pong it to keep the context.

 

Firstly, I don't think I was asking others for their reads, I have formed my own. What I ask others is there reason for their reads for others because I want to find their motives and whether or not it is opportunistically and scummy. And that is because I don't have beforehand knowledge. Town asks questions because when the game starts they don't know anything other than the fact that they're town.

how do i know you're forming your own reads though X. i can only go by whats on thread and all i see, aside form you defending yourself against me, is asking people what their thoughts are.

 

it doesn't vibe as you scum hunting, and you aren't posting your own thoughts. it vibes as you trying to gather other peoples reads without making your own and without scum hunting so that you can appear active while not helping at all.

 

 

 

these two are directed at wombat.

 

i find the defending TG ultron ping worthy.

 

he out right attacks womby over the avatar thing, getting defensive about it and even snarky. and the thing is, Womby wasn't even FoSing him, he was FoSing TG for starting the whole thing.

 

why is he grilling womby on this on TG behalf?

I question Wombat because I don't agree with him fos'ing TG. At that point I had been given that avatar to wear as Post restriction. So I thought the same had happened for others. And do tell me how I acted snarky and over-defensive when all I told him was he could look at the names. Please do

 

it was the way you told him, the tone, it came off as snarky. and i never said over defensive, i said that you were vibing defensive.

 

meaning Womby posted a general "too many people with the same avitar is confusing"

 

and you went "COME AT ME BRO" at him.

 

 

i get that your claiming your avi was a PR from the mod, but that still doesn't explain why instead of just stating that you first went for defending TG against Womby's FoS.

 

 

 

 

this was always remarked on by others, but how is asking if someone is scum a trap by scum? Tina responded that it can be used by LD's and X even agreed.

 

so if its a tactic that can actually out scum, how is it bad for the town or a scum tactic?

I agree with what Tina pointed out. But I don't like it because I've seen it used frequently by mafia.

 

but you've also seen it used by town as well, correct? you're main point wasn't that you've seen it used by scum more, it was that you felt it was a trap and that only scum trap townies (this was in response to tommy btw)

 

you're only looking at the question itself and applying other games to this assumption to discredit it; and your not looking at the context in the way its used.

 

any tactic can be used by scum or town, that doesn't mean the person using the tactic is scum. its how they were using the tactic. and the context here had a town vibe to it (not to mention i've seen tommy do it in 2 games now and both games he rolled town; i'm assuming he does it as scum to, which is why i say context is more important)

 

you trying to write it off without taking into account context, while at the same time agreeing with Tina that it can help the town especially in the case of a LD, is a contradiction. you acknowledge that its a potentially useful tool for the town but try to discredit it anyways.

 

 

 

 

this was in response to me grilling him over the PR claim. 2 pings are the bold

 

his first reaction is to dig for info on what PR i got.

 

and then he mentions Rand out of the blue to support himself, which comes off as him saying he knows what Rands PR is and that they got the same thing. i dislike how he links himself with Rand and uses Rand as a shield.

I asked you for it because you said that you recieved a PR too. What's wrong in asking? And Rand mentioned that he had got a PR. He also had the anti-lenlo avi. So I thought it was the same as mine.

 

 

nothings wrong with asking, but it was your knee jerk reaction to my digging. you wanted more info on my PR rather than trying to prove your townieness to a person pressuring you. ie: you're more concerned with fishing than clearing your name.

 

 

rand was also posting celeb names in his posts and the "i dont know what i'm doing" gif/pics as well in this posts. you over looked these and used something convenient as a shield and to connect him to you.

 

 

 

 

 

See, right here is the tone change. I don't like this one bit.

 

I don't like apologetic tones. To me that's only scum.

 

But here it's more. There is partly that to seem understanding but just enough bbulldog to seem on meta.

 

If you are wrong, you come straight out with a I was wrong or persist in I was right. I don't like a mish-mash of both

here he is trying to make me scummy irregardless of how i act. not to mention the misrep on me as well

 

It's not making you scummy regardless of anything. It's because you already acted scummy according to what I believe is acting scummy. You tried to fake your meta IMO. And how did I misrep you, do tell

 

your mis rep was claiming i was apologetic. i've already explained this btw i'm not repeating myself.

 

and it is trying to paint me as scummy irregardless of how i act, and you're continuing to do it in the post i responded to from you before this one.

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Red[/v]

For her reaction. Not the case but what came after. After conclusive evidence was shown but her insistence for pushing later with nonsensical reasoning.

 

But mainly for her comments. A partial attempt to reinforce her bulldog meta. Itseemed as partly trying to seem understanding but also trying to fake her meta so that no one tries to call that out

and then D1 starts and he comes out of the gate with this. no mention on current events, nothing commented even as of yet about Nol and totally ignoring the character claims over the night from Tommy.

 

its out of character (OOC) for X. he's trying to be a bulldog and he's tunneling on me. this is not in his playstyle at all and it pings as to why he'd suddenly be switching up playstyles.

 

I didn't comment about Nol because for me his stance is not alignment indicative. If you notice after you, I commented on Tommy. It's not switching my playstyles. you're right for that one, I'm not a bulldog. I found you scummy. So what should I do, wait for a few days then vote? I like to be pro-active.

 

you are bulldogging on me and tunneling on me. you're not focusing on "scum hunting" or "casing" on anyone but me. this is what it means to bulldog and tunnel.

 

regardless of what you think of his stance, you didn't mention it or others reactions to it at all.

which is OOC for you. you have a tendencies to remark on major events, if anything to atleast give your POV on the situation.

 

you not even doing that until it was remarked on, pings.

 

 

 

 

There are two things conflicting me right now, Tommy. You could be a jester using Galactus as a fake claim to get lynched. But there is something else too.

 

This is a 24 player game, I'm guessing lynch is 13 players. You need 6 more votes to be lynched. If you were Jester, you would not have needed to say anything. There are bound to be some more sheep who would follow others. Or you would have thrown the thread into more confusion.

 

Or you could be scum like some others believe. There are two trains of thought here-You are a townie who was trolling. Or you are scum who tried to be too smart. On normal occasions, I would have gone with the less obvious-that you are town. But from my game, scum can execute dumb moves and pull it off because town thinks scum wouldn't be that dumb. I'm Wifom'ing myself here but I like this puzzle

he's fence sitting on Tommy and it comes off as forced and needing to post "thoughts" about Tommy given he came out of the gate swinging at me and ignored recent events so he doesn't get FoSd over it.

 

Would you call speaking aloud and letting everyone know what you think is fence-sitting? If so, then yeah. Because I don't. And what about it seems forced? I focused on you because you were a scum read and I like to focus on something definite I have instead of going on something less sure.

 

its the remarks you made that are fence sitting. you didnt take a clear stance on tommy and instead waffled the possibilities, claiming its possible he's scum, 3rd party or scum (even saying: "On normal occasions, I would have gone with the less obvious-that you are town.") and giving reasons why but not taking a set stance

 

first you think he might be a jester,

 

but then you dismiss the jester idea because "you would not have needed to say anything. There are bound to be some more sheep who would follow others. Or you would have thrown the thread into more confusion." (ie: he spoke to much or didn't troll enough)

 

next he might be scum being brazen or being stupid. then you throw in this "On normal occasions, I would have gone with the less obvious-that you are town."

 

say what?? on normal occasions? do you mean like "if you were town in this occasion?" and if its the less obvious, why would you go with it?

 

 

 

 

also going over it again, this particular bit gives me the eeby jeebys

 

"There are bound to be some more sheep who would follow others."

 

bound to be more sheep.

 

this implies that you know the votes on tommy are bogus. tmi slip?

 

 

 

 

 

 

this is reaching and proof that X isn't reading Mynds scenes imo

 

he then proceeds to start pushing at tommy and interrogating tommy while leaving his vote on me

Such a subtle omgus. I left my vote on you because I find you more scummy. And apparently you feel some sort of danger very quickly with even just one vote on you.Why so panicky Red? Is it because it has some merit? And FYI, at the time of my post, nowhere had Mynd mentioned the Twins.

 

lol this isn't panicky read, this is "red is casing a scum" red. my tone would be much more different if i was panicky.

 

and yes at the time of this post he had mentioned the twins.

 

and fyi - theres nothing in there that is OMGUSy. mostly it was to highlight your interrogation and focus on tommy so that people could see the tone change once you backed off of him very quickly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you sure? Sure you won't change to another Marvel character?

this was directed at Tommy. notice the snark in it. again this is OOC for X imo

 

I can't make fun? I was poking fun at Tommy for his repeated changes. I was teasing him for his claims.

 

you generally dont. so when you do its OOC and pings. kinda liek how me changing my style and listing my town reads in the open is throwing many people for a loop

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are the Witch - Only one with reason to have people on your train is for mind-buggery.

He could be Quicksilver? He could be anyone. But why do you strongly believe he's one of the twins?

 

this is an example of what i mean about interrogation and more interested in grilling peolpe and fishing for info, rather than scum hunting

 

What would you call scummy Red? To me it's asking questions, find stuff out, analysing people's questions based on their answer etc. Only scum don't need to ask questions because they know stuff already. To me people who don't want others asking questions are scum, which you seem to be.

 

if you dont know what i call scummy by now, then you never will XD

 

asking question is fine, but when its the only thing your doing aside from defending yourself then theres a problem.

 

 

 

 

then a 180 on tone towards Tommy.

 

he goes from interrogating tommy and trying to cast doubt on tommy directly, to backing off and being friendly.

 

its like he's scared to be confrontational out in the open.

Refer 5

 

your response of "I can't make fun? I was poking fun at Tommy for his repeated changes. I was teasing him for his claims."

 

doesn't explain the

 

- tone change

- the way you started approaching tommy

- nor does it address the feeling of you appearing to not want to be combative out in front, only when its behind snarkiness

[Myndrunner]

"Get in!" shouted Agent Maria Hill as she slammed on the brakes to her black tinted GMC Yukon, swinging the door open.   Melinda May did not hesitate to dive into the passenger seat and slam the door as Hill burned rubber down the street, bullets pounding the bulletproof glass and enhanced metal frame of the SUV.

 

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"Well, communication is down everywhere," shouted Hill, "once I lost my call with Pepper Potts, I tried Coulson on every channel.  It seems someone is selectively shutting down all outside communication about this game in the thread."

 

"Do you think it's Galactus?" asked Melinda May, wincing as she applied hydrogen peroxide to her wound.  "or worse.....it's probably Myndrunner!"  Both women winced as if they burped up stomach acid at the mention of that name. 

 

"I dunno," replied Maria Hill, "but whatever the reason, we've been cut off from the rest of the team.  Since I was close by, I decided to see if you needed assistance.  I'm glad my instincts were correct."

 

May gave Hill a curious look and raised her eyebrows.  "Coulson told you where I was," she asked, "and what I was doing?"

 

"W-well, not exactly," Hill stuttered, "Fury has me taking over operation Watchdog.  You know.....you're old assignment?"

 

"Yes I know," sighed May, sealing the bandage on her wound, "that was the first time in my life I truly felt compromised.  I couldnt let....LOOK OUT!!"

 

Melinda May's scream was not enough to stop the diesel truck from slamming into the SUV, sending it crashing a the brick building on the corner.  Glass shattered and smoke billowed from the vehicle.  Screams and shouts could be heard.  Melinda May shook her head and her vision quickly restored.  Aside from her earlier wound, she didn't seem to have a scratch.  She turned her head to see an unconscious Maria Hill, face planted deep in the driver's side airbag.  Quickly, Melinda flipped her fingers to reveal her butterfly knife.  She slashed off her seatbelt and then sliced through the airbag.

 

"C'mon, Maria," she whispered, "we gotta get outta here!"  Melinda kicked open the passenger side door and pulled Maria out to the ground.  She reached under the passenger seat and pulled out a special edition SHIELD blast pistol, clicked the saftey off, charged it just in time to blast the man in the red jumpsuit who came around the corner, shooting aimlessly.  The man staggered back, and tried to aim his gun at Melinda......but he was too late.  BLAM!!!
 

"Mein Liebling!" the man shouted before collapsing to the pavement.  More bullets whizzed past Melinda as she scanned the area.  She saw a dark ally a few yards to her left.  If she could drag Maria with one had and shoot with the other, she may be able to provide herself enough cover to make it.  She slowly began to crawl forward, holding Hill by the back of her uniform with one hand and gun aimed with the other.

 

"Tötet diese Schlampen!" she could hear their shouts, "Lassen Sie sich nicht von diesen Huren lebend raus!"  Definitely HYDRA, or at least, some rogue offshoot.  Suddenly, six red-spandex clad thugs jumped out from around the corner, guns aimed at Melinda.  "Where do you sink you are going, Fraulein?" cackled one of the men. 

 

"They're with me" shouted a tall, freakishly muscular dark skinned man who emerged from the dark ally behind them.  In both hands, he held a thick steel chain. "Any of you racist skinhead punks mess with them, you mess with me.   And when you mess with me, you mess yaself!"

 

"Hey," shouted one of the men, "back off, my brother!  This is none of your business."

 

The dark skinned man sneered, "I ain't your brother," he growled, "and I'm makin' it my business."  The red suits opened fire, but the bullets seemed to just bounce off the large, muscular dark skinned man.  With that, he spun around and knocked two of the men across the face with his steel chain.  He then lept into the air and knocked two of the other men together, knocking them out.  The third man he kicked in the head with a roundhouse, then approached the final red suit standing.

 

"You....you better back off, bro," stammered the apparent leader of the red suits, "you don't know who you are----AAHHH!!!  Suddenly, a round metal disk buzzed past them and sliced off the red suit leader's hand.  "AAHHH!! MEIN HANDJOB!!!"

 

"HAHA!" shouted the dark skinned man, "I threw that thing before I came up the ally!!"  The man picked up red suit and threw him onto the burning wreckage.  "Nothing like fried kraut to ruin a barbecue!"  The man turned towards Melinda and a groggy yet conscious Maria Hill.

 

"Who are you?" asked Melinda May, "are you SHIELD?"

 

"The name's Luke Cage," growled the man, "and I used to work for that JIVE ASS SHIELD, but I told Nick Fury a LONG time ago that I ain't never goin back.  But you ladies need to come with me.  I got a safe house just up the street."

 

"What? Do you think I can trust you?" barked Melinda May, "You think just because you beat up a few wimpy red-suits that I should believe everything you say? You can't win trust with just a wink and a smile."Luke Cage stared at Melinda with his stone face, then winked at her.  "Oh yeah, what about the smile?"

 

Without changing expression, he retorted "I am smiling." 

 

 

* * * * * * *

 

Official Vote Count:

Tommy (5) - Rand, Darthe, Dawn, Dice, TinaHel

Tsukibana (3) - Andrej, TGlems, Lenlo

Darthe (2) - NotBob, Nolder

TGlems (2) - Despothera, Tommy

Dicetosser (1) - Blackhoof

Nolder (1) - Songstress

Red (1) - Xthrax

Rand (1) - WWWwombat

Dawn (1) - Red

 

Not Voting: everyone else

 

It is still Day 1 of Avengers 2 - Age of Ultron Mafia, which will end Thursday, August 7th at 20:00pm EST or when a majority lynch has been achieved.  This is a hammer game so the moment a majority lynch has been reached, the day will end and I will post the results as soon as I am available to do so.  No additional votes or unvotes will be counted after the majority has been reached. 

 

To vote, you must vote in the usual manner "[v ] VOTE [/v ]" and you must [unvote] before voting again. 

 

With 24 players in the game, it will take 13 votes to reach a majority.  Failure to reach a majority by the deadline will result in a random player being lynched. 

 

Good luck!  The world is counting on you.....unless you are scum, of course!

[Niniel]

I have been away for a day and tried to caught up on phone. It´s a lot to read and everything melted together. I have know idea who said who. It would be very helpful if everyone write a short post about who they suspect and why.

 

I think it was Des who asked - yes, my pr was to change avi during the dawn. 

 

Nolder asked Arsis if he gets some powers if he hammers too. As in Nolder having that ability too? Do you think we could have two town players that gets powers from hammering? I´m doubting it but this is of course a Mynd game.

 

What about these siblings that Tommy is supposed to be one of - are they good or bad? It sound like they could be town, third party or mafia? 

[Tyler Glembo]

Didn't Tommy say something on thread about you telling him that that game is not a good representation of how you play?

 

I told Tommy that the Star Wars game (happened a long time ago, in a galaxy...nevermind) was not a good rep of my play.  It was my first game back after a long hiatus and I was awful.

 

Didn’t want to leave it to Red? Why her in particular? What makes you think she would have been the first person to address it, or even address it at all?

 

I don't want to leave it to anybody else.  I'm town so I know my motives.  If it is anybody else they could have ulterior motives, phrase it differently, etc.  I mention Red because it was she who brought it up initially.

[Tyler Glembo]

I have been away for a day and tried to caught up on phone. It´s a lot to read and everything melted together. I have know idea who said who. It would be very helpful if everyone write a short post about who they suspect and why.

 

I think it was Des who asked - yes, my pr was to change avi during the dawn. 

 

Nolder asked Arsis if he gets some powers if he hammers too. As in Nolder having that ability too? Do you think we could have two town players that gets powers from hammering? I´m doubting it but this is of course a Mynd game.

 

What about these siblings that Tommy is supposed to be one of - are they good or bad? It sound like they could be town, third party or mafia? 

 

The siblings are likely bad, at best 3rd party, from my understanding of the canon.

[Tyler Glembo]

"Do you think it's Galactus?" asked Melinda May, wincing as she applied hydrogen peroxide to her wound.  "or worse.....it's probably Myndrunner!"  Both women winced as if they burped up stomach acid at the mention of that name. 

{MORE SCENE STUFF}

"You....you better back off, bro," stammered the apparent leader of the red suits, "you don't know who you are----AAHHH!!!  Suddenly, a round metal disk buzzed past them and sliced off the red suit leader's hand.  "AAHHH!! MEIN HANDJOB!!!"

 

 

These two lines alone will keep me reading every single scene you ever write.  Bravo.

[nervositee]

Meh. Gonna go with 

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

His sentence-chopping was just too scummy not to follow up. And I think he is arrogant enough to think he'll get away with it. 

[Red2111]

 

Well color me not amused. 

 

First you called me out into the popcorn thing. Now this? You settin' me up here TG or what?

 

I'm calling you out because it looked bad and I didn't want to leave it to Red.  As for the popcorn thing, I wanted you to vote Tsuki with me.

 

 

actually i dont blame you on this.  i point it out, people will over look it XD

 

 

but why did you leave in the snarky comment to len in that quote and edit it out to make it look like part of my response to Vos?

 

 

 

 

Darthe: Straight out, do you not understand what I'm getting at or are you misrepping on purpose? Did you and TG decide in scum QT to stear me into D1 mislynch?

 

Side-note: I'm packing and running around preparing to go to Copenhagen this weekend. My posts will be a bit sparse and rushed from now and until midweek next week. Sorry about that.

 

Don't know why you're throwing me in here.  I have had a town lean on you so far.

 

if you have a town lean on him, why book mark what i pointed out on him?

[Tyler Glembo]

but why did you leave in the snarky comment to len in that quote and edit it out to make it look like part of my response to Vos?

 

[sTUFF]

if you have a town lean on him, why book mark what i pointed out on him?

 

 

The snarky comment was a copy paste error.  Wasn't meant to look like part of the quote.  Too much of a hurry from posting it in the last post up.

 

As for the town lean + book mark, I don't trust anybody, even those I have a town lean on.  If they slip I'm going to want an answer.

[Arsis]

I have been away for a day and tried to caught up on phone. It´s a lot to read and everything melted together. I have know idea who said who. It would be very helpful if everyone write a short post about who they suspect and why.

 

I think it was Des who asked - yes, my pr was to change avi during the dawn.

 

Nolder asked Arsis if he gets some powers if he hammers too. As in Nolder having that ability too? Do you think we could have two town players that gets powers from hammering? I´m doubting it but this is of course a Mynd game.

 

What about these siblings that Tommy is supposed to be one of - are they good or bad? It sound like they could be town, third party or mafia?

Noldor was role fishing. He actually hasn't done anything all game. He's been sitting back after his nonsense during dawn. He rushed out the gate after me... Then popping up to role fish and nothing else. Certainly not scum hunting. He's still high on my scum list.

[Red2111]

 

but why did you leave in the snarky comment to len in that quote and edit it out to make it look like part of my response to Vos?

 

[sTUFF]

if you have a town lean on him, why book mark what i pointed out on him?

 

 

The snarky comment was a copy paste error.  Wasn't meant to look like part of the quote.  Too much of a hurry from posting it in the last post up.

 

As for the town lean + book mark, I don't trust anybody, even those I have a town lean on.  If they slip I'm going to want an answer.

 

 

fair enough

[Songstress]

I'm extraordinarily hot and frustrated this morning - just got home from walking a mile in 90+ degree heat to pick up my car from the garage only to be told that it broke again last night and nobody bothered to call me and tell me I didn't need to pick it up.  Same issue has been going on since June 23rd and I've about had it.  Someone please firebomb this car so I can get the insurance payout and call it a day.

 

[unvote]

 

I'll come back to Nol later if it's warranted, I'm not sure what to make of his play since day actually got underway.

 

Key feels like Town Key for sure.  Probably the only one I'm really comfortable putting on my town list for now.

 

Red is weird.  I hate it when people consciously try to change their meta.

 

My gut tells me I want to trust Vos, and that he's being misrepped a bit. I was late to work yesterday and need to be early today so I don't have time to go back through and find more specifics, but Darthe chopping his quote and pulling a partial sentence out of context does not make me feel good with Darthe at all.  That kind of crap is not at all a good town play.  

 

More tonight.

[dawnflower8]

@ DT - the quote i had from you was snipped for some reason, but re-right shoes.BRING IT!  

 

 

Yeah meta is part of of it but Darthe also apparently ignored a strong scum tell from Arsis to policy vote me instead.

Scum tell? Not voting nol? I'm waiting to hammer. ;)

Do you have a power that works when you hammer someone too?

actually, i noticed this as well. Arsis was specific about his placement on tommys train. it came off as joking the first time, but the second time struck me as odd.i thought i had said something about it then, but i guess it got left off <_<   

I've mainly been focusing on you this game, I'll admit. But here are some things I've noticed from a few other players:Darthe has been playing differently, and is strangely quiet. I am not sure how he plays as scum, but this is very different from how I've seen him play town.I am pretty confident Red is town. Her play seems different from when I've played with her as scum. None of her reads have seemed to have scummy reasoning, at least from what I've looked at (although some posts I have skimmed over a bit)This one I don't really have any reasoning for, but gut feeling says Tsuki is town. His gameplay is exactly the same as every game I've been in with him as town. I don't have a clue on how he plays as scum though.

bold - et tu brutus?feeling slightly better about dawn now, but not enough to remove my vote

I didn't realize I was expected to unvote for test voting someone who isn't even in the game?Mynd counted it when I voted Arsis so he obviously knew I didn't actually vote Verbal.This is a pretty lame assessment Red even for you. Talk about misreps.

i've seen the tactic used before. what really stuck out was that fact that you had just quoted the mods rule about voting right before you did it. the lack of an unvote looked out of place and like there was an underhanded motive to it.like i said, slight ping.

Hrmmmmmm.... Red PM'ed me as well. And said I was "townvibing" and whatnot.Tress already pointed out how strange it is for Red to be giving out town reads this early (and I touched on this as well earlier, and how this fits her scum meta), but what is even MOAR peculiar is the people she contacted- Lenlo, Tommy, myself, and .... Xthrax I think? Anyways point is 2 of those people Red would normally be a lot moar combative towards, I know she relishes any opportunity to try and "catch" me as scum when she is town, and after seeing her interact with Tommy for a bit I get the same feeling. And yet she instead reaches out thru PM to those two people.... doesn't look right to me. Plus she pm's Lenlo and says he was one of her top town reads.... and I see absolutely nothing in the thread that could have given her that indication.Hidden in one of Red's wots I found this- Red saying she's pinging because she's changing her style. Classic scumtell is classic.Plus, another mark against Red for trying to buddy Tress.

trimmed Despo WoT catch up.first - i have a sad. you totally neglected to mention that poem i worked on for you *sniff*2nd - it wasn't hidden, it was there for all to see XD3rd - like i said in my PM to you, i hope that after this game you take a step back to re-evaluate your meta on me because your dead wrong when i'm town and too easy to manipulate when i'm scum.

 

Darthe is scum, Darthe is scum, I peeked him scum, I'm a dawn cop, Darthe is scum, we need to lynch Darthe.

wut? Keep false-claiming and i might stop believing you. How about the other twin speak up? The twins may be town, mafia or third party. The mafia wouldn't kill you if you were mafia (obviously) and if you are town killing one would just confirm the other. If third party, the mafia wouldn't know if they were town or third party, so wouldn't want to risk the nk in case they were.And, any investigative roles we have can search one or both and confirm them.May be worth considering.

i dislike this greatly and disagree with your logic. its too much WIFOM.

1 - (about the "freudian slip"). You caught me in bad phrasing. Let me try to clarify what I meant: You went after X hardcore pre-game (dawn). But you are a hardcore player so everything on point. However you seemed even more determined than ever, analyzing timezones and discerning code formatting At this point my thoughts where that you seemed like you were trying abit too hard, but nothing to worry about.Then the timezones where resolved. He was in +5,5 or something. Then you dismissed it, dismissed the code formatting and just made up a new case on him. That pinged hardcore. Instead of being BullzoderRed you went into "I'm trying to maintain my meta, so I won't quit even though my jumping at a 'townslip' failed".

my current case on X has absolutely nothing to do with my initial push on him. are you saying that you dont agree with my CURRENT case on X. if so what points dont you agree with and why.you say "just made up a new case on him" which means you think my current case on him is BS. please point out the flaws in it for me.and i'm not buying your reasoning behind that slip. your explanation doesn't explain to me the the context of that slip.

2 - Misrep here. I didn't defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, but FoS'ed Arsis for dodging a question AND my discrediting of Tommys claim is now null since all of Tommys claims are just trolling. Besides I explicitly said "town playing out gambits and lie", so even though I'm a bit worn out by Tommy's trolling his claims, I believe he is town.

to me it comes off as you defending tommy because your going at the person attacking him for the same reasons tommy is.so when you do that, then in the same post discredit his claim (when you couldn't have known it was fake at the time if you are town) it comes of as trying to play both sides of the field.

Thirdly, eyerolls at you responding to me thinking you are scum by suddenly saying I'm howling and moving me into scumpile by picking out two posts you can twist around. Doesn't make you look better in my book.

lol @ ur attempt to write off my finding you scummy as a OMGUS. my reasons for finding you ping worthy have nothing to do with you coming at me, pre-date you coming after me, and i've listed the things i find ping worthy about you in my posts.

what so 3 fake claims and thus multiple lies is town play? i dont think so.and if he was town nolder he is suppoesed to help town. Creating havok and WIFOM is not helpful to town

idk, his Galactus stuff seems to have moved us nicely away from spam and the pointless convo about how to play with Nol and into actual scum hunting.plus his antics have gathered a lot of info via reactions. just because you can't read them or use them doesn't make them not helpful.

What there to rephrase? It looks pretty clear to me. What didn't you understand? eere means are if you didn't get it. Phone typing

it doesn't look clear to me. i've read it multiple times and cannot understand what you're trying to say, which is why i asked you to re-phrase it.

 

Firstly, I don't think I was asking others for their reads, I have formed my own. What I ask others is there reason for their reads for others because I want to find their motives and whether or not it is opportunistically and scummy. And that is because I don't have beforehand knowledge. Town asks questions because when the game starts they don't know anything other than the fact that they're town.Bold-I question Wombat because I don't agree with him fos'ing TG. At that point I had been given that avatar to wear as Post restriction. So I thought the same had happened for others. And do tell me how I acted snarky and over-defensive when all I told him was he could look at the names. Please doItalics-I agree with what Tina pointed out. But I don't like it because I've seen it used frequently by mafia.Underlined-I asked you for it because you said that you recieved a PR too. What's wrong in asking? And Rand mentioned that he had got a PR. He also had the anti-lenlo avi. So I thought it was the same as mine.1-It's not making you scummy regardless of anything. It's because you already acted scummy according to what I believe is acting scummy. You tried to fake your meta IMO. And how did I misrep you, do tell2-I didn't comment about Nol because for me his stance is not alignment indicative. If you notice after you, I commented on Tommy. It's not switching my playstyles. you're right for that one, I'm not a bulldog. I found you scummy. So what should I do, wait for a few days then vote? I like to be pro-active.3-Would you call speaking aloud and letting everyone know what you think is fence-sitting? If so, then yeah. Because I don't. And what about it seems forced? I focused on you because you were a scum read and I like to focus on something definite I have instead of going on something less sure.4-Such a subtle omgus. I left my vote on you because I find you more scummy. And apparently you feel some sort of danger very quickly with even just one vote on you.Why so panicky Red? Is it because it has some merit? And FYI, at the time of my post, nowhere had Mynd mentioned the Twins.5-I can't make fun? I was poking fun at Tommy for his repeated changes. I was teasing him for his claims.6-What would you call scummy Red? To me it's asking questions, find stuff out, analysing people's questions based on their answer etc. Only scum don't need to ask questions because they know stuff already. To me people who don't want others asking questions are scum, which you seem to be.7-Refer 5All in all, I'm quite happy with my vote on Red.

 

it takes way too much time for me to flit back and forth with this big of a response when you respond in this fashion. please reformat it to something more manageable if you want my response to any of this.

 

Also highly suspect of Red and Tina. Red for reasons that should be obvious,

This is something that I always hate to see people say. It leaves room for people to fill in whatever they want as a reason and while this instance, with Reds multiple PMs, its clearer I still would like to have it posted for the future.Des can we get a quote as proof to show you were pmed by Red?

i'll confirm that i PMd him. our convo got cut off though prematurely since i had family stuff on sunday.

So you're changing your read on me because I read you as town? I'm seriously not sure what your trying to do there. I am not sure what to think of this.

[Tyler Glembo]

@Dawn - You can delete all the parts of the quote except what you're responding to.  It will make the game more easily readable for everyone.

[Tommyrod]

I'm losing track of this game.

 

TG, do you promise me you aren't scum? I'll vote elsewhere if you can shake this doubt off me.