[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Xthrax]

Key looks shady today.  I agree with BH and Len etc that Red looks bad for trying to play off of people in PM's.  Of course, Red has looked bad this entire game but nobody is really listening to that atm.

 

Also, <3 hally, just saw your post from earlier.

And that's exactly what I've been saying until now-that Red is scum.

 

I guess no one reads what I write 

[Xthrax]

Darthe, if you think Red looks bad all this time, why haven't you voted her? Why do you say she's bad but do nothing 'bout it?

[nervositee]

Darthe: Straight out, do you not understand what I'm getting at or are you misrepping on purpose? Did you and TG decide in scum QT to stear me into D1 mislynch?

 

Side-note: I'm packing and running around preparing to go to Copenhagen this weekend. My posts will be a bit sparse and rushed from now and until midweek next week. Sorry about that. 

[Red2111]

@ DT - the quote i had from you was snipped for some reason, but re-right shoes.

 

BRING IT!

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah meta is part of of it but Darthe also apparently ignored a strong scum tell from Arsis to policy vote me instead.

Scum tell? Not voting nol? I'm waiting to hammer. ;)

 

Do you have a power that works when you hammer someone too?

 

actually, i noticed this as well. Arsis was specific about his placement on tommys train. it came off as joking the first time, but the second time struck me as odd.

 

i thought i had said something about it then, but i guess it got left off <_<

 

 

 

I've mainly been focusing on you this game, I'll admit. But here are some things I've noticed from a few other players:

 

Darthe has been playing differently, and is strangely quiet. I am not sure how he plays as scum, but this is very different from how I've seen him play town.

 

I am pretty confident Red is town. Her play seems different from when I've played with her as scum. None of her reads have seemed to have scummy reasoning, at least from what I've looked at (although some posts I have skimmed over a bit)

 

This one I don't really have any reasoning for, but gut feeling says Tsuki is town. His gameplay is exactly the same as every game I've been in with him as town. I don't have a clue on how he plays as scum though.

bold - et tu brutus?

 

feeling slightly better about dawn now, but not enough to remove my vote

 

 

 

I didn't realize I was expected to unvote for test voting someone who isn't even in the game?

Mynd counted it when I voted Arsis so he obviously knew I didn't actually vote Verbal.

This is a pretty lame assessment Red even for you. Talk about misreps.

i've seen the tactic used before. what really stuck out was that fact that you had just quoted the mods rule about voting right before you did it. the lack of an unvote looked out of place and like there was an underhanded motive to it.

 

like i said, slight ping.

 

 

 

Hrmmmmmm.... Red PM'ed me as well. And said I was "townvibing" and whatnot.

 

Tress already pointed out how strange it is for Red to be giving out town reads this early (and I touched on this as well earlier, and how this fits her scum meta), but what is even MOAR peculiar is the people she contacted- Lenlo, Tommy, myself, and .... Xthrax I think? Anyways point is 2 of those people Red would normally be a lot moar combative towards, I know she relishes any opportunity to try and "catch" me as scum when she is town, and after seeing her interact with Tommy for a bit I get the same feeling. And yet she instead reaches out thru PM to those two people.... doesn't look right to me. Plus she pm's Lenlo and says he was one of her top town reads.... and I see absolutely nothing in the thread that could have given her that indication.

 

 

Hidden in one of Red's wots I found this- Red saying she's pinging because she's changing her style. Classic scumtell is classic.

 

Plus, another mark against Red for trying to buddy Tress.

trimmed Despo WoT catch up.

 

first - i have a sad. you totally neglected to mention that poem i worked on for you *sniff*

 

2nd - it wasn't hidden, it was there for all to see XD

 

3rd - like i said in my PM to you, i hope that after this game you take a step back to re-evaluate your meta on me because your dead wrong when i'm town and too easy to manipulate when i'm scum.

 

 

 

Darthe is scum, Darthe is scum, I peeked him scum, I'm a dawn cop, Darthe is scum, we need to lynch Darthe.

wut? Keep false-claiming and i might stop believing you. How about the other twin speak up? The twins may be town, mafia or third party. The mafia wouldn't kill you if you were mafia (obviously) and if you are town killing one would just confirm the other. If third party, the mafia wouldn't know if they were town or third party, so wouldn't want to risk the nk in case they were.

And, any investigative roles we have can search one or both and confirm them.

 

May be worth considering.

 

i dislike this greatly and disagree with your logic. its too much WIFOM.

 

 

1 - (about the "freudian slip"). You caught me in bad phrasing. Let me try to clarify what I meant: You went after X hardcore pre-game (dawn). But you are a hardcore player so everything on point. However you seemed even more determined than ever, analyzing timezones and discerning code formatting At this point my thoughts where that you seemed like you were trying abit too hard, but nothing to worry about.

 

Then the timezones where resolved. He was in +5,5 or something. Then you dismissed it, dismissed the code formatting and just made up a new case on him. That pinged hardcore. Instead of being BullzoderRed you went into "I'm trying to maintain my meta, so I won't quit even though my jumping at a 'townslip' failed".

 

my current case on X has absolutely nothing to do with my initial push on him. are you saying that you dont agree with my CURRENT case on X. if so what points dont you agree with and why.

 

you say "just made up a new case on him" which means you think my current case on him is BS. please point out the flaws in it for me.

 

and i'm not buying your reasoning behind that slip. your explanation doesn't explain to me the the context of that slip.

 

 

2 - Misrep here. I didn't defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, but FoS'ed Arsis for dodging a question AND my discrediting of Tommys claim is now null since all of Tommys claims are just trolling. Besides I explicitly said "town playing out gambits and lie", so even though I'm a bit worn out by Tommy's trolling his claims, I believe he is town.

to me it comes off as you defending tommy because your going at the person attacking him for the same reasons tommy is.

 

so when you do that, then in the same post discredit his claim (when you couldn't have known it was fake at the time if you are town) it comes of as trying to play both sides of the field.

 

Thirdly, eyerolls at you responding to me thinking you are scum by suddenly saying I'm howling and moving me into scumpile by picking out two posts you can twist around. Doesn't make you look better in my book.

lol @ ur attempt to write off my finding you scummy as a OMGUS. my reasons for finding you ping worthy have nothing to do with you coming at me, pre-date you coming after me, and i've listed the things i find ping worthy about you in my posts.

 

 

what so 3 fake claims and thus multiple lies is town play? i dont think so.

 

and if he was town nolder he is suppoesed to help town. Creating havok and WIFOM is not helpful to town

idk, his Galactus stuff seems to have moved us nicely away from spam and the pointless convo about how to play with Nol and into actual scum hunting.

 

plus his antics have gathered a lot of info via reactions. just because you can't read them or use them doesn't make them not helpful.

 

 

What there to rephrase? It looks pretty clear to me. What didn't you understand? eere means are if you didn't get it. Phone typing

it doesn't look clear to me. i've read it multiple times and cannot understand what you're trying to say, which is why i asked you to re-phrase it.

 

 

 

 

Firstly, I don't think I was asking others for their reads, I have formed my own. What I ask others is there reason for their reads for others because I want to find their motives and whether or not it is opportunistically and scummy. And that is because I don't have beforehand knowledge. Town asks questions because when the game starts they don't know anything other than the fact that they're town.

 

Bold-I question Wombat because I don't agree with him fos'ing TG. At that point I had been given that avatar to wear as Post restriction. So I thought the same had happened for others. And do tell me how I acted snarky and over-defensive when all I told him was he could look at the names. Please do

 

Italics-I agree with what Tina pointed out. But I don't like it because I've seen it used frequently by mafia.

 

Underlined-I asked you for it because you said that you recieved a PR too. What's wrong in asking? And Rand mentioned that he had got a PR. He also had the anti-lenlo avi. So I thought it was the same as mine.

 

1-It's not making you scummy regardless of anything. It's because you already acted scummy according to what I believe is acting scummy. You tried to fake your meta IMO. And how did I misrep you, do tell

 

2-I didn't comment about Nol because for me his stance is not alignment indicative. If you notice after you, I commented on Tommy. It's not switching my playstyles. you're right for that one, I'm not a bulldog. I found you scummy. So what should I do, wait for a few days then vote? I like to be pro-active.

 

3-Would you call speaking aloud and letting everyone know what you think is fence-sitting? If so, then yeah. Because I don't. And what about it seems forced? I focused on you because you were a scum read and I like to focus on something definite I have instead of going on something less sure.

 

4-Such a subtle omgus. I left my vote on you because I find you more scummy. And apparently you feel some sort of danger very quickly with even just one vote on you.Why so panicky Red? Is it because it has some merit? And FYI, at the time of my post, nowhere had Mynd mentioned the Twins.

 

5-I can't make fun? I was poking fun at Tommy for his repeated changes. I was teasing him for his claims.

 

6-What would you call scummy Red? To me it's asking questions, find stuff out, analysing people's questions based on their answer etc. Only scum don't need to ask questions because they know stuff already. To me people who don't want others asking questions are scum, which you seem to be.

 

7-Refer 5

 

All in all, I'm quite happy with my vote on Red.

 

it takes way too much time for me to flit back and forth with this big of a response when you respond in this fashion. please reformat it to something more manageable if you want my response to any of this.

 

 

 

 

Also highly suspect of Red and Tina. Red for reasons that should be obvious,

This is something that I always hate to see people say. It leaves room for people to fill in whatever they want as a reason and while this instance, with Reds multiple PMs, its clearer I still would like to have it posted for the future.

 

Des can we get a quote as proof to show you were pmed by Red?

 

i'll confirm that i PMd him. our convo got cut off though prematurely since i had family stuff on sunday.

[Red2111]

Key looks shady today.  I agree with BH and Len etc that Red looks bad for trying to play off of people in PM's.  Of course, Red has looked bad this entire game but nobody is really listening to that atm.

 

Also, <3 hally, just saw your post from earlier.

 

wait. so you're saying i look bad but you're voting a person i'm pushing on now?

 

 

Darthe, if you think Red looks bad all this time, why haven't you voted her? Why do you say she's bad but do nothing 'bout it?

i've been one of Darthe's harder pushes all game dude.

[keyholder21]

 

reasons im on tommy

 

he whined about playing.

he then claimed Galactus a major villian, multiple times.

then he goes oh no im a twin not galactus!! the twins are villians at this point in canon.

he is trolling and i am in the ABBA game and as such am sick of trolling.

 

 

he didnt want to play then seems to have played to get lynched so i say we give him what he wanted.

 

 

somebody made a comment of me going for low hanging fruit....i have read tommy as scum a number of times and tried to get him lynched and he always turned out scum yet I dont think i EVER succeeded so no im not seeing ure low hanging fruit thing

 

Feels like you're not trying but the tone reads legit here =S

I disagree.

I was trying to call bullshit in the most polite was possible to fit in over here. How many people did you threaten to vig tonight and now you're dawn phase cop? After claiming galactus? I hope you don't think your power will save you from being lynched. I have the final say in that and when I drop the hammer it stays dropped.

Bold – how do you have final say in whether or not he’s lynched?

 

 

Fully caught up. Not sure on Tommy's claim. Kinda tempted to vote Darthe as I had him as one of my top suspects before Tommy's claim, but I see he's posting a bit now. I'll let him do that while I take a break.

Not sure on Tommy’s claim? Really? Hedging looks weird on you.

 

 

 

IMO a scum that can get through a few days while convincing townies to openly kill other townies serves their own purpose and if he gets a PR in the process then it's gold, which he likely wouldn't since day cop is rare as hell. That logic looks bad on Vos since it gives Tommy plenty of reason to get through more days.

 

Womby I am not sure what you're anticipating from me? I'm town and fighting against practically nothing thus far since there is no argument for me to not be town other than that scum exist somewhere so maybe im one of them? What point could you possibly be looking for?

Dude do you remember the original Avengers game? Everyone had roles and they were all non-conventional. I wouldnt put anything out cause of Mynd. Granted this does of course make claims much less believable/creditable and not near as much of a safety net.

Okay…What is the point of saying this?

I’m not getting the “I’m more involved” vibe that you mentioned earlier.

You had a specific reason for every single person on your scum list except for....me? Well, I feel special I guess.

No comment regarding any of her other views? Not even about how she has Tsuki in her null to scum, or has Vos higher on her list?

A)Maybe he does have a "town read" but his post shouldn't read as though he knows Tsuki is town and is going from there. It should read as though he think Tsuki could be town but is suspicious, that is, if he is town.

Weak argument.

Vos is howling hardcore now, move him to my lean!scum pile 84% on him. first impression of Darthe as scum is still there, but his current play is a bit more solid, not ready to move him down to null to scum yet though. Rand is in the null to town now for me, solid play imo. Arsis is status quo for now.

 

 

two important posts before the rest are Vos related

 

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now.

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red.

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting.

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too.

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

 

the bold is making me confused. i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum .... over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

Tommy claimed daycop with a guilty on Darthe

 

Then you immediately discredited his claim.

 

That clearly relates to you and Darthe.

 

When asked about it, you immediately deflect in and refuses to adress the point.

 

Makes me wonder why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

The real question is if you all will lynch Tommy if I flip town. I somehow don't trust this group to actually do it.

 

 

Well... we've all seen town play out lies as gambit and fail

 

but yes, there is a limit to how much Tommy will troll without town stringing him up methinks. But I'm guessing he will claim cop until you have 4-5 votes, then say he lied about it and FoS everyone who voted you.

 

did ... did you just defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, and then in the same post discredit Tommy's claim o.0

 

your trying to put yourself in a situation where you can defend against his wagon or jump on it. i dislike this greatly.

 

I agree with the Freudian slip part.

 

Not sure I agree with the latter. He discredited the claim, but was still calling him town overall from what I can see. That wouldn’t lend well to jumping on his wagon.

Also, I want this bookmarked and I want Vos' response, so I'm quoting it here.

 

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now.

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red.

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting.

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too.

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

 

the bold is making me confused. i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum .... over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

and as your scummate in that game i have to say. that shit was hilarious!

So, bookmarking and requiting something that was said like 8 posts ago? Also, you seem to be awfully focused on Vos.

So I'm not all the way caught up, but it seems like you're hyper focusing on Darthe, Tommeh.

 

Darthe, I personally don't hate you! :( I'm sorry if you feel that way.

 

Right now Darthe reads to me like a townie getting dumped on.

Random post in the middle.

Though Darthe, FTR, I don’t hate you either. You frustrate me in game sometimes, but it’s certainly not hate!

 

 

NotBob, what useful comment did Tina ?make on Tommy

 

meh...same crap as the others as far as Tommy...easy vote for her to make there...but she does offer some commentary on others...which I read as a hunt...or at least an attempt to keep the commentary up to date on some of the other story lines...so she's in my town pile at the moment.

 

I'm continuing to feel good about NB this game.

How does this good on NB?

 

Des- re: quotes, of course. I don’t even know what happened. It looked fine when I checked it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lenlo]

O.o

[keyholder21]

Gah, thought I fixed it. Feel free to ignore. Here it is fixed:

 

 

 

reasons im on tommy

 

he whined about playing.

he then claimed Galactus a major villian, multiple times.

then he goes oh no im a twin not galactus!! the twins are villians at this point in canon.

he is trolling and i am in the ABBA game and as such am sick of trolling.

 

 

he didnt want to play then seems to have played to get lynched so i say we give him what he wanted.

 

 

somebody made a comment of me going for low hanging fruit....i have read tommy as scum a number of times and tried to get him lynched and he always turned out scum yet I dont think i EVER succeeded so no im not seeing ure low hanging fruit thing

Feels like you're not trying but the tone reads legit here =S

 

I disagree.

 

I was trying to call bullshit in the most polite was possible to fit in over here. How many people did you threaten to vig tonight and now you're dawn phase cop? After claiming galactus? I hope you don't think your power will save you from being lynched. I have the final say in that and when I drop the hammer it stays dropped.

Bold – how do you have final say in whether or not he’s lynched?

 

Fully caught up. Not sure on Tommy's claim. Kinda tempted to vote Darthe as I had him as one of my top suspects before Tommy's claim, but I see he's posting a bit now. I'll let him do that while I take a break.

Not sure on Tommy’s claim? Really? Hedging looks weird on you.

 

 

IMO a scum that can get through a few days while convincing townies to openly kill other townies serves their own purpose and if he gets a PR in the process then it's gold, which he likely wouldn't since day cop is rare as hell. That logic looks bad on Vos since it gives Tommy plenty of reason to get through more days.

 

Womby I am not sure what you're anticipating from me? I'm town and fighting against practically nothing thus far since there is no argument for me to not be town other than that scum exist somewhere so maybe im one of them? What point could you possibly be looking for?

Dude do you remember the original Avengers game? Everyone had roles and they were all non-conventional. I wouldnt put anything out cause of Mynd. Granted this does of course make claims much less believable/creditable and not near as much of a safety net.

 

Okay…What is the point of saying this?

 

I’m not getting the “I’m more involved” vibe that you mentioned earlier.

 

You had a specific reason for every single person on your scum list except for....me? Well, I feel special I guess.

No comment regarding any of her other views? Not even about how she has Tsuki in her null to scum, or has Vos higher on her list?

 

A)Maybe he does have a "town read" but his post shouldn't read as though he knows Tsuki is town and is going from there. It should read as though he think Tsuki could be town but is suspicious, that is, if he is town.

Weak argument.

 

Vos is howling hardcore now, move him to my lean!scum pile 84% on him. first impression of Darthe as scum is still there, but his current play is a bit more solid, not ready to move him down to null to scum yet though. Rand is in the null to town now for me, solid play imo. Arsis is status quo for now.

 

 

two important posts before the rest are Vos related

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now.

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red.

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting.

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too.

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

the bold is making me confused. i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum .... over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

Tommy claimed daycop with a guilty on Darthe

 

Then you immediately discredited his claim.

 

That clearly relates to you and Darthe.

 

When asked about it, you immediately deflect in and refuses to adress the point.

 

Makes me wonder why?

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

The real question is if you all will lynch Tommy if I flip town. I somehow don't trust this group to actually do it.

 

 

Well... we've all seen town play out lies as gambit and fail

 

but yes, there is a limit to how much Tommy will troll without town stringing him up methinks. But I'm guessing he will claim cop until you have 4-5 votes, then say he lied about it and FoS everyone who voted you.

 

did ... did you just defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, and then in the same post discredit Tommy's claim o.0

 

your trying to put yourself in a situation where you can defend against his wagon or jump on it. i dislike this greatly.

 

I agree with the Freudian slip part.

 

Not sure I agree with the latter. He discredited the claim, but was still calling him town overall from what I can see. That wouldn’t lend well to jumping on his wagon.

 

Also, I want this bookmarked and I want Vos' response, so I'm quoting it here.

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now.

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red.

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting.

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too.

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

the bold is making me confused. i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum .... over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

and as your scummate in that game i have to say. that shit was hilarious!

 

 

So, bookmarking and requoting something that was said like 8 posts ago? Also, you seem to be awfully focused on Vos.

 

So I'm not all the way caught up, but it seems like you're hyper focusing on Darthe, Tommeh.

 

Darthe, I personally don't hate you! :( I'm sorry if you feel that way.

 

Right now Darthe reads to me like a townie getting dumped on.

Random post in the middle.

 

Though Darthe, FTR, I don’t hate you either. You frustrate me in game sometimes, but it’s certainly not hate.

 

 

 

NotBob, what useful comment did Tina ?make on Tommy

meh...same crap as the others as far as Tommy...easy vote for her to make there...but she does offer some commentary on others...which I read as a hunt...or at least an attempt to keep the commentary up to date on some of the other story lines...so she's in my town pile at the moment.

 

I'm continuing to feel good about NB this game.

 

How does this look good on NB?

 

Des- re: quotes, of course. I don’t even know what happened. It looked fine when I checked it.

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

I've mainly been focusing on you this game, I'll admit. But here are some things I've noticed from a few other players:

 

Darthe has been playing differently, and is strangely quiet. I am not sure how he plays as scum, but this is very different from how I've seen him play town.

 

I am pretty confident Red is town. Her play seems different from when I've played with her as scum. None of her reads have seemed to have scummy reasoning, at least from what I've looked at (although some posts I have skimmed over a bit)

 

This one I don't really have any reasoning for, but gut feeling says Tsuki is town. His gameplay is exactly the same as every game I've been in with him as town. I don't have a clue on how he plays as scum though.

bold - et tu brutus?

 

feeling slightly better about dawn now, but not enough to remove my vote

 

 

 

What there to rephrase? It looks pretty clear to me. What didn't you understand? eere means are if you didn't get it. Phone typing

it doesn't look clear to me. i've read it multiple times and cannot understand what you're trying to say, which is why i asked you to re-phrase it.

 

 

 

 

Firstly, I don't think I was asking others for their reads, I have formed my own. What I ask others is there reason for their reads for others because I want to find their motives and whether or not it is opportunistically and scummy. And that is because I don't have beforehand knowledge. Town asks questions because when the game starts they don't know anything other than the fact that they're town.

 

Bold-I question Wombat because I don't agree with him fos'ing TG. At that point I had been given that avatar to wear as Post restriction. So I thought the same had happened for others. And do tell me how I acted snarky and over-defensive when all I told him was he could look at the names. Please do

 

Italics-I agree with what Tina pointed out. But I don't like it because I've seen it used frequently by mafia.

 

Underlined-I asked you for it because you said that you recieved a PR too. What's wrong in asking? And Rand mentioned that he had got a PR. He also had the anti-lenlo avi. So I thought it was the same as mine.

 

1-It's not making you scummy regardless of anything. It's because you already acted scummy according to what I believe is acting scummy. You tried to fake your meta IMO. And how did I misrep you, do tell

 

2-I didn't comment about Nol because for me his stance is not alignment indicative. If you notice after you, I commented on Tommy. It's not switching my playstyles. you're right for that one, I'm not a bulldog. I found you scummy. So what should I do, wait for a few days then vote? I like to be pro-active.

 

3-Would you call speaking aloud and letting everyone know what you think is fence-sitting? If so, then yeah. Because I don't. And what about it seems forced? I focused on you because you were a scum read and I like to focus on something definite I have instead of going on something less sure.

 

4-Such a subtle omgus. I left my vote on you because I find you more scummy. And apparently you feel some sort of danger very quickly with even just one vote on you.Why so panicky Red? Is it because it has some merit? And FYI, at the time of my post, nowhere had Mynd mentioned the Twins.

 

5-I can't make fun? I was poking fun at Tommy for his repeated changes. I was teasing him for his claims.

 

6-What would you call scummy Red? To me it's asking questions, find stuff out, analysing people's questions based on their answer etc. Only scum don't need to ask questions because they know stuff already. To me people who don't want others asking questions are scum, which you seem to be.

 

7-Refer 5

 

All in all, I'm quite happy with my vote on Red.

 

it takes way too much time for me to flit back and forth with this big of a response when you respond in this fashion. please reformat it to something more manageable if you want my response to any of this.

 

 

So you change your view on Dawn. See this is what I don't like. An attempt to reinforce your meta. Dawn has a town read on you so your read changes for her to town. But just throw in a certain reluctance to keep to your meta.

 

I'll rephrase that when I get back on my laptop.

 

Lastly, I managed to respond to your huge wot. Dug through your spoilers and everything. As a person who makes extremely large wots you should be capable to read through others too.

[Xthrax]

 

Key looks shady today. I agree with BH and Len etc that Red looks bad for trying to play off of people in PM's. Of course, Red has looked bad this entire game but nobody is really listening to that atm.

 

Also, <3 hally, just saw your post from earlier.

wait. so you're saying i look bad but you're voting a person i'm pushing on now?

 

 

Darthe, if you think Red looks bad all this time, why haven't you voted her? Why do you say she's bad but do nothing 'bout it?

i've been one of Darthe's harder pushes all game dude.

If you're a harder push and feels so strongly why doesn't he act proactively and vote

[Xthrax]

Responding to wots on phone is annoying. Deleting unnecessary text is a pain

[Andrej]

Caught up again.

 

 

 

 

NotBob, what useful comment did Tina ?make on Tommy

meh...same crap as the others as far as Tommy...easy vote for her to make there...but she does offer some commentary on others...which I read as a hunt...or at least an attempt to keep the commentary up to date on some of the other story lines...so she's in my town pile at the moment.

 

I'm continuing to feel good about NB this game.

 

How does this look good on NB?

 

This was in conjunction with another post of his that I found pretty solid. It tells me that he's analyzing and although his post count is low whenever he does it's generally on topic and offers something insightful. Good vibes, in other words.

 

Do you agree or disagree?

[Darthe]

Too MUCH QUOTING.

 

I'm not on Red yet cause I can't get any real traction there X.  Imo more of a case needs to be built so I am going at Vos and Tommy atm.

[Xthrax]

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[Xthrax]

Too MUCH QUOTING.

 

I'm not on Red yet cause I can't get any real traction there X. Imo more of a case needs to be built so I am going at Vos and Tommy atm.

Traction as in?

 

The rest of it makes sense, so ok

[Darthe]

Traction as in I've seen nobody else really going at her.  Actually a lot of town reads on her somehow.  

[Xthrax]

Did you read my initial read on her and my responses to her.

[Xthrax]

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[Andrej]

Would be willing to get behind a Dice or TG lynch for today if Tsuki isn't going to happen.

 

Still don't think Tsuki's thought process is lining up. Already touched on what I perceived as a TMI slip (which apparently was a PR, so I'd be willing to drop that), but I still dislike his recap of Hallia's meta which points to her being town and his handling of Tom's claim and the subsequent conclusion it brought him to. Not to mention Hallia seems heavily coasting right now (which is par) but it makes his easy town read more suspect.

 

My thoughts echo Nolder's irt Dice's reasons for continuing to push Tom.

 

With TG I admit it would be more so a sponge read from others who I am leaning town on. I can agree on the point that his catch up post and following reads look like one of those scummy 'here's some content' sort of posts and there was a large lull in his gameplay from how he started out heavy with the spam and then died down (which could just be IRL stuff). I did catch early on how he said that normally he'd be willing to kickstart the game but instead was opting to continue spamming because it was Dawn 0, which pinged me then.

[Lenlo]

Would be willing to get behind a Dice or TG lynch for today if Tsuki isn't going to happen.

 

Still don't think Tsuki's thought process is lining up. Already touched on what I perceived as a TMI slip (which apparently was a PR, so I'd be willing to drop that), but I still dislike his recap of Hallia's meta which points to her being town and his handling of Tom's claim and the subsequent conclusion it brought him to. Not to mention Hallia seems heavily coasting right now (which is par) but it makes his easy town read more suspect.

 

My thoughts echo Nolder's irt Dice's reasons for continuing to push Tom.

 

With TG I admit it would be more so a sponge read from others who I am leaning town on. I can agree on the point that his catch up post and following reads look like one of those scummy 'here's some content' sort of posts and there was a large lull in his gameplay from how he started out heavy with the spam and then died down (which could just be IRL stuff). I did catch early on how he said that normally he'd be willing to kickstart the game but instead was opting to continue spamming because it was Dawn 0, which pinged me then.

Id prefer Tsuki over TG. I dont think TGs play with the avi was scummy, it was just another of his jokes at me, and im not buying what they are selling with his tommy push. Tsuki on the other hand has overreacted to alot of stuff imo and there were afew jumps he made that I didnt like.

[Arsis]

That one giant quote train almost broke my phone. Could we please keep the quote chains to a reasonable level? Kthxbai.

[Red2111]

@ Darthe - so case me you lazy bum and a lot of town reads on me?? i've seen more people say i'm pinging rather than town vibing tbh most pings on me come from my initial push on X, which is beating a dead horse by now considering i've moved on to a more concrete case (but no one seems to want to acknowledge that and get past the initial push i had on him <_< ) and that i'm changing my play style and doing away with the constant tinfoiling.

 

i get the latter ping from people who are used to me, i've only started it for two games and last game i was scum which is why i'm not going at them for a Bullshanks push on me and vibing them town instead.

 

 

@ X - so wait to respond to them until you get to a computer?

 

 

Em is now firmly in the town group for me as far as i'm concerned. her hunting has a legit feel to it and she's vibing town hardcore to me.

 

 

Gah, thought I fixed it. Feel free to ignore. Here it is fixed:

 

I agree with the Freudian slip part.

 

Not sure I agree with the latter. He discredited the claim, but was still calling him town overall from what I can see. That wouldn’t lend well to jumping on his wagon.

 

yeah DM does that to me often. how did you fix yours so fast? generally i have to open another browser tab and  bring the quotes over one by one until i isolate the problem. a real PITA tbh.

 

i disagree though. the fact that he mentions "theres only so long tommy can troll before the town lynches him" gives him the wiggle in for jumping on tommy's wagon because it lays the foundation of "frustrated townie" and allows him to blend in with a popular opinion in thread and escape any question about his vote.

 

like i said, it comes off as him playing both sides of the field

 

 

 

So you change your view on Dawn. See this is what I don't like. An attempt to reinforce your meta. Dawn has a town read on you so your read changes for her to town. But just throw in a certain reluctance to keep to your meta.

 

my meta is bull dogging and tunneling.  how is changing my view on dawn an attempt to reinforce my meta?   if i was reinforcing my meta like your claiming, i would have doubled down.

 

and i didn't change my view, i put her lower on the scum totem pole.  theres a difference.  i still think her vote on tommy was scumtastic and as you can see, my vote remains.

 

 

Lastly, I managed to respond to your huge wot. Dug through your spoilers and everything. As a person who makes extremely large wots you should be capable to read through others too.

lol if you think those are large you shoulda seen what i used to post before DM installed a quote limit >:)

 

srsly tho. its easy to bold text and respond to it below, but for me to respond to what your replying to, i have to ping pong up and down on my screen to find the text your referring to and then read your response and keep it in context. not to mention, its harder for others to follow the dialogue that way and get reads off of both of us if its done like that.

 

this is why i cut a post up like i do (which is how i used to, thank gods i found the format switch ) so that people can follow the dialogue and make their own conclusions about the back and forth.

 

 

If you're a harder push and feels so strongly why doesn't he act proactively and vote

 

you'll have to ask darthe that, i dont answer for him.  i'm just saying that his FoSing of me isn't out of left field.

[Xthrax]

Yeah, please wait.

 

The reluctance to change is what pings me. And the abrupt read change.

 

And what you would have to do while responding to my response is what I had to do.

 

If I post my responses separately, people would lose continuity and not understand what II'm responding to.

 

To post my thing separately would be a waste of time again. So I would rather that you respond to it. It's a common courtesy to read what others say so I guess others will extend that courtesy

[Red2111]

The reluctance to change is what pings me. And the abrupt read change.

so let me get this straight, according to you:

 

- if bulldog i'm trying too hard to stay on my meta and i'm scummy

 

- if i back off, its an abrupt style change and i'm scummy

 

 

 

so literally in this case, i'm scummy if i do and scummy if i dont.

 

 

 

this is what i mean about trying to set up my lynch regardless of what i do on thread. you're tunneling on me, and your not known for tunneling. why are you tunneling on me this game?

 

i mena, i know i'm good looking and everything, bu dude, i'm a married woman

[Tyler Glembo]

Something I forgot to point out about TG before I ran audit earlier- when he was asking Tommy why he felt so town on Tsuki, it read more like TG trying to fish for Tommy's twin than trying to see if it was a legit read or not

 

Anyhoo, gonna catch up in other game now. Can someone refresh me on when deadline is? Skimmed hardcore to catch up

 

Despo, bad logic is a bad thing.  Me pushing Tommy is not because I'm trying to stifle scumhunting or pull out partners, but because I'm trying to look for bad logic and missteps which are a primo way to catch players like Tommy out as scum (besides his lolcatting that is).  What is interesting on you so far is that you made a decision on me and now you're using confirmation bias with all further quotes.  Narrative.

 

Well color me not amused. 

 

First you called me out into the popcorn thing. Now this? You settin' me up here TG or what? 

 

 

I'm calling you out because it looked bad and I didn't want to leave it to Red.  As for the popcorn thing, I wanted you to vote Tsuki with me.

 

But, Vos, how is it a setup, exactly?  How are the two events correlated?

 

Des I'm gonna join you on TG wagon. I think Wombat should as well. There's something off about his tone and aggression for sure. He's making all kinds of unnecessary statements like the "regardless of if you're town or scum" comment you pointed out. I'm gonna roll with that, see where the wagon goes, see who dies of dysentery.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]TG[/v]

 

The sheep is strong with this one.  Comments like "there's something off" are a great way of saying you have no idea at all and are just hoping to build the train enough that it'll take off eventually.