[Advanced/Experimental] No Roles Disney Game - Game Over - Town Wins!

[Verbal32]

@Alanna - Based on all that, who are you thinking for a lynch today?  Does somebody come out of that interaction as looking more scummy than others?

[Andrej]

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

I'm legitimately curious about how you are coming to this conclusion. What benefits do the mafia have to suggesting a mass claim? If it's just 'town cred' then don't bother explaining. If anything, they could just simply say "Nope - not claiming" and not have to worry about it. How does me suggesting a mass claim and then throwing out my character immediately make sense from a mafia POV since as you have acknowledged here - it is common knowledge that they don't have fake claims?

 

Also, you are neglecting to think of Len's actions from his POV. At the time we had only seen 'secondary' characters claimed and you knew otherwise. Just because he suggested something contrary to what you had personal knowledge of literally means nothing about his alignment.

 

So basically the fact that some were able to look at the suggestion objectively and see the positive intent behind causes you to doubt it?

[Andrej]

 

 

This shows that you were waiting for the game to move rather than trying to get it moving yourself.  That is anti-town.

 

No, it isn't.  You're really reaching with this Vos pressure.  This is not typical Wombat scumhunting.  I'm no longer willing to fuse.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing it.

[Andrej]

 

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

This makes total sense to me; in fact, I made a similar point earlier. I just felt you were overly certain that AJ was scum because of your trap. Especially given that, for me, he hasn't otherwise pinged as scummy so far.

 

What exactly were you agreeing with here? 

 

Also - what similar point did you make? I don't remember seeing one save for you saying it made sense for me to pursue Mish because I suggested the mass claim idea and she was playing sketchy around it.

[Lenlo]

 

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

I'm legitimately curious about how you are coming to this conclusion. What benefits do the mafia have to suggesting a mass claim? If it's just 'town cred' then don't bother explaining. If anything, they could just simply say "Nope - not claiming" and not have to worry about it. How does me suggesting a mass claim and then throwing out my character immediately make sense from a mafia POV since as you have acknowledged here - it is common knowledge that they don't have fake claims?

 

Also, you are neglecting to think of Len's actions from his POV. At the time we had only seen 'secondary' characters claimed and you knew otherwise. Just because he suggested something contrary to what you had personal knowledge of literally means nothing about his alignment.

 

So basically the fact that some were able to look at the suggestion objectively and see the positive intent behind causes you to doubt it?

 

Im also not 100% sure of Mish's claim. Something about it doesnt feel good to me.

[Andrej]

Mish, I think your paranoia around the mass claim is healthy, but I don't see why you're scum reading AJ for it.  Assuming AJ really thought that a mass claim would help town, has he done anything scummy yet?

 

Yeah - I fell into her 'trap' lol

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

This shows that you were waiting for the game to move rather than trying to get it moving yourself. That is anti-town.

No, it isn't. You're really reaching with this Vos pressure. This is not typical Wombat scumhunting. I'm no longer willing to fuse.

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing it.

Ill argue this one. It may be a bit if a stretch based on what he is arguing but Vos warrants the pressure here and very little on D1 isnt reaching to some extent. I like how open he is being about it.

[Alanna]

@Alanna - Based on all that, who are you thinking for a lynch today?  Does somebody come out of that interaction as looking more scummy than others?

 

I'm not sure yet, because I'd like to go back and look over some people, including AJ, Vos, Darthe, and Wombat. I especially want to go back and compare Vos's interpretations of Darthe's actions to Darthe's actual posts to get a better read on that situation. I'm at work right now, so I don't have a ton of free time, but I will try and post my thoughts later today.

 

 

 

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

This makes total sense to me; in fact, I made a similar point earlier. I just felt you were overly certain that AJ was scum because of your trap. Especially given that, for me, he hasn't otherwise pinged as scummy so far.

 

What exactly were you agreeing with here? 

 

Also - what similar point did you make? I don't remember seeing one save for you saying it made sense for me to pursue Mish because I suggested the mass claim idea and she was playing sketchy around it.

 

I've bolded the part I agreed with; sorry I wasn't clear.

 

I made a post much earlier that scum could benefit from this mass claim because they could get town to flush out some of their characters, thus giving the mafia team a better idea of what claims they should make. I will say that when I made this point, I had forgotten that you had revealed right away, which weakens that argument, but doesn't rule it out completely. It just depends on whether or not you'd be willing to take that risk so that other mafia members could figure out some safe claims to make.

 

I don't give this much credence right now, AJ, because you're not pinging as scummy to me. So I don't really think this was a scum ploy on your part. I still agree that it definitely could have a benefit to scum, though, even if that was not your intent.

[Verbal32]

 

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

I'm legitimately curious about how you are coming to this conclusion. What benefits do the mafia have to suggesting a mass claim? If it's just 'town cred' then don't bother explaining. If anything, they could just simply say "Nope - not claiming" and not have to worry about it. How does me suggesting a mass claim and then throwing out my character immediately make sense from a mafia POV since as you have acknowledged here - it is common knowledge that they don't have fake claims?

 

Also, you are neglecting to think of Len's actions from his POV. At the time we had only seen 'secondary' characters claimed and you knew otherwise. Just because he suggested something contrary to what you had personal knowledge of literally means nothing about his alignment.

 

So basically the fact that some were able to look at the suggestion objectively and see the positive intent behind causes you to doubt it?

 

 

Ok, perhaps you didn't scumclaim after all.  I agree with the bold, and feel better about you now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This shows that you were waiting for the game to move rather than trying to get it moving yourself. That is anti-town.

No, it isn't. You're really reaching with this Vos pressure. This is not typical Wombat scumhunting. I'm no longer willing to fuse.

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing it.

Ill argue this one. It may be a bit if a stretch based on what he is arguing but Vos warrants the pressure here and very little on D1 isnt reaching to some extent. I like how open he is being about it.

 

 

Still disagree.  It doesn't matter that he is being open about it - the whole premise is a stretch.  Anti-town to want the game to come to you instead of pushing it along?  That's weak.  I can remember plenty of times I've wanted each to occur, and my alignment was irrelevant.

[michellem]

 

Oh wait, not Lenlo, though.  He's SUPASRS now.

 

 

This aint even Disney!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Playing coy about my claim was bound to get the mafia after me. I felt AJ's first post about a massclaim was superscummy, but I wanted to see what came from it. And then when he immediatley jumped me when he came back... It sealed the deal.

 

Well, why is it superscummy? What would a scum gain out of it?

 

 

What would town gain out of it? Really?

 

I wouldn't call it superscummy though, but it's certainly nothing but distracting both now and later in the game. Neither town nor mafia has a direct gain or loss from it - so who are the only one who has a gain in putting focus where it doesn't matter? 

 

 

Nothing much. I agree it doesn't help a lot either way and hence I was wondering why Mish finds it "superscummy".

 

 

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

 

This makes total sense to me; in fact, I made a similar point earlier. I just felt you were overly certain that AJ was scum because of your trap. Especially given that, for me, he hasn't otherwise pinged as scummy so far.

 

 

No his reaction cemented it for me.

 

 

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

I'm legitimately curious about how you are coming to this conclusion. What benefits do the mafia have to suggesting a mass claim? If it's just 'town cred' then don't bother explaining. If anything, they could just simply say "Nope - not claiming" and not have to worry about it. How does me suggesting a mass claim and then throwing out my character immediately make sense from a mafia POV since as you have acknowledged here - it is common knowledge that they don't have fake claims?

 

Also, you are neglecting to think of Len's actions from his POV. At the time we had only seen 'secondary' characters claimed and you knew otherwise. Just because he suggested something contrary to what you had personal knowledge of literally means nothing about his alignment.

 

So basically the fact that some were able to look at the suggestion objectively and see the positive intent behind causes you to doubt it?

 

 

Yeah you claimed a character... A very small character in a very obscure film. You're auto lock clear for the rest of the game! Wait, no. It's essentialy fake claiming 101. So obscure it HAS to be true right, and no chance of being CC'ed.

 

Lemme see. What's beneficial for mafia? Well, they'll know wich claims are already on the table and so lessens the risks of being CCed with a fakeclaim. I'd say that's pretty damn benficial. Also, add that to the "nah that move is too extreme for a mafia to try D1"-cred then I see quite alot of advantages.

 

Len's action wasn't him claiming we'd only seen secondary characters. It was him pushing me to reveal who was my character.

 

And that last line I'm not even gonna bother with. Trying to discredit me by making me seem unlogical isn't gonna make me go away or shut up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

I'm legitimately curious about how you are coming to this conclusion. What benefits do the mafia have to suggesting a mass claim? If it's just 'town cred' then don't bother explaining. If anything, they could just simply say "Nope - not claiming" and not have to worry about it. How does me suggesting a mass claim and then throwing out my character immediately make sense from a mafia POV since as you have acknowledged here - it is common knowledge that they don't have fake claims?

 

Also, you are neglecting to think of Len's actions from his POV. At the time we had only seen 'secondary' characters claimed and you knew otherwise. Just because he suggested something contrary to what you had personal knowledge of literally means nothing about his alignment.

 

So basically the fact that some were able to look at the suggestion objectively and see the positive intent behind causes you to doubt it?

 

Im also not 100% sure of Mish's claim. Something about it doesnt feel good to me.

 

 

Really? How come you didn't bring it up before someone else showed interesting in me then? And what exactly doesn't feel good?

 

 

 

Mish, I think your paranoia around the mass claim is healthy, but I don't see why you're scum reading AJ for it.  Assuming AJ really thought that a mass claim would help town, has he done anything scummy yet?

 

Yeah - I fell into her 'trap' lol

 

 

Making fun of me isn't gonna make me go away either.

[michellem]

Sorry for the WoT Lily </3

[Andrej]

 

 

 

This shows that you were waiting for the game to move rather than trying to get it moving yourself. That is anti-town.

No, it isn't. You're really reaching with this Vos pressure. This is not typical Wombat scumhunting. I'm no longer willing to fuse.

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing it.

Ill argue this one. It may be a bit if a stretch based on what he is arguing but Vos warrants the pressure here and very little on D1 isnt reaching to some extent. I like how open he is being about it.

 

I'll give you the bolded. I also agree that Vos was deserving of some pressure but I think Wombat's argument towards him isn't especially compelling. It comes across to me as him working very hard to make Vos look bad here when in reality the action wasn't.

[Lenlo]

 

 

Oh wait, not Lenlo, though.  He's SUPASRS now.

 

 

This aint even Disney!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Playing coy about my claim was bound to get the mafia after me. I felt AJ's first post about a massclaim was superscummy, but I wanted to see what came from it. And then when he immediatley jumped me when he came back... It sealed the deal.

 

Well, why is it superscummy? What would a scum gain out of it?

 

 

What would town gain out of it? Really?

 

I wouldn't call it superscummy though, but it's certainly nothing but distracting both now and later in the game. Neither town nor mafia has a direct gain or loss from it - so who are the only one who has a gain in putting focus where it doesn't matter? 

 

 

Nothing much. I agree it doesn't help a lot either way and hence I was wondering why Mish finds it "superscummy".

 

 

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

 

This makes total sense to me; in fact, I made a similar point earlier. I just felt you were overly certain that AJ was scum because of your trap. Especially given that, for me, he hasn't otherwise pinged as scummy so far.

 

 

No his reaction cemented it for me.

 

 

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

I'm legitimately curious about how you are coming to this conclusion. What benefits do the mafia have to suggesting a mass claim? If it's just 'town cred' then don't bother explaining. If anything, they could just simply say "Nope - not claiming" and not have to worry about it. How does me suggesting a mass claim and then throwing out my character immediately make sense from a mafia POV since as you have acknowledged here - it is common knowledge that they don't have fake claims?

 

Also, you are neglecting to think of Len's actions from his POV. At the time we had only seen 'secondary' characters claimed and you knew otherwise. Just because he suggested something contrary to what you had personal knowledge of literally means nothing about his alignment.

 

So basically the fact that some were able to look at the suggestion objectively and see the positive intent behind causes you to doubt it?

 

 

Yeah you claimed a character... A very small character in a very obscure film. You're auto lock clear for the rest of the game! Wait, no. It's essentialy fake claiming 101. So obscure it HAS to be true right, and no chance of being CC'ed.

 

Lemme see. What's beneficial for mafia? Well, they'll know wich claims are already on the table and so lessens the risks of being CCed with a fakeclaim. I'd say that's pretty damn benficial. Also, add that to the "nah that move is too extreme for a mafia to try D1"-cred then I see quite alot of advantages.

 

Len's action wasn't him claiming we'd only seen secondary characters. It was him pushing me to reveal who was my character.

 

And that last line I'm not even gonna bother with. Trying to discredit me by making me seem unlogical isn't gonna make me go away or shut up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's superscummy because in my eyes only mafia benefits from an early mass claim. The mafia don't have fake claims, we know that. They'll need to find their own. So both AJ's mass claim idea and Len's fishing that only secondary characters are involved stood out to me. The whole idea benefits the mafia way more than it does town. And the reactions it was getting, "It's a too risky move for mafia to make at this point, AJ is town" didn't help one bit. It seemed calculated to make people think that.

 

I'm legitimately curious about how you are coming to this conclusion. What benefits do the mafia have to suggesting a mass claim? If it's just 'town cred' then don't bother explaining. If anything, they could just simply say "Nope - not claiming" and not have to worry about it. How does me suggesting a mass claim and then throwing out my character immediately make sense from a mafia POV since as you have acknowledged here - it is common knowledge that they don't have fake claims?

 

Also, you are neglecting to think of Len's actions from his POV. At the time we had only seen 'secondary' characters claimed and you knew otherwise. Just because he suggested something contrary to what you had personal knowledge of literally means nothing about his alignment.

 

So basically the fact that some were able to look at the suggestion objectively and see the positive intent behind causes you to doubt it?

 

Im also not 100% sure of Mish's claim. Something about it doesnt feel good to me.

 

 

Really? How come you didn't bring it up before someone else showed interesting in me then? And what exactly doesn't feel good?

 

 

 

1) Dreamworks baby!

2) You say that was the action but in the post AJ quotes you explicity point out my thinking that secondary characters are what are in this game.

3) I did bring it up. It was ignored. Theres a reason im still voting you Mish.

[Verbal32]

@Mish - haven't we already established the sheer # of potential characters out there? Why are we fixating on fake claims?

[Verbal32]

My character is not the main character of the movie, so I'm not sure if I'm considered a secondary character or not. I'm a friend of the main character, I think. Never watched the movie.

[Lenlo]

My character is not the main character of the movie, so I'm not sure if I'm considered a secondary character or not. I'm a friend of the main character, I think. Never watched the movie.

If your not the main character, just a sidekick or something, then your secondary. Tertiary people that are there for like... one scene.

[Verbal32]

So you think more main chars are scum? Even if good in their movie?

[Andrej]

I think it's too early to tell.

 

It is funny that Mish seems to think that me claiming a minor character makes me scum when there are several others who have as well. Like, somebody talk to this girl please.

 

Conf-bias in the house.

[Lenlo]

So you think more main chars are scum? Even if good in their movie?

I dont know and I dont want to make assumptions like that. ATM we have no theme for what characters are what. I just wanna get a general feel for what kinda chars there are.

 

Mish's claim doesnt sit well with me because its completely different than anyone else weve had so far. Its not a classical disney movie, its character is completely dif than anyone elses ((Stitch was not a good guy for like... half the movie)) and its just bleh.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

This shows that you were waiting for the game to move rather than trying to get it moving yourself.  That is anti-town.

 

No, it isn't.  You're really reaching with this Vos pressure.  This is not typical Wombat scumhunting.  I'm no longer willing to fuse.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing it.

 

 

No, you aren't the only one. I'm really not liking wombat this second, and it has nothing to do with that monster he claimed. 

 

My character is not the main character of the movie, so I'm not sure if I'm considered a secondary character or not. I'm a friend of the main character, I think. Never watched the movie.

 

Mine is the dead parent of a character, that's right, I don't make it to the end of the movie. *sad face* 

[Alanna]

Len, WHY do you want to get a general feel for what characters are out there? I still see this as benefiting scum more than town, and I really am starting to feel you are flip-flopping on this issue, because I'm pretty sure I remember you agreeing with Wombat earlier that talking about claims is a waste of time.

 

Getting a feel for what characters are out there helps the scum come up with better fake claims.

 

For the town, it just won't be all that beneficial, because the town can never know for sure what characters are legit claims and what aren't. I'm not saying it's a totally useless discussion, but I really feel you are giving it too much attention.

[Verbal32]

Mufasa!!

[Leelou]

[unvote]

 

[v]Krak[/v]

 

I'm not finding Len overly scummy right now. Wombat and Krak are sticking out a bit more to me on my initial read. Krak for his weird reasoning on Lenlo and Wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwombat seems to be trying to figure out if the pasta is done yet by flinging it against the wall to see if it will stick. 

[Leelou]

Mufasa!!

 

Jerk.

 

Yes, I was killed by my brother so he could be king of the Pride lands. 

[Lenlo]

Len, WHY do you want to get a general feel for what characters are out there? I still see this as benefiting scum more than town, and I really am starting to feel you are flip-flopping on this issue, because I'm pretty sure I remember you agreeing with Wombat earlier that talking about claims is a waste of time.

 

Getting a feel for what characters are out there helps the scum come up with better fake claims.

 

For the town, it just won't be all that beneficial, because the town can never know for sure what characters are legit claims and what aren't. I'm not saying it's a totally useless discussion, but I really feel you are giving it too much attention.

Because I want to figure out the kind of theme with the game. I dont feel like Lily would just randomly through characters out there, and if I get a general feel I think Ill be able to see through fake claims.

 

Also yes I agreed with Wombat, that we should stop argueing about it and focus more on gameplay but atm the only real gameplay weve had from alot of people is surrounding their claims. Im doing the best with what ive got. ATM all of Mish's gameplay has been about her crappy trap and her claim. I dont like her claim so im pushing her but since her gameplay revolves around her claim I cant ignore it.

 

I disagree with you on how beneficial it will be btw.