[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN

[Basel Gill]

And Darthe started off on D1 looking so good. We need to lynch Hally or Amega for D3.

[hazelkrs1]

Plus, I just realized that you not mentioning me at all, plus asking about all others... means your team has likely already submitted a kill on me tonight. Yay.

[hazelkrs1]

And Darthe started off on D1 looking so good. We need to lynch Hally or Amega for D3.

 

Darthe ended D1 looking bad as well. Your instant vote on him after being totally cool with him defending you as town all game is EASILY the scummiest thing in the game so far.

 

We're lynching Basel tomorrow. Hallia after that, and then Pray after that.

 

Basel, you wanna talk about Pray real quick? Just for poops and giggles?

[Basel Gill]

And Darthe started off on D1 looking so good. We need to lynch Hally or Amega for D3.

[Basel Gill]

I think Pral is town. Early on he wad absent enough, and I think the mod wouldn't give that much leeway except for a VT. Which means not scum.

[Basel Gill]

Stupid double post.

[Pralaya]

You didn't ask me a question. You stated that someone in a group of likely town might be scum. It was fake scumhunting at it's finest worst.

 

There's nothing whatsoever that indicates that 4 people, who generally all have townreads on eachother, voting along with eachother makes any of them more likely to be scum.

 

It literally is the weakest attempt I've ever seen at trying to sow wifom into a town circle. Thank you Pray, for making the rest of this game a lot easier.

You really believe that Mish, Len and Tsuki voted with each other on Clov on Day 1? That is a very weak observation. Maybe the reason why you areso wrong in the first place.

 

Regarding your last sentence, it just confirms mys statement that you are being thick and is generally not ready to look beyond your bias. You already derped yesterday and it looks like you are going to derp tomorrow too.

[Pralaya]

The problem here, Des, is you are not at all looking at known information and trying to observe how everything connects with them. You are just throwing your reads, making assumptions and eventually getting it wrong, like you usually do.

 

(Also, I was on those 4 names long before you even entered the thread)

[hazelkrs1]

I think Pral is town. Early on he wad absent enough, and I think the mod wouldn't give that much leeway except for a VT. Which means not scum.

 

That's the second time you've come to the conclusion that Pray is a VT, both times on very dubious reasoning. Thank you for reconfirming my scumread of Pray.

 

Oh and good job dodging every point made against you this game. Cause you know, that's not scummy as heck or anything.

 

You really believe that Mish, Len and Tsuki voted with each other on Clov on Day 1?

I don't have to "believe" it. It's a verifiable fact.

 

Do I think they all voted together as town? Yes, cause I have townreads on all of them, and townies are willing to work together to achieve a lynch.

 

Showing people voting together as if that alone proves them to be scum is absolutely laughable. If you were really town that believed such bs, you'd be trying to verify it by looking for other connections between those people, or see who could possibly be town.

 

But no, you're just throwing out a lazy generic blanket type fos on a bunch of townies. Nice job,

 

That is a very weak observation.

It's not an observation, at least not in the manner you're saying. My observation is that all those people look extremely likely to be town. Them all voting together doesn't seem that significant or worth pointing out at all. Maybe if we had a scum flip as well, and they or some of them had voted together on the countertrain it would seem somewhat significant, but yeah what you pointed out was seriously just as transparent of a scum move as you could have made there.

 

Maybe the reason why you areso wrong in the first place.

I like how you just keep acting like I'm wrong instead of trying to see if I could be scum instead. Howl on, brother!

 

 

Regarding your last sentence, it just confirms mys statement that you are being thick and is generally not ready to look beyond your bias.

Terrible, terrible statement right here. You continue acting like I'm definitely wrong town instead of potential scum, and recently I ASKED YOU to try and show your alignment to me if you were town. You made absolutely zero effort to try and do this and instead tried fighting against the poe I and others have set up.

 

Don't get mad at me for you flying your scum colors Pray.

 

You already derped yesterday and it looks like you are going to derp tomorrow too.

Fearmonger much Pray? Seriously, you have removed all doubt in my mind that you will flip anything but scum. Thank you for that sir.

 

[Cory Caboose]

No words.

[Pralaya]

I don't have to "believe" it. It's a verifiable fact.

 

Do I think they all voted together as town? Yes, cause I have townreads on all of them, and townies are willing to work together to achieve a lynch.

Townreads, without looking at the context, motivations and just look at some vague tone reads. The way you got Darthe wrong using tone reads. The way you are getting me wrong. This is exactly what I am talking about not connecting the context with known information. This is exactly why ton reads doesn't work. How did that work the last two games where I was scum, where you thought I was town based on tone reads? :D

 

Showing people voting together as if that alone proves them to be scum is absolutely laughable. If you were really town that believed such bs, you'd be trying to verify it by looking for other connections between those people, or see who could possibly be town.

It is a pretty string point. I don't believe in co-incidences and when I see the same people vote two townies that is a straight giveaway. It could happen once but not twice. It is impossible that all the four are town.

 

I like how you just keep acting like I'm wrong instead of trying to see if I could be scum instead. Howl on, brother!

 

Yeah, because you are on your usual derp town persona. Scum des wouldn't be this wrong intentionally.

 

Fearmonger much Pray? Seriously, you have removed all doubt in my mind that you will flip anything but scum. Thank you for that sir.

 

And, when I eventually won't flip scum, I will laugh at your face for single-handedly helping scum win the game :)

[hazelkrs1]

Townreads, without looking at the context, motivations and just look at some vague tone reads. The way you got Darthe wrong using tone reads. The way you are getting me wrong. This is exactly what I am talking about not connecting the context with known information. This is exactly why ton reads doesn't work. How did that work the last two games where I was scum, where you thought I was town based on tone reads? :D

 

Tone had so little to do with my read on Darthe it's insane you even bring it up here.

 

Darthe immediately started acting defensive and somewhat hostile to me right when I subbed in, acting like I would def be an adversary. Knowing myself to be town, this seemed like extremely strange behavior. He also AtE'd a ton, and was defending people that looked scummy while trying to lynch people who looked town.

 

Immediately after his flip, I went back and considered how this affected my reads. It re-solidified my reads on Basel and Hallia, and additionally made me reopen consideration on one of my town reads, which was somewhat associative based on Darthe possibly being scum.

 

I don't solely use tone to scumhunt, that's ridiculous. It IS a powerful tool, but like most scumhunting tools, it's not 100% reliable. Either way, tone reads are NOT to blame here. You're just mad that my town tone reads are likely spot on, leaving the poe for you even smaller

 

It is a pretty string point. I don't believe in co-incidences and when I see the same people vote two townies that is a straight giveaway. It could happen once but not twice. It is impossible that all the four are town.

 

If Darthe was alive he could tell you about how recently in another game, he saw a bunch of people voting together, on either town reads of his or on people that flipped town, so used that to do the entirety of his scumhunting that game. He was town, but was derping hardcore because EVERYONE OF THE PEOPLE HE WAS LOOKING AT WAS TOWN.

 

Town vote together all the time, especially active town.

 

Again, there is nothing whatsoever you have shown that makes their voting record look strange in any way. Saying that it is "impossible" for all four to be town because they voted together is just unbelievably absurd.

 

 

I like how you just keep acting like I'm wrong instead of trying to see if I could be scum instead. Howl on, brother!

 

Yeah, because you are on your usual derp town persona. Scum des wouldn't be this wrong intentionally.

 

 

LOL @ "usual derp town persona".

 

 

Pray, I'm not always right. I don't always make the right play. But I'm not considered one of the stronger scumhunters on DM for no reason. When I derp, there's normally a reason for my derp, like a derp on someone else's part. You taunting me about being a bad player or something is hilarious, and again, extremely scummy.

 

 

Fearmonger much Pray? Seriously, you have removed all doubt in my mind that you will flip anything but scum. Thank you for that sir.

 

And, when I eventually won't flip scum, I will laugh at your face for single-handedly helping scum win the game :)

 

Again moar taunting. Wow.

 

Pray, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you should be doing right now. Taunting me is exactly what scum would do in this situation.

 

If by some wild stretch of reality you WERE in fact town, just drop this act completely because it is doing NOTHING to help town and will just get yourself lynched.

 

Instead of taunting me, actually put #work in. Making a lazy vague statement about people voting together doesn't come close to counting as genuine #work. If you think there's scum within the four you mentioned, TRY AND FIND THEM. Look for evidence, find clues, gather stuff to support your hypothesis. If it looks like it could have come from town!Pray, I guarantee you I will consider it with an open mind.

 

So far you have dug yourself an immense hole. If you're town and you get mislynched, it will be on you my friend, not on me. So get with the program, drop the snide and snarky comments, and play mafia. Any future taunts will be regarded as lolcatting on your part and will lead to me ignoring your posts.

[hazelkrs1]

I will say this.

 

I would still NEVER vote to lynch Craylee or Mish. Both are still obvtown and GOAT.

 

I wouldn't lynch Lenlo anytime soon, but he's not quite as cleared as the two above. I hope to see him continue contributing.

 

The last town read I had however, has been weakened somewhat by Darthe's flip. Part of the reason I had a townread on Tsuki is that Darthe seemed scummy to me, and he went after Tsuki rather lazily. Tsuki also had decent tone, and his half-hearted entrance to the thread def seemed kinda townie in a weird way. Now that Darthe has flipped town tho, Tsuki would be the first one I'd tinfoil on.

 

Basel is not doing anything to help town, and is ducking every point made against him, while throwing out opportunistic votes or fos's. His vote on Darthe, which hammered Darthe before any potential claim, when Darthe had been defending Basel all game and Basel seemed to have no problem with it, remains the single scummiest thing in the game by far.

 

Hallia is right on her scum meta. Isn't contributing much, isn't answering questions posed to her, and is sheeping others a lot instead of making her own observations.

 

Pray is looking outright terrible right now for his taunting me after the lynch, the fearmongering, the lazy blanket fos at four of my townreads, and in general fighting against scumhunting more than contributing to it (the most he's done this game is try and drive a wedge between townies trying to clear one another by actually acting townie).

 

Amega is a slight enigma- I can see justification for his earlier behavior, and doesn't have as much against him as others, but his activity does seem to have declined a lot once people started sharing him as a common scumread. Even tho he was wrong in his reads a lot in OUAT mafia in Thak, I was still able to read him as town due to his tone and townie passion. Hopefully he starts contributing more again so we can figure him out.

 

So in order from towniest to scummiest-

 

Des

Craylee

Mish

Lenlo

Tsuki

Amega

Hallia

Pray

Basel

[Pralaya]

Tone had so little to do with my read on Darthe it's insane you even bring it up here.

 

Darthe immediately started acting defensive and somewhat hostile to me right when I subbed in, acting like I would def be an adversary. Knowing myself to be town, this seemed like extremely strange behavior. He also AtE'd a ton, and was defending people that looked scummy while trying to lynch people who looked town.

 

Immediately after his flip, I went back and considered how this affected my reads. It re-solidified my reads on Basel and Hallia, and additionally made me reopen consideration on one of my town reads, which was somewhat associative based on Darthe possibly being scum.

 

I don't solely use tone to scumhunt, that's ridiculous. It IS a powerful tool, but like most scumhunting tools, it's not 100% reliable. Either way, tone reads are NOT to blame here. You're just mad that my town tone reads are likely spot on, leaving the poe for you even smaller

Let us look at some basic things here

1. Darthe being hostile is not scummy. There are numerous instances where Darthe has been hostile when he is town and he is usually when he is town. You even vigged him once on the same reason, to the detriment of town.

2. Same with AtE. He AtEs more when he is town

3. Defending people who "looked scummy". Again, this was a read on him based on your, what I believe, erroneous read of others. And, trying to lynch people who YOU thought townie and who I am finding very scummy. Again, this is a problem with YOUR reads rather than his.

 

So, do you see what I am saying? All your read on Darthe was based on YOUR assumption of alignment and not what was based on known information - namely Tommy and Clov alignments. This is exactly my point about using tone and emotions without analysing the context. This is why you are usually wrong.

 

Again, there is nothing whatsoever you have shown that makes their voting record look strange in any way. Saying that it is "impossible" for all four to be town because they voted together is just unbelievably absurd.

All you have to do is to look at Colv's votes.

 

Why did Tsuki change his read on Clov from town to scum just based on Tommy's case? Mish did not even give a reason and just sheeped Tommy, blatantly mentioning it. Cory did not even say anything. Nothing strange? You are just being thick here.

 

Pray, I'm not always right. I don't always make the right play. But I'm not considered one of the stronger scumhunters on DM for no reason. When I derp, there's normally a reason for my derp, like a derp on someone else's part. You taunting me about being a bad player or something is hilarious, and again, extremely scummy.

That is not my experience playing with you.

 

In most of the games I was scum, I intentionally prevented your NK with the assumption that you would confuse the town so much that it would be in our benefit. You can look at the QTs if you want. THat is because, in my experience, you have been way off in your reads most of the games. There were a few games where you indeed stepped up - that Hydra game is an example - but otherwise mostly it is bad. And, yeah, you generally try to transfer your mistakes to others.

 

It is not taunting - it is just an annoyance when I am seeing the same thing here.

 

Again moar taunting. Wow.

 

Pray, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you should be doing right now. Taunting me is exactly what scum would do in this situation.

 

If by some wild stretch of reality you WERE in fact town, just drop this act completely because it is doing NOTHING to help town and will just get yourself lynched.

Yeah, as I said, i am not taunting. The fact here is that you are totally off on my alignment and your refusal to look at the contethe xt on others is what is bothering me and what I feel is actually hurting town. You were wrong on Darthe when I had a good town read on him. I am wanting you to look at the information we have and all you have been doing is calling me scum - in every post. How is that helping?

 

Instead of taunting me, actually put #work in. Making a lazy vague statement about people voting together doesn't come close to counting as genuine #work. If you think there's scum within the four you mentioned, TRY AND FIND THEM. Look for evidence, find clues, gather stuff to support your hypothesis. If it looks like it could have come from town!Pray, I guarantee you I will consider it with an open mind.

I already did that N1 and D2. You can read my posts against Cory and you would get all your clues. Juts because you are looking at it from a biased point of view and trying to dismiss them as weak doesn't mean that the facts are not there. I am more than convinced Cory is scum. All you have to do is to look at my cases against him.

 

So far you have dug yourself an immense hole. If you're town and you get mislynched, it will be on you my friend, not on me.

Not at all. You are the one derping here and not me. You already got a townie lynched with your erroneous read and you are going to do the same further. You are losing it for us.

[Cory Caboose]

Alright.

First thing, pretty sure MYLO is coming up and I'm not so certain I'll live to see it. I am going to say this once and only once: Never, ever, ever, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, lynch Mish or Des. If either of them is somehow Mafia they have deserved their win, I am LOCKING THEM IN 100% AS VILLAGERS.

 

I still feel good about Lenlo and I still feel good about Tsuki. One more mislynch likely ends the game, and I'm willing to draw a line to say that if either is Mafia we are going to lose.

I think there is a very good chance it is as simple as Basel/Pray/Hallia. Last phase we circled this down, and the immediately MMQBing from Pray/Basel trying to use Darthe's last-second musings (which have been about as accurate as anything he's said this game  ) 

 

Amega went MIA, but I think he's more likely to be the townie of that four. To be honest when day starts if any of that four has ANYTHING that could be clearing they should claim it.

[Cory Caboose]

I'm not even reading much of Pray at this point because it's #DartheLogic town-train wagonomics garbage that I have to argue is dumb every game, but the fact that he's suddenly ramping up the arguments and activity right before MyLo despite being utterly MIA during all of the Day 2 mislynch and during the Clov wagon should be pretty damn telling.

 

Why aren't you saying ANYTHING during the Day? It seems your gameplay this entire game is "let the vocal players do what they want without any resistance, and then drop in to taunt them for being wrong". Yeah, Tommy was wrong on Clov and I was wrong on Darthe. I am NOT afraid to be wrong, but since Day 1 it's been no one but me/Mish/Tommy doing any serious work until Des joined the game. I can work without what I've got and we've had a huge amount of inactives/non-participants/Darthes and sifting through that to find the Mafia can be difficult when the townies aren't willing to clear themselves through WIM and effort and observations.

 

Pray, what have you ACTUALLY done this game? You dropped some awful, self-contradictory and 100% conditional reads and then stepped up to let power townies know they should feel bad for being wrong.

Awesome

A+

 

WTG

[Cory Caboose]

Mafia, you should kill me tonight. I know you can taste that one last ML and I've been being set-up by Hallia/Pray the whole game but if you think there is any chance of me ever going down like that you are insane. Get me in a corner, seriously. See what happens.

[hazelkrs1]

I'm not even reading much of Pray at this point because it's #DartheLogic town-train wagonomics garbage that I have to argue is dumb every game, but the fact that he's suddenly ramping up the arguments and activity right before MyLo despite being utterly MIA during all of the Day 2 mislynch and during the Clov wagon should be pretty damn telling.

 

Why aren't you saying ANYTHING during the Day? It seems your gameplay this entire game is "let the vocal players do what they want without any resistance, and then drop in to taunt them for being wrong". Yeah, Tommy was wrong on Clov and I was wrong on Darthe. I am NOT afraid to be wrong, but since Day 1 it's been no one but me/Mish/Tommy doing any serious work until Des joined the game. I can work without what I've got and we've had a huge amount of inactives/non-participants/Darthes and sifting through that to find the Mafia can be difficult when the townies aren't willing to clear themselves through WIM and effort and observations.

 

Pray, what have you ACTUALLY done this game? You dropped some awful, self-contradictory and 100% conditional reads and then stepped up to let power townies know they should feel bad for being wrong.

 

Awesome

A+

 

WTG

This. So much this.

[hazelkrs1]

Mafia, you should kill me tonight. I know you can taste that one last ML and I've been being set-up by Hallia/Pray the whole game but if you think there is any chance of me ever going down like that you are insane. Get me in a corner, seriously. See what happens.

 

You should live one more night at least. Pretty sure Pray spewed me town because I'm about to be NKed.

[Cory Caboose]

If I live I am thunderdoming Pral and I am going to win.

 

Think hard about your nightkill, cats.

[Cory Caboose]

Would LOVE something REAL from Amega/Hallia, basically my missing link here. Please start posting your thoughts, read the thread a little more and tell me where you are at.

[Hallia]

I'm at...waiting on day, usually I find srs night talk dangerous

[hazelkrs1]

I'm at...waiting on day, usually I find srs night talk dangerous

[Kaylee]

Alright.

First thing, pretty sure MYLO is coming up and I'm not so certain I'll live to see it. I am going to say this once and only once: Never, ever, ever, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, lynch Mish or Des. If either of them is somehow Mafia they have deserved their win, I am LOCKING THEM IN 100% AS VILLAGERS.

 

I still feel good about Lenlo and I still feel good about Tsuki. One more mislynch likely ends the game, and I'm willing to draw a line to say that if either is Mafia we are going to lose.

I think there is a very good chance it is as simple as Basel/Pray/Hallia. Last phase we circled this down, and the immediately MMQBing from Pray/Basel trying to use Darthe's last-second musings (which have been about as accurate as anything he's said this game  ) 

 

Amega went MIA, but I think he's more likely to be the townie of that four. To be honest when day starts if any of that four has ANYTHING that could be clearing they should claim it.

I've been undecided on Amega, but I think he's likely town as well. I want to go for Basel tomorrow personally. I've had a scum read on him since D1. As far as Pray, we'll see. I have the same 3 as above as the likely scum team.

 

 

 

Would LOVE something REAL from Amega/Hallia, basically my missing link here. Please start posting your thoughts, read the thread a little more and tell me where you are at.

This.

[Kaylee]

Pray: as far as Mish goes, she may not have had a wonderful reason for voting Clov, but overall she's played a townie game. Couldn't she just be wrong townie? Why is only Des given that consideration? She's on her town meta and has been active and making good points.