[Basic] Clash of the ancients - Mafia Wins!

[Darthe]

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[Andrej]

 

 

Your mom.

Dorothy Mantooth is a saint.

[Darthe]

 

Twas a joke long before that game I think. For games my favorite is still that WW2 game.

 

Also im rereading/catching up right now and once im done ill be read to be serious.

 

Scum.

 

I don't disagree but why?

 

 

@Tress with sniffles:  Ya know Mount Dhoom doesn't seem so ominous compared to the mole-hill you just enhanced.  

 

First question:  Why are you defending Wwwwwwombat?   Why should it bother you so much what I say about Wwwwwomby?  The effort to which you and Despo have gone to defend him is very curious; however, I think I get why.  Doesn't mean all three of you aren't scum, it just explains things.  Kinda hard to use collusion as a reason for scum in a game about the "CLASH OF ANCIENTS" if you know what I mean.

 

Second:  My vote on Wwwwombat was because he was the only one who didn't vote but FOS'd instead.  His play from that point on convinced me to keep it there.  Not just answering my own questions, but his whole deal.  When you vote someone and they further show strong signs of being scum, does it make sense to UNVOTE them?

 

Third:  Why isn't any part of your post above directed at JackD or Nolder? I appreciate the attention you are giving me...I am flattered, but shouldn't we be more concerned with two blokes who jump on a bandwagon the moment the Mod posts a deadline? 

 

 

And yet you still refuse to consider the case on AJ.  Why is that?

 

I'm finding it harder to consider people I share a chat with scum here.  Anyone else experiencing that?  Also, Wombat is asking the right questions in this game.

 

Observations so far:

 

Wombat trying to start a lynch train

Des buddying Lewis (and Wombat)

Wombat overplaying his train

Lewis playing carefree

Krak and Lenlo playing nice solid D1-townies

AJ doing a reasonably good job at "defense" from the train

Nolder doing a cheap sheep-vote

Wombat overplaying carefreeness when he starts getting votes

Getting more town-vibes from Des when he starts WOTing. 

Uneasy with Jack clearing Nolder because he was too plainly scummy for his skills

Wary of Tress, she seems to be directing attention, but giving her benefit of the doubt

Also meh at Krak voting me without adding anything to it, for jokevoting "too late"

 

I'll ##Unvote 

 

Interesten in Tress' reads. Also think Ice has been suprisingly quiet. Adviced to stay abit more in the background? Wombat reads as pretty scummy to me, but on the other hand he has done the best job at garnering reactions at getting the party started. While I do think he overplayed it, that's my opinion and doesn't have to be a scumtell

 

I'm still very unsure here, but for now I will go with my guts and

 

##Vote Jack

 

His clearing of Nolder was pretty buddying-up, and while not many posts yet something just seems off here. 

Much as I dislike Vos play so far this was really a good post and that is hard to fake when you're new.

 

I don't like Vos' reads, but he looks pretty "WiM" right now as the cool kids would say.  I'd also like to hear from AJ and the inactives.

Or... ditto Wombat.  

 

 

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140419T00&p0=76&msg=night.&csz=1

## Unvote and vote wombat

 

I get the heebeegeebees reading your posts. I'm sad your scum I wanted you to be town. How could you do this to me.

Wombat is town leading.

 

##Vote Wombat

Why are we not leading two trains on these clowns? Look at the timing. These three posts are all within an hour of each other. Nolder had to know his vote would be 3rd and accusing Wwwwwomby of leading the town seems very obtuse. JackD's initial reason is in a joking manner, but he still has failed to give any tangible evidence that explains why he jumped the vote less than 30 minutes after a 72 hour deadline was posted.

 

##unvote Wombat

 

##vote JackD

 

I don't see Nolder pointing any fingers at JackD nor do I see it the other way around. Very curious when two people jump on a ONE VOTE train (started by the new guy) so quickly and yet vaguely explain why.....and DON'T call the other out on bandwagoning.

Irony thine name is Lewis. Voting me in quick succession, with Vos, and mostly calling me out and not the bandwagoner (Nolder) and you did the same thing lolz.

 

I explained thoroughly my vote on wombat.

 

Vos, if you don't like my clearing of Nolder, and your trying to tie the both of us together, why not vote Nolder? He voted without the reason and what would be considered a rapid fire bandwagon/pressure vote. That's odd to me.

 

##unvote ##vote Therin

 

Quoting for sincerity.  We can confirm he thought this and that adds weight to it.

 

Also, Lenlo's content is way too low for the number of posts he has imo.  I'm looking forward to that reread.

Yupp.

 

 

 

Nolder not really. The fact that he tried to use reason to seperate what it really was is eye catching. Looks like a trumped up pressure vote. And I may be giving him to much credit but doubt he'd play so basically with his skill set as a player.

 

AJ seems to be stretching what I viewed as an obvious joke. But reading objectively I can see what he's saying but don't agree with it and also think he's making to big of a deal out of it

I always use a reason and it's scummy not to.

Were you in the physics game that was ran recently?

I remember Wombat, Des, Dawn, Lenlo and Vos were and they can vouch for this.

I talked a lot about why it's important for townies to always give an identifiable reason with their votes.

 

I dislike the way you play as of late.  It is stubborn (which I approve of) but also unwieldy.  You say a lot more than you need to and it muddles your words.  That's just a comment from one player to another with respect.  This sort of self-referral to meta could have gained you more if it was evident rather than stated.

 

 

 

I haven't even been reading AJ's posts and they sound/look like they're flailing/desperate.

 

Man, thanks.

 

Here I was thinking I'm going to have to reset my view of this game and start from scratch when I got home, but you saved me the hassle.

 

This is just a terrible nudge in my direction. This is the type of snipe posts I expect scum to make, especially with the intentional usage of buzzwords like 'flailing'. The irony is only made sweeter with how you say you aren't even reading my posts, which of course is helpful. If you truly feel this way then perhaps you can bring up your dislike for me to address instead of sitting on the sidelines and lobbing crap like this up. It feels even worse when I couple it with your weaksauce vote on Vos earlier where you just quoted his post and then added your vote without any commentary.

 

##vote Krak

 

Lol you're making a fluff case because my comment made me easy game for you, switching your attention to a target that could probably make for a decent train opportunity.  Either you're flustered town or you're scum thanking me for redirecting heat.

 

Your reaction steers me towards the latter.

 

##Unvote

##Vote AJ

 

 

Your ISO of me is like a cherry on top, overboard for town making this argument.   You're padding your case because you need whatever you can pin on me.  You could have easily have said that I have three posts of game-related content - the "getting his post count up" is quite droll as I'm hardly ever a top poster and have never really cared about it.  It reads like a moderate level case imo.

 

"Not getting a #gamesolve feel from this guy"    that's basically your entire case but instead of just laying it out you're grabbing at feathers to stuff your [pillow]case.

 

 

Bold strips away your bluster and lays bare your sigh of relief.  It is your undoing.

 

Krak is so clear this game it isn't even funny

 

I apologize, but I really don't see how AJ has done anything other than what the rest of us have done.  Apply pressure and call people out for the same things we have all called each other out on.  He's been active and responded with logical reasons for everything he posted. 

 

Perhaps we play differently here, but it has been my best mafia experiences when we catch a scummy by his/her actions not her words.  From what I have seen here at DM, none of the players here seem to be morons.  We're all playing with logical people, so no mafia in perfect mental health would vote without some fragment of logic attached to it.

 

Still, I'll bet if you took a poll among the legends of mafia from all the world over and asked them....

 

"How suspicious would you be of two players who both jumped on a then one-person lynch train moments after the mod posted a deadline, especially when there were already two other choices to join?" 

 

you would find a whopping majority to agree......"HERE, THERE BE SCUM!"

You are really trying to sell the crowd too much here.  It makes me suspect you.  

 

Just FYI for those of you who aren't aware, I know Lewis from other sites and he is on par with Yates, AP, ScumVerb (which is like a proverb), Mynd, etc.  Don't let him try to play the newbie card here or he will run this game in secret.

 

regarding my joke vote.

 

a) i did it that way to make it obvious it was a joke

 

and

 

b) ive been saying i want to autolynch people who say lock clear in a couple of games now  so i decided to back up what i said.

 

and 

 

c) it was fun and made me laugh

Actually... Dice is clear too.  That's awesome.  Now I get to readjust my reads because I have a few that are def clear for me.  

 

Less than 24 hours to go, we need to start consolidating.

 

Ice is nowhere to be found.

I hate to pull the inactivity card so early but I'd rather cut potentially dead weight (no offense) than find out what the consequences of no majority are.

 

Wombat I'll give you until Day 2 to get your act together.

Saying your sick of DM meta is fine and I can't fault you for changing up your game style but the contradiction you pulled when jumping from AJ to me was pretty bad and now you're on Lenlo (although in fairness Lenlo deserved it).

 

##Unvote

 

##Vote Ice

The IC is strong here too, much as I hate to say it.

 

first, i'd like to apologize for not being around here a lot. Some RL stuff has me occupied more than i'd like.

 

Now, for the game. I've been following through notifications and have been rereading this morning. The most scum feel i get are Krak and Nolder. Don't see a lot of information in Krak's posts and votes, which makes me suspicious of him. Nolder was doing alright, but when he voted Ice just to get rid of an inactive member... he could just as easily have voted on me too. Going for an easy lynch by saying he wants to lose dead weight.... really don't like it.

 

Would like to see more from ice, dawn, tress and dice. Not being around that much, so null read on them.

 

Still need to make up my mind on everybody else... i'll try to work on that.

 

## unvote Ice

 

## Vote Nolder

Another good newbie post here.  I don't necessarily agree with the reads presented but his reasoning is really sound.

 

This was pages 12-17 btw

[Krakalakachkn]

 

And I think I shall ##Vote AJ. Wombat's hunches are usually pretty good, and it's easy to get AJ to squeal if he's scum.

Mmmmm dont like this either, but its Des so its not /to/ out of character for him. Gonna hold onto it though.

 

 

I felt like he was more buddying you by immediately agreeing with your 'hunch'

 

Feels like he already knows who you are, etc.

 

Lol.  He knows I'm good when I'm town.  That's all he needed to know.  But thanks for outing yourself as scum.

Dont like this. Your just brushing it off like its nothing then immediately going back and calling him scum for doing what a towny should do imo, scumhunting. Des didnt something odd and hes looking closely at it. Your def of Des is noted.

 

 

 

 

Nah bruh 

 

I seriously don't understand your statement there. You seem to be acknowledging what I am saying about Despo, but somehow that leads you to the conclusion that I am scum??

 

I acknowledged that you said it.  I didn't say it was correct.  Despo doesn't need to know I'm town in order to sheep me on D1.  At the very least, it gives him info on me.

 

Obviously you don't think I am correct if your vote is any sort of indication. I can see where you're coming from on trying to gain info on you. It didn't come across that way to me, however. Do you think you are so easily read for Despo to sheep you without question after a few posts? He indicated rather strongly that he thinks you are Town.

I like this point by AJ. I dont think Des is scum, but im feeling bad about Wombat. The way hes acting and his responses arnt leaving me with good feelings.

 

 

FYI, my initial vote on AJ was about 75% serious.  It is now 100% serious.  He is obvious mafia.  His trying to accuse Despo instead of me looks like an attempt to discredit his train without looking like complete and total OMGUS.  Also, his accusation of Despo town reading me was not only unfounded, but wouldn't even make sense if it were founded.

 

My point on Despo is a legit one, even if you can't or refuse to see it. And as far as wanting to avoid OMGUS, what does that matter? If I felt like I had reason to vote you, I would. OMGUS is a poor and unreliable 'scum' tell at best IMO. Unfounded how? Despo said himself that when you are town that your hunches are good. You voted me on a 'hunch' therefore Despo has to assume that you were town in order for the hunch to be good and to follow it himself. How did he come to this conclusion based on your posts prior to that one? That is my point, which I have been trying to express all along. Lol like that seriously doesn't bother you? I feel like I'm beating a dead horse at this point. Regardless, it's something that I'll keep in my pocket for later game.

Wombat says he is 100% on AJ but later on he switchs to Nolder? Why when your 100% scum on AJ? Again I like AJ's Def and dont like Wombats brushing it off. I detest the phrasing of the bolded though. This looks horrible to me and while I thought AJ was town before now im not so sure.

 

 

I haven't even been reading AJ's posts and they sound/look like they're flailing/desperate.

I will agree with this.

Whether he deserved pressure or not he doesn't seem to be holding up well.

 

Aaaaaand the nudges. I disagree with the point and I disagree with the pushes towards AJ. If you think this though why arnt you voting him? Seems like a good reason to be on him, yet your not. You also later go after Wombat. They cant both be scum at this point, so it looks to me like your holding out with reasons ready to go for voting either of them.

 

For now ##vote Nolder

 

Dont like his recent play and while im suspicious of Wombat, I think if we lynch Nolder it will clear some of the things around him up abit.

 

 

Len appears to be heavily skimming and starts a new train with less than 24 hours to the deadline.  There's not a whole lot going on in this reread besides changing reads on Des/Womby/AJ. Look at his first two quotes of Despo and Wombat - he doesn't like Despo's vote for AJ but for some reason waives his gut read on Despo with a Danny Tanner shake of the head followed by a "lolz it's Despo" but then immediately FoSs Wombat for brushing off a question about THE VERY SAME VOTE MADE BY DESPO!!!  He tries to hide it by saying Wombat calls AJ scummy for questioning the vote, and yet Lenlo does the exact same thing 

 

YUP THAT'S A SCUM CLAIM Y'ALL   

 

 

 

Lenlo's "reread" is very lacking in substance and he obviously skimmed the thread heavily, as he accused Dice and Vos of "piling on" Des with joke votes when Dice unvoted Des the very post after he made his joke vote.  His vote on Nolder is also rather opportunistic with a hedge that implies that if Nolder flips town, I am scum.  Basic scum move.

I never said if nolder flips town you would be scum. I said it would help clear things up and never stated how. Your putting words in my mouth and then using them to vote me. Now thats a scummy thing to do.

 

 

You heavily implied it.

 

 

Hence my use of the word "implies."

 

See?

 

 

 

 

Aaaaaand the nudges. I disagree with the point and I disagree with the pushes towards AJ. If you think this though why arnt you voting him? Seems like a good reason to be on him, yet your not. You also later go after Wombat. They cant both be scum at this point, so it looks to me like your holding out with reasons ready to go for voting either of them.

 

For now ##vote Nolder

 

Dont like his recent play and while im suspicious of Wombat, I think if we lynch Nolder it will clear some of the things around him up bait.

 

 

 

It didnt imply that though. You made it imply that and then left it there for others to see so they would think the same.

 

  OF COURSE a lynch of Nolder is going to clear up "some things" around him.  That statement is completely warrantless and so DUH I can't even stand it     So what are we left to conclude except that you meant Nolder's lynch will clear up some things about Wombat?

 

If you don't see how anybody arrived at that conclusion then you're just playing dumb because you're FROZEN.

 

 

 

Happy to lynch any of the following:

 

Lenlo

Vos

AJ

Tress

[Darthe]

Not going to quote the whole thing but in post 359 Lewis says:

 

"I wouldn't be surprised if among these four are the entire three mafia team: Jack, Nolder, Lenlo, and Dice.

 

Assuming 3 mafia in a 15 player game, of course.  The power of 3 seems to compel me in this game.  ;)"

 

This is a really casual statement and something that I learned to do as scum from Mynd when he was still around.  Anytime you make a list of 3-4 players include a scum buddy.  Combining this with the number of times Lewis mentions Lenlo and a couple other things I have quoted I anticipate that if Len is mafia then this will be his teammate.  It also fits with my null read on Nolbat and town read on dice.  Jack was town, so that adds up well.  

[Krakalakachkn]

It's like you're in my head.

 

 

Into the town pile with you!

 

 

 

 

FTR

 

 

Town

 

Wombat

Dice

Darthe

[Probably] Thane

 

 

Null

 

Des

Nolder

Lewis

 

 

Iffy on TG

 

[dawnflower8]

Even though I was joking about it when I voted I seriously want to lynch Lenlo.

[Krakalakachkn]

Even though I was joking about it when I voted I seriously want to lynch Lenlo.

 

What are your reasons?

[LewisFriendly]

Ya know, all I see is a lot of scrambling right now.

 

Can I get some bacon with all this scrambled mess?

[Darthe]

 

Okay so was catching up, and noticed this:

 

 

I don't see Nolder pointing any fingers at JackD nor do I see it the other way around. Very curious when two people jump on a ONE VOTE train (started by the new guy) so quickly and yet vaguely explain why.....and DON'T call the other out on bandwagoning.

Irony thine name is Lewis. Voting me in quick succession, with Vos, and mostly calling me out and not the bandwagoner (Nolder) and you did the same thing lolz.

 

I explained thoroughly my vote on wombat.

 

Vos, if you don't like my clearing of Nolder, and your trying to tie the both of us together, why not vote Nolder? He voted without the reason and what would be considered a rapid fire bandwagon/pressure vote. That's odd to me.

 

##unvote ##vote Therin

 

 

So here Jack says it's odd that Lewis doesn't vote Nolder instead of Jack

 

And yet, earlier in the thread...

 

 

 

All the things you have brought up about Wombat tho are either not out of the norm for around here, or he has addressed fairly easily. I like where your head is at, trying to find stuff, I just don't think you have anything with Wombat so far. He could be scum but right now I'm not seeing it, and the speed with which his train grew is slightly discomforting as well, even with the deadline being posted.

I h8 u

 

Your throwing some major townie vibes and you have my conflicted. Tempted to call you scum just for the nostalgia.

 

Anyways. I wanted to quote you buy not the behemoth you presented earlier as I can't trim it properly due to being on mobile.

 

Anyways, to your point about my vote on wombat or my wording of said vote. (which seems to be your issue instead of the vote itself.) I was using playful banter that's all.

 

As far as my reasoning goes.

 

Mainly gut pinging but reading Wombat's post their to nonchalant. Normally he played off the cuff but it also has substance or it goes somewhere. It has a logical procession that joj can see he's trying to get somewhere.

 

 

 lol

 

Well, I will say that Wombat def has a slightly diff tone as town and scum. Town his tone seems to be almost... sharp sometimes. Like a cold form of aggressive. As scum he might be slightly more amenable. So I can see what you're saying there.

 

However, I think your read on Wombat might be just a little bit dated. His tone has softened somewhat lately, in some ways at least. He'll still flash into feral wombat mode at times, but will also be more likely to post... "nonchalantly" as you say. So I still don't really see it.

 

What do you think about AJ btw? Or Nolder? Did you find his vote suspicious at all?

 

 

 

Nolder not really. The fact that he tried to use reason to seperate what it really was is eye catching. Looks like a trumped up pressure vote. And I may be giving him to much credit but doubt he'd play so basically with his skill set as a player.

 

AJ seems to be stretching what I viewed as an obvious joke. But reading objectively I can see what he's saying but don't agree with it and also think he's making to big of a deal out of it

 

 

So null on AJ

Slight townie lean with nolder

 

 

So earlier he himself stated he found nothing suspicious with Nolder's vote. Lewis calls him out because Nol and Jack weren't fos'ing eachother or pointing out the bandwagoning, so then Jack responds and acts like Nolder's vote looked suspicious and thinks Lewis should be voting him instead.

 

That's pretty much a scumclaim folks.

 

##Unvote AJ

##Vote Jack

 

More to follow.

 

Not related to my read on you but since the champs game you've gotten considerably better at presenting yourself well.  Your tone is great now and I really now consider you someone I could nominate for player of the year.  Bravo good sir.  

 

Also, you guys need to stop town reading Lenlo for no reason.  He's done nothing to help the town and hasn't responded to my latest question.

Lol Womby town is great

 

 

So earlier he himself stated he found nothing suspicious with Nolder's vote. Lewis calls him out because Nol and Jack weren't fos'ing eachother or pointing out the bandwagoning, so then Jack responds and acts like Nolder's vote looked suspicious and thinks Lewis should be voting him instead.

 

That's pretty much a scumclaim folks.

 

##Unvote AJ

##Vote Jack

 

More to follow.

 

 

#Gamealmostsolved.  Lenlo, Nolder, Jack scum team.

 

What do you think now that Jack flipped town?  Does it affect the other two?

 

Jack

Nol

AJ

Lenlo

 

Don't see how town can go wrong lynching from that pool. Could mebbe put Lenlo higher, it really isn't cool how he's dodging the thread atm. Not with deadline impending.

Agreed... partially.  I think this reread has given me a better grasp on it than you atm, tell me what you think about my scum list below.

 

 

I will lynch Lenlo or Jack today.

 

I would recommend Jack over Lenlo in this instance.  Not that I don't think Lenlofinger is town by any means.  I think we should choose between Nolder or JackD, the two who flipped onto the Wwwwomby bandwagon so quickly after the deadline was posted.  It is highly likely that at least one of them is scum if not both.  Nolder's cry havoc on inactives was such sketchy timing, it screams "Hey guys, look over there!"

 

Silly Nolder.  They both were poisoned.  I spent a year building up an immunity to iocane powder. 

 

He's definitely trying to derail us.  Either from Lenlo or JackD.  My money is on Jack, but I'm fine switching to Lenlofinger. 

 

This really backs up what I was saying about Lewis backing up Lenlo while pushing him.  Good way to keep an even distance from teammates.  

 

First point

 

@Desp, you vote me and I have less votes of someone you added to your scum list very reluctantly until wombat hammered it out.

 

Second point

 

This is getting twisted

 

I'm going to break down what I've said about Nolder.

 

1) I have a townie lean on Nol

 

2) he over explained his vote, it appeared to be a pressure vote. I'm sure most of you playing this game that has any experience could come to that conclusion. I didn't see it as bandwagon vote which some might perceive it to be based on my townie lean.

 

3) about vos. I still have a townie lean on Nolder. Vos's vote was suspect. I wasn't suggest he vote Nolder, just a Nolder vote made more sense with the logic he was using. I found that odd and pointed out he'd vote me

 

## unvote

##vote Lenlo

 

He has played off and been dodgy with wombats questions. I'm feeling better about wombat as the game gets going. Also deadline is close

Jack is good here before he succombs to the typical town deathfusion, which is my really poorly titled description of the way that when a townie is dying they begin to have really biased reads that you can't trust any longer.  

 

@wombat I already explained it.

 

Lewis seems to to be obvscum with his whole harping that people posted when mod mentioned a deadline

 

How long till deadline. Wanna see if my lynch is inevitable yet and scum can use that as reason to bandwagon

 

#sameoldsonganddance

#dejavu

See what I mean?  Looks good here still.  

 

 

@wombat I already explained it.

 

Lewis seems to to be obvscum with his whole harping that people posted when mod mentioned a deadline

 

How long till deadline. Wanna see if my lynch is inevitable yet and scum can use that as reason to bandwagon

 

#sameoldsonganddance

#dejavu

 

Jack, if I may ask you one question before your....inevitable fate takes place.  What two players in the game currently would you say are the least likely scum?  Are there a pair of players that you feel are very likely town based on everything you've read, including the OP? 

 

Inevitable?  Strangely leading question that starts with an emotive prod on the player isn't good for doing much but riling them or taking their response to bury them/follow up on those people.

 

 

Me myself and I

 

Three most obvious town players

 

 

 

Thank you for making me feel much better about this lynch.  See you at Ragnarok!

 

Yeah... Not a town response but one that you could get away with if people here thought you new.  

 

 

This reeks of desperation and yet no one was voting him at the time, so I don't get why the sudden shift.

Obviously I'm not desperate.

And the shift was brought about by deadline.

Maybe you guys are willing to lynch Lenlo or Jack or Wombat or whoever over what's been said but I'm not quite there yet and I'd rather have people in the game who are participating than lynch someone because they said something that's maybe scummy meanwhile the guy who's said nothing gets a free pass. It's a bad way to play.

 

Maybe someone can explain this to me, but I don't get the logic behind lynching an "inactive" player.  Time and time again, players (typically mafia) have argued that we should lynch the least active player because they aren't providing us with valuable information.  I think that lynching an inactive only helps the mafia and, as Nolder seems to be doing right now, is typically the last ditch attempt of a fumbling player to distract from a lynch that would give us a ton of info.

It helps mafia yes.

But that is unavoidable.

It helps mafia to leave them alive as well.

It forces us to waste a lynch but if we don't do it the person might get a free ride to end game (I've seen it happen).

And then how to judge them on page 90something when they have like 12 posts all of which are "I'm sorry! I'll catch up soon!"? I've seen mafia win that way. And not like it's even a plan to lurk until endgame it just happened one of their teammates was a flake.

 

Your choices are correct but I don't think you've examined every possible outcome from those choices, as you can see above.

 

Can you stop plz?  You're posting with the same dogmatic conviction that I expect from a Southern Baptist pastor.  

 

 

Wow this vote was bad. Like rull bad. I still think it's less likely that Jack and Nol are scum/scum, and Jack looks CONFIRMED to me, but posts like these def make me think mebbe they're both scum together and we got a lolWILves situation here.

Speak english you cretin.

Wtf are you trying to say about me and Jack?

 

Nolder, there's a ton of stuff that we can use today.

How much of it is concrete though?

Most of it seems like gobbeldy gook dumbtown stuff to me.

And the longer you leave the inactive alive the worse the problem they present gets.

I mean dude this is the first game in I don't know how long there's only ONE real inactive.

We could literally end inactivity in this game with one lynch. Not two. Not three. Not five.

 

One.

 

Am I really the only person who finds that prospect appealing?

 

I pretty much have an issue with every bit of the bold.  1) what is ever concrete in mafia?  I'll tell you, flips.  2) yupp 3) inactivity is a mod issue, not a player one, 4/5) read 3

 

 

Nol - you don't like inactives, we get it.

 

I really don't see how I could've made that more plain to you or anyone else for that matter, I don't feel like I was being coy whatsoever.

 

As I've said, Ice will be getting replaced. That slot will be filled with hopefully a healthy contributor. I think the MODS are pretty well on top of this, so I say that we let them handle it.

 

Again, your vote would be better placed elsewhere with the DL a few hours away.

 

Gun to your head: Jack or Len?

Before I saw that self vote I would have said Lenlo.

Now you have your answer.

 

How did the self vote change it?  Town is supposed to be frustrated and upset when they get lynched.  Mafia reacts angrily.  It is common knowledge.

 

 

I believe to qts are compromised.

 

 

I don't buy this one bit.  If JackD was truly pro-town, he wouldn't now, with the noose around his neck, be speaking in vague innuendos.  He admits that he is aware of more than one cutie (Hence QTs plural, not the QT or HIS QT).  While I will admit, there are a lot of cuties in this game *bats eyelashes* he firmly believes that there are multiple QTs in play, not all of them mafia.

 

So, by essentially admitting to being aware of multiple QTs, he should be well aware of the game mechanic (nearly spelled out in the OP), and the hints more blatant than Ziggy's purple shirt as to who is working with who. 

 

Therefore, ergo sume latte and so forth, by choosing this moment to toss sour grapes and kick rocks (his actions, not criticizing the player here) INSTEAD of revealing the TWO other members of his CUTIE (which he had PLENTY of CHANCES to DO, including me practically spelling it out for him), and disappointing self-vote....

..........JackD is clearly anti-town.

 

As far as Nolder shooting up his scum list, what list was that?  Your scum shopping list?  Eggs, bacon, bread, and daggers for stabbing? Because no one is buying that you suddenly now, in the end, feel Nolder is scum.  Everyone knows you are only doing this to make him look town when you flip scum.  Everything you are doing right now is all for setting up what to believe when you flip scum.  And all of it is anti-town. 

 

So, what happened then?  Breakdown in communication?  I'll bet only one of you was supposed to vote Wombat and you guys got your plan mixed up.  Don't worry, I get my own gambits mixed up myself.  Sometimes, I can't even spell my own name right or even forget who I am.   I can't wait to read the mafia cutie when this is all over.  I'll bet Lucy had some 'splainin to do!

 

By the light, I love this game!!!

 

This is really overdone, theatrical, and forced.  All around.  I'm not entirely sure how to take this slot anymore but it is def on the scum side of my list now.

 

Okay, now that I have comprehensive reads and am caught up let me post my reads again and see how they have changed.

 

 

TG

Krak

Thane

Dice

Wombat

Des

Tress

AJ

Nol

Dawn

Vos

Lewis

Len

 

My Reads on Wombat and Des would be dark green if I did not think they were capable of fooling me this well.  I think this is a pretty good indication of where my head is.  

[LewisFriendly]

Or consider this.....

 

Nolder and JackD were on the same team together.  The third Egyptian can confirm this.  Nolder betrayed JackD by voting him. 

 

I suspect that Nolder's attempt to lynch an inactive (ICE) was actually an attempt to lynch an inactive scum partner to make himself look clean.  Would have worked if he had thought of it earlier.  Ice (who is now Darthe) is on the Viking team with myself and AJ.  The diarreah of posts from Darthe at this point suggests scrambling. 

 

Darthe's silence in our QT as of late further suggests that he has turned in his Viking helmet for a scum hat.

 

Still, we have an easy solution.  Third Egyptian can confirm Nolder is part of the QT.  We can then lynch Nolder.  If he flips scum AND was part of the Egyptian team that JackD was part of, we have our answer.  Does this make sense to those of you who are actually scumhunting and not scrambling?

[Thane Vakarian]

so, i've been reading since i got home from my lovely in-laws (glad to be back)..

 

first thought: i doubt there's a scum in every QT. Though, it would be interesting to find out if there is... that would change the dynamics of the game. (and give me even more headaches).

 

It will be intersting to see what has happened once the night is over.

 

For now, here's the general feeling i have about the players:

 

Town: Darthe, Dice

Null leaning town:TG, AJ, Des, Wombat

Null: Tress, Len

Null leaning scum : Dawn, Vos, Lewis

Scum: Nol, Krak.

[Krakalakachkn]

Or consider this.....

 

Nolder and JackD were on the same team together.  The third Egyptian can confirm this.  Nolder betrayed JackD by voting him. 

 

I suspect that Nolder's attempt to lynch an inactive (ICE) was actually an attempt to lynch an inactive scum partner to make himself look clean.  Would have worked if he had thought of it earlier.  Ice (who is now Darthe) is on the Viking team with myself and AJ.  The diarreah of posts from Darthe at this point suggests scrambling. 

 

Darthe's silence in our QT as of late further suggests that he has turned in his Viking helmet for a scum hat.

 

Still, we have an easy solution.  Third Egyptian can confirm Nolder is part of the QT.  We can then lynch Nolder.  If he flips scum AND was part of the Egyptian team that JackD was part of, we have our answer.  Does this make sense to those of you who are actually scumhunting and not scrambling?

 

 

This post is just so so so so bad I don't even know where to start.

[Darthe]

Krak would you like to take a namesake at that or should I?

[Darthe]

Seems odd since I posted in the QT twice today before he said that.  

 

Just, ya know, for the record.  6 posts in between my two and then he posts that before AJ responds.  

[Krakalakachkn]

Or consider this.....

 

Nolder and JackD were on the same team together.  The third Egyptian can confirm this.  Nolder betrayed JackD by voting him. 

 

Are you suggesting that they're in the same faction?  Because you definitely said team and if they're on a team together and Nolder betrayed Jack then you're obviously insinuating that they're both town which doesn't jive at all with everything else you're laying down.  I think you meant to say faction which I still don't dig because how on earth could Nolder betray Jack unless they were knowingly on the same team(not faction).  Your use of the word betray in this situation is misplaced and scummy.

 

I suspect that Nolder's attempt to lynch an inactive (ICE) was actually an attempt to lynch an inactive scum partner to make himself look clean.  Would have worked if he had thought of it earlier.  Ice (who is now Darthe) is on the Viking team with myself and AJ.  The diarreah of posts from Darthe at this point suggests scrambling. 

 

Hearsay that there is no way to prove unless we lynch Nolder.  And as far as reasons to lynch somebody, this is one of the worst I've heard in a while.

 

The "diarrhea of posts" push would only make sense if A) Darthe had been playing the entire game or B) he was in the hot seat.  Since neither of these are the case and Darthe is providing his first and only set of concrete reads, then I don't know wtf you're talking about.

 

Darthe's silence in our QT as of late further suggests that he has turned in his Viking helmet for a scum hat.

 

Dear god...

 

Still, we have an easy solution.  Third Egyptian can confirm Nolder is part of the QT.  We can then lynch Nolder.  If he flips scum AND was part of the Egyptian team that JackD was part of, we have our answer.  Does this make sense to those of you who are actually scumhunting and not scrambling?

 

And what answer would that be, whether or not Nolder was scum? Lol 

 

 

 

It makes me lol that you start pushing Darthe so hard only after he starts pushing on you.

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm also going to take this time to say that creating an Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers playlist on pandora is one of the best choices you could possibly make today.

[WWWwombat]

Dat Nightchat

[Darthe]

^ I didn't get a chance to during the day.  What do you think of my reads?

[WWWwombat]

Sec, summing your score up.

[nervositee]

Just dropping in to say I'm in sunny Copenhagen and has limited time and internet here. Skimming alongside the thread and catching up properly when I get back.

[WWWwombat]

Pay a visit to Niels Bohr for me.

[LewisFriendly]

Wow......where to begin?

 

 

Me:

 

Nolder and JackD were on the same team together.  The third Egyptian can confirm this.  Nolder betrayed JackD by voting him.

 

 

Krak:

Are you suggesting that they're in the same faction?  Because you definitely said team and if they're on a team together and Nolder betrayed Jack then you're obviously insinuating that they're both town which doesn't jive at all with everything else you're laying down.  I think you meant to say faction which I still don't dig because how on earth could Nolder betray Jack unless they were knowingly on the same team(not faction).  Your use of the word betray in this situation is misplaced and scummy.

 

 

You seem to be misrepresenting the point on purpose.  Yes I am suggesting that JackD and Nolder are in the same faction/team/Ancient Civilization.  As everyone can see from their own PMs (except the scum team perhaps) that only our own alignments were stated.  Nothing was stated about the alignment of those we share said QTs with.  It was assumed (by myself included) that we were all town on my QT UNTIL the events at the end of Day 1.  That's when I realized the REAL game mechanic.

 

I use the word betray as Webster intended.  Up until the moment Nolder voted him,  JackD believed Nolder to be town like him.  He even had openly "cleared" him in the thread more than once.  When Nolder, who was supposed to be Town with him, voted him, that is when JackD realized that Nolder was not aligned as he would be.  He said so himself just before the noose. 

 

Me:

I suspect that Nolder's attempt to lynch an inactive (ICE) was actually an attempt to lynch an inactive scum partner to make himself look clean.  Would have worked if he had thought of it earlier.  Ice (who is now Darthe) is on the Viking team with myself and AJ.  The diarreah of posts from Darthe at this point suggests scrambling.

 

 

Krak:

Hearsay that there is no way to prove unless we lynch Nolder.  And as far as reasons to lynch somebody, this is one of the worst I've heard in a while.

 

The "diarrhea of posts" push would only make sense if A) Darthe had been playing the entire game or B) he was in the hot seat.  Since neither of these are the case and Darthe is providing his first and only set of concrete reads, then I don't know wtf you're talking about.

 

 

The set up of the game is clear.  FIVE Ancient Civilizations.  So far, no one is disputing that there are 3 players on each Civilization QT.  If Nolder did betray JackD, as he clearly has, then that would strongly suggest that at least one player on each QT is a scumlord. Hence, JackD's comment about the QTs being compromised.

 

But Darthe HAS been playing the entire game.  Remember that he originally was coaching ICE? He was his mentor so he was with this whole setup from the beginning. Only now is he getting out there what Ice should have been saying from the first place.  He is also feeling like he is in the hot seat because he should be.  Only the mafia are nervous right now about what JackD stated.  They desperately don't want us to start doubting who is town on our own QTs. 

 

Curious that you are actually fighting me on this rather than even considering the possibility.  Are you afraid that others might agree with me?

 

Me:

Still, we have an easy solution.  Third Egyptian can confirm Nolder is part of the QT.  We can then lynch Nolder.  If he flips scum AND was part of the Egyptian team that JackD was part of, we have our answer.  Does this make sense to those of you who are actually scumhunting and not scrambling?

 

 

Krak:

And what answer would that be, whether or not Nolder was scum? Lol 

 

It makes me lol that you start pushing Darthe so hard only after he starts pushing on you.

 

 

Um....I thought I was pushing for the third Egyptian to come forward.  Where exactly am I pushing Darthe?  I've said from the beginning of Night that ICE (who is now Darthe) is the scummy on my team.  It explains Nolder's attempt to vote the inactive.  That lol you made sounds like a nervous laugh out loud to me.

 

 

[WWWwombat]

^ I didn't get a chance to during the day.  What do you think of my reads?

 

Your reads are 84.62% in agreement with mine.

[LewisFriendly]

 

 

##unvote

##bote jack

 

Now des will tell us the wealth of info my lynch gives us

 

This is the sixth game I think that I've been voted up and lynched day one. I'm at L-1 I'm sure there will be a ninja hammer out of the woodworks. But would rather not get a modkill. Or whatever bad action the mods have planned

 

Lenlo

Lewis

Des

 

Top 3 ATM for scum.

Awful AtE. I mean seriously what're you gonna do next? Turn on the waterworks?

No townie should ever self vote it is one of the scummiest things you can ever do.

You ALWAYS fight your lynch. Not fighting it is a mafia tactic to make people feel sorry for you.

Sorry Jack but you just signed your death warrant.

 

##Unvote

##Vote Jack

I do fight. But tbh the novelty of people gunning for my lynch every day 1 gets old. We had a handful of hours. Random would of been bad. Now there's a train to answer for.

 

Nextly

 

I believe to qts are compromised.

 

Finally

 

With that vote Nolder I do believe you shot up my scum list. :-*

 

 

This whole exchange is very important.  What does it tell you?