[Basic] Clash of the ancients - Mafia Wins!

[hazelkrs1]

Okay so was catching up, and noticed this:

 

 

I don't see Nolder pointing any fingers at JackD nor do I see it the other way around. Very curious when two people jump on a ONE VOTE train (started by the new guy) so quickly and yet vaguely explain why.....and DON'T call the other out on bandwagoning.

Irony thine name is Lewis. Voting me in quick succession, with Vos, and mostly calling me out and not the bandwagoner (Nolder) and you did the same thing lolz.

I explained thoroughly my vote on wombat.

Vos, if you don't like my clearing of Nolder, and your trying to tie the both of us together, why not vote Nolder? He voted without the reason and what would be considered a rapid fire bandwagon/pressure vote. That's odd to me.

##unvote ##vote Therin

 

 

So here Jack says it's odd that Lewis doesn't vote Nolder instead of Jack

 

And yet, earlier in the thread...

 

 

 

All the things you have brought up about Wombat tho are either not out of the norm for around here, or he has addressed fairly easily. I like where your head is at, trying to find stuff, I just don't think you have anything with Wombat so far. He could be scum but right now I'm not seeing it, and the speed with which his train grew is slightly discomforting as well, even with the deadline being posted.

I h8 u

Your throwing some major townie vibes and you have my conflicted. Tempted to call you scum just for the nostalgia.

Anyways. I wanted to quote you buy not the behemoth you presented earlier as I can't trim it properly due to being on mobile.

Anyways, to your point about my vote on wombat or my wording of said vote. (which seems to be your issue instead of the vote itself.) I was using playful banter that's all.

As far as my reasoning goes.

Mainly gut pinging but reading Wombat's post their to nonchalant. Normally he played off the cuff but it also has substance or it goes somewhere. It has a logical procession that joj can see he's trying to get somewhere.

 

 

 lol

 

Well, I will say that Wombat def has a slightly diff tone as town and scum. Town his tone seems to be almost... sharp sometimes. Like a cold form of aggressive. As scum he might be slightly more amenable. So I can see what you're saying there.

 

However, I think your read on Wombat might be just a little bit dated. His tone has softened somewhat lately, in some ways at least. He'll still flash into feral wombat mode at times, but will also be more likely to post... "nonchalantly" as you say. So I still don't really see it.

 

What do you think about AJ btw? Or Nolder? Did you find his vote suspicious at all?

 

 

 

Nolder not really. The fact that he tried to use reason to seperate what it really was is eye catching. Looks like a trumped up pressure vote. And I may be giving him to much credit but doubt he'd play so basically with his skill set as a player.

AJ seems to be stretching what I viewed as an obvious joke. But reading objectively I can see what he's saying but don't agree with it and also think he's making to big of a deal out of it

 

 

So null on AJ
Slight townie lean with nolder

 

 

So earlier he himself stated he found nothing suspicious with Nolder's vote. Lewis calls him out because Nol and Jack weren't fos'ing eachother or pointing out the bandwagoning, so then Jack responds and acts like Nolder's vote looked suspicious and thinks Lewis should be voting him instead.

 

That's pretty much a scumclaim folks.

 

##Unvote AJ

##Vote Jack

 

More to follow.

[WWWwombat]

FWIW, Nolder voting an inactive isn't a scumtell in and of itself.  He hates inactivity, so it's a move he often does when he doesn't have a strong scum read.  That being said, voting an inactive outlier this close to deadline is kinda meh and not something I usually see Nolder do.

[WWWwombat]

Also, you guys need to stop town reading Lenlo for no reason.  He's done nothing to help the town and hasn't responded to my latest question.

[Tyler Glembo]

Anyone have an Archer mafia game?

 

SPLOOOSH!

 

I will rub sand in your dead little eyes!

 

Less than 24 hours to go, we need to start consolidating.

 

Ice is nowhere to be found.

I hate to pull the inactivity card so early but I'd rather cut potentially dead weight (no offense) than find out what the consequences of no majority are.

 

Wombat I'll give you until Day 2 to get your act together.

Saying your sick of DM meta is fine and I can't fault you for changing up your game style but the contradiction you pulled when jumping from AJ to me was pretty bad and now you're on Lenlo (although in fairness Lenlo deserved it).

 

##Unvote

 

##Vote Ice

 

Nolder is LOCKSCUM with Lenlo.  Len's train is suddenly gaining steam and Nol jumps is trying to derail Len's train with <24hrs to DL?  While talking about consolidating but instead starting another train on someone who will give no info. 

 

 

 

 

Why not Krak, Lenlo, or me?

Krak has been quiet not scummy.

Lenlo was dumb in his attack on me but I'm reading it as dumb town for now.

I didn't like your reactions to the votes you were getting but up until now it seemed more like town flailing.

I am beginning to think that may have been a mistake on my part though.

 

 

Gross threat to try and make others nervous about going after him re: derailing Len's train.

[Tyler Glembo]

So earlier he himself stated he found nothing suspicious with Nolder's vote. Lewis calls him out because Nol and Jack weren't fos'ing eachother or pointing out the bandwagoning, so then Jack responds and acts like Nolder's vote looked suspicious and thinks Lewis should be voting him instead.

 

That's pretty much a scumclaim folks.

 

##Unvote AJ

##Vote Jack

 

More to follow.

 

 

#Gamealmostsolved.  Lenlo, Nolder, Jack scum team.

[hazelkrs1]

 

As scum he might be slightly more amenable.

 

Despo, you've just made my case on Lenlo.

 

 

... ?

 

I'm pretty sure I was talking about Wombat there...

 

##unvote vote Vos

 

Krak just Wombat'd that one out of the park.

 

 

 

FYI, my initial vote on AJ was about 75% serious.  It is now 100% serious.  He is obvious mafia.  His trying to accuse Despo instead of me looks like an attempt to discredit his train without looking like complete and total OMGUS.  Also, his accusation of Despo town reading me was not only unfounded, but wouldn't even make sense if it were founded.

 

Aye, I still have Jack high on my scumdar. But too many people were bailing on it, deadline is coming up, and most importantly Jack just claimed scum.

 

I'm Ron Burgundy?

 

 

 

Well, I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.

 

 

 

Wombat you have no idea how much amusement this brought to me, on so many levels.

 

 

Despo - your instant sheep of the 'hunch' shows enough agreement IMO that you didn't have to say 'I agree'. Stop focusing on semantics. I think you should understand that I look more below the surface for motive and intent than the rhetoric people use. To me, your phrasing suggested that you knew Wombat's alignment and were attempting to buddy him by following his 'hunch' although he hadn't indicated what it was at that point and also hadn't posted anything I would consider of serious substance in order for you to discern his alignment enough to think he was onto something. When you say 'Wombat's hunches are usually good when he's Town' to me suggests that you already were aware of which alignment he was, which made it easy for you to sheep while also cozying up to him. This is my personal interpretation and something I would expect from advanced players such as yourself. Others think you were 'reaction testing', which it seems that you are alluding to now as well. And please, don't act like you need to explain anything to me about the potential move you were making. It is illogical for you to think that you can blame me for finding your actions suspicious when you do a poor job of making your motive clear, intentionally or not.

 

That said after looking over the last few pages and your recent posts after this one I quoted I am feeling a little better about you, and the reaction test thing does fit with your meta. Definitely not willing to call you town at this point of the game, but I think my vote could be better served elsewhere.

 

##unvote

 

Again- my sheep NEVER implied or suggested in any way that I agreed with Wombat's hunch, or that I was even reading him town. I'm not sure how much more simply I can say this.

 

I like to get games going. One of many easy ways to do this is sheep someone else's vote to see where it goes. Allows you to get a read potentially on the person you sheeped onto, as well as the person you sheeped, as well as get reactions from everyone else.

 

Sheeping alone doesn't have to indicate that you agree with the person you're sheeping. I mean dude, trap vote? Come on.

 

And thing is, without sounding like a snob or something, I'm advanced enough to know I don't ALWAYS have to make my motive clear, not if I'm doing a gambit. Regardless of how clear my motives were (and in this case I think they were fairly clear), by trying to "look underneath the surface into the motive behind things" you actually end up misrepping me and putting words in my mouth.

 

 

 

 

 

 As much as I </3 you at the moment, this still made me laugh for far too long and far too loudly in a public place.

 

Seriously.

 

 

 

 

Nolder not really. The fact that he tried to use reason to seperate what it really was is eye catching. Looks like a trumped up pressure vote. And I may be giving him to much credit but doubt he'd play so basically with his skill set as a player.

 

AJ seems to be stretching what I viewed as an obvious joke. But reading objectively I can see what he's saying but don't agree with it and also think he's making to big of a deal out of it

 

Which part did you view as an obvious joke? Obviously I missed it. That said I liked this post from you. Allowing yourself to play empathetically lends to town mindsets IMO.

 

 

Hmmm.... so AJ comes in and hard defends Jack...

 

Despo said himself that when you are town that your hunches are good. You voted me on a 'hunch' therefore Despo has to assume that you were town in order for the hunch to be good and to follow it himself. How did he come to this conclusion based on your posts prior to that one? That is my point, which I have been trying to express all along. Lol like that seriously doesn't bother you? I feel like I'm beating a dead horse at this point. Regardless, it's something that I'll keep in my pocket for later game.

 

Bold: Lololol you're just not getting it AJ. You're making a leap in logic that simply is not there to begin with. I did NOT have to assume the hunch itself was good. I know that when Wombat is town, his hunches are good. I don't HAVE to know whether that particular hunch is good or not, or even know or feel if Wombat is town or not. I can follow along just to see where it goes.

 

Underlined: Others have pointed it out, but yeah def bad tone here.

 

Opportunistic how?

 

Wombat votes AJ on a "hunch" he wont explain (and you follow, much more opportunistic if you ask me) so I vote him for trying to town lead.

There isn't much to say about it and it's day 1 so I'm not going to type paragraph after paragraph of why I might think Wombat is scum because all that junk hasn't happened yet.

 

Town leading is a scum trait and that's good enough for me on D1.

 

That's the thing tho- normally you DO comment a lot more on everything going on. Kinda like how you did recently.

 

And town leading =/= scum trait. Town leaders often lead town, in fact I'd say in just about every game you'll see at least one townie take up the power townie leader mantle to help guide everyone in the right direction. Forceful players help organize groups that otherwise might struggle to work together.

 

 

so whats frozen suppose to mean?

It's a Disney movie

 

 

I think he meant in context of a mafia game...

 

In mafia it means a player seems like they bounced from the thread cause they got caught in a corner and didn't know how to respond.

 

They can't stand the heat, hence => Baguette Frozen.

 

 

I haven't even been reading AJ's posts and they sound/look like they're flailing/desperate.

I will agree with this.

Whether he deserved pressure or not he doesn't seem to be holding up well.

 

 

Ugh you were towntelling for a while Nol before this post. Blech @ nudges, even if it is on someone I find scummy.

 

 

I had a reason

I said you had a reason. It however wasn't the reason you stated. Your vote appeared to be to apply pressure.

 

 

Jack trying to read Nolder's mind and say he knew the actual reasoning is MEGA SKETCHBALLS.

 

Wombat on the other hand is all over the place

 

This was gross too Nolder. How has Wombat been all over the place? This just looks like you trying to discredit him and make him look off his rocker or something.

 

i dont get how people think wombats initial vote was a joke. It didnt seem to carry any joke tone to me.

 

Lewis flipflopping around about should i remove my vote or not but then not doing it feels off to me. Lewis vote or do not vote. flipflopping and jumping trains is a good way to get me voting you.

 

....

 

 

When will people learn that "flip flopping" or moving your vote around a lot is NOT that scummy? Town is very much likely to change their mind and their reads as they go along and will have no problem changing their vote as they see fit. Scum are MUCH more likely to be conscious of how it will look if they change their vote so will be more likely to park it somewhere safe.

 

Not sure who is dirtier, Nolder or Lenlo.

 

Jack.

 

wombat i just tried ISOing len and gave up cause he doesnt seem to have posted anywhere near as much as other people say his name.

 

I don't think you know how to do the iso properly...

 

In the upper right hand of the thread, click on the magnifying glass next to the search field. Don't type anything in the box yet. Once you get to the search screen, don't put Lenlo's name in the "keywords" box or w/e. Scroll down and put his name in the "Find Author" box (it has to be spelled and formatted exactly right). Sort "By Posts" not "By Topic List". Hit search. Voila.

 

i have the perfect meme for dessy poo :)

 

Did you make it yet?

 

Less than 24 hours to go, we need to start consolidating.

 

Ice is nowhere to be found.

I hate to pull the inactivity card so early but I'd rather cut potentially dead weight (no offense) than find out what the consequences of no majority are.

 

Wombat I'll give you until Day 2 to get your act together.

Saying your sick of DM meta is fine and I can't fault you for changing up your game style but the contradiction you pulled when jumping from AJ to me was pretty bad and now you're on Lenlo (although in fairness Lenlo deserved it).

 

##Unvote

 

##Vote Ice

 

Wow this vote was bad. Like rull bad. I still think it's less likely that Jack and Nol are scum/scum, and Jack looks CONFIRMED to me, but posts like these def make me think mebbe they're both scum together and we got a lolWILves situation here.

 

Nolder, there's a ton of stuff that we can use today. A lot of stuff to go on. And you go for voting an inactive over ANY other lynch candidate that could get better traction? Less than a day before deadline? This was just about as antitown of a concept as you've put forward so far this game. Lynching an in active would yield MUCH less info, and have MUCH more risk of hitting a town PR or something. And this early in the game when someone might pick up their activity later on? WAAAAAY too early for a policy vote on an inactive.

[hazelkrs1]

Jack

Nol

AJ

Lenlo

 

Don't see how town can go wrong lynching from that pool. Could mebbe put Lenlo higher, it really isn't cool how he's dodging the thread atm. Not with deadline impending.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

 

As scum he might be slightly more amenable.

 

Despo, you've just made my case on Lenlo.

 

 

 

wombat i just tried ISOing len and gave up cause he doesnt seem to have posted anywhere near as much as other people say his name.

 

I don't think you know how to do the iso properly...

 

In the upper right hand of the thread, click on the magnifying glass next to the search field. Don't type anything in the box yet. Once you get to the search screen, don't put Lenlo's name in the "keywords" box or w/e. Scroll down and put his name in the "Find Author" box (it has to be spelled and formatted exactly right). Sort "By Posts" not "By Topic List". Hit search. Voila.

 

 

1) You weren't talking about Len, but you made the point of amenable, which Len suddenly became as people paid attention to him.

 

2) ISO.  It doesn't work for me.  I do exactly that, and about half to 1/4 of the person's posts actually come up.  It is very strange.

[WWWwombat]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Womby (1/8): Nolder

Lenlo (3/8): Dawn, TG, Wombat

AJ (2/8): Despo, Krak

Ice (1/8): Thane

TG: (1/8) Lenlo

Jack (2/8) Nervo, Lewis

Lewis (1/8) Jack

Krak (1/8): AJ

 

Not voting (3/15): Tress, Ice, Dice

 

with 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140419T00&p0=76&msg=night.&csz=1

 

Lenlo, AJ, and Jack as leading trains.

 

 

Less than 24 hours to go, we need to start consolidating.

 

Ice is nowhere to be found.

I hate to pull the inactivity card so early but I'd rather cut potentially dead weight (no offense) than find out what the consequences of no majority are.

 

Wombat I'll give you until Day 2 to get your act together.

Saying your sick of DM meta is fine and I can't fault you for changing up your game style but the contradiction you pulled when jumping from AJ to me was pretty bad and now you're on Lenlo (although in fairness Lenlo deserved it).

 

##Unvote

 

##Vote Ice

 

Nolder consolidates onto Ice.  Possibly avoiding Lenlo/AJ/Jack.

 

 

## unvote Ice

 

## Vote Nolder

 

*forgot to make the vote bold, my bad*

 

Town points for Thane.

[WWWwombat]

I will lynch Lenlo or Jack today.

[amegakure]

alright guys deadline is tonight!

[hazelkrs1]

I will lynch Lenlo or Jack today.

 

Why haven't you commented yet on what I pointed out about Jack? I'm hurt

 

 

 

 

 

[LewisFriendly]

I will lynch Lenlo or Jack today.

 

I would recommend Jack over Lenlo in this instance.  Not that I don't think Lenlofinger is town by any means.  I think we should choose between Nolder or JackD, the two who flipped onto the Wwwwomby bandwagon so quickly after the deadline was posted.  It is highly likely that at least one of them is scum if not both.  Nolder's cry havoc on inactives was such sketchy timing, it screams "Hey guys, look over there!"

 

Silly Nolder.  They both were poisoned.  I spent a year building up an immunity to iocane powder. 

 

He's definitely trying to derail us.  Either from Lenlo or JackD.  My money is on Jack, but I'm fine switching to Lenlofinger. 

[Krakalakachkn]

I'll be around later today, but I'm at work until 5.

[WWWwombat]

Idk, Jack does sketchy stuff a lot.  A lot of what you quoted can be read two ways.  Mixed read on him atm.

[WWWwombat]

 

I will lynch Lenlo or Jack today.

 

I would recommend Jack over Lenlo in this instance.  Not that I don't think Lenlofinger is town by any means.  I think we should choose between Nolder or JackD, the two who flipped onto the Wwwwomby bandwagon so quickly after the deadline was posted.  It is highly likely that at least one of them is scum if not both.  Nolder's cry havoc on inactives was such sketchy timing, it screams "Hey guys, look over there!"

 

Silly Nolder.  They both were poisoned.  I spent a year building up an immunity to iocane powder. 

 

He's definitely trying to derail us.  Either from Lenlo or JackD.  My money is on Jack, but I'm fine switching to Lenlofinger. 

 

 

Oh my God!  He's absolutely magnificent.  I bet his poop smells like sandalwood.

[WWWwombat]

##unvote

##Vote Jack

[Sedai]

First point

 

@Desp, you vote me and I have less votes of someone you added to your scum list very reluctantly until wombat hammered it out.

 

Second point

 

This is getting twisted

 

I'm going to break down what I've said about Nolder.

 

1) I have a townie lean on Nol

 

2) he over explained his vote, it appeared to be a pressure vote. I'm sure most of you playing this game that has any experience could come to that conclusion. I didn't see it as bandwagon vote which some might perceive it to be based on my townie lean.

 

3) about vos. I still have a townie lean on Nolder. Vos's vote was suspect. I wasn't suggest he vote Nolder, just a Nolder vote made more sense with the logic he was using. I found that odd and pointed out he'd vote me

 

## unvote

##vote Lenlo

 

He has played off and been dodgy with wombats questions. I'm feeling better about wombat as the game gets going. Also deadline is close

[LewisFriendly]

 

 

I will lynch Lenlo or Jack today.

 

I would recommend Jack over Lenlo in this instance.  Not that I don't think Lenlofinger is town by any means.  I think we should choose between Nolder or JackD, the two who flipped onto the Wwwwomby bandwagon so quickly after the deadline was posted.  It is highly likely that at least one of them is scum if not both.  Nolder's cry havoc on inactives was such sketchy timing, it screams "Hey guys, look over there!"

 

Silly Nolder.  They both were poisoned.  I spent a year building up an immunity to iocane powder. 

 

He's definitely trying to derail us.  Either from Lenlo or JackD.  My money is on Jack, but I'm fine switching to Lenlofinger. 

 

 

Oh my God!  He's absolutely magnificent.  I bet his poop smells like sandalwood.

 

[Lenlo]

Des I didnt abandon the thread cause deadline was close. I went to sleep. Cause it was 1 am. Im allowed to do that right?

[WWWwombat]

I aksed you my question at 9:30 PM ET bro.

[WWWwombat]

But please do enlighten me.  How would Nolder's flip clear things up about me?

[WWWwombat]

First point

 

@Desp, you vote me and I have less votes of someone you added to your scum list very reluctantly until wombat hammered it out.

 

Second point

 

This is getting twisted

 

I'm going to break down what I've said about Nolder.

 

1) I have a townie lean on Nol

 

2) he over explained his vote, it appeared to be a pressure vote. I'm sure most of you playing this game that has any experience could come to that conclusion. I didn't see it as bandwagon vote which some might perceive it to be based on my townie lean.

 

3) about vos. I still have a townie lean on Nolder. Vos's vote was suspect. I wasn't suggest he vote Nolder, just a Nolder vote made more sense with the logic he was using. I found that odd and pointed out he'd vote me

 

## unvote

##vote Lenlo

 

He has played off and been dodgy with wombats questions. I'm feeling better about wombat as the game gets going. Also deadline is close

 

How would a Nolder vote make more sense if Vos thought the objectionable behavior was buddying on your part?

[Kaylee]

Current vote count incoming...

 

I'm at the doctor's office so it may take me awhile but yum erupting on it.

[Kaylee]

*I'm working on it