[Advanced] Twilight Mafia Game over - Mafia win

[Verbal32]

Sorry, I thought I put my responses in to you, Clov.

 

Re: you not knowing all the characters - say it ain't so!!  Heh, but ok.  I know them, and I'm thinking Lenlo is a townie as a result.  I don't want to rely fully on this, though....so I admit it is somewhat weak.

 

Re: the Tina lynch - I've weighed in.  I'm suspicious of her, but I don't know if I'm fully committed to a D2 lynch of her.

[Pralaya]

 

We could try a logic statement such as is the number of scum in this game greater than or equal to 4? That doesnt really narrow it down though.

 

As I said though propose some question and we can use the best.

If you get 3, just use the ones Darthe suggested (is # of mafia left 3 and then same question with 4). Then vet Des.

 

We can discuss more questions for the next night. Unless there is a way we can phrase 1 question that would grant us >1 answer??

 

 

Well, why not vet Darthe too? Why only Des? I think that is the purpose of his role. There has been more roleclaims than probably what was intended and we can turn it to our advantage. I think the questions should be

 

1. Is the Vote Thief town alogned?

2. Is there a vig in the game?

3. Is the vig town aligned?

 

We have confirmation that the vote thief exists but not sure of its alignment. But, we still don't have a confirmation of the vig role nor its alignment. I think this should be Len's three questions today. That would help us clear a lot of claims and help focus the town.

[Verbal32]

 

 

We could try a logic statement such as is the number of scum in this game greater than or equal to 4? That doesnt really narrow it down though.

 

As I said though propose some question and we can use the best.

If you get 3, just use the ones Darthe suggested (is # of mafia left 3 and then same question with 4). Then vet Des.

 

We can discuss more questions for the next night. Unless there is a way we can phrase 1 question that would grant us >1 answer??

 

 

Well, why not vet Darthe too? Why only Des? I think that is the purpose of his role. There has been more roleclaims than probably what was intended and we can turn it to our advantage. I think the questions should be

 

1. Is the Vote Thief town alogned?

2. Is there a vig in the game?

3. Is the vig town aligned?

 

We have confirmation that the vote thief exists but not sure of its alignment. But, we still don't have a confirmation of the vig role nor its alignment. I think this should be Len's three questions today. That would help us clear a lot of claims and help focus the town.

 

 

Fair point.  I don't like #1, though - if Leelou would make a vote thief town aligned, she might say yes......but that doesn't mean there is one.

 

I'd rather he confirm both roles, though - good call-out.  Maybe the last question can ask if scum have a RBer or any sort of power role?  Not sure on that one....

[Verbal32]

And what I mean by that is Darthe's claim might not be completely true - so naming the role as he did might not technically be the proper question.

 

While this role seems powerful, I can see it tripping over itself pretty easily if the right questions are not asked with the proper phrasing.  Perhaps I'm getting too wrapped up in the details, though.

[Hallia]

*nodnod* Like the wish spell in D&D, you gotta be careful exactly what you ask.

[Pralaya]

And what I mean by that is Darthe's claim might not be completely true - so naming the role as he did might not technically be the proper question.

 

While this role seems powerful, I can see it tripping over itself pretty easily if the right questions are not asked with the proper phrasing.  Perhaps I'm getting too wrapped up in the details, though.

 

Yeah, that makes sense. What other roles are there that can block votes?

 

Also, true, it should be phrased in a way that describes the role, instead of the role name. But, anyway, the idea is there. Think Lenlo can handle it and we can check his responses.

[Verbal32]

Lenlo can't role reveal, so I don't want him responding to this....but I want to say what I'm thinking as to why I think he might be town.  Oracle seems a reasonable role for Alice.  Alice is definitely a town player.  I don't want to piece things together like that, but the role jumped out at me re: Alice....who happens to be the sole reason I watched the movies.

[Pralaya]

The only Twillight character I know is Bella. Does that make me a winner? 

[Hallia]

I would agree with you there, she would be the most likely candidate.

[Verbal32]

Giggity

 

 

[Verbal32]

The only Twillight character I know is Bella. Does that make me a winner? 

 

No.  See above.  :-)

[Darthe]

Also my fav character

[Verbal32]

Then you're familiar with her enough to have an opinion on Lenlo based on his reveal.  Do you think that fits for Alice?

[Lenlo]

Shes obv the best character, for a multitude of reason. Those that like Bella are weird. >.>

[Darthe]

Alice or the girl who was played by Dakota fanning. Thats my issue.

[Niniel]

Meh! I don't understand why outing a lot of roles today is such a great idea but I'm soon going to sleep and it seems like no one wants to do anything until I have claimed.

 

I'm town watcher. I watched Cory last night and someone visited him. According to the scene he wasn't killed. The one who visited him could of course be a mafia roleblocker or busdriver or some other mafia role but it's possible that it's a doc or cop so I won't tell who it was.

[Darthe]

Someone? Isnt a watcher supposed to see who?

[Darthe]

Gitcha. Since he wasnt killed you dont want to reveal. Okay.

 

unvote for now

 

Town powers r odd this game.

[Verbal32]

Alice or the girl who was played by Dakota fanning. Thats my issue.

 

That girl caused physical pain to people, though.  No Oracle-like powers.

[Hallia]

Yup, I believe that claim, do I'm dubious of those pushing her. I'll telook when I get off

[Hallia]

Hrm.  For my earlier ping on Dice as well as his position on Tina.

 

Unvote.  Vote Dice

[Lenlo]

Hmmm... So tonight I could try and verify all 3 of their roles.

 

Is there a town Watcher?

Is there a town role that got a vig shot after another characters death? ((Cause Des isnt technically a vig, he got a free shot after someone died he said We can think on how to phrase this.))

Is there a town role that can steal another persons vote?

[Clovdyx]

Also I'd love if you weighed in the Tina lynch, Verbal. I would think you ought to have some interest in it...

 

Sorry, I thought I put my responses in to you, Clov.

 

Re: you not knowing all the characters - say it ain't so!!  Heh, but ok.  I know them, and I'm thinking Lenlo is a townie as a result.  I don't want to rely fully on this, though....so I admit it is somewhat weak.

 

Re: the Tina lynch - I've weighed in.  I'm suspicious of her, but I don't know if I'm fully committed to a D2 lynch of her.

 

You've weighed in, but I don't really think you've contributed a whole heck of a lot to either her defense or her lynch.

 

 

 

Tinas town play doesn't match this but I agree she isn't mafia telling.  My biggest issue with her is that she is part of that group of three from the start of the game and that I haven't seen any town tells from her.  

 

She has been mafia perhaps four times in the past two years.  The only thing I know for sure about her mafia meta is that she is safe as hell, like Switzerland level safe, when she is mafia.  Town Tina is willing to stick her neck out for her beliefs.

 

Town Tina also tunnels more.  She isn't displaying any of that thus far.

 

 

I´m not sure that I believe in Lenlo´s claim at all. As someone said, it could work as a role cop and are kind of overpowered. Let´s say that there was a town oracle - by asking 1. Is there a GF? 2. Is there a mafia rb? 3. Is there another mafia pr? you would get so much information at once. I don´t understand why he would ask about vanillas at all. I think he is just making it up. 

 

I agree with Des (suprice!), I have a bad feeling about Tommy. Darthe said that Tommy´s posts beats Pral´s but I don´t agree. I get town feelings from Pral´s posts but not from Tommy´s. 

 

Would like to hear more from Verbal. A quiet Verbal makes me nerveous. 

 

Dice´s OMGUS vote doesn´t look good. He and Lenlo are still my top suspects. 

 

Verbal has been more active than you.  Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

 

 

 

Very well, we have some really tight posts the past few pages. Weak links on either side of the bigger arguments this game are Tina and Len to me. For now I am going toclear tommy and accept Des. Trusting my gut and earlier reads I still ingend to push Tina here and I want to see what happens tonight before making more choices on the matter.

 

unvote vote tina

 

Btw tina you may want to claim.

 

What an interesting circle we have.

 

1.  Tommy thinks Des is town (with a slight suspicion), and you town.

2.  Des thinks Tommy scum, and you town.

3.  You think Tommy is town, and Des is town (with a slight suspicion).

4.  I think both of you are currently town, and suspicious of Tommy.

 

No two of us agree the same person is scum, but all of us agree on some as town.

 

Perhaps have Des shoot tonight and we discuss more tomorrow based on the flip we get.  For now, I think Tina is a valid lynch based on my previous thoughts around her tunneling, or lack thereof.

 

 

Her lynch has gained the most traction this phase and your biggest commitment has been "I think she is a valid lynch".  Are there invalid lynches in this game?  Does it mean that you're not opposed, in the sense that she hasn't been cleared as town?  You're not opposed in that you think she has a greater than random chance to be scum?

 

The first quote was particularly of interest to me and is what led me to asking you where you stood.  I've only played one game prior to this with Tina and don't felt she tunneled at all.  The second just seems like a blatant lie to me - you certainly have more posts than her, but I would be very surprised if anybody wants to vouch for you and say that you've done more in the game than she has.  Furthermore, if you really think she hasn't contributed much and would be playing to a different meta if town, why can't you commit to her lynch?  It seems like you should have been foaming at the mouth to lynch her.

[Verbal32]

Hrm.  For my earlier ping on Dice as well as his position on Tina.

 

Unvote.  Vote Dice

 

Giggity?

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm... So tonight I could try and verify all 3 of their roles.

 

Is there a town Watcher?

Is there a town role that got a vig shot after another characters death? ((Cause Des isnt technically a vig, he got a free shot after someone died he said We can think on how to phrase this.))

Is there a town role that can steal another persons vote?

 

I like these, actually.

[Verbal32]

Her lynch has gained the most traction this phase and your biggest commitment has been "I think she is a valid lynch".  Are there invalid lynches in this game?  Does it mean that you're not opposed, in the sense that she hasn't been cleared as town?  You're not opposed in that you think she has a greater than random chance to be scum?

 

The first quote was particularly of interest to me and is what led me to asking you where you stood.  I've only played one game prior to this with Tina and don't felt she tunneled at all.  The second just seems like a blatant lie to me - you certainly have more posts than her, but I would be very surprised if anybody wants to vouch for you and say that you've done more in the game than she has.  Furthermore, if you really think she hasn't contributed much and would be playing to a different meta if town, why can't you commit to her lynch?  It seems like you should have been foaming at the mouth to lynch her.

Yes, I think Lenlo would be an invalid lynch.  Same for Darthe & Des right now.

 

Re: Tina - ok.  D1 I would agree...she did more.  Not this day, though.  I've played many games with Tina, and when she scumhunts and has a lead, she tends to tunnel on that player for quite a while.  Even when the course of conversation is in one direction, she'll jump in the other direction and continue to badger her lead.  She's not doing that.  Could be coincidence, and it is still early in the game.  I'm not ready to commit to her lynch on D2, as I said.  I'd need more to go on, and I don't have it.

 

Basically, I'm not keen on lynching somebody based solely on meta.