[Advanced] Twilight Mafia Game over - Mafia win

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 

Lenlo (3) - Pral, Tommy, Tina
Darthe (2) - Dawn, Lenlo

Des (1) -  Clov

Dawn (1) - Hallia
 
not voting - Des, Dice, Verbal, Darthe
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch
 
Deadline Saturday Noon EST (willing to move to Friday or Monday due to the holiday) 

[dicetosser1]

His ability doesn't seem particularly useful to town but it's completely unconfirmable. We can suggest questions to him but if he's scum he just lies to their advantage and we never know what the truth was or if he even asked that question. Lame.

 

I still think his response/vote on you was fake so I'm staying. The claim is worthless.

 

Ive been an oracle   tho a massively OP'd one and it can be very useful to town if managed properly.

 

We could try a logic statement such as is the number of scum in this game greater than or equal to 4? That doesnt really narrow it down though.

 

As I said though propose some questions and we can use the best.

 

try something like is there less then 4 mafia roles.

 

I think your questions could have been better tho im happy with the 3rd party one.

 

At this point however i do not consider you cleared

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

 

Dice: I didn´t like his Cory vote yesterday. His reason for voting Jack was because it´s "the best choice" and that he didn´t like the Des train. It´s not really a reason. Can´t remember how close to DL it was. Today he thinks Darthe is town and Des is town after his claim. But who is scum? I don´t get a good feeling from Dice. Add to that when he questioned Hallia why she voted for him even though she didn´t. Actually that exchange was strange:

H: Dice voted Cory d1. Ping!

D: Did you vote me because I voted Cory who voted Des even though he said Des was town and then jumped to another vote?

H: I didn´t vote you.

D: No, I was wrong.

Ehm... Hallia didn´t answer and Dice let it go as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hallia jumped at me on the cory vote. I pointed out why i voted cory and asked if that was why she voted me. I used the wrong word . shrug   thats all there is to it.

 

 

I agree that there is probably a mafia member among the three of you.  I thought it was cory. Now with Des' claim im not sure if it is you or him. I thought your change of vote to jack was good but you have not done much since to back it up. Then there is the des/darthe thing and des claims vig. my least fav claim atm.

 

I am watching and thinking. I think that your posts have been very safe. you have only really offered opinions on those that have had something to say regarding one of you, des or cory. everyone else just got one line or so.

 

Know what? the more i think about it the more i think you are trying to use that group that gathered around you for protection.

 

vote tina

[dicetosser1]

@clov   recently there has been a spate of fake vig claims    glares at tommy    to the point that i almost automatically disbelieve one now. Des' bit about getting it after a certain person dies makes me feel better about it but not 100% and that is simply because i have learned to never trust Des totally

[Hallia]

I think Darthe refusing to answer questions is scummy; the one thing that I've been having drilled into my skull is that as town we have no reason to lie and not be forthcoming with well...anything.  Not so sure on both Darthe/Des being town anymore.

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 

Lenlo (3) - Pral, Tommy, Tina
Darthe (2) - Dawn, Lenlo

Des (1) -  Clov

Dawn (1) - Hallia

Tina (1) - Dice
 
not voting - Des, Verbal, Darthe
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch
 
Deadline Saturday Noon EST (willing to move to Friday or Monday due to the holiday) 

[Darthe]

I think Darthe refusing to answer questions is scummy; the one thing that I've been having drilled into my skull is that as town we have no reason to lie and not be forthcoming with well...anything. Not so sure on both Darthe/Des being town anymore.

What have I refused to answer besides one technical aspect of my role?

[Darthe]

@Pral/Tommy you can stop voting Len now. We have a Tina/Des to kill.

[Tommyrod]

##Unvote Lenlo

##Vote Des
 

[hazelkrs1]

Just gonna dive on in first-

 

CLIFFS on what's happened since I asked for CLIFFS?

;)

Out of the Des/Darthe/Lenlo group, I would order their scum factor as so:

Lenlo > Des > Darthe

Lenlo's vote on Darthe last night was the pingiest thing I've read in this thread. Darthe's claim and subsequent comment is far less likely to be "scum taunting" rather than a townie who is sick of someone else's attitude and possibly scummy bravado.

Des, there's something about you that's irking me. I've been playing on 2+2 a lot these days, land of the tone reads, and just had a string of wolf games so I feel like I'm particularly tapped into the scum mindset right now and the various subtle ways that influences phrasing and approaches to offense and defense. In terms of conviction and sincerity, Darthe has you beat, and by a long shot. I'm probably never going to recommend lynching him. You will probably say "oh no he manipulated you!" but I somehow doubt you believe I am gullible and can even be manipulated like that.

Consider yourself on my watch list. I would be voting for you if Len had not triggered my gag reflex in the aforementioned Darthe vote. You saying you are tempted to vote for Lenlo yet not actually doing so seems like a distancing maneuver. If I'm wrong, then just ignore me and vote him with me.

Vote Lenlo

 

Bolded paragraph is apporaching Darthe-levels of fail. A bunch of vague smarty pants words instead of any actual concrete points.

 

Seriously, could you get any more vague?

 

SHOW ME where my conviction is lacking. That's probably one of the most incorrect things you could say about my gameplay this game. SMH.

 

Here's another big thing- Tommy wants to have us believe he didn't read the thread up until he started participating, but that he's paying attention now. He's OBVIOUSLY not if he missed the HUGE thing that had been discussed after he started getting back into the fray- that my vote was being controlled. Him taunting me to vote Lenlo with him could even be him pretending to forget that there's a vote thief just to try and look confused.

 

A big fat "LOL" to anyone who thinks I can be manipulated, by the way.

I'm the manipulator. Best check yoselves before you wreck yoselves.

 

I get that you're just trying to stay in character here, but yeah this statement is just all kinds of bullcrap.

 

ANYONE can get manipulated. I don't care how good you are at mafia or manipulating others. Sometimes the confident are the easiest to manipulate.

 

Lock clear then.

Dawn
Pral
Darthe

Top tier town reads

 

This is crap. You use pretty much completely arbitrary reasoning to establish a LOCK CLEAR group. This is NOT a town!Tommy post.

 

Des, Darthe being scum doesnt clear Tina imo. It really doesnt.

 

Alright so I dont want to waste time and I also dont want this info to die with me should I get lynched so im just gonna reveal now. I am Town Oracle. I can ask 3 Y/N questions about the setup before roles were handed out each night. These are the 3 I asked last night along with their answers.

 

1) Are there any third party in this game? No
2) Are there any Vanilla town in this game? Yes
3) Is there a Symp in the game? No

 

I can explain the reasoning behind each one if you want, but I think they are pretty obvious. Atleast now that its out in the open I can ask for advice for what to ask tonight should I live, as I have been trying to figure out what questions would be good myself.

 

I feel like not enough people are talking about the fact that Lenlo's role is almost completely unbelievable.

 

THREE questions a night? That would be retardedly overpowered.

 

I don't buy the claim, and I don't buy the questions coming from a town!Lenlo.

 

No opinion of Tina but I believe it's Lenlo who brought the case to me so if he's scum Tina probably isn't. On second thought Des saying he wants to lynch Len (but can't) means nothing and may even be wolfy if Lenlo is scum because it's free empty cred. Has Des talked about Len much in this game? I haven't read up yet I'm sorry.

 

Wow dude. Just wow.

 

There's essentially no way I can believe Tommy is town this game. Not from this post alone, just so many things he's saying that are just not even close to what he'd be saying if he was town.

 

I have mentioned Lenlo TONS this game. Most importantly, after defending him a bit for a while, I was one of the FIRST to fos him for his vote on Darthe. My suspicions on Lenlo even led to me reconsidering my read on Darthe. You linking us here again after trying but failing before just reeks of scum.

 

I have literally no opinion of Len's claim besides his questions are EASILY scum queries. Lynch him.

 

How can you say you have literally no opinion of the claim and then immediately question it?

 

 

How are they scum queries?

1) Third parties are dangerous. We needed to atleast know if they exist in this game.

2) If there are no vanilla town then this would be a role madness game type of game. Knowing this we would have to be alot more careful when dealing with someones claims.

3) We need to know if there are symps as Symps act differently than actual scum.

 

As I said I dont know what I should ask tonight so im trying to figure that out.

 

 

Scum would benefit from the answers a lot more than town would.

 

1. Fearmongering about third party is one of the most reliable scumtells out there. Third party is NOT that dangerous for town, not when many of the roles can even win WITH town.

2. Scum would want to know how many PR's town has. This also makes me think you could be a scum Oracle that asked these questions, and asked if there were any VT's cause your team has no goons.

3. Again, mafia would want to know if there were symps a LOT more than town would. Town can still scumhunt and find symps, it's not always as easy but they don't present so much of a challenge that I would have wasted a question on them like that.

 

@Des can you make me a bionic wife?

 

 

If len is mafia then the team is len clov tina/verb

 

This gives me some fairly strong town vibes from Darthe. Here he shows he is unafraid to pretty much pull a 180 on a bunch of his recent reads, and still trying to #solve the game.

 

Earlier his fighting with Des was meh. They both made good points, coulda gone either way. Then suddenly he throws out a very weird taunt and threat to Des, that he has his vote and that Des should hope his gun doesn't turn/shoot him or something like that. It didn't read well no matter how I read it, pinged a lot and all around just changed my perception of everything he'd done so far in the game.

Not a real case, mostly gut and bad feelings, but it's what broke the camels back.

 

Lenlo you didn't answer my question from before.

 

Why fos or case Darthe for threatening me, when I had already threatened him before that and you didn't fos me for that?

 

Ok.  Town read on you as a result.

(this was in regards to Lenlo btw)

 

Whaaaa? Town read on him just because of his claim?

 

 

Words about Jack:

 

-Verbal: My gut says he's town (came after hammervote)
-Dawn: I don't have any good reason for voting him, though. Give me a reason and then I might.
-Lenlo: we don't have time for a Tina lynch so I'm going Jack to consolidate, but come D2 I'm pushing your lynch
-Pralaya: I had a null read on Jack. Did not find his response post to Tina overly scummy as others saw but his later posts have been a bit emotional than logical, laughing off and acting frustrated etc. His claim is irrelevant since it is an open role which could be either town or scum and I don't want to have my read on him based on it.
-Cory: I'm down to clown

Unvote

Vote Jack
-BFG: vote Jack

Des's posts have seemed pro town since the vote on Csarmi

-Dice:

i dont really like the des train. I think jack is the best choice atm.

 

6 of 13 people (not including Jack, because I think it's safe to say he thought he was town) didn't vote for Jack, so he has that on his side.  When you look at those comments, it doesn't seem like THAT many people had strong convictions he was going to be scum, either.  At least four votes look like they were just willing to take a lynch (Pral, Lenlo, Dice, and BFG).

 

 

Words about Tina (omitting you and Cory because it's well known how you two felt, omitting Lenlo because also well know):

 

-Darth: I also think that Tina is more likely to be town than you two by a considerable margin.

-Jack: Tina is where the votes should be IMO.

-BFG: See this as pro-Town ((Note: this is in regards to Tina's vote on Jack, later explains how she felt it was obvious Tina was trying to get the game going))

-Dice: i read Tina as trying to kickstart things with her jack vote and am leaning town on her

-Dawn: Since 3 seems to be the usual number of scum in a game, I'm guessing that the 3 scum are you, Tina, and Clov.

 

Again, let the record state that there was A TON of Tina being town talk, like you insinuated...from you and Cory.  But again, a lot of her being scum talk from Lenlo.  In conclusion, where you get there was a strong consensus about her alignment, I have no idea.

 

These two posts together are pretty much enough for me to push you completely into the LOCK CLEAR category. I think you're experienced enough to display WIM as scum, but this right here, following up on something to this extent, I just don't see the point of at all if you're scum.

 

Town Tina also tunnels more.  She isn't displaying any of that thus far.

 

Fwiw I would disagree with this assessment. I think she has tunneled on you specifically in the past, but I don't think she falls into tunnelvision easily.

 

 

 

I say go for it. You got someone you think is scum, then shoot him. Its what a town vig should do. You coming out and saying it though with no prodding or risk of being lynched worries me. Its an out of the blue role claim.
 
Vigs also arnt a scum only role.

 
This is scummy as hell.  Play so far suggests that Lenlo leans scum on Despo and town on Darthe.  Des comes out of nowhere with the claim and all of a sudden, Lenlo wants him to kill somebody that he's been backing as town most of the game?  Pretty significant change based on an impulse claim of somebody that he seemingly wouldn't be trusting.  If Des/Darthe ends up being town on town, this reads like Lenlo sees a chance to get rid of two experienced townies at once (killing Darthe, and then going back to his initial scumread on Des, with the added benefit of "he literally killed town by himself").

 

^ This.  Makes me think both Darthe & Des are town, and Lenlo is scum.

 

VC?

 

Whoa there Captain Flip Flop! Didn't you just townread Lenlo because of his claim? Lol

 

Des is really starting to want to vote Tina.

 

Or Des.

 

Btw, still plan to NK me Des?

 

Honestly, I thought for a while about being vague with my answer, but eh I'll just be upfront:

 

No, I don't plan on killing you anymore.

 

Last night after seeing Lenlo's vote on you, I stepped back from the situation to consider it with a fresh perspective, and thought about your claim again. It struck me that scum!Darthe likely wouldn't claim vote thief like that and act like it either cleared him or expect to not catch heat from it. Town!Darthe would, because when he's town he tends to think he always looks town to everyone else, even when he doesn't or shouldn't.

 

Then I started seeing some of your posts in a different light, and I saw you branching out a bit more with your reads and considering everything, not just assuming there was definite scum in me/Tina. At this point I have you as town. Did my appeal to reason or for you to show your towniness get through to you?

 

Also, can you explain phrasing?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLWrKh2fB0

 

 

Clov: I don´t understand what he was doing on D1. Des says that he scum slipped. Clov tried to explain that if one of the votes on Des was a scum vote then it would have been Cory´s. But he never goes after Cory. Instead he votes Des himself. He also seems to stand on the side line - a comment here, a question there. At the same time I think he have made some logical posts. I have played with him before but don´t know how he played then or if he was town/mafia. I do get bad vibes here. 

If he actually scum slipped, why didn't more people vote for him? I have been rather suspicious of him since the beginning, but kind of forgot about him - maybe I shouldn't have. I missed him voting Des instead of Cory - that seems really strange.

 

This and a couple of other posts I've seen from you lately have been VERY nudgy Dawn. You're starting to look like potential scum again.

 

Ok, here are my reads (scum to town)

Darthe 

Clov

Despo

Lenlo

Hallia

Dice

Verb

Tommy

 

And I have absolutely no clue about Laya. 

I'm getting a bit more suspicious of Lenlo. At first I completely believed his claim because he said it at a time where not everyone was trying to lynch him, which is a time a lot of mafia will fake claim, I think (because when I've been scum in other games, people would tell me to make fake claims as a last resort as soon as a lot of people tried to lynch me. I never did it though) But now, not so much - 2 of the 3 questions he asked would be pretty easy to figure out on his own. (And maybe the other, but I don't know what that role is so I can't say so.) And the other comments he has made after making that claim are kind of strange. 

 

Hallia's vote on me was really random. She just came in and voted me with no comment on my gameplay. I'm null on her right now just because of how confused I am by this.

 

And I've read a lot of Tommy's posts. I normally will not be confident that anyone's town, but he seems very trustworthy. 

 

This brings me back to thinking you're newbtown again tho.

 

 

You really think Tommy has done more than Pralaya? 

 

 

I will read that answer tomorrow because it´s time to sleep. 

 

Done more?  Hell no.  Looks townier?  Yupp.  

 

DM has not yet adopted a less is more policy.  Tommy didn't need to say a billion things to spew his alignment.  He made a few really good points and avoided making bad ones or playing to something other than what I expect of a town him.  Everyone else has talked so much and said so little that your alignment has become muddled in a bunch of words that now come back to bite you regardless of alignment.

 

Tommy practically invented the "Less is more" approach bro. It would be the easiest way for him to look townie. I think you clear him waaaaay too easily here. Look at his LOCK CLEAR group dude.

 

Or we protect Len for a few nights and let him gather info.....then lynch him to confirm. If we ask the right questions, perhaps we can use his role to narrow the lynch pool.

 

This is in general an extremely antitown suggestion/concept. If Lenlo was scum he could lead town off a cliff with this method.

 

 

 

 

 

Dice: I didn´t like his Cory vote yesterday. His reason for voting Jack was because it´s "the best choice" and that he didn´t like the Des train. It´s not really a reason. Can´t remember how close to DL it was. Today he thinks Darthe is town and Des is town after his claim. But who is scum? I don´t get a good feeling from Dice. Add to that when he questioned Hallia why she voted for him even though she didn´t. Actually that exchange was strange:

H: Dice voted Cory d1. Ping!

D: Did you vote me because I voted Cory who voted Des even though he said Des was town and then jumped to another vote?

H: I didn´t vote you.

D: No, I was wrong.

Ehm... Hallia didn´t answer and Dice let it go as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hallia jumped at me on the cory vote. I pointed out why i voted cory and asked if that was why she voted me. I used the wrong word . shrug   thats all there is to it.

 

 

I agree that there is probably a mafia member among the three of you.  I thought it was cory. Now with Des' claim im not sure if it is you or him. I thought your change of vote to jack was good but you have not done much since to back it up. Then there is the des/darthe thing and des claims vig. my least fav claim atm.

 

I am watching and thinking. I think that your posts have been very safe. you have only really offered opinions on those that have had something to say regarding one of you, des or cory. everyone else just got one line or so.

 

Know what? the more i think about it the more i think you are trying to use that group that gathered around you for protection.

 

vote tina

 

 

Italicized and underlined: ...? Why are you saying this just now Dice? People have been saying this for a while, and after she fos's you all of a sudden you start saying the same thing.

 

Yeah thinking I had you in the wrong crowd. FOS.

 

@clov   recently there has been a spate of fake vig claims    glares at tommy    to the point that i almost automatically disbelieve one now. Des' bit about getting it after a certain person dies makes me feel better about it but not 100% and that is simply because i have learned to never trust Des totally

 

Don't like this post either. Too fence-sittingy for me, looks like he's trying to "buy" it while also leaving room to try and lynch me later.

 

I think Darthe refusing to answer questions is scummy; the one thing that I've been having drilled into my skull is that as town we have no reason to lie and not be forthcoming with well...anything.  Not so sure on both Darthe/Des being town anymore.

 

Hate to break it to you but whoever drilled that into your skull is... wrong. Town can have MANY reasons to lie or not be forthcoming about something. Role claims for instance, when they wanna wifom the scum team. They might mask their reads (as I often do) to keep from being NK'ed early.

 

While it's generally good for a townie to be forthcoming about their reasoning behind all actions, in situations where you're doing a gambit this is obviously not a good idea.

 

##Unvote Lenlo

##Vote Des
 

 

[Pralaya]

unvote

 

3 questions per night for Oracle is not common. But, I have seen unlimited questions Oracle before. So, well. 

 

 

@Pral/Tommy you can stop voting Len now. We have a Tina/Des to kill.

 

Don't have a scum read on either of them. 

[hazelkrs1]

TL,DR: Tommy has VAULTED up to the top of my scumdar. Here's the thing (I didn't cover this in my wot btw): Tommy is one of the best people around honestly at being able to tell when I'm town. He has townread me even when everyone else had me as scum (and I was town). He even apparently read some of the back and forth with me and Darthe. There is NO way you can get me to believe Tommy wouldn't have me as town if he was town himself. Christ, he even said that Darthe had me beat on conviction in his tone.... anyone worth their salt who read the back and forth between Darthe and I would know this for the horsecrap it is. Darthe even backed down from a ton of points I made.

 

Aside from just me tho, I find his responses to everything else going on to be sketchballs as well. Says he has "literally" no opinion of Lenlo's claim... and then proceeds to discredit it in the second half of his sentence. Asks Pray if he's town, Pray responds yes jokingly (fwiw I do have Pray as town now) so Tommy puts him in his small LOCK CLEAR group. This is NOT how town!Tommy builds his LOCK CLEARS. He also snuck Dawn in there, and why I have no clue.

 

Darthe looks town now. He should put my vote on Tommy.

 

Also think Lenlo is still likely scum. An Oracle that can ask 3 questions per night is just insanely OP. And the questions he asked def suited a scum!Oracle more than a town one.

 

Dice is pinging a good bit lately. Clov is now pretty much LOCK CLEAR for me. Tina still looks town after her catchup, Verbal looks... slightly town but confuzzled or something. Flip flopping a bit, in regards to Lenlo at least. Hallia seems to be talking more about mafia or players in general lately when she posts, isn't keeping her thoughts focused on this game and events going on here. This is raising some suspicion on her for me.

 

Right now tho my top three are def Tommy, Lenlo, and Dice.

[hazelkrs1]

unvote

 

3 questions per night for Oracle is not common. But, I have seen unlimited questions Oracle before. So, well. 

 

That happened with an inexperienced mod. That isn't the case this game.

[dicetosser1]

i changed my mind des. rereading that post of hers as i was responding, it occurred to me she was using the group as a shield.

 

people change their minds sometimes     dont they vig??

[Tommyrod]

Dessypoo, OMGUS isn't what I would expect from you. If you want to convince me that you're town and not bullying me out of a correct read on you, you'll have to not immediately throw me under the bus when I have suspicions of you.

 

There's a few silly things in your rebuttal post that have me doubting even more. E.g. you have Lenlo as scum but think I'm willing to hard bus him in a spot where there's no heat on me (ridiculous); you suggest I could never read you incorrectly -- if that's true, then I'm probably right about you being scum -- but I'm often mafia when I clear you because you're so annoying to deal with otherwise that it just makes things easy; you're nitpicking semantics to assert that me writing "literally" is a scum claim (?); you claim I couldn't clear Pral easily yet I can clear you easily (again, ?); and I spent a few back and forth posts with Darthe discussing Dawn as a player and decided she's far more likely to be noobtown than noobscum with her general attitude. It's also absurd to simultaneously criticize me for not reading the thread and then ignore portions of my posts (of which there isn't that much) to suit your argument.

 

What is it that you claim to not understand about tone reading? It's effective. This is the most I have seen Darthe care about a game of mafia since the champions game, I think. It's so rare to see actual WIM spirit from him, in addition to his non-B.S.-y phrasing and general posting style, which is unlike his scum game I described in too much detail, that I really don't think he will flip scum.

 

So my ultimatum to you is play better: start making sense to me, or you'll continue to be a suspect of mine and I'll get you lynched once I have time to sit down at a computer and thunderdome you. That's not a threat; it's a promise.

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 

Darthe (2) - Dawn, Lenlo

Des (2) -  Clov, Tommy

Lenlo (1) - Tina

Dawn (1) - Hallia

Tina (1) - Dice
 
not voting - Des, Verbal, Darthe, Pral
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch
 
Deadline Saturday Noon EST (willing to move to Friday or Monday due to the holiday) 

[hazelkrs1]

Yup Tommy is CONFIRMED

[Tommyrod]

Yup Tommy is CONFIRMED

 

 

[Tommyrod]

 

Vote Count

 

Darthe (2) - Dawn, Lenlo

Des (2) -  Clov, Tommy

Lenlo (1) - Tina

Dawn (1) - Hallia

Tina (1) - Dice

 

not voting - Des, Verbal, Darthe, Pral

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline Saturday Noon EST (willing to move to Friday or Monday due to the holiday) 

 

 

I vote to keep the Saturday noon deadine. That should be enough time for me to slap together a LolCase on Des and get him lynched like the scum that I am!!

[hazelkrs1]

Here's one thing you're either forgetting or just completely looking over Tommy:

 

I could give two dogturds about getting lynched.

 

I'll go one for one with a scummie any day of the week. If you got me lynched, my flip would confirm everything I'm saying, and you'd come out of it looking like straight dog doodoo.

 

So, that being said...

 

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

Basically Tommy, there's no scenario where you come out of here alive. Either you get me lynched today and then you'll hang tomorrow like the scum you are, or you don't and I shoot you tonight, or your team blocks me and I build up the momentum for the wall to end all walls and put you away for good.

 

Coming @ me was not a good decision. I know you tried the buddying technique last time you were scum and it didn't work so you thought you might as well try taking me out sooner, but dude I will seriously drag you through mud, gravel, ditches and even some cow patties on my way to the hangman. Thunderdoming with me when my WIM is this high will NOT work out for you.

[Niniel]

I´m not sure that I believe in Lenlo´s claim at all. As someone said, it could work as a role cop and are kind of overpowered. Let´s say that there was a town oracle - by asking 1. Is there a GF? 2. Is there a mafia rb? 3. Is there another mafia pr? you would get so much information at once. I don´t understand why he would ask about vanillas at all. I think he is just making it up. 

 

I agree with Des (suprice!), I have a bad feeling about Tommy. Darthe said that Tommy´s posts beats Pral´s but I don´t agree. I get town feelings from Pral´s posts but not from Tommy´s. 

 

Would like to hear more from Verbal. A quiet Verbal makes me nerveous. 

 

Dice´s OMGUS vote doesn´t look good. He and Lenlo are still my top suspects. 

[Tommyrod]

Cool story. I imagined that rant coming from the ice king dude in adventure time. Can you tell me in two (brief) sentences why you're now utterly convinced I'm scum? Show me the smoking gun.

[Tommyrod]

That's to Des, of course. Hi Tina.

[Niniel]

Hi. :) Have you read the whole thread?