[Advanced] Twilight Mafia Game over - Mafia win

[Hallia]

That's very true. 

 

Vote Dawn

[Darthe]

No, plz.  Stay on point, she isn't getting lynched today or hopefully ever.

[Hallia]

Why would you say so?  And to me it makes sense right now, as I see both you and Des as town 

[dawnflower8]

That's very true. 

 

Vote Dawn

 

Well, that vote was random.

[Darthe]

Funny, I said that about a particular group of three several times and you never seemed to care.

[Darthe]

Why would you say so? And to me it makes sense right now, as I see both you and Des as town

She is townspewing with newbie tells so I dont want her lynched despite the fact that it may hurt us for her to live to late game and I would much rather see you vote someone of substance because it is more telling about you.

[Clovdyx]

Lenlo move your vote NOW if you ever want to be cleared off my potential suspects list. Failure to comply will result in you being LOCK SCUM for the rest of the game.

 

Hate this post.  I get that you're convinced Tina is lock clear town, whatever, but unless you have evidence that proves that I really don't like that you're telling another player he's not allowed to vote for somebody that he's been reading as scum for a phase and a half now.  REALLY scummy that you're going to lock him in as scum for it.

 

I already gave you good reason Lenlo. Multiple people, including two now dead townies, townread Tina. Nothing about the way she kickstarted the game was scummy. She DID put herself in the limelight with her move and passed the test. You're either wrong, or scum dude.

 

Again, failure to comply with moving your vote will result in you being LOCK SCUM. You really wanna play with fire here? I expect you to either be removing your vote in your next post, or telling me what plans you and Darthe have been cooking up in the QT and why we shouldn't lynch him.

 

And multiple people, including two now dead townies, scumread Jack.  Just because they're dead doesn't mean they're right about everything, and the fact you're trying to use that to substantiate your defense of somebody whose alignment would seemingly be a mystery to you makes it seem like you're trying to divert attention away from Tina through any means necessary.  Unless you're a second pair of town masons, underline suggests you know her alignment.  Unlike the conditional "slips" that have been presented based on "knowing" somebody's alignment, you're leaving no room for doubt.  By your own line of reasoning, you just admitted to being scum.

 

Tina isn't guaranteed to be town because a bunch of people see her as town Lenlo. She is just a horrible lynch candidate because of it. More importantly, the scummiest person in the game atm, Darthe, has been promoting a me/Tina/Cory scum group for a while now. Scum didn't expect Cory to die, so Darthe thought he could get more mislynches out of it. Lynching Tina today plays into his hands.

 

And speaking of which, continue not mentioning or responding to mentions of Darthe. It amuses me.

 

 

She is a horrible lynch candidate because certain people think (thought, in Cory's case) she's town?  Okay, so take everybody that abstained from voting Jack.  They probably thought he was town, or they would have joined your CFD.  Did that mean he was a terrible lynch candidate?

 

What's the case on her again? Just that she voted jack and did not respond and let Des argue for her? What else was there.

 

Don't think it is that strong an argument, frankly. 

 

 

What cases do you think are the strongest at this point, either for town or scum, and which case do you think is the best direction for the day?

If you can dodge a Des you can dodge a ball!

 

Patches O'Houligan, you silly silly old man. How did you go from looking like Hank Azaria to looking like Rip Torn?

 

Okay, I'll give you this, this was a nice exchange.

 

If y'all want to weigh in on deadline, that would be great. 

 

Friday, Saturday or Monday? 

 

Saturday would be my preference.

 

It won't work. My point is that your logic isnt panning out so far des and you seem pretty driven to ignoring that. I have been watching the voting patterns this game and so far you come up lacking.

 

What do you feel about Tina?

 

How do I come up lacking? Because I've been confident enough to move my vote around? There's no way you can know whether anyone else I voted was town or not, so your whole "watching the voting patterns" thing is weak as hell.

 

And *facepalm* @ last bit. There should literally be no reason for you to ask this question.

 

 

Bold seems like another thing that you would be pushing as a slip if it were anybody else.  Think about it - he's apparently your #1 scum suspect this game.  If you're so confident, why WOULDN'T he know if the people you've voted are town or not? 

 

If you're as confident that he's scum as your continuous argument suggests, I don't understand why you're not working the angle of him using your votes against you here as to signify him being mafia.  You wouldn't say that he wouldn't know who's town.  You'd say he knows EXACTLY who town is, unlike you, and that's how he can be so assured your votes have been towards other townies.

 

 

Is anyone surprised at that list at all

 

My Tina meta says that she is safe az all hell when scum. I hate that cory is gone but we are getting closer. So, him or her?

 

You hate that Cory is gone. You're such a buffoon lol. You were calling him scum the whole day yesterday! You were working AGAINST him, not WITH him. Kinda like how you've been working against town this whole time as well.

 

 

Again, suggests Despot knows EXACTLY who is and is not town.  By my count, that's three slips to start this phase.  Remind me again why we're not all Vote(ing) Despot?

 

Thanks tina. Des, why avoid the question?

 

Oh and the reason is that I know now youve attempted to vote three town, two dead and myself. Thats a bad track record. I additionally think tommy town which makes four. What do you do when you find someone who seemingly only votes townies, sheeps as a group and refuses to answer basic questions? I follow my leads.

 

Do you  have anything for Tom, other than he took over for Csarmi who you felt was wrongly being pushed?  I don't think either of them has contributed a thing to the thread of substance yet.

 

I'm here. Cory, Des, who we lynchin'?

 

Somebody's not reading the thread.  That's bad.  REALLY bad.

 

 

I'm learning a lot already. Is there a consensus scummy player yet or is it mostly small personal battles?

Mostly small personal battles. Im thinking its going to come down to a thunderdome between me/Tina or Darthe/Des soon. 

 

 

Big personal battles, I'd say.  Darthe and Des/Tina/Cory has been the big thing.  Lenlo and I have been involved with it but not as much.

 

Im votong you because you are mafia.

I honestly don't know why, but this post made me laugh. It is a bit suspicious though, to just say it in that way. It sounds like something Ice would say, not something that a more experienced player such as yourself would.

 

Vote Darthe. There's something really strange going on with this.

 

 

Yesterday your top read was Despot, followed by Tina and myself.  You never were able to give solid answers for why you thought the two of us were scum.  Now you're voting the biggest opponent of your previous top read.  I know reads are dynamic, but what have you seen to take Despot from the top of your list to, presumably, off it while placing Darthe at the top after he hadn't been on it?

 

Say what in what way?  You're doing the same thing your brother does which is stating that you have a problem in some vague manner without ever specifying your issue or logically giving direction for your train of thought.  Nobody can work with that.  It's frustrating.

 

Darthe, you've now referenced her brother on multiple occasions.  Two questions:

 

1) As an outsider, who the hell is her brother?

2) Relevance?

 

 

Boys...

You know you love us.

 

 

Men make my life difficult. And they are trouble. *nods* 

 

 

Amen, sister.

 

Dawn if you can't scumhunt can you townhunt? Who do you think is trustworthy?

 

I probably can't, but I don't really try. I can't really trust anyone, although some people seem more scummy than others. 

 

 

 

And no, I'm not going to spam the page calling you a meanie and thinking you are scum for criticizing me like Ice did to Cloud in the Godzilla game. (Although, I seriously do still think you are scum)

 

I admit I have NO CLUE how to scumhunt. 

 

 

Sorry, I almost modkilled him for that.  Explain WHY you think I am scum so that I can refute it.  Otherwise your nothing but a liability to me and the rest of the town.  Also, explain how you chose me over Des,  I pretty well know the answer to this (he uses emotive arguments, essentially argues passionately and plays to the lowest common denominator where I won't play that way) but I want to see what you see.

 

As for the last part, that can be learned in time.  You just have to want to learn.  

 

You probably should have, that was very ridiculous. I already explained why I think you are scum. You said "I voted you because you are mafia" or something very similar. That does not sound like something an experienced player would say. That sounds like something Ice would say. It was just not right, and you should probably have given him a better reason than "because you're mafia." Even "You seem scummy to me" would be better than that, although I'd still wonder why you didn't provide detail. Yes, just that simple post made me think you are scum - even over Despo. Earlier, I thought you probably were not scum, and this is changing my mind. And you basically saying that me being a new player is why I'm thinking this could be trying to take advantage over the fact that I'm new, and disguising it as helping me when in reality, you are trying to lead me off track. (I'm probably wrong on this, even if you are scum - thinking of something like this would probably be pretty hard, but then again, you're a very experienced player.)

 

So, yes, I do still think you are scum. And it's not that random of an accusation, I do have reasoning behind it. And yes, I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in this game who thinks both you and Despo are scum (although I do think you are more likely to be) because you've been so against each other in this game; it's crazy and sort of unrealistic. Maybe things like this happen often, but I've never seen it before. It seems to me you are trying to separate yourselves.

 

 

Bold - I don't see how the two of them could possibly be scum together.  I'm fully aware that bussing occurs in mafia, but as I've explained to others in the past, you generally don't see one member of the mafia go to incredible lengths to build a case on their own teammate - you see them agree with somebody else's case once it looks like the lynch could gain traction.  Not only has Darthe established a lengthy argument on Despot, but Despot has spent an equal amount of time building his case in Darthe.  This would literally be the first time in two years I've seen the vast majority of a thread filled with two teammates waging war against each other. 

 

So, personally, no - I can't buy this is bussing.  The only way both are scum is if there's more than one faction.  In a game this small, I would doubt that's the case.

 

In regards to the rest of it, I don't see how you can draw the conclusion that Darthe is scum from that one statement.  He had already well established his position on Despot throughout the previous day, the night, and until that point in the day phase (and since, as well).  I don't think either one really needs to further justify their voting for the other, so I think Darthe's response was perfectly suitable for a townie player - ESPECIALLY when you look at it in context.

 

I know you've said multiple times that you're not sure how to scumhunt due to your inexperience, which I can understand, but this looks like you're just grasping at straws to justify a phantom vote.  With seemingly Despot unable to lead a lynch on Darthe, somebody needed to get it started for the scumteam.  You draw the short straw?

 

I see how you could both easily be town.  You're both passionate players, Des just does it with more words, and you do it with a touch more sarcasm.  I'm leaning town on town right now.

 

More plausible than both scum, I suppose.  Since this suggests you've read up, who else are you leaning scum?

[dicetosser1]

 

"I voted you because you are mafia" "You seem scummy to me"

 

 

Dawn  cav to archer.You seem to think one of these above are better then the other. Explain the differen ce between the 2 statements to me.

 

a hint even tho im probably one of the last giving lessons. When you come accross a statement like these, think of what the person has been saying before (in thios case Darthes points he has been arguing against Des for all those pages) and what they make you think.

 

Then imagine you are Darthe and say the words out loud the way you think he would say them. does that make sense? i hope it helps.

[dicetosser1]

above i quoted Dawn but mangled the quote boxes

 

Love that tommy didnt catch that darth was paying out on him lol

 

 

@Hallia. Let me get this straight. You voted me for voting Cory because he switched drastically on Des and then followed along like a puppy? Is that right??

[Hallia]

Except I didn't vote for you at all? 

[dawnflower8]

To answer Clov's question, my brother is Iceknight. He's even more of a newbie than I am. He basically makes random accusations and gives NO backup or the backup was  "you were mean to me!" and then starts spamming. 

[dawnflower8]

 

 

"I voted you because you are mafia" "You seem scummy to me"

 

 

Dawn  cav to archer.You seem to think one of these above are better then the other. Explain the differen ce between the 2 statements to me.

 

a hint even tho im probably one of the last giving lessons. When you come accross a statement like these, think of what the person has been saying before (in thios case Darthes points he has been arguing against Des for all those pages) and what they make you think.

 

Then imagine you are Darthe and say the words out loud the way you think he would say them. does that make sense? i hope it helps.

 

Saying someone IS mafia sounds a lot more certain than saying someone SEEMS like mafia. It sounds like a very newbie thing to say. Sounding that certain looks kind of silly - and it seems like a strange thing for an experienced player to do.

[Darthe]

Actually you have that backwards.

 

Saying someone seems like something or may be something is hedging and is an incredibly newbie manner of going about things because it leaves wriggle room.  It will cause uncertainty about you, create reads that people find conflicting and overall make your words less meaningful.  

 

Absolutes are so much more valuable for town and detrimental as mafia that scum and uncertain people fake them and experienced people use them to push their points more persuasively.

[Darthe]

Also, Des has said multiple times that I AM behaving certain ways and thus AM scum.  Why pick up on one and not the other?

[Lenlo]

Im still waiting for Des to show up and do his def of Tina because of our convo with Tommy.

[Darthe]

Well, he usually finishes his audit around... an hour ago but he hasn't been online on our other site either so I am guessing he is legitimately gone and not just ducking out to avoid the heat.  Besides, not his style anyhow.

[Lenlo]

Other site? ARE YOU SEEING ANOTHER WOMAN?!?

[hazelkrs1]

Yo.

[hazelkrs1]

Well, he usually finishes his audit around... an hour ago but he hasn't been online on our other site either so I am guessing he is legitimately gone and not just ducking out to avoid the heat. Besides, not his style anyhow.

You're waaaaay off there bro. We haven't even started audit yet, were usually done with it around 3-4 am EST

[hazelkrs1]

In other news, H8U Tommy. The ease in which you have let yourself be manipulated by Darthe and Lenlo is downright depressing.

 

The obviousness in which Darthe is scum us astonishing. Why haven't y'all lynched him yet?

[hazelkrs1]

Btw, I'm a Vig. If y'all would rather I settle this spat between Darthe and I myself instead of lynching him, trust me- I'd be MORE than happy to oblige.

 

 

Will be back with more when I'm not on the can.

[Lenlo]

Manipulated? We gave him our thoughts on who was scummy and since no one else was around to tell him theres and he hadnt bothered to read the thread up to that point, he has nothing else to go on. Its also not like he voted anyone he still wants your and Tina's response's. Dont like how your just dismissing it all like that either.

[hazelkrs1]

Oh and Tommy I'm not giving CLIFFS. Read the thread for yourself you lazy bastard, its not even that long.

[Lenlo]

Btw, I'm a Vig. If y'all would rather I settle this spat between Darthe and I myself instead of lynching him, trust me- I'd be MORE than happy to oblige.

 

 

Will be back with more when I'm not on the can.

I say go for it. You got someone you think is scum, then shoot him. Its what a town vig should do. You coming out and saying it though with no prodding or risk of being lynched worries me. Its an out of the blue role claim.

 

Vigs also arnt a scum only role.

[hazelkrs1]

Manipulated? We gave him our thoughts on who was scummy and since no one else was around to tell him theres and he hadnt bothered to read the thread up to that point, he has nothing else to go on. Its also not like he voted anyone he still wants your and Tina's response's. Dont like how your just dismissing it all like that either.

Yes, manipulated. You immediately tried to "fill him in" but only went with describing your read on Tina, pretty much COMPLETELY passing over everything else that was more relevant, like say for instance the thunderdome between Darthe and I. Then Darthe comes in and says everyone he was working with is dead.... Even tho he was fos'ing the two townies that died last night! And hardcore in Cory's case!

 

So yes, you two sprung at the chance to buddy and deceive Tommy when he had just entered the thread and when I wasn't online to show how ridiculously scummy y'all were being