[Advanced] Twilight Mafia Game over - Mafia win

[Cory Caboose]

I dont caqre if you were the first vote on csarmi cory. You got off him, said des was town then voted him then unvoted and followed him to Csarmi. Its not like you went back to csarmi on your own...you waited til Des went. Hence my vote

The narrative on my gambit vote on Des has been well explained by the thread

 

plz read

 

at least you're prolly town cause i remember you jumping into the thread with incorrect opinions in Star Wars as town

 

i doubt a scumgroup would let you off the leash like that 

[Cory Caboose]

 

I do find it humorous that he's lightened up considerably since I told him he was playing too tight 

 

tho...

 

Its like when the coach slaps a fighter on the back. Gets their head back in the game man.

 

 

You're reaching that danger zone of me liking you too much to ever lynch you

[Darthe]

[dicetosser1]

oh i read the gambit. Problem for you is I can think of another reason for you to do it.

 

 

and i dont wear leashes....

[csarmi]

Sorry for the horrible activity folks. Some major sh#t is happening in RL (several major problems actually) and I can't give the game any focus. I really don't know what to do... I'd hate to ask for a replacement.

[hazelkrs1]

Yay back at work again! Just in time for another wot too!

 

 

Far more serious than Des is taking this game so far, yes.  

 

On Day 1 you won't get anything much stronger than pointing out direct contradictions, three people who are voting directly together and two trains that they have been on that clearly used follow along reasoning or an absence of any merit to illicit reactions.  

 

Give me one reason why I, as a townie who can't know other peoples alignment, should follow on that sort of lead doggedly?  

 

First paragraph is a completely unfair and untrue barb at me. I have taken the game very seriously so far, and my play supports this. I was off for 5 days while it was starting, but you can go back through my posts and stuff yourself on all the WIM in them.

 

Second paragraph is close to unintelligible. One thing I think you said was that there was an absence of any merit to illicit reaction by some of the votehopping going on... and how exactly are you able to divine this??? You're straight pulling this right out your ass dude. You can't say whether someone has or hasn't been trying to illicit reactions with their vote or posts.

 

Third paragraph is terribad. So you're essentially saying townies shouldn't follow on anything, since you also point out that on Day 1 there won't be much to go on. This would just lead to everyone trying to case their own suspect, likely leading to difficulty consolidating on any singular targets which both decreases the threat of lynch on every one of them and increases the chances that there will be a lame late rushed consolidation lynch on someone.

 

You're pretty much telling us that you think town should settle for one or two trains day 1 and not move around much... and I find this to be the exact opposite of what town should try to do Day 1. DM has long Day 1's, we should use them to our benefit. Spreading votes and pressure around Day 1 helps get as many involved in the discussion as possible and gets as many thread interactions as possible, which gives town a treasure trove to dig through on later rereads.

 

So to you vote-hopping is bad, and worth fosing and linking a number of people together who are vote-hopping, and also enough to clear one of the people they voted for. Okay.

 

 

 

I doubt Tina calls that much attention to herself as town; I've read one game where she was Maf on VS and she was happy to slank to victory as a half-absentee

 

 

Shes not bring attention to her self though. She popped in with one vote and then let you and Des handle the rest, doing nothing since then except move the vote to another person where you and Des then follow. Again.

 

A) She's def getting more attention than she usually would at this point of a game

B) She likely would have gotten more attention had peeps not been focused on me or other stuff

 

I would highly suggest Lenlo/Darthe/Salami trains for today

 

Darthe I guess could be town because he really just seems to enjoy being difficult at times even though I can't follow his mindset whatsoever

 

Bold is actually what makes Darthe more likely to be town imo. He's showing WIM, he's just wrong a lot and viewing the thread from the wrong perspective. This is a strong towntell for Darthe.

 

 

Looked fine to me 

 

Glad to see some of your Clov-Paranoia shine through, but the fact that I didn't even give a supporting quote should have sent a warning bell at least to you.

 

Welcome to the higher end of my nulls, though I'd really prefer you to be town after the last few circles you've run on me. What are your thoughts on Lenlo and Darthe this game?

 

 

Darthe is my strongest town read at this point.  The only thing scummy about Jack to me thus far is his retaliation vote on Tina.  Despot was trying to make something out of nothing IMO with the whyme fryme, so Darthe was right to argue against it.  Not only scum focuses on defending themselves - anybody who realizes they're town, and lynching town is bad, should question unexplained lynches against them.

 

On top of that, I think Darthe's train of thought on you is perfectly fair.

 

 

My reaction is that you voted someone after I just cased them without providing any comment was not okay.

 

 

He did the work, you piled on without a word, despite having just said Despot was town.  If he ended up getting trained today from that lynch, you would be one of the first people I would want to look at.

 

Lenlo is town-leaning null for me ATM.  Good points about Tina leading the wagons and you and Despot following (though you were on Csarmi first, before moving to Despot).  I liked his answer in Post 169 about Csarmi being an easier lynch than Jack, too.

 

 

Emphasized a potential slip here- Clov might have a priori knowledge that I'm town. He doesn't say if I got mislynched as town or trained and then flipped town, he simply says if I had gotten trained today (and eventually lynched) that he'd be looking at Cory. Looks like he might have just spewed me town and him scum in one precious moment

 

 

 

Despot making something out of nothing is generally his Day 1 town MO - if I know this then Darthe knows this, so if he has something on Des besides that I'm quite interested

Its not just his D1 town MO its his D1 MO no matter what he is. :P

 

 

Aye, I can vouch for this. I know my meta well, and know how to hide in it or abuse it to my advantage.

 

As scum or town, I try getting the game started as fast as possible and will often use weak cases to help do so.

 

I know a lot more about Des than you.  I've been playing with him my entire career and we are probably the closest thing to a friendly rivalry that this entire website has.  It isn't that one of us starts a game, it is how.  This is the exact reason that we are on one another almost instantly each game and if we aren't we wreck games.

 

Still proud that I caught him on his first post one game.  He said "ok" or something similar.

 

I anticipate Des to present charismatic arguments, force situations and generally flare on people to boost their reactivity.  He then takes their reactions and uses those to whittle away at them.  It is him regardless of if he is town or scum and regardless of if he is on town or scum though in time he has become better at recognizing the differences.  

 

However, town Des is going to attack.  He is suicidal town and he is going to play to WIN on D1 because he knows he is either getting lynched for being entirely wrong or getting NK'd for being entirely right by the 3rd phase.  

 

Mafia Des won't do this.  He plays with the same bravado to imitate it but his tone changes because he can't afford to lose himself and he tends to not trust his team to win on their own.  He wants to remain in control of the situations and so he will be more conscientious.  

 

Any time I catch des caring for his own life, attempting to keep control or leaving himself a way out of every situation I go for it.  Here we see the first and third.  

 

Bold- I disagree entirely with your notion that I try staying alive as long as possible as scum and don't trust my teammates. I can prove this as well if you like.

 

Since it's under discussion, my mafia meta is actually not to care about survival whatsoever, and I'm pretty sure I've explained this to Darthe before. I'm generally too high profile to hope I'll never be viewed by an investigative role or targeted by a Vig of some kind or something, so I've tailored my play accordingly to still allow me to be affective. I actually will start the game expecting to die at some point, so I'll prepare for that eventuality by tying myself to townies and sowing as much wifom as I can so that town chases a bunch of dead ends looking for my teammates after I die. Again, I'm pretty sure me and Darthe have discussed this before- that we are lodestones for PR's.

 

So yeah, Darthe's perception of my mafia meta is completely incorrect. In fact, over the last few months, I have been scum oh mebbe ~ 6 or 7 times. During that time, I was on two mafia teams where I survived to the end, the Champions game where my team swept town, and the I don't know what it was called but me and Verbal were the two werewolves and we were pretty much awesome, town never suspected either one of us lol. Each other time I've been scum, I actually died very early on. In fact, I have been lynched D1 as scum 3 distinct times in my recent memory.

 

And guess what happened each of those times. My team still won. I have an excellent winning rate as town or mafia incidentally. Yes, I'm bragging, but eh we were discussing it.

 

Anyways, since you think me caring for my own life is a meta scumtell for me, even tho it isn't, can you at least show examples of where it seemed I cared for my life? I don't remember ever posting like that this game, I def haven't felt any immediate concern for my life. Show how I've been "leaving himself a way out of every situation" while you're at it as well, since that's not exactly the easiest point to refute due to the vagueness of the statement.

 

As Darthe said, thats the general feel I get from Des. Nowhere near as indepth as his. I dont have the rivalry they have, im just there, but I rarely see Des care whether or not he gets lynched as town.

 

Also having a rival sounds like fun. I need one. >.>

 

Like I just explained above, I don't care whether or not I get lynched as town or mafia. If I'm town, I think it will usually be because of a derp on town's part. If I'm scum I hope that I left behind enough wifom to help my team out.

 

And having a rival is actually loads of fun hehe. I've had several through my mafia career

 

It allows you to mask your meta, get to know one person's tells really well, and most importantly use it to set up gambits and stunts.

 

Hey guys busy weekend

So cory I'm no longer Lock Scum not sure if I should be flattered or leery.

Tina is where the votes should be IMO. She has been voting flippantly and has waited in most cases for someone to provide her reason for her. Her and Des are becoming so intertwined in gameplay it's providing lolz as people are just glossing over it.

I agree Lenlo has a different tone this game to start but it is the start and I don't think I'd be okay just to lynch him for that.

Clovdyx has been playing really well and reasonable and he gets me.

Darthe is playing complete opposite from his most recent showing as scum. Not enough to clear him but I feel more easy about him.

Cory seems to be doing the Cory thing but a little muted I think worth looking into. Apparently "reserved" is the key word for him today

Csarmi, I forgot he was playing.

Dawn has also been playing a smooth game IMO for her experience level.

If I missed anyone I'm sorry. Post more.

 

I don't like your nudges at Lenlo and Cory in this post. I also think you're not so subtly trying to buddy Clov and Darthe, who both came to your defense earlier.

 

Lastly tho, I don't get what you're saying about Dawn. Is that a lame scummy soft nudge/fos? Or a general compliment to her? Recently she played in a game with you, and even tho she was scum a lot of people talked about how well she had played for a beginner. I'm thinking you forgot this and just decided to shoot at low hanging fruit by fos'ing a noob.

 

It bodes ill because the trains changed majorly in a short amount of time.  That amount of traction and indecisiveness, especially from a particular group, either means that a good part of the votes needed to lynch are being led around by the nose or town doesn't have its crap together at all.

 

Des clearly is the best lynch of the three.  I am voting him after all.

 

Salami is more likely town than mafia anyways, but I would say that that is exacerbated from the attempt of that same group to form a train on him for reasoning that, as I pointed out, literally did not exist.  They didn't cite anything.  Added onto that the fact that he was the latest of a defacto train switch and the potential for that to be mafia led and I would say that he goes from the ~75% we all have to ~90% to be town.

 

I just can not disagree with the premise of the first paragraph any more.

 

Vote and train hopping does NOT indicate indecisiveness, if anything it indicates a town that is doing a good job of keeping voting activity up. The more trains you see Day 1, the more info can be gained later on in the game.

 

So to you, town would "have its crap together" if they were all leaving their votes parked on their highest scum read instead of spreading out pressure to multiple targets?

 

Okay.

 

 

And your reasoning for Csarmi being town is complete BS btw. Makes no sense and you're unwilling to accept that so you're fluffing your way around it.

 

Sorry for the horrible activity folks. Some major sh#t is happening in RL (several major problems actually) and I can't give the game any focus. I really don't know what to do... I'd hate to ask for a replacement.

 

If you got RL stuff man, ask for a replacement. Replacements are no fun, but might as well do it early if it's going to happen instead of be inactive for longer and then still have to replace out or something.

[hazelkrs1]

Unvote, Vote Clov cause I think I caught him in a scumslip

 

I'd also like to hear a response from what I said about Jack's post however.

 

Oh and BFG def looks town this game. Thing about those wot's... much harder to hide alignment when doing those. As scum she'll still wot, but they're much more of a play by play type of wot than actual scumhunting. Her recent wot's had questions, her catching stuff others might have rolled over, and in general seemed much more concerned with finding the "why" behind things. I recently correctly fingered her as scum because her wot's that game did not contain the same kind of tone, they were just kinda "So this happened, then this happened" type of comments.

[hazelkrs1]

So here's where I'm at atm:

 

Des
Cory

Tina

BFG

Lenlo

Darthe
Dice

 

are all LOCK CLEAR. Dice was a late addition, his tone recently reads well to me, is likely town.

 

---

Salami
Hallia
Verbal
Pral

 

Are all null atm. Forgot Verbal was even playing tbh lol. Now that the weekend is wrapping up he should contribute more. Hallia should hopefully be able to contribute more soon as well once JCon ends. Wanna check on Pray cause I don't really remember anything from him atm.

 

---

 

Jack

Dawn
Clovdyx

 

Are all good suspects imo. Clov for his TMI slip, Jack cause his responses haven't looked that good so far imo, like he's trying too hard to feign amusement with everything. And Dawn has been hiding behind fluff imo- her contributions to the game so far are "LOL lynch Team Jacob! I'm on Team Kill Everyone! LOL!" and... that's about it. Thinking the recent soft little nudge/fos could have been distancing on Jack's part. Clov also came to Jack's rescue earlier, and I don't like the way he seems to be hedging his bets with Cory in his recent posts.

[hazelkrs1]

Whelp Pray only has one post. No wonder I didn't remember anything from him. Here it is in all it's glory:

 

How many teams are there?!!

I need to make an informed decision, guys.Please help me

 

Sole post of the game = Fluff

 

#notgood

 

Go ahead and add him to the suspects list. If there's town on town going on today, scum could be lurking to stay out of it.

 

Airport mafia is a go!

Vote Salami

 

This is Hallia's only post of the game btw. She is in JCon... but honestly I would expect at least a little more fluff from her even so. Meh. Leave her null for now.

[Niniel]

Interesting possible slip. How come you have Lenlo as town? 

 

I´m starting to get conserns about Jack and Lenlo because of their votes on me. I thought Jack was "playing along" to help me get the game starting but he still thinks my vote on him is the scummiest thing that have happened in the game. 

 

@Jack - should I have voted you and written "This is just a vote to get the game started"? Doesn´t work very well, right? Explaining myself too early isn´t very good in cases like this, mostly because there were no reason for picking you. Not that most people didn´t get it anyway. 

 

@Csarmi - I´m sorry to hear that. If you can´t play then ask to get replaced. 

[hazelkrs1]

Eh decided I might as well iso all the peeps in my null group. Here's Salami:

 

Hello.

 

 

I guess that depends on what you mean by teams?

 

 

Why, what's wrong?

 

 

Sorry for the horrible activity folks. Some major sh#t is happening in RL (several major problems actually) and I can't give the game any focus. I really don't know what to do... I'd hate to ask for a replacement.

 

Only gameplay post is when he commented on Tina's gamestarter thing. He isn't one to lie about RL however so eh. Doesn't mean he's town tho- he could be busy as scum or town. Anyways.

[hazelkrs1]

Interesting possible slip. How come you have Lenlo as town? 

 

I´m starting to get conserns about Jack and Lenlo because of their votes on me. I thought Jack was "playing along" to help me get the game starting but he still thinks my vote on him is the scummiest thing that have happened in the game. 

 

@Jack - should I have voted you and written "This is just a vote to get the game started"? Doesn´t work very well, right? Explaining myself too early isn´t very good in cases like this, mostly because there were no reason for picking you. Not that most people didn´t get it anyway. 

 

@Csarmi - I´m sorry to hear that. If you can´t play then ask to get replaced. 

 

I have Lenlo as town because of his tone. He has been playful at times, but also serious at the right times and has looked like he is trying to #solve. Also seemed willing to take an unpopular opinion earlier when others were fos'ing me, he said I seemed town at the time. He later took exception to my Csarmi vote if I'm not mistaken, but instead of using this to try and divert attention to me, he seemed like he was instead just checking his read on me.

 

I do want to go back and look at his reasoning on his vote on you, might make me see him differently.

 

I completely agree with the points you make against Jack. Def don't like him saying your vote on him is still the scummiest thing of the game, looks like scum reverting back to a previous point they made to try and look like they're still participating. Plus, if he truly felt that was still the scummiest thing of the game, why isn't he following up on it at all? Trying to pressure you more or convince others to vote you? He seems content to keep his vote parked on you the rest of the day.

[hazelkrs1]

Verbal's iso:

 

 

 

TEAM JACOB

 

 

Um, sure.

 

 

 

#YOLOHASHSWAG

 

Yo, CRUNK.

 

 

 

 

So, um Verbal, why is there no rep? 

 

Lazy admins?

 

 

 

 

 

So, um Verbal, why is there no rep? 

 

Lazy admins?

 

 

Boo 

 

 

I'm joking - it has been discussed.  Not happening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, um Verbal, why is there no rep? 

 

Lazy admins?

 

 

Boo 

 

 

I'm joking - it has been discussed.  Not happening.

 

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just play the game. 

 

 

Says the mod that sidetracked by asking about rep buttons....

 

 

 

 

 

#YOLOHASHSWAG

 

This guy knows what's up.

 

Yo everyone.

 

#Team Jacob all the way

 

 

#likebutton

 

 

 

 

Your all scum, all your teams suck.

 

*You're

 

 

 

 

Vote Verbal

 

For having a team.

 

Strong opening vote.  I like it.

 

 

 

 

 

How many teams are there?!!

I need to make an informed decision, guys.Please help me

There is:

1. Team Edward
2. Team Jacob
3. Team Guy who almost hit Bella with a car
4. Team this is all really stupid
5. Team Everyone Dies

If you are either Team Edward or Team Jacob, you are OBVIOUSLY SCUM. 

 

 

You really like your capslock key, don't you?

 

 

 

Does anybody?

 

 

 

So, no gameplay as of yet. Disappointing but par for the course for Verb so far. So he stays null.

[csarmi]

Meh.

 

Game has only 14 pages so far... I should be able to go through that many pages in the evening, right? Gonna give this a try.

[hazelkrs1]

Just reviewed Lenlo again.

 

His reasoning for voting you doesn't look that bad to me to be honest. Looks like an honest evaluation of what he saw at the time. More importantly he also followed up on his read well, has been asking others about you and stuff.

 

Still town on him.

[hazelkrs1]

^^^^ That was to Tina

[Niniel]

Okay. Might need to re-read as well. 

[hazelkrs1]

Dawn iso:

 

 

 

First post!

 

 

 

TEAM JACOB

TEAM EVERYONE DIES

 

 

 

Team Everyone Dies is a real team now. YES. 

 

 

Vote Everyone

 

 

(I don't think I'm allowed to do that, but whatever.)

 

 

Vote Despo

 

...because he is Team Jacob.

 

 

My team doesn't suck, it's TEAM EVERYONE DIES. That's the awesomest team ever. 

 

 

 

Also, Des is town.

 

Tina is rand to be town.

 

Cory is rand to be maf.

 

I am rand to be Perrin.

 

I had a fish named Perrin once.  He was a betta.  He got cold and didn't wake up last January 1.

*is confused by this post*

 

 

 

 

Also, Des is town.

 

Tina is rand to be town.

 

Cory is rand to be maf.

 

I am rand to be Perrin.

 

I had a fish named Perrin once.  He was a betta.  He got cold and didn't wake up last January 1.

Des can't be town. HE IS ON TEAM JACOB. 

 

That automatically makes him scum.

 

 

 

 

How many teams are there?!!

I need to make an informed decision, guys.Please help me

There is:

1. Team Edward
2. Team Jacob
3. Team Guy who almost hit Bella with a car
4. Team this is all really stupid
5. Team Everyone Dies

If you are either Team Edward or Team Jacob, you are OBVIOUSLY SCUM. 

 

 

 

*DOESN'T CARE AND CAPSLOCKS ANYWAY* 

 

CAPSLOCK MAKES ME SOUND LOUD AND POWERFUL LIKE THE GREAT LORD OF THE DARK

 

 

CAPSLOCKING IS WORTH THE PUNISHMENT

 

*flaps wings and clucks like a chicken*

 

 

Nobody does.

 

*flaps wings and clucks like a chicken*

 

 

*notices that more people have voted Despo*

 

Yes! Let's get that Team Jacob member put of here! 

 

*flaps wings and clucks like a chicken*

 

 

 

 

*notices that more people have voted Despo*

 

Yes! Let's get that Team Jacob member put of here! 

 

*flaps wings and clucks like a chicken*

 

You're about as helpful as your brother.

I'm not as annoyingly spammy, though.

 

 

 

 

Never seen that role here. 

 

About Dawn - not sure if she is new and not sure what to do or if she is just trying to avoid playing. 

Oh, I've played 2 games before - I'm just not getting any real scum reads on anyone, is all.

 

 

 

And in case you are wondering why I am clucking like a chicken - it's not because I'm immature. It's a punishment Leelou gave me for capslocking. (Oops, I forgot to put it on my last post - sorry!)

 

*flaps wings and clucks like a chicken*

 

 

So no, my role is not the "village idiot"

 

*flaps wings and clucks like a chicken*

 

 

 

 

Oh oops I thought Tina was on there cause they are tied closely in my reads. Thats what happens when you use your breaks from lab reports to do mafia. Dont do that kids.

 

It was you, Dawn and Darthe. I meant less the voting train though and more the attention cause we were focused on Des and Jack and now suddenly its moving to Csarmi.

 

I missed Dawn's vote - I haven't really read any of Dawn's post as serious Mafia bizness yet

 

GET @ ME

 

My vote was actually pretty silly. None of my posts have been that serious.

 

Besides, it is quite difficult to sound serious when you have to cluck like a chicken on every post you make.

 

*flaps wings and clucks like a chicken*

 

 

 

 

Would not lynch: Des, Tina, Dawn, Clov

WTL: Darthe

Prefer to lynch: Lenlo, Salami

 

If anybody else wants to play Mafia LMK, I'll be here

I'm glad you think so, but why are you so sure I am town? 

 

 

 

 

Mostly fluff, even tho she's been fairly active. Has referenced the "Team _____" thing 8-9 times. Almost no gameplay. The most incriminating post imo is her second to last one (right here) where she tries blaming her PR for not being serious most the game... even tho she was being silly and spammy and fluffy WAAAAAY before her PR was given.

 

I've seen Dawn play recently, and for a newb she's def not that bad. This doesn't look like newbie "I don't know what I'm doing" fluff. It looks like scum trying to hide in fluff and keep from having to seriously contribute anything.

[hazelkrs1]

Just reviewed my iso-

 

Yup, it's confirmed. I'm

 

 

(that's a clear warlock guitar there... I think yall see where I'm going with this )

 

as well as AWESOME

 

[hazelkrs1]

I can't leave work early and that makes me

 

#sleepy

[dicetosser1]

so ure a male witch???      nice of u to scumslip so well!

[hazelkrs1]

so ure a male witch???      nice of u to scumslip so well!

 

[hazelkrs1]

This isn't really relevant except for being completely relevant:

 

[Sedai]

@Des I love how you say Tina needs more attention, and that she would of got more if not for you being cased. I however continue to apply pressure and poke at her for get blatant scumminess yet she is lock clear for you. That's pretty gross.

 

Also, I'm not buddying darthe are clov. Just stating the obvious. In darthe's last game he was scum. He was playing very off the cuff now he's not. That's not a lot to go on but it is something. My own version of lock clear for now. :p

 

Never played with clov before but his posts seem well thought out. He's been posting reasonably but I would like him to expand on that statement you highlighted.

 

Dawn has played 3 games now and she doesn't draw undo suspicion to herself ergo I think she's playing decently for her experience level.

[Darthe]

I had hoped for more than this des. You once again have greatly exxadurated segments too see how people own up in reactions too them.