[Advanced] Dragonmount Witchhunt Mafia!!! Game over, Witches win!!!

[michellem]

Sorry for my abscense, my head is not in a good place and I'm wary of it bleeding into the game so I've been avoiding DM alot.

 

 

I just wanna clear up a thing... I named Verbal, Jack and Wombat. Because I thought (and still think) it was highly likely that the other two witches are among the very experienced group; Verbal, Jack, Wombat, Leelou, Alanna.. I didn't see play from Leelou or Alanna that pinged me. Wombat was included in my top three because I was worried he came out a bit too clean from D1. But rereading and watching the interactions between him and Dawn, I did not get the feeling they were on the same team. I thought I made my thought process there very clear. After looking over their interactions again, I decided to trust him.

[Alanna]

 

 

I don't really enjoy putting the kills into the hands of somebody that I don't know, but at least I'll know it comes from a townie.  I'm ok with a vig firing into the crowd vs the potential that the witches are leading the town right now.....

 

 

Still very on the fence here.

 

First of all because the majority of the player pool is town as well. We don't know who is the Verbal and he/she might be just as led by mafia as the town majority. 

 

With brings me to the fact that The Verbal is being pretty led already by Wombat who have already "decided" what he/she should do. 

 

I think you could be selling the Verbal short. There are quite a few players who don't seem to agree with Wombat, so unless you have some insight into the Verbal is, I don't know why you would assume the Verbal would do what Wombat thinks they should do.

[nervositee]

 

 

 

I don't really enjoy putting the kills into the hands of somebody that I don't know, but at least I'll know it comes from a townie.  I'm ok with a vig firing into the crowd vs the potential that the witches are leading the town right now.....

 

 

Still very on the fence here.

 

First of all because the majority of the player pool is town as well. We don't know who is the Verbal and he/she might be just as led by mafia as the town majority. 

 

With brings me to the fact that The Verbal is being pretty led already by Wombat who have already "decided" what he/she should do. 

 

I think you could be selling the Verbal short. There are quite a few players who don't seem to agree with Wombat, so unless you have some insight into the Verbal is, I don't know why you would assume the Verbal would do what Wombat thinks they should do.

 

 

Maybe not anymore. I was just surprised after Wombat "sold" his idea how many voted no lynch without adding anything of their own to it, seemingly just going along with it. Seems like it has changed to a bit more divided field. Which is why I'm still sceptical to leaving it to one player I have no idea who is to decide. Mafia is a team game, and I think the town majority is better informed to make this decision than a single unknown. Because while this unknown has towns best interest at heart, he or she is still just as uninformed as the rest of us.

 

Of course, we might all bold-vote who we want dead  and red-vote No Lynch and hope The Verb is a democratic person, but that is playing the set-up, which I'm not really interested in doing, both in the spirit of the game and out of respect to our moderators. 

 

Plus, in my opinion, the Last Gasp is a minor balancing mechanic in this game, overplaying it reads to me as nothing more than fear-mongering at this point. 

[nervositee]

I'm apparently not at my most eloquent right now. I think the point still came across. Except the "which is why I'm still sceptical" should be "But I'm still skeptical", but yeah. 

[WWWwombat]

I think Wombat is a witch. I think he was hoping to get the Verbal role out in the open.

 

I like how you didn't think this until I FoS'd you.

[WWWwombat]

Also, I don't get what Vos is trying to say about people sheeping me without adding thoughts.  Are we even reading the same game?  Almost no one has been agreeing with me on the No Lynch thing.  It's the main reason I have votes right now.  The only person who I saw agreeing with me was Alanna.

[nervositee]

Interesting.  With the Angel numbers as they are, I think we should let fake Verbal fire tonight.

 

 

Vote: No Lynch

 

 

I think I like Wombat's idea. I know I'm pretty useless at scumhunting without gaining any info from a lynch, so I definitely agree there. I don't think a lynch is in any way more advantageous than a Verb kill for us. I'd like to see what more people think before placing a vote.

 

(Wombat unvotes, votes Jack and then...)

 

Actually,

 

unvote

Vote No Lynch

 

We either use the Verbal role now, or we don't use it.  For all you people worried about giving the scum info about roles, this is the best time to use the Verbal role.  The only dead person who could possibly have been Verbal is Lenlo.  But Lenlo probably wasn't Verbal.  The odds are in our favor.  The longer we wait, the more the odds turn against us.  Furthermore, if we ever need to No Lynch near endgame, we will be glad we've already used the Verbal role because then we can NL without giving the scum role info as Verbal role will be neutered so they won't be able to tell if he's alive.

 

Up to here people were discussing and as Wombat said, not many agreed. Then suddenly

 

 

No lynch

 

I'd still be up for actually lynching Jack though. 

 

 

Vote No Lynch

 

 

have had some thoughts regarding this whole no lynch thing.

 

vote no lynch

 

 

vote no lynch

 

And last VC "no lynch" was in the lead with 5 votes, so if you only saw Alanna agreeing with you then no, we are apparently not reading the same game?

[WWWwombat]

Leelou hasn't been agreeing with me so much as she doesn't disagree imo.  Alanna straight up agreed.  Dice is weird and scummy but I suppose he did sheep me.  Hallia's vote was mainly a misguided attempt at consolidation I think.  So yeah, you can say that Dice and Hallia haven't really said much to justify their votes, but to say that of Alanna or Leelou is false.  Meanwhile, you, Pral, and Jack have been pushing against me more earnestly than anyone has agreed with me.

[nervositee]

Leelou hasn't been agreeing with me so much as she doesn't disagree imo.  Alanna straight up agreed.  Dice is weird and scummy but I suppose he did sheep me.  Hallia's vote was mainly a misguided attempt at consolidation I think.  So yeah, you can say that Dice and Hallia haven't really said much to justify their votes, but to say that of Alanna or Leelou is false.  Meanwhile, you, Pral, and Jack have been pushing against me more earnestly than anyone has agreed with me.

 

Meh, now you are twisting events. 

 

First of all you are twisting what I said. I said I was surprised at how many went for the no-lynch idea without giving any other thoughts, thus assuming they were following your example, as you brought it up, and said we should vote no lynch and The Verb should kill Jack. I never said everyone was hardcore-sheeping. I uttered my surprise at this. And that still stands. I never meant that the whole player pool was at your heels, but the sudden rush of short "no lynch"-votes made me wary. 

 

And second twist of events here is to compare the case on you in comparison with people agreeing with you. That is not a comparable equation. If you want to compare the case on you, the comparable here is your case on Jack, which is just as "earnest" (as you call it). 

[nervositee]

Also not sure why you are suddenly rushing to discredit the people agreeing with your plan?

[WWWwombat]

The only person who has cased me so far is Pralaya, and his case wasn't very good.  And I'm not "discrediting" anyone who agreed with my plan except Dice, whom you have discredited as well.

[WWWwombat]

And I'm not "twisting" anything.  My interpretation of your post is perfectly valid.

[WWWwombat]

Maybe not anymore. I was just surprised after Wombat "sold" his idea how many voted no lynch without adding anything of their own to it, seemingly just going along with it. Seems like it has changed to a bit more divided field. Which is why I'm still sceptical to leaving it to one player I have no idea who is to decide. Mafia is a team game, and I think the town majority is better informed to make this decision than a single unknown. Because while this unknown has towns best interest at heart, he or she is still just as uninformed as the rest of us.

 

Of course, we might all bold-vote who we want dead  and red-vote No Lynch and hope The Verb is a democratic person, but that is playing the set-up, which I'm not really interested in doing, both in the spirit of the game and out of respect to our moderators. 

 

Plus, in my opinion, the Last Gasp is a minor balancing mechanic in this game, overplaying it reads to me as nothing more than fear-mongering at this point. 

 

 

You imply that after I "sold" my idea, plenty of people immediately sheeped me.  That totally ignores that the whole time I was arguing for a no lynch, there were numerous people arguing against it, including people who later changed their minds.  You say that now the field is more divided, but the truth is, it was divided from the start.  Read the thread and you will see how many people were skeptical of my plan at first.  I think you are mainly voting me because I am town-leading and convincing people.  If you haven't seen townies do that before, then you haven't seen good townies.

[dicetosser1]

actually your FOs had nothing to do with it.

 

I think the whole no lynch thing was you trying to draw the verb role out.  Then you back flipped and want to lynch someone.

 

 

my reasons for agreeing to no lynch was to get a better read on you. I realized you could be a witch rolefishing and that as a witch you would  know Lenlos role and perhaps already know the Verb was dead. So little risk outting the other witches and you basically get a free kill.

 

It would also tell town if the verb was still alive but hopefully without saying WHO the verb was.

 

 

just in case unvote

[Alanna]

Unless I've misunderstood something, the witches shouldn't know Lenlo's role - they get to know the roles of the people they've killed. Lenlo was lynched.

[csarmi]

Dice was losing his patience. All talk and no play. Actions. Actions were decisive.

 

He made his decision and rammed into Wombat, pushing both of them through a closed window.

 

Dice has sacrificed himself to kill Wombat!

 

 

Yes, that confirms Dice as the Dapianoplay3r role.

 

 

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It is now night 3. Send your actions.

[csarmi]

Clarification added to the scene in spoilers. Despo will set a night deadline.

[hazelkrs1]

Night 3 deadline

[Leelou]

Um ok.

[Leelou]

Unless I've misunderstood something, the witches shouldn't know Lenlo's role - they get to know the roles of the people they've killed. Lenlo was lynched.

That's the answer I got when I asked for clarification.

[Verbal32]

Well then, so much for the multiquote I had to discuss some of Wombat's recent posts (the discussion with Vos).

 

I was going to say that I actually agreed with Vos there, and now I'm thinking it is a strong possibility Dice took out a witch.

[Pralaya]

The good thing about that is that we will have 3 town, 2 witch in Angel thread, in that case. 

[nervositee]

Unexpected twist. But I (obviously) agree with Verb that I think Dice took out a scum here. In that case it's just one left. 

 

I'm just dropping in after work now, will come in later and give my thoughts. 

[Verbal32]

The good thing about that is that we will have 3 town, 2 witch in Angel thread, in that case. 

 

You are going to cause me problems all game, btw.  If Wombat was scum, he'd have the same idea I immediately did when reading the mechanics -- sacrifice a witch to intentionally fail a soupkill on a "townie" who is actually a witch.

 

The witches won't kill you as they want me to keep believing this, and you're obviously going to not get lynched.  It will definitely drive me crazy over the course of this game.  Dammit.

[Pralaya]

Or you can just read this post where I show  how the gambit is improbable on Day 1