[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

[Sedai]

  On 4/1/2014 at 7:39 PM, Ithillian said:

OR ...

You distanced yourself ... Tried to help Ameg by giving him an out with his claim and then flipped your view from top three mafia to town after a rubbish reveal.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

And you'd rather I looked at AJ.

I don't care who you look at. But I did present quotes and asked your opinion specifically yet you keep refusing to give it and you keep spinning the situation.

 

I have explained the nuances and why I believed them.

[LilyElizabeth]

  On 4/1/2014 at 7:32 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 7:10 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 7:03 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 7:01 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Okay. All caught up. I'm thinking like Jack, that Corey is most likely mafia, due to his "belief" that SH were town. Plus he worked really hard to try to bring down an uncountered protective role - us. I'm sure that's where we'll vote come morning.

You think he's scum because he thought SH was town?

He did defend them a lot. Combine that with his push on us and all of Jack's reasons, and you have a pretty good scum picture.

Jack thought they were Town and defended them a lot too.

 

Does that mean you're Mafia?

 

This is rhetorical, right? Of course, Jack and I aren't mafia. But we'd say that either way, I'd think. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

I never refused.

 

You show me where I refused.

 

I distinctly remembereing wishing I wasn't so damn polite so I could refuse.

 

It's quarter to 9 and I've only just finished for the day. I did say I had shed loads to do.

 

I don't remember saying I'd take the 5th till I'd done it.

 

We don't have the 5th over here anyways.

[Sedai]

Lol fair enough. I'll await your thoughts at your earliest convenience. You just seemed to be trying to avoid giving em. :)

[Turin Turambar]

Jack, I was trying to say that if possible you could announce who you targeted like 1 minute before daybreak. I think the time is fixed. Not sure of what that time is for you tho. So might not be logistically realistic.

 

My misunderstanding on the killing aspect.

 

LOL at taking the fifth Ithi

[Cory Caboose]

  On 4/1/2014 at 7:03 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 7:01 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Okay. All caught up. I'm thinking like Jack, that Corey is most likely mafia, due to his "belief" that SH were town. Plus he worked really hard to try to bring down an uncountered protective role - us. I'm sure that's where we'll vote come morning.

You think he's scum because he thought SH was town?

 

 

Why do birds suddenly appear

Every time

You are near

[csarmi]

The mods would like to encourage everyone to give their notes, comments and all in their PM/QT - we're giving some of that out as a running commentary for the spectators. Also we're curious by nature.

[Cory Caboose]

Should I provide mock notes for what Monk is probably thinking up in his attic cage?

 

He's MONKING IN ACTION

 

monkmonkmonk

[Ithillian Turambar]

That's not really ever going to happen @ CSarmi. We're more likely to post stuff here in the Thread.

 

Sorry.

[Leelou]

  On 4/1/2014 at 6:39 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 5:57 PM, Jack_D said:

If I don't protect anyone who targets me will kill me but I take them down with me. Same as if someone targets someone I protect.

 

Turin what's your oppinion of AJ and straw hats interplay?

 

Hold up.  I'm missing something here.  Your role as bodyguard kills?  I totally missed that in your reveal....can you give me the scenarios cut & dry?

 

 

 

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 6:34 PM, Jack_D said:

As I'm positive scum is gunna leave us alive to attempt a lynch tomorrow our power is useless tonight.

 

Yikes.  I don't like this statement at all.  Gross.

 

 

We lynch them tomorrow. 

[Cory Caboose]

StrawSpew pages 1-22

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 4:12 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

.... ok, so i know i'm new, but where did this entire "#11 = scum" thing come from?

 

and, just so the Strawhats get at least one vote:

 

## VOTE EVIL SIBLINGS

 

name says enough for the moment. but i'll be watching you

 

Surprise! ES are scum, but let's see what else we can find.

 

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 4:26 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

nothing wrong with joke voting to get some reactions on D1...

 

See above comment. Not that anyone should be surprised.

 

Way too much of this "it's just a joke!" explanation types.

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 8:04 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

comes with the Hydra i guess, people always tend to disagree at one point. But this early? Makes me think they really are sisters (i have 3 daughters, and they're not always nice to eachother )

 

Lee/Tina snip at eachother early, and Thane soft-defends the two saying it's believable in an indirect way, which plays very well to the narrative Lee/Tina are trying to present. This should not be ignored, especially considering the Sexy Sisters crew got early heat and escaped unscathed and are now keeping an extremely low profile.

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 7:37 AM, amegakure said:

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 5:06 AM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 6:02 PM, Verbal32 said:

That isn't AtE, which is my point.  I'm not appealing to emotion.  Either way, this is distracting from our purpose.  You're scum and going for the easy lynch.  Problem solved.

Again with the "easy lynch" marlarkey. It is an appeal to emotion by saying that you are being unfairly voted because of a joke in the signup thread. But you got that kind wrong too  as you and despo are supposed to be day vigged and Cloud and Darthe are supposed to be lynched.  Which will certainly lead to Ithi and I being the N1 kill. 

 

If I am mafia then why aren't you voting for me(and Ithi)? You got a better lead elsewhere? Just waiting for someone else to start the train? 

 

 

this ^

 

Do you really think the swaghags are scum? it's day one and and you've already targeted the team des is on. Im just curious to know if your really taken this stance or your just that brash. 

 

@verbal either way it's still starting competeting trains of conflict. as we all know provides information.. so how is it distracting from what we should be ''doing''? 

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 10:39 PM, dapianoplay3r said:

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 10:33 PM, _CLOUD said:

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 10:31 PM, Leelou said:

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 10:10 PM, _CLOUD said:

Leelou why the vote on us?

 
Why not?

 
I thought as much. I wanted to know for certain though.

I feel like you think you've proven that this vote on you was meaningless and Voting you at this point is meaningless

You realise these posts you are making yourself a better vote right?

 

i dont think he does...

 

 

 

 

Amega townspews Des and Cloud here (Scum generally don't defend scum like the way Amega snipe-defended Des here, and he goads support of anti-Clarthe movement, which is generally not a scum-scum tactic because bussing is more deliberate and gives the accuser a chance to take credit afterwards), another support of Lee/Tina team is here as well.

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 12:52 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

## unvote Evil Siblings.

 

Time for the more serious scumhunting.

 

I'll be watching team WiFum and Yolo... one of you is scum, but i haven't figured out which one.... tending more towards WiFum for the moment.

 

Need to see more of teams HaXorz, J-Tag and CRUNK to make up my mind about them... neutral for the moment.

 

i get a scummy vibe off of Release The Leno.... 
 

 

will be reading and re-reading this weekend, little short on time past 24 hours.

 

So, Thane mentions six teams here. Says he's watching WiFum and Yolo (tries to play them against eachother and fails), later mentions he gets a scummy vibe off RTL separately. Worth noting.

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 6:20 PM, amegakure said:

i think lily might be on to something with swaghags and wifum being towny violence. Unfortunately turin and des will fall into their old ways again distract from actual scum hunting.

 

on the other hang #Vote RTE Nudges are bad kids. That goes to you as well thane. You being a bit new and all if your gonna call out have the players for being scum take a stance and vote one. how else do you expect to scumhunt. 

 

Interesting bit, support of ES declaring Swag/WIFUM town-town.

 

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 6:38 PM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 6:20 PM, amegakure said:

i think lily might be on to something with swaghags and wifum being towny violence. Unfortunately turin and des will fall into their old ways again distract from actual scum hunting.

 

on the other hang #Vote RTE Nudges are bad kids. That goes to you as well thane. You being a bit new and all if your gonna call out have the players for being scum take a stance and vote one. how else do you expect to scumhunt. 

 

This is odd combined with your partner's belief that one team or the other is mafia. If that is so then one of us would be actually looking for the mafia. Which would be actual scumhunting to use the phrase. 

 

You just moved up the list. 

 

 

Around this point WIFUM becomes lock clear.

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 7:05 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

ever felt like this recently, Lenlo?

 

Hate this sort of joke-y communication between players who aren't doing much actual work. RTE is a big question mark, and not a pretty one.

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 7:18 PM, Turin Turambar said:

## vote straw hats

 

They also involved in the "joke vote" back and forth with Lily/Jack earlier. could be classic distancing play. 

 

SH pressure actually dissapated a little before this post. WiFuM continually pushed SH throughout the phase in a way that scum don't generally distance. Was wrong here.

 

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 8:17 PM, Pralaya said:

So, the three top trains are two teams who are usually the most vocal in mafias and one team which consists of a newbie. I also see a lot of opportunistic voting that pushes these train without reason. I understand the case against Amega/Thane but the votes on Ithi/Turin and Verb/Des are quite suspect.

 

 Ithi/Turin and Verb/Des vote each other. Expected, based on the to and fro between them.

 

 

And, then there are 

 

 

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 10:05 PM, Andrej said:

##vote Verbothera

 

 

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 4:00 PM, Leelou said:

##Vote WiFuM

 

 

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 4:59 PM, corycurren said:

##Vote WiFum

 

#AllianceHashSwag

 

 

Three votes with no reason, no talk about the to-and-fro between the two teams. 

 

Leelou/Tina's vote especially stands out after the joke strife between them, which looked like a good way to mask the intent and pushed the train on Des' team under the pretext of joke strife. The change of vote to Turin's team did not  have any reason either.

 

Evil Sisters, Crunk and J-Tag are the biggest suspects for me.

 

##vote Evil Sisters

 

As WiFuM begin to build the case against Straw Hats, Pral ignores the SH case entirely and tries to focus negative attention elsewhere. Potential train derail here.

 

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 8:38 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Lily, I would think that you would have some opinion on Straw Hats (team #11). You were voting them if only because it was convenient. Jack had soem back and forth with them about you voting each other.  Also the thing with correcting Amega about using your name for Hallia's. 

  On 3/29/2014 at 12:52 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

## unvote Evil Siblings.

 

Time for the more serious scumhunting.

 

I'll be watching team WiFum and Yolo... one of you is scum, but i haven't figured out which one.... tending more towards WiFum for the moment.

 

will be reading and re-reading this weekend, little short on time past 24 hours.

here they unvote you guys and get to "serious scumhunting" lol. then nudge and promise a reread. LMAO

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 8:10 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

I don't agree with Jack that Hallia is scum, but then I never see her as scum, so I'm leaving our vote where it is and trusting my partner. 

 

I think there is something going on between Ithi/Turin and Despo that I'd like to investigate further. I think one or the other is scum, probably Despo. 

Do you find it odd that these lines are so similar? yet one on each side of the issue? 

 

Mafia tend to do this to not get linked too much together. Then you can just switch to the other train for consolidation. My only problem with this theory is it makes Verb/Despo not mafia. Oh well we will see what happens I guess.

 

Turin becomes absurdly more followable after the flip.

I apologize for baiting you :P

 

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 11:16 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

In case it went right by you, Ithi, I no longer think you're town. 

 

lulz

 

I mentioned the WIFUM/ES spat in my WoT, it happens around here.

 

Don't think WIFUM can be scum.

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 10:06 AM, amegakure said:

Ithi I've never played as mafia in a game with you.. Unless it was two years and I'm almost positive we didn't. So what makes you so sure of my meta?,

 

Amega townspews WIFUM, so continue that overall dialogue.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:34 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Personal thoughts so far:

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) and YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal): had the feeling something was going on between the two of them. Their little struggle ceased (for the moment) and now there's interaction between WiFum and Evil Siblings. Most active hydra around, questioning, probing, getting information.

 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) expect to see more when the weekend is done. Interesting posts to read.

J-TAG (AJ, TG): not enough to form an opinion, null read.

PFG (Pralaya, BFG): Not a huge amount of posts, but the ones i read seem to be well thought of.

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) lots of fun and games, but i'd like to have some real input for once. Backing Amega in the vote against them

Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou) Uncommented votes, absence? Not feeling too great about them. Waiting for a train to pass and jump on?

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) not around, and if, then unserious posting, lurking in the shadows? Didn't have a good explanation from them on their vote. Might as well be waiting on the same train.

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) not around enough to form an opinion, null read

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) Little drama in the beginning of the game, then things calmed down. Maybe also because of the weekend.

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) Had a little thing going on between them and myself. Gett he feeling it was more probing and questioning than anything else. Questioning, after all, is good.

 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) I'm not going to comment on my own hydra. Yes, you are. NO, i'm NOT! *drowns inner voices in belgian beer*

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) going for an easy lynch when voting against us i think.

 

Bolds feel very off to me, italics is more townspew.

 

Major suspect list ATM: ES, PFG, Sisters, RTL

[Ithillian Turambar]

So ... we're Town now?

 

 

 

I'm up to page 28 of a click through and I'm terribly bored.

 

This. Is. Not. How. I Play.

 

 

I'm getting to see everything again though so it's not all bad.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:20 PM, Ithillian said:

So ... we're Town now?

 

 

Hopefully you were town before too 

 

Thread knows all, I find it very very difficult to consider you two being scum considering your interactions with straw hats.

 

The heat on them dies out several times, but you are constantly there with the fire-poker stirring the ashes. There's a fine line between bussing and insistence, and Amega's interactions with you feel extremely scum-talking-to-town after the fact.

 

I'm allowed to be wrong Day 1 - I'm still quite sure ES is scum unless the next ~30 pages of my reread disagree

[Sedai]

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:24 PM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:20 PM, Ithillian said:

So ... we're Town now?

 

 

Hopefully you were town before too 

 

Thread knows all, I find it very very difficult to consider you two being scum considering your interactions with straw hats.

 

The heat on them dies out several times, but you are constantly there with the fire-poker stirring the ashes. There's a fine line between bussing and insistence, and Amega's interactions with you feel extremely scum-talking-to-town after the fact.

 

I'm allowed to be wrong Day 1 - I'm still quite sure ES is scum unless the next ~30 pages of my reread disagree

What about J-Tag much bigger Love affair between them and straw hats.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:25 PM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:24 PM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:20 PM, Ithillian said:

So ... we're Town now?

 

Hopefully you were town before too 

 

Thread knows all, I find it very very difficult to consider you two being scum considering your interactions with straw hats.

 

The heat on them dies out several times, but you are constantly there with the fire-poker stirring the ashes. There's a fine line between bussing and insistence, and Amega's interactions with you feel extremely scum-talking-to-town after the fact.

 

I'm allowed to be wrong Day 1 - I'm still quite sure ES is scum unless the next ~30 pages of my reread disagree

What about J-Tag much bigger Love affair between them and straw hats.

 

On 28, haven't seen anything worth noting about JTag in reflection to the strawhats flip ATM

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:24 PM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:20 PM, Ithillian said:

So ... we're Town now?

 

Hopefully you were town before too 

 

Thread knows all, I find it very very difficult to consider you two being scum considering your interactions with straw hats.

 

The heat on them dies out several times, but you are constantly there with the fire-poker stirring the ashes. There's a fine line between bussing and insistence, and Amega's interactions with you feel extremely scum-talking-to-town after the fact.

 

I'm allowed to be wrong Day 1 - I'm still quite sure ES is scum unless the next ~30 pages of my reread disagree

 

You were quite insistent that our play was total cow poo and wanted us Lynched. Are you being nice because I said you've cooked up a bus plot with Jack? I'm inclined not to trust you at all.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 3/30/2014 at 10:25 PM, Jack_D said:

There is a philosophy, I play by and lily does as well (she had to go out so I'm answering for her) we tend to not really read WoT's nothing against a player but unless it's directed at us find it's just mostly rehashing and clutter.

 

We prefer more of an active aggressive play where we post blow by blow instead of saving quotes and address all immediately versus formulating, because the way I find it. The way you read a post first go through and your initial reaction is your best. If you sit and go over and over you end up convincing yourself into bad reads and talking yourself out of spot on ones. Just a personal choice at play style, as you can verify in the physics game where we also skimmed most wot.

Why do you want me to read through a load of stuff to get a re-hash? You say here that it's a bad idea.

 

I think I'm tired.

 

I'm Town.

 

It's Night.

 

I'll play my own way and enjoy it rather than feeling like I'm doing homework.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm going to sleep.

 

Turin has the Conn.

[Sedai]

Corey

 

Notice the buddying and hats putting them at nul-town reads. I pulled a bunch of quotes a couple pages back

[Cory Caboose]

22-30 things get more interesting

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:48 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

*sigh* ok, i'll walk to my own cupboard then and steal my wife's chocolate. If i'm in trouble for that, i blame you Ithi...

 

 

Indeed, seeing we get voted as one, we should try to vote as one as well. Or maybe i'm just plain crazy to think like that....

 

 

*says Easy lynch, one more time...*

 

Turin, do you agree with me that Hallia/X are very, very likely town considering the way Thane spoke of them?

I honestly think there's nothing in the world more valuable to town than an inexperienced Mafioso getting lynched early - they say way more than they should and slip in subtle ways. I think Thane thoroughly spewed Hallia as town simply by saying something as innocuous ATM as "she is going for an easy lynch" - what do you think?

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 6:12 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Ok so I went through the thread twice thinking there were more read lists, but only 2. Let's see what we have here.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:34 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Personal thoughts so far:

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) and YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal): had the feeling something was going on between the two of them. Their little struggle ceased (for the moment) and now there's interaction between WiFum and Evil Siblings. Most active hydra around, questioning, probing, getting information.

 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) expect to see more when the weekend is done. Interesting posts to read.

J-TAG (AJ, TG): not enough to form an opinion, null read.

PFG (Pralaya, BFG): Not a huge amount of posts, but the ones i read seem to be well thought of.

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) lots of fun and games, but i'd like to have some real input for once. Backing Amega in the vote against them

Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou) Uncommented votes, absence? Not feeling too great about them. Waiting for a train to pass and jump on?

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) not around, and if, then unserious posting, lurking in the shadows? Didn't have a good explanation from them on their vote. Might as well be waiting on the same train.

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) not around enough to form an opinion, null read

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) Little drama in the beginning of the game, then things calmed down. Maybe also because of the weekend.

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) Had a little thing going on between them and myself. Gett he feeling it was more probing and questioning than anything else. Questioning, after all, is good.

 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) I'm not going to comment on my own hydra. Yes, you are. NO, i'm NOT! *drowns inner voices in belgian beer*

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) going for an easy lynch when voting against us i think.

 

So basically, Straw Hats think:

 

Town:

 

StawHats

PFG

 

Scum:

 

RTL

HaXorz

 

Null:

 

JTAG

Spliffanity

 

This is it. The rest are basically null reads as well, or he refrains from making any firm alignment-based comments on.

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 6:34 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Random thoughts on teams so far...

 

#swag:(verb/Des); verb reacted a bit much to my vote being the second on him. he was even kinda snippy at the MOD about the voting rules there. trying to flip it back on me is bogus. Despo has been talking a bunch of mess so far so without anything to aleviate the bad I am putting them in the mafia stack.

 

J-TAG(AJ/TG): been fairly quiet in a loud way. hope they bring some actual content soon.

 

PFG (Pral/BFG): All Fluff. Expect more soon. 

 

RTL (RTE/Lenlo): Lenlo being very mormal jokey self. RTE comments are a little pingy. starting with the game spec just before day started and ending with his reactions to Ithi questioning his nudge. Ithi thinks is likely mafia so I can agree, even if I rather vote Verb/Des ATM

 

SS (Tina/Leelou) : the vote back and forth between #swag and clarthe was odd. As is the fact that Leelou basically is not giving any reasons for her votes. People that don't want to give reasons have a reason for that. It makes it easier to backtrack from a position that was never really stated. Her defense of Verb/Des was completely for non-game reasons "they are so cute". It is basically a non-reason which seems to be a trend. Leaning mafia here ATM.

 

Crunk (Cory/Monk): Cory is following his #alliance theme that he used as 3rd party in the star wars game. Basically having given his vote to his buddies V/D. Bad look to me. Monk has been quiet for the most part only really engaging in saying hello to Lily that I recall. I expect more from someone calling themselves GOAT.(maybe it is in lurking)

 

Spliffanity (Krak/Dap): Don't really remember very much about them except they picked the wrong name, LOL. Oh, they were in the cloud pile on too. Did they vote Clarthe?

 

Clarthe (Darthe/CLoud): Darhte says Lily is mafia in his first post, never votes her. Also says verb is obvtown. rubbish. Has overridden Cloud's #swag vote to vote RTL.   Cloud has caught a bunch of heat for asking for a reason from Leelou for her vote on them. Lots of people taking that opportunity to pile on him. Seems more an issue of why Leelou not want to explain her reason for voting. If is no reason or was for reaction then say so and let people judge it for what it is worth. I do find it ironic that CLoud chose to call me frantic when that is a word that most would be applying to him for the way he is about Leelou. Personally I didn't see it that way which makes it perhaps even more ironic.

 

Evil Sibs (Jack/Lily) placeholder vote of #11 by Jack after Lily telegraphed it during night. Lily had something odd but I will need to go back and check. Jack playing very much like I just saw him in the hunger games? game I think. He did nudge very professionally tho so I will defer to Ithi's judgement there. 

 

Straw Hats (Amega/Thane) Amega pre voted #swag during night but never followed up with it. In fact he asked me a question about wether I really think they are mafia or if I was just brash. (the answer is both, lol) the double nudge post from Thane has me thinking that they could well be mafia and on a team with verb/des. bears very much further watching.

 

HaXorz (Hallia/X) : Not enough to go on. maybe once X gets back and if Hallia does get more involved. 

 

Mafia to town

Verb/Des

Tina/Leelou

Amega/Thane

RTE/Lenlo

Cory/Monk

Krak/Dap

Jack/Lily

AJ/TG

CLoud/Darthe

Hallia/X

BFG/Pral

Ithi/Turin

 

Town:

Himself with Ithi

 

Scum:

 

#Swag

RTL

SS

StrawHats

 

Null:

 

The rest?

 

So I was hoping to see a pattern here (and thought there was at least a third reads list, but not much of one. These will be interesting if we get a flip on either team though. While Turin refrains from saying he thinks anyone is town outright, he does provide the scum to town list.

 

Of the two lists, I do find Thane's less informative and much more fence-sitting in the language he is using. Also says he doesn't want to speak for Amega in an attempt to not further elaborate? As of yet hasn't answered Ithi's request to rank teams based on scummyness. I would be interested to see his list as his reads seem indecisive. Turin has less town reads it seems but looks confident about his scum reads. Problem is a lot of people haven't made enough game-content posts to make much of them, so can't really make too much of the numerous null reads.

 

So now I'll try to make a reads list, hopefully better than some of my recent ones, although this game has been a bit all over the place and gameplay has been interrupted quite a bit more than usual IMO.

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) - Very, very aggressive. Ithi is on her game while Turin is still on his "new meta". Seems he lets Ithi be Churchill the bulldog and he's more like.. France? Interesting dynamic between the two of them in terms of types of posting. Turin deferring to Ithi in some instances and if I had to guess she would be the one wearing the pants in this hydra. Ithi  playing her normal unforgiving game. Solid town read right now. Problem is if any team can have as solid a scum game as town game I would pick them with Despo/Verbal second. But right now I'm definitely going with Town.

 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) - A bit quiet as of late, which between the two of them is very odd. Not really making a splash yet really, which I really find bizarre given the two of them. Weekend has killed most activity but these two are usually fairly more vocal and strong with their convictions. So far looks town to me but not very sure about them. Both of them will likely give us a lot more to work with come tomorrow.

 

J-TAG (AJ, TG) - AJ has been pretty quiet and TG, while relatively active, hasn't given much of substance. Null read here.

 

PFG (Pralaya, BFG) - BFG is much quieter this game than in a recent one. I'll attribute it to the weekend but if it doesn't change I'll look here. Pral is usually more in the fray of things too but again pretty absent. Going with a null read here thus far but this is a hydra to watch.

 

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) - RTL are (is?) town.

 

Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou) - Feels like the ladies are buying time after some not so pretty play. I feel like the strategy here is "If we don't post long enough people will forget the things we did that look really scummy". Not fond of the voting then poofing. Scum lean on these two. Should expect a lot more from these two and so far they've been holding out. Their next posts will be very telling.

 

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) - These two confuse the hell out of me personally. Haven't played with either of them and can't make much of their posts. Don't remember anything  meaningful about their game thus far. Their bark is much bigger than their bite right now and if they are as great as they claim to be they need to put their money where their mouths are. Null read.

 

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) - Really oddly quiet given who these two people are. Come back to the light guys. Null. Really need to hear more from these  guys.

 

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) - I have trouble reading Cloud because Cloud plays a very reactive game. Caught a lot of flak for how he reacted to the vote against him but that is his usual attitude. That being said, he hasn't looked great since either. Darthe is Darthe. What you see is what you get. And that isn't much at all. Scum lean right now.

 

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) - Lily is another one I struggle with. She didn't react great to Ithi pressure but I wouldn't have reacted very differently to be honest. Not sure what to make of Jack. Supposed to be some mafia pro but haven't really seen it yet. If anything I think the interaction with Ithi and Turin makes Lily town. She was frustrated rather than angry, and that's understandable when you're town with Ithi breathing down your neck. I'm going with a town read.

 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) - Haven't liked Amega's play really thus far. Not a lot of content behind his posts or his votes. Thane has given us a lot more to work with. His list is a little less decisive than I would have liked but it's tough with activity being what it is the last couple of days. His somewhat exclusive town lean on

 

PFG is interesting. Something to bear in mind if we get a flip on either of them. Only other hydra other than their own they seemed to believe was town. Going with a null read right now.

 

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) - I trusted Hallia too much last game and won't make the same mistake. She has been playing as usual but I don't like the absences. I agree with Thane that her vote was a fairly easy one. Eager to have X back and see what he has to say. And for Hallia to get back in here.

 

Scum to Town

 

SS

Clarthe

#YOLO

Haxorz

J-Tag

PFG

Crunk

Spliffanity

Strawhats

EvilSiblings

WiFum

RTL

 

Latest Vote Count:

 

Vote Count - 1.04

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
 
CRUNK (1) - YoloHashSwag
YoloHashSwag (3) - Clarthe, WiFuM, J-TAG
Clarthe (3) - Spliffanity, Sexy Sisters, Evil Siblings
Evil Siblings (1) - Straw Hats
J-TAG (1) - RTL
 
not voting : PFG, HaXorz, CRUNK

 

I feel like a lot of these votes here have still been rather "easy" votes. Which is a bit worrisome as we approach deadline. We still have time though and most importantly a lot more time for people to come in and give their reads and support their votes.

 

##Vote SexySisters

 

Edit: Formatting

 

This is a real mixed bag for RTE, which has been sort of the theme. Can't really follow his line of thinking. The "if we get a flip" thing about Straw Hats (bolded) is brought up later and is somewhat out of place. Seems to care less about the group's alignment and more the conditions of their scum flip, which is not a great look.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:27 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:44 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:43 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

but.. i want chocolate...
 
And, true, i am indeed cautious. Personally, i'd like to discuss what Amega thinks to see if we're on the same line before giving out numbers and reads.

But these are YOUR thoughts and feelings.

Why would you need them checking?

You want to make sure all the numbers add up?

 

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:53 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

this would be a lot easier without the hydra thing....

 

*gets the feeling he is being trapped into making classic n00b mistakes*

 

oh.. and.. are you going to make a meme for everything?

 

 

Thane Vakarian is a sorry man, fights only to lose

Sells a thimble, quick and nimble, Chaelca turns him to booze

Thane oh Thane, his own hydras bane, found himself stuck to the roots

fell into Ithillians trap and now is left to this ruse

 

##Vote Thane

 

 

Darthe is hard to read. If Straw Hats were to start being bussed, it would be around vote ~4, and this was vote 3 on the train. Darthe may be being earnest here, but I can't say for certain. I might dream about this post - I will hope for divine intervention

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:34 PM, TinaHel said:

Leelou has problem getting on. Her internet isn´t working all the time. 

 

We had a short talk earlier. Our reads doesn´t match very good. Leelou´s vote on Wifom was based on Des´s case since she agreed with him. 

 

I´m very unsure about Wifum. Turin´s "case" on Verbal was very Des like. Taking anything and making up a case around it. And then never letting it go. It´s clear that Ithi and Turin misunderstood Lily but if it was on purpose or not I don´t know. That is the scummy parts. At the same time, Ithi is behaving like town Ithi. Not that I remember playing with mafia Ithi in a very long time but this is how she played in Darthe´s game. I thought that she might on to something with Straw Hats and Evil Siblings but... so yeh, can´t say town or mafia. 

 

I´m not fond of Straw Hat´s game. In short - following others, ,fencesitting, the Hally/Lily mix up. 

 

Actually, I find this hydra thing very hard. Not just because Leelou and I have different reads and that we haven´t been able to communicate much due to internet problems, but also because I can get different feelings from the different hydra heads. 

 

For now. 

 

 

## Vote Straw Hats

 

 

I´ll see what Leelou has to say when she gets back on. She is clearly the better player so I rely on her reads. 

 

Vote four, potential bus vote. Dislike the notion that Tina wants to leave up to Lee because she's "clearly the better player" - looks more of an excuse to back out. Scum seemed to have a plan to get SH out of this mess with a roleclaim, have to begin wondering when it was set in motion.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:43 PM, Ithillian said:

Extra re-inforcement lol.

Darthe definitely wants to vote the Hats.

RTE doesn't. Him say this about them 'Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) - Haven't liked Amega's play really thus far. Not a lot of content behind his posts or his votes. Thane has given us a lot more to work with. His list is a little less decisive than I would have liked but it's tough with activity being what it is the last couple of days. His somewhat exclusive town lean on PFG is interesting. Something to bear in mind if we get a flip on either of them. Only other hydra other than their own they seemed to believe was town. Going with a null read right now.'

Null. But thinks they'll get Lynched.


Doesn't want to take a stand lol. Doesn't want to be involved. Will probably vote them to consolidate near the end.

 

^ Let's see how this prediction turns out.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:58 PM, Chaelca said:

 

Vote Count - 1.10

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
 
YoloHashSwag (1) - J-TAG
Clarthe (1) - Spliffanity
Straw Hats (4) - Clarthe, HaXorz, WIFUM, SexySisters
WiFuM (2) - YoloHashSwag, CRUNK
HaXorz (1) - Evil Siblings
RTL (1) - Straw Hats
Sexy Sisters (2) - PFG, RTL
 
not voting : -

Deadline: Deadline-D1

 

 

We're at four, so this is now a real train. HaXorz and WIFUM in particular look good on this train.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:13 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

RTE's post was very fence sitting. I'll let Jack explain any thoughts he might want to share, but we both think RTE is scummy.

 

##voteRTL

 

Potential attempt to disrail train from ES, targetted at RTE.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:43 PM, amegakure said:

ithi is wrong. I make silly mistakes in almost every game that make me look like scum. The fact that you have no way of knowing my mafia meta since i havent been mafia since my dm return is troubling. Also camping on the thread over the weekend while my life keeps me occupied isnt exactly scum hunting. I reply to question when i have the time and or sobriety.. 

 

Also whats wrong with thane asking my opinion. didnt you just try to call us out for having differing opinions on teams. It's a never ending battle with you guys

 

des/verb seem distant not much swag coming from that direction but got a town lean.

 

Ithi/turin. Are aggravating but also more of the most active players.

 

Jack/lily havent seen much from these guys besides a response to wifum. seems like there isnt much conviction there. 

 

Clarthe. watching the show from the sidelines. 

 

rte got a scum read on them. 

 

pfg...null havent seen much play

 

leelou. is null as well. 

 

Bolds again, similar players. The read on Leelou in particular is alarming, as Amega ignores Tina (Leelou "clearly being the better player" in Tina's words), who just voted Amega.

 

Could very well be one of those accidentally-ignore-a-scummate-trying-to-towncred blusters.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:51 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:41 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:33 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I hate the "Vote now and explain later/let someone else explain/I can't explain my change of vote/I want someone else to do it/don't ask me questions plz" attitude.
 
Still think her interaction with you looked town but this didn't.

You're not really making sense right now.

You went from Town to Mafia in an instant. Lily did that yesterday too. Neither sit well with me - but maybe you just being reactionary?

What do you honestly think about Jack and Lily? If you think they Town then they voting you for what they think are legit reasons, right?

What do you think about Thane and thingummy really? Why do you think they are going to get Lynched - but have a null read on them?

 

 

That was reactionary. I'm fine with saying my Day 1 reads can change, especially they little they are based on. Some are more solid than others but like any read interactions will change them. I don't know what to think about Jack really. I don't know how he usually plays, but it appears it might be with a chip on his shoulder. He still hasn't come in and done any explaining like Lily said he would. I really dislike overconfident players unless their play backs it up (basically almost only Ishy).

People need to be held accountable for votes without explanation, especially if they are town because that hurts us more. I think based on the interaction with you Lily looked town. Therefore to me that balances out to a town read. Not the strongest town read in the world but a town read. If they are town then they should not only share their reasons for voting but their read of the hydras as well.

 

Saying I thought strawhats would be lynched is your interpretation of what I wrote. Everyone in this game can be lynched. Therefore it is possible we will have a flip on anyone. I said the fact that I believe in their reads they only gave a town read to PFG is interesting and that if we knew their alignment their reads list (and this one specifically) would be informative. That's why reads are important. I don't need to explain that to you.

 

I'm going on an fMRI course this week so I wanted to contribute today when I had a bit more time to go through the thread than I will for this week. I will still be around and expect to be active and contributing nonetheless.

 

 

Man, this reaction looks awful. Incredible over-explanation of a simple idea, assessing and promising activity, etc. etc.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:59 PM, Jack_D said:

Rte. you and Strawhats, and Hallia's team are my 1, 2 and 3 for scum

I can back my play and I usually do. Like I said your apparent over knowledge of me seemed like a slip.


Ithi commented that I nudged expertly. That would of been the only comment and how good I'd be as scum.

I don't see the apparent need for us to repost a list of players and what they've done that we find scummy or not. It's cliche and it's been done a bunch already. When I have something new to add or something I think I've figured out ill say it. But as of right now. Lily and myself have voted and we've given the reason behind the votes.

Your reactionary squirming was very reaffirming to me.

However I will ask you.

Hallia's comment about town vs town. How'd that read to you? I've been emphatic as to what my opinion was. I'd like to hear yours.

 

StrawHats as a scumread, does not really follow up in any way, wants to pursue Hallia (who is voting StrawHats). Combats RTE to some extent. A little overly deliberate, nothing that rules out scum-scum pushing.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 9:29 PM, Lenlo said:

 

p1&2 All the jokes.

 

p3 All the yolo. Tempted to lynch Des just for using that so much.

 

p4 More jokes

 

p5 turin votes Verb, Verb calls him out on going for an "easy lynch", Turin asks if Des knows Verb is using AtE. slight ping on Turin, as I dont think that was a well founded accusation of AtE and his reaction was bleh.

 

p6 Verb calls turin out for exactly what im talking about.

 

p7 Ithi does some subtle def of Turin, but that is expected as they are a team.

 

p8 More jokes. Tina uses the jokes as a way to hide a vote on Des/Verb. This would be the 3rd vote. Slight ping for that.

 

p9 more jokes. Lots of people ignoring what little has gone on, me included. :P

 

p10 Leelou changes Tina and hers vote to Clarthe for no reason. Joke vote? Doesnt respond with an actual reason for the vote when Cloud asks her why.

AJ votes Des/Verb for no reason as well though he got no heat for it, making them the new 3rd vote. Ping.

 

p11 ((summary)) Dap says Cloud got twitchy when voted and his reaction to Leelous vote makes him a better lynch target. Lily comes in and starts to subtly back up what Dap is saying. As does Jack. Not sure how I feel about this. I like Daps reaction/call out of Cloud and dont like Darthes later post.

 

p12 Turin asks Verb why he/Des arnt voting him if they think he is mafia. I switch my avatar to the manliest thing ever. Amega agrees with Daps reasoning on Cloud and his reactions and doesnt like Verbs reaction to Turin. Like turins reactions, staying calm and responding. Ithi calls Lily out on question Cloud about his concerns for votes but not Verbs. Double Standard? Ping.

 

Despo calls Ithi/Turin scum for turin trying to turn a joke vote into an actual scumread. This feels like town on town violence. Ithi says Cloud is being reasonable making him mafia and Cloud says he is always that way. Classic def as scum imo.

 

p13 Des is amusing with his WoTs. Still feel like Ithi v Des is town on town fighting. Ithi calls out RTE for nudging, which he was. BAD RTE! *Twap* Thane is getting a scummy vive off me/RTE and will be watching Ithi/Turin and Verb/Des yet votes Lily/Jack?

 

P14 Ithi calls Thane out for nudging and reread post. Like that. Cloud switchs to Thane. Going for an easy deflect of attention? Turin votes Verb/Des for Despos WoT. Still feels like town v town to me. Calls me and RTE baddies D:

I ask Turin why and he responds with RTEs posts on prev page which I twapped him for.

 

Halli comes in and votes Thane/Amega for his nudges then disappears again. Ping? Leelou votes Ithi/Turin with no reasoning. Jack makes a WoT basically calling out things that were called out before. Cloud shoves so much crap into a single post like this: 

 

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 4:21 PM, _CLOUD said:

 

I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary about RTE's play so far. Turin appears to be lost in his tunnel and is starting to look worse. I don't like how he first pointed out how scummy Thane was and then went back to disect an older post from Despo as if he for a moment forgot that he should actually be going after him. His most recent post reads frantic to me and Despo's humor seems to be lost on him. I like Hallia's vote, but I'm not a fan of Leelou's just because she refuses to explain anything again. Jack first agreeing with Dap and now slightly pushing against Krak is weird.

 

 

More pings. Feeling bad about Clarthe right now.

 

P15 lots of jokes.

 

p16 Amega agrees with Lily thinking that Ithi/Turin and Verb/Des is town on town violence but I dont remember lily saying anything of the sort. Ithi also calls him out on this. Trying to save a scummate? Then votes RTE/Me for RTE's nudges while not saying anything about thanes, his partner. Ping.

 

Turin gives a list of Reads. Seems to be tunneling on Verb/Des and I htink thats bad, but still think its town on town. Has a town read on BFG/Pral even though they have done NOTHING. Thane makes a WoT and Votes me/RTE without adding anything to the case at all. Bandwagon? Ping.

 

p17 Lots of jokes. Prals first real post of the game. I like it. Its a WoT. Votes Leelou/Tina. I like it.

 

p18 Lily looks to be doing alot of damage control and avoiding some question with questions of her own. She also nudges. Ping ping. she also thinks Des/Verb are scum whom I think are town.

 

p19 Lily finds Amega/Thane scummy. Distancing? Lily makes some ambiguous statements ((Thanks for the word Turin)) Dont like it. Jack pops in and does Damage control. Tina pops in for first time in awhile. Posts nothing of value.

 

p20 Turin/Ithi start asking alot of questions to people, most having to do with their opinions of me/RTE and my popping up for jokes. Thinks im lurking. Lily calls Ithi mafia. 

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 11:17 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

Jack's instincts are way better than mine, which is the only reason I'm not switching our vote.

 

Uses this as an excuse to not vote Ithi. Ping.

 

p21 More questions. More Rehashing. I respond with why im popping up. Promise a reread and post ((This! :D))

 

p21 Some jokes. Crappy list from Thane. Doesnt put a read on anything. ithi calls him cautios. 

 

p22 Turin/Ithi call thane out for his crappy list. More memes.

 

p23 Jokes

 

p24 RTE makes a WoT. I disagree with some of his reads. Agree with others. He votes Leelou/Tina for us. I am ok with that, they are on my scum list. Im not used to sharing a vote >.>

 

AJ leans town on Ithi/Turin and Darthe/Cloud. Buddying to power players? Darthe votes Thane. I like the vote but I dont like Darthe this game. Could be distancing as Thane doesnt have to much of a chance of being lynched atm, no train so its a safe vote. Also a safe spot to hide if we lynch Thane and he flips scum. null from that. Tina votes Amega/Thane. Darthe wants to lynch us.

 

p26 Ithi demands a legit post from me ((This work love?)) Or else she will make it a mission to lynch me. With pink rope. Lily trys to jump onto RTE/Me by mimicking others thoughts without anything of her own even though she trusts Jack intuition more than hers. ((Mentioned earlier can find if wanted.)) RTE posts silly things. Tempted to lynch him if his life wasnt tied to mine. Just stop talking mate. :P Amega uses the classic "But I always do this!" Defense. Still leaning scum on him.

 

 

Leaning scum:

Cloud/Darthe - Scum

Tina/Leelou - Scum

Thane/Amega - Scum

 

Null:

Jack/Lily - Could lean one way or the other. Like Jacks play but not Lilies. This is a unique situation for me to have to combine two reads like this.

Hallia/X - Not much to go one besides some weak posts.

Cory/Monk - No idea.

AJ/TG - Made some scummy posts earlier. Made some towny posts later. Kinda cancels each other out for now.

 

Leaning Town:

BFG/Pral - Post more! But what has been posted makes me lean town.

Dap/Krak - Like the cut of your jib.

Turin/Ithi - think town on town violence with Despo/Verb and like your scumhunting. Im also very bad at telling when Ithi is scum though so *shrug*

RTE/Lenlo - Me! :D

Verb/Des - town on town violence. 

 

 

##vote StrawHats ((Amega/Thane)) They have the highest train of people I think are scum.

 

 

I sort of love and sort of hate this post from Lenlo. Some valid points, some critical missteps... The mixed big getting bigger for RTL.

 

It's just sort of too much for me to handle. You're a piece of work, Lenlo

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 11:00 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 9:29 PM, Lenlo said:

 

Leaning scum:

Cloud/Darthe - Scum

Tina/Leelou - Scum

Thane/Amega - Scum

 

Null:

Jack/Lily - Could lean one way or the other. Like Jacks play but not Lilies. This is a unique situation for me to have to combine two reads like this.

Hallia/X - Not much to go one besides some weak posts.

Cory/Monk - No idea.

AJ/TG - Made some scummy posts earlier. Made some towny posts later. Kinda cancels each other out for now.

 

Leaning Town:

BFG/Pral - Post more! But what has been posted makes me lean town.

Dap/Krak - Like the cut of your jib.

Turin/Ithi - think town on town violence with Despo/Verb and like your scumhunting. Im also very bad at telling when Ithi is scum though so *shrug*

RTE/Lenlo - Me! :D

Verb/Des - town on town violence. 

 

 

##vote StrawHats ((Amega/Thane)) They have the highest train of people I think are scum.

 

Of his scum reads, I agree with Thane/Amega, but not the others.

As for the null reads, I'd put Hallia in the scum category and of course, Jack/me in the town category. 

Of the town reads, Ithi/Turin I read as scum, as I also do RTL.

 

 

I want to remember this post for the future.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 11:25 PM, Jack_D said:

Strawhats I back 100% as mafia read

Null read on yourself and Ithi. Your questions seem to be good and genuine if a little redundant.

Like I said I'm going to wait and see on Lenlo but his subtle defense of hash swag has my eyebrows raised and couple that with his teammates earlier stuff that's got me believing them to be scum.

Turin, why are you trying to get me to account only for Lenlo and not RTE, or them as a whole for their actions, yet you have no such stipulation on straw hats?

What are your thoughts on Lenlo's reads?

What's your thoughts on Hallia's town vs town fence sitting statement, and my opinion on it?

Would also like ithi's take

 

>.>

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:22 AM, Andrej said:

Confrontational Darthe is confrontational.

 

Still down for those dak pics? lol

 

I have a question for you Darthe. Could you explain your linking scenario a little more for me? You're voting Straw Hats, I believe... but also putting down RTE's reads post as a psy-scum tell.

 

Therefore you think Straw Hats is scum as well as RTL.

 

RTL is now voting Straw Hats.

 

Does this disrupt your scenario in any way?

 

How does me pointing out your statement towards RTE make me scum with Straw Hats (if they are scum) and RTL more likely to be town?

 

AJ/Darthe not scum-scum 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:36 AM, Andrej said:

The Ithurin/Lilack back and forth is a bit tiring. Leaning town for WiFuM, judgement reserved for the Evil Sibs. I always read Jack as scum in the two games I've played with him, and he was town in both. Don't wanna repeat that Call of Cthulhu game lol

 

I think Len redeemed his slot a bit with that catch-up post.

 

I don't find Amega/Thane overly scummy for any reason. Thane's post read more newbish to me, and I doubt he would be so freely joking around on thread if he had an internalized guilt. I actually liked Amega's post early on where he is pointing out Turin's instant scumread on Verbothera, which we can all expect as mandatory at this point.

 

Think Hallia's vote on Straw Hats was a bit scummy.

 

Clarthe is looking worse to me.

 

Not too sure about Krap (Spliffanity). I think Dap invests a little too much on reactions. Some players are more reactionary than others, it doesn't make them bad. I don't find it weird or suspect that Cloud asked for specific reasons since Leelou had put her vote on them multiple times.

 

Don't like how the #Yoloboys have dropped off the face of the game. Despo's entrance and early game buddying to Cory/Monk was pretty gross. Definitely not good vibes from their sort, I think they'll make the best lynch of all today.

 

Sort of suspect of the SS girls. Someone pointed out earlier (Jack maybe?) that their little dispute about who to vote allows them to play both sides of the fence. Leelou has reason for not being active but Tina's sniping post earlier gives me bad juju. I'd like to see more from her when/if she catches up and posts again.

 

Pral's game entrance gave me bad juju as well but I like how he is pushing the SS girls. He is usually an outlier when it comes to voting as town I have noticed, so I retract the early scum read. Would like to see more from BFG though, if she is town it will soon be apparent.

 

 Overall a very solid post - if there's anyone defending Thane that I can follow, it's AJ. I had similar thoughts on some things and disagree heavily on others, but one of the few posts this game that actually shows some sort of mindset. 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:42 AM, amegakure said:

 

what exactly is it about clarthe that bothers you. i dont have much of a history with him.. and the one game i did play he was just as mysterious as he is now. 

 

btw WIfum that was directed towards turin not ithi. since me not replying to ithi promptly was a scumtell for turin. surprise surpise. 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 9:16 PM, Ithillian said:

Oh yes. I never said anything about him not being about much. I wonder why he said that I did.

Not many people have been about much hence ---> le weekend, but I don't mind. I don't think I've ever called anyone out for inactivity cos you know - people all play different and that's cool.

It's even in my rules when I host the odd game.

Yup ... feel free to camp away. I'm not going to stop you.

 

 

Amega potentially townspewing Clarthe again here.

[Cory Caboose]

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:58 AM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:52 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 11:20 PM, Turin Turambar said:

partially answered before. I would still like to hear if you both think that Lenlo's reasoning is sound. Do you follow what he is basing his reads on. Or if you would do you think he is genuine on his beliefs or is he trying to sell something.

 

Lily currently has mafia reads on the following:

RTLenlo

Haxorz

WiFuM

Straw Hats 

 

Do you agree with those? I assume that you do agree with RTL and most likely HaXorz, how about WiFuM and Straw Hats?

 

Lily is voting a scumread along with her other scumread.

 

Curious.

 

Evil Sibs can slide to leaning scum.

 

Now, I find this interesting. It's not impossible that Strawhats could be bussing. I mean parking your vote on a teammate who has no (or one) other votes is a pretty safe thing for scum to do, wouldn't you say, AJ? 

 

 

ES is outed already IMHO, but if you were ignoring me read this post. Lily slips hard here; she knows Strawhats is scum, is thinking ahead to post-flip plans. I don't believe ES and RTL can be scum together.

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 1:12 AM, LilyElizabeth said:

Are you implying that that's what we did? It's not. 

 

I can't speak for Jack, but I'm willing to switch to StrawHats to consolidate after they've had a chance to speak. They are at L-2 now. 

 

This is deliberate, there's something being spun into action right now.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:33 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:24 PM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:20 PM, Ithillian said:

So ... we're Town now?

 

Hopefully you were town before too 

 

Thread knows all, I find it very very difficult to consider you two being scum considering your interactions with straw hats.

 

The heat on them dies out several times, but you are constantly there with the fire-poker stirring the ashes. There's a fine line between bussing and insistence, and Amega's interactions with you feel extremely scum-talking-to-town after the fact.

 

I'm allowed to be wrong Day 1 - I'm still quite sure ES is scum unless the next ~30 pages of my reread disagree

 

You were quite insistent that our play was total cow poo and wanted us Lynched. Are you being nice because I said you've cooked up a bus plot with Jack? I'm inclined not to trust you at all.

 

 

I don't care if you trust me, I care about lynching scum.

 

My reads are malleable - I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again. The point is to use what info you have to make the best reads possible.

For the most part, all of you seem to sit exclusively on Meta reads, so you are all extremely hard to follow in terms of thought process.

[Sedai]

So me saying the 100% as a mafia read etc only gets a >.> lol

[Lenlo]

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:57 PM, corycurren said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 9:29 PM, Lenlo said:

****My return WoT****

 

 

I sort of love and sort of hate this post from Lenlo. Some valid points, some critical missteps... The mixed big getting bigger for RTL.

 

It's just sort of too much for me to handle. You're a piece of work, Lenlo

 

I try. I really do. Sometimes.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:57 AM, amegakure said:

yep yep aj must be mafia.. who would want to stop a towny from being lynched... like omg guys

 

DESPOT, YOU ARE GOING TO FOS AJ

 

but posts likes these make me like him as a potential townspew

 

am i wrong?

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:59 AM, Jack_D said:

##Vote Ameg

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 3:13 AM, amegakure said:

im the tracker. slow your boat!

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 3:15 AM, Jack_D said:

##unvote

 

slow your boat

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 5:28 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:57 AM, amegakure said:

yep yep aj must be mafia.. who would want to stop a towny from being lynched... like omg guys

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:59 AM, Jack_D said:

##Vote Ameg

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 3:13 AM, amegakure said:

im the tracker. slow your boat!

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 3:15 AM, Jack_D said:

##unvote

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 3:15 AM, Jack_D said:

Night all.

 

I almost can't believe that Jack would do this.

Fakest interaction of the game.  No way in hell is Amega tracker.  Lynch anytime folks.

 

 

Basically.

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 5:29 AM, Turin Turambar said:

he might well be a tracker, just not likely a town tracker.

 

I still don't get this. 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 5:58 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 4:50 AM, Turin Turambar said:

What do you mean? that they are being voted for doing things that indicated  they were likely mafia.  Are you saying that mafia is all over their lynch? 

 

Why is it amusing? are you saying they are an easy lynch? 

 

Well you currently still have your vote parked on verbathera. Which was a no reason given vote. Who would you prefer to lynch and why?

 

After reading I think a lot of what's 'scummy' about StrawHats isn't actually very scummy at all.

 

Yes I do feel like they would be an easy lynch, which is why it is amusing. It's so very DMafia^TM if you know what I mean lol

 

My vote is parked there for a reason and I have explained myself about it recently when I caught up. I would be fine seeing them swing today, nothing has changed that. I felt their grand entrance was overdone and Despo's immediate buddying of his #alliancebros felt scummy. Verb pinged as well about being the easy lynch because of the sign-up thread carry over junk.

 

So they made a big splash, some heads turned and now they have both gone quiet. That doesn't sit well with me.

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 3:24 AM, csarmi said:

Vote Count - 1.11

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

YoloHashSwag (1) - J-TAG

Clarthe (1) - Spliffanity

Straw Hats (5) - Clarthe, HaXorz, WIFUM, SexySisters, RTL

WiFuM (2) - YoloHashSwag, CRUNK

RTL (1) - Straw Hats

Sexy Sisters (1) - PFG

 

not voting : Evil Siblings

 

Deadline: Deadline-D1

 

This is all that really matters.

 

StrawHats has claimed tracker, so do we lynch?

 

The truth will come out eventually and now that they've claimed they're stuck to it.

 

Looking from the POV that they are indeed town, I would vote Hallia or the SS girls from the current wagon for their participation around it. 

 

I'm leaning town on Ithurin and Leno. I know a lot of people find RTE scummy but I think he's usually under some fire every game, so there's that.

 

Clarthe intrigues me. 

 

I still like these AJ posts, I can follow them.

 

Despot bursts my bubble in a few tho.

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 6:00 AM, Andrej said:

And then I get ninja'd by a post like that.

 

Damnit Amega.

 

Hm.

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 6:41 AM, amegakure said:

lol im not sure what i did?

 

I don't typically see scum respond to scum like this, but ??? lolcory

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 8:04 AM, Despothera said:

Alright so first let me say well done, people. Outstanding activity lately, and this game is a literal goldmine for anyone looking for connections. Additionally, this hydra thing is kinda neat because at times I've seen a Hydra head come in to damage control after their other head flubbed or something, and this is a different situation than most are used to. So you get to see some things you might not see otherwise.

 

Just gonna pump a SOC out first since there's quite a lot I caught up on, and will then knock out a WOT after. Might do a whole reread in fact.

 

So Strawhats claim Tracker. Boy oh boy there's a lot that looks weird about how his claim came out. A couple have pointed out the oddness in Jack voting then unvoting, how it looks staged. Well add to that that Amega tried looking all righteous about not claiming at L-2, yet acts all scrambly and goes "Oh noes! Don't lynch the Tracker!" when he gets one more vote from Jack. What was he expecting? That instant flip in his tone and manner just does NOT mesh with a townie mindset. If Amega was gonna act all cool for school and not claim at L-2, I don't see him getting all panicky with his claim at L-1. Moar like "W/e guys, I'm the Tracker" would be expected.

 

There's actually a lot of other irregularities and pings from them (like Amega's recent reread posts are crap), but I for one would rather set them aside as practically confirmed scum and lynch elsewhere. I'll point out some of the other stuff in my wot.

 

Let's see what else... oh yeah IThuirlliiann is #LOCK CLEAR, whether they want to be or not hehe. Seriously, I just love having a mafia rival, because the best case scenario is that both me and Turin are town, and then scum see us going @ one another and are all "Lol, Turin and Des are tunneling on each other again, yay for us!" and then can't help but nudging the action on, or say that one of us seems like scum but not sure which (in an attempt to keep town distracted and set up mislynches). Seriously such a great way to fish for scum while reaction testing Turin at the same time.

 

##Unvote WiFuM

 

Clarthe aint LOCK CLEAR btw. Threw that out as a reaction test, and both failed. Also wanna point out how funny it is that Ithi calls Cloud out for not saying scum enough, then when he starts going "scum scum scum" in his next post she pats him on the head instead of fos'ing him for it. LAWLZ. I'll go more into that later.

 

So I thought RTL might be a good place for scum to be hiding, since they seemed to nudge a bit early on, and plus RTE threw out a big post that tried being good... but wasn't. The reads post I mean. Was bad. Rull bad. However, like the theme of this game apparently, Lenlo came in to damage control and posted a VURRRY townie-looking catchup post. They're looking town now to me. Gj Lenlofinger.

 

J-TAG stinks to me. TG doesn't have much content yet what little he has isn't good at all, and he's usually pretty vocal as town. AJ is a mess. Normally I find that when he's town he thinks very similarly to how I think as town, catches some of the same stuff and has the same opinion on stuff. This game that's not happening at all. I find myself disagreeing with almost everything he says. As far as his vote on me, it's turrrrrrrrible. It's literally one of the weakest pushes in the game, yet he acts like he has very strong scum reads.... If that's the case why isn't he pushing his case on us harder? Why isn't he quoting us or pressuring us himself? Nope, his vote was little more than a snipe vote when he first placed it and he has left his vote parked there even tho Verbal and I haven't been active and there's a LOT of other stuff going on. Then you get his whole defense of Strawhats... yeesh. Steerrong scum read on J-TAG.

 

Lastly I wanna talk about the Evil Sibs. First I wanna say I am actually somewhat tempted to policy lynch them for not reading wots. Thing is, I understand the whole personal preference thing. But that only makes sense for why they themselves wouldn't post wot's, it doesn't explain why they wouldn't read them. Any answer for why they don't read them besides pure laziness is just wrong. When someone gives you a wot to peruse, they're giving you more chances to catch them possibly if they're scum. You can catch little inconsistencies here or there, or note where their reaction to something major is muted and buried between other fluff in a wot or something. Straight up not reading wot's is just antitown behavior, period. If you're not gonna read posts because they're too long than you're essentially saying you don't care that much to try and find scum. Moreover look at both of their reactions after others reacted to them not reading wots. Jack skims the wot and links Lenlo to me and Verb, and this is almost all that he gathers, that Lenlo is apparently defending us a lot. This blatantly ignores the fact that Lenlo called Turin and Ithi town as much or perhaps even more than he called me and Verb town. Selectively picking stuff out of a wot to try and fos someone for is a blatantly scummy move.

 

Lily otoh, says she doesn't read wots. Okay. Then Turin asks both Lily and Jack to see if Lenlo's reasoning makes sense, which is essentially just imploring them to read the post. Lily reacts extremely defensively, saying "How would I know if his reasoning is bad if I didn't read his post?" which is just a bizarre reaction, and not one I see any townie having really. Even someone that's lazy and doesn't wanna read will prob go "Bleh, fine I'll go read it and tell you what I think" or mebbe if they're feeling obstinate might say "Nope, not reading it" but to get defensive like Lily did? Nuh uh. I also thought Ithi had a good catch much earlier with the part about Lily saying she thought something was going on between us (us being WiFuM and YOLOHASHSWAG) which I agree, DOES imply collusion. Lily pretty much just tried retreating as fast as she could from that whole discussion. Incidentally, her original "Something looks like it's going on between them, not sure which is scum" is EXACTLY the kind of post I was referring to before, when scum are happy to nudge me and Turin @ one another more.

 

Lastly Lily has had some strange flip flops. I distinctly remember her way earlier in the thread defending Strawhats, yet she then starts saying they're scummy and even says she'd be willing to vote them while they are at L-2 because Amega had already had a chance to talk. So first of all what she was proposing would have been antitown, it would have been a semirushed lynch when there's still time on the clock to milk for this day. Second, why talk all tough? Why not just place the vote instead? It's because she was trying to build up the appearance that she def wanted them lynched. Looks like distancing to me. Another flip flop I noticed was that Lily earlier said she thought YOLOHASHSWAG seemed like scum, yet even tho Verb and I hadn't posted in a while, recently when commenting on Lenlo's reads she says she disagrees with his read on WiFuM and thinks they're scum. She doesn't comment on the town read Lenlo had on us. Wonder why that is...... oh yeah cause Lily is scum and can't keep her "reads" in order lol.

 

Okay, my consciousness is streamed out. Gonna shake twice and zip up my noggin before going back through to peruse everything. Ttfn!

 

 

Add his two quote-WoTs and you'll see the game's MVP frontrunner.

 

I said you were wrong about a few things at some point, maybe I'm wrong about AJ ATM. :shiver:

 

lolcory

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 8:08 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

Sorry to disappoint Des; it's just little ol' me posting.

 

Hallia, could you clarify your vote against the Straw Hats?

 

Also, Tina/Leelou. You state that you're not fond of our game, vote us and mention inthe same post that your reads don't match. Before voting someone, i want to make sure that my hydra andme agree before making a move. Besides following Darth's train against us, and saying what's already been said before (and more or less explained by me), do you really have a read or just a hunch? Leelou's uncommented votes already did not work in your favor.

 

Darthe: you voted against us, even though you feel like RTL has a scum read on them as well. Are you just taking advantage of already having more votes against us (which, imo scum would do) or would you go for the best scumread you have. Got the feel that you're more feeling scum for RTLthan us... but don't change your vote. Wish to kill off as many as possible? Like Ithi stated, you set up future lynches, maybe on behalf of your mafia team?

 

Turin: i find iy cute that you still mention the OMGUS vote from the start. Holding on to every straw to keep votes against us, ey?

 

Lenlo: your vote against Straw Hats, only based on the train going on. What's your own input on this? i'm curious ifyou're not trying to turn attention away from other players

 

If one of the main reasons for voting Straw Hats is fence sitting, nudging and making mistakes, i'd suggest one takes a closer look on other teams who do similar things but seem to be able to get away with it. Monkey see, monkey do... but monkey hides and stays silent.

 

And, nice to read your post Des, looking forward to reading more from you (and others) the next days.

 

Think this looks sort of better for Sexy Sisters, this doesn't seem like scum-scum banter.

In my original readthrough I misread how cooked Thane/Amega was for sure.

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 8:28 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

agreed, the vote/claim/unvote thing will never work in our favor, but thanks for the feedback

 

>.>

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:14 PM, Leelou said:

Okay, going through the thread...all I'm going to say is ugh. My internet keeps going out and Tina has a family issue. Due to this, we really haven't been able to talk much, but from what I can see, yes some of our reads vary. 

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) - I don't like the way Turin stayed on Verbal for as long as he did. He also misrepped Verbal some, I didn't see any AtE from Verbal. I did see a whole bunch of buzz words from Turin and I wasn't liking the feel from some of Ithi's posts. I'm still not really sure how I feel about them, but Tina is getting a town vibe. 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) - Verbal seems to be playing for the lulz and I've liked Des's posts so far. I'm getting a townish vibe and Tina is null. 

J-TAG (AJ, TG) - AJ tried to slow down the Straw Hats lynch, TG seemed to be a bit on the opposite spectrum, getting a null feel from them right now until I see some flips on the players they feel different about. 

PFG (Pralaya, BFG) - We both agree Pral's hunting and posts are coming off townish

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) - I have a problem reading RTE, I almost always find him scummy. Len's recap post was kinda meh. 

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) - Who? Not much game play from them. Null 

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) - Didn't really like the way Dap tried to make more out of Cloud's reactions to being voted over and over again. Null 

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) - I'm actually getting a townish read from Cloud's reactions to being voted by me, we both feel like Clarthe is townish 

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) - Jack is definitely the stronger of the pair. We both feel that Jack has had to come in behind Lily to clean up or clarify reads more. I'm watching them right now, there is a slight scum feel coming off of them. I can see where people are saying the reveal from the straw hats seems staged coming from your vote and then Straw hats revealing. 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) - I was getting mostly a newbie/not strong player vibe from this team. They have revealed tracker, but it is leaving a dirty taste in your mouth. Their reveal went - na na, poo poo, we aren't revealing at L-2...oh we are at L-1??? OMG GUYZ WE ARE TRACKER,WHY U VOTING US? Not sure I buy their claim as town tracker. Up until this point I was getting the newbie/not strong player townieness, but now it could just be a botched attempt to save one's self. I actually want to leave our vote here. 

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) - Bueller? 

 

I don't even know. Someone who knows Leelou better please tell me if this is usual 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:31 PM, Hallia said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 11:25 PM, Jack_D said:

Strawhats I back 100% as mafia read

 

Null read on yourself and Ithi. Your questions seem to be good and genuine if a little redundant.

 

Like I said I'm going to wait and see on Lenlo but his subtle defense of hash swag has my eyebrows raised and couple that with his teammates earlier stuff that's got me believing them to be scum.

 

Turin, why are you trying to get me to account only for Lenlo and not RTE, or them as a whole for their actions, yet you have no such stipulation on straw hats?

 

What are your thoughts on Lenlo's reads?

 

What's your thoughts on Hallia's town vs town fence sitting statement, and my opinion on it?

 

Would also like ithi's take

 

 

Considering you see Straw Hats as mafia, and I was one of the first to really vote/go after them, it seems strange that you're also so sure that I'm mafia.  And also, what fence sitting?  There is no fence, I think they're both town.  Not sure how that's me stating I'm not sure one way or the other, I'm pretty sure that's me giving a definitive answer.  (Doing my best by myself, yesterday was a busy day and I dunno when my partner is coming back)

 

 

Hallia, totes town.

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:58 PM, Despothera said:

Conclusion: Purdy strong scumreads on Strawhats, Evil Siblings, and J-TAG.

 

Town reads on WiFuM, RTL, Sexy Sistahs, HaXorZ.

 

Juries still out on Clarthe, Spliffanity, PFG, and Crunk. Prob feel best about PFG and Clarthe out of that crew, but meh.

 

I'm thinking now that we got a claim out of Thane/Amega, we set him aside since he's tied to the claim anyways. His days are numbered if he's scum, which I still think he is.

 

Since we still got a lot of time, Imma go with ##Vote Evil Sibs.

 

Ugh. I feel dirty. Usually I like to be taken out to dinner before I get reamed.