[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/2/2014 at 3:14 PM, corycurren said:

Thing that really locks me clear on Clarthe is his reaction to the Jack/Amega exchange that was somehow genuine.

 

Clarthe points how fake it is on both sides - which it seemed to almost everyone ATM - and uses that to try and bury SH rather than to try and make a case on ES, which would have had credence. With both flips known... This is sorta a big deal :D

 

Killing ES was a major mistake by the Maf, which makes me wonder of the killer got redirected or something of that nature. ES would have been a major distraction today and probably a mislynch, and bodyguards aren't super PRs the way doctors are.

 

Mafia didn't NK ES

 

Pretty much confirmed that they didn't incidentally, since ES flipped as a powered BG of some kind. Had mafia targeted them with the NK, most likely they would have died along with them.

 

ES prob just wisely chose who mafia was gonna NK. I'm thinking they went for WiFuM imo. Notice how J-TAG didn't really put out any posts mentioning or responding to Ithi or Turin? They prob thought they were gonna be dead soon.

 

Pretty sure they didn't try targeting us

 

But yeah, Clarthe is close to (or wait mebbe already is on mah list ) LOCK CLEAR

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/2/2014 at 3:20 PM, Leelou said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 3:09 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 3:03 PM, Leelou said:

BTW, this man

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 2:31 PM, Verbal32 said:

Tina/Leelou - they look really town based on interaction with SH yesterday, and also the general tone I'm getting from Leelou.  I'm reading her as town right now.

 

can read me like a book. 

 

 

I've gotten kinda good at reading you as well....

 

 

 

Sometimes. I have a very hard time fooling Verbal though. 

 

 

'member when I always used to vote you at the start of most games, to feel you out?

 

 

You got too good at knowing how to react tho, so I had to pick up more subtle town and scumtells from you

 

[Cory Caboose]

I don't know who ES would have targetted other than WiFuM, who are basically confirmed inno in my book.

 

I didn't see anything in the flavor that seemed like a BG protect, but CS does say they are JUST flavor, so perhaps we don't get to know if the BG died protecting someone.

[hazelkrs1]

At first there wasn't even a scene

 

Just sayin

 

Cory, I am disappoint that u no post more gifs or spideys

 

[hazelkrs1]

[Cory Caboose]

Posting gifs from a phone is sooooo hard

 

I'll pm you some pics tho ;)

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/2/2014 at 3:41 PM, corycurren said:

Posting gifs from a phone is sooooo hard

 

I'll pm you some pics tho ;)

 

[Andrej]

##vote PFG

 

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:12 PM, corycurren said:

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 8:04 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

comes with the Hydra i guess, people always tend to disagree at one point. But this early? Makes me think they really are sisters (i have 3 daughters, and they're not always nice to eachother  )

 

Lee/Tina snip at eachother early, and Thane soft-defends the two saying it's believable in an indirect way, which plays very well to the narrative Lee/Tina are trying to present. This should not be ignored, especially considering the Sexy Sisters crew got early heat and escaped unscathed and are now keeping an extremely low profile.

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 8:17 PM, Pralaya said:

So, the three top trains are two teams who are usually the most vocal in mafias and one team which consists of a newbie. I also see a lot of opportunistic voting that pushes these train without reason. I understand the case against Amega/Thane but the votes on Ithi/Turin and Verb/Des are quite suspect.

 

 Ithi/Turin and Verb/Des vote each other. Expected, based on the to and fro between them.

 

And, then there are 

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 10:05 PM, Andrej said:

##vote Verbothera

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 4:00 PM, Leelou said:

##Vote WiFuM

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 4:59 PM, corycurren said:

##Vote WiFum

#AllianceHashSwag

 

Three votes with no reason, no talk about the to-and-fro between the two teams. 

 

Leelou/Tina's vote especially stands out after the joke strife between them, which looked like a good way to mask the intent and pushed the train on Des' team under the pretext of joke strife. The change of vote to Turin's team did not  have any reason either.

 

Evil Sisters, Crunk and J-Tag are the biggest suspects for me.

 

##vote Evil Sisters

 

As WiFuM begin to build the case against Straw Hats, Pral ignores the SH case entirely and tries to focus negative attention elsewhere. Potential train derail here.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:34 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Personal thoughts so far:

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) and YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal): had the feeling something was going on between the two of them. Their little struggle ceased (for the moment) and now there's interaction between WiFum and Evil Siblings. Most active hydra around, questioning, probing, getting information.

 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) expect to see more when the weekend is done. Interesting posts to read.

J-TAG (AJ, TG): not enough to form an opinion, null read.

PFG (Pralaya, BFG): Not a huge amount of posts, but the ones i read seem to be well thought of.

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) lots of fun and games, but i'd like to have some real input for once. Backing Amega in the vote against them

Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou) Uncommented votes, absence? Not feeling too great about them. Waiting for a train to pass and jump on?

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) not around, and if, then unserious posting, lurking in the shadows? Didn't have a good explanation from them on their vote. Might as well be waiting on the same train.

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) not around enough to form an opinion, null read

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) Little drama in the beginning of the game, then things calmed down. Maybe also because of the weekend.

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) Had a little thing going on between them and myself. Gett he feeling it was more probing and questioning than anything else. Questioning, after all, is good.

 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) I'm not going to comment on my own hydra. Yes, you are. NO, i'm NOT! *drowns inner voices in belgian beer*

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) going for an easy lynch when voting against us i think.

 

Bolds feel very off to me, italics is more townspew.

 

Major suspect list ATM: ES, PFG, Sisters, RTL

 

These 3 posts are probably some of the best of the game. I'll need to go back and grab a few more quotes, but if you look at the reads list Amega and Thane wrote up separately it should be evident that my team is town. We were listed all null early on by Thane, but once I came in to defend him I was suddenly a solid town read. Later Amega makes his "yes, must be scum because who tries to stop a town lynch omg" comment around the same actions lol.

 

Turns out I was wrong about Thane, just like how a lot of you (including myself) were wrong about Jack. It happens. Yes I defended and questioned a wagon on confscum but it is what it is. I explained myself at the time, attempted to make my thought process transparent, and looked for other avenues. Somebody mentioned earlier (Turin maybe?) that I ended D1 without a vote. This isn't true. My vote was placed on Evil Sibs, or should have been anyway, so if it wasn't counted then that isn't my fault.

 

My reads have been pretty off this game for the most part, I think. I've been sort of detached and busy so it's been hard for me to keep up, and having to read through the game instead of playing it real time makes my brain process less organic But anyway, here's what I've got:

 

Town to Scum:

CRUNK

WiFuM

Spliff

Clarthe

HaXorz

Yolo

RTL

SS

PFG

 

I think if we lynch from the bottom up we will do well. Top 3 are all but conf-town IMO. Pral (of PFG's) opener didn't really sit well with me but I felt like he was making well Constructed arguments early on which gave me a town lean On him. Also of note, as Pointed out above, he did avoid the SH wagon and was on the last to join it (pot-meet-kettle, right?). SS girls continue to move up and down the spectrum for me. Sometimes I think they look pretty town, other times I think they look pretty scummy. Leelou gives me a rather bloodthirsty vibe in her more recent posts where she says Evil Sibs would've been today's lynch and then very happily joined the J-TAG wagon. TG and I are Called-Out-Promptly for my interaction around the StrawHats wagon which I can understand and accept, but our lynch won't achieve much good for Town.

 

For now I think PFG is the best wagon. As far as who that 3rd slot would be I'm still pretty unsure.

[Leelou]

Joined the J-TAG wagon?...lol ok. 

[Andrej]

Joined/started... meh.

 

These were what I'm talking about when it comes to you seeming like you'd be happy going for anyone.

 

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 4:32 PM, Leelou said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 4:27 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

So CRUNK, Evil Siblings, Straw Hats scum team?

Sounds good.

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 4:33 PM, Leelou said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 4:32 PM, Leelou said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 4:27 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

So CRUNK, Evil Siblings, Straw Hats scum team?

Sounds good.

Throw PFG in the mix too.

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 8:50 PM, Leelou said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 6:39 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 5:57 PM, Jack_D said:

If I don't protect anyone who targets me will kill me but I take them down with me. Same as if someone targets someone I protect.

Turin what's your oppinion of AJ and straw hats interplay?

 

Hold up.  I'm missing something here.  Your role as bodyguard kills?  I totally missed that in your reveal....can you give me the scenarios cut & dry?

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 6:34 PM, Jack_D said:

As I'm positive scum is gunna leave us alive to attempt a lynch tomorrow our power is useless tonight.

 

Yikes.  I don't like this statement at all.  Gross.

 

We lynch them tomorrow. 

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 1:51 PM, Leelou said:

##vote J-Tag

 

AJ really tried to slow down the SH lynch and tried to divert attention elsewhere once SH came under a lot of scrutiny. I also didn't agree with TG's reads post. 

[Niniel]

I´m just going to agree with Leelou. I don´t think TG reacted very well to those votes. 

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/2/2014 at 4:00 PM, Andrej said:

##vote PFG

 

#DAT DISTANCE ATTEMPT

 

LAWLZ

 

[_CLOUD]

  On 4/2/2014 at 4:00 PM, Andrej said:

I think if we lynch from the bottom up we will do well. Top 3 are all but conf-town IMO. Pral (of PFG's) opener didn't really sit well with me but I felt like he was making well Constructed arguments early on which gave me a town lean On him. Also of note, as Pointed out above, he did avoid the SH wagon and was on the last to join it (pot-meet-kettle, right?). SS girls continue to move up and down the spectrum for me. Sometimes I think they look pretty town, other times I think they look pretty scummy. Leelou gives me a rather bloodthirsty vibe in her more recent posts where she says Evil Sibs would've been today's lynch and then very happily joined the J-TAG wagon. TG and I are Called-Out-Promptly for my interaction around the StrawHats wagon which I can understand and accept, but our lynch won't achieve much good for Town.

 

For now I think PFG is the best wagon. As far as who that 3rd slot would be I'm still pretty unsure.

This post is such a big pile of hogwash. Your main scum read is PFG because he was avoiding the SH wagon but you were doing the exact same thing so why should he be lynched and not you? You admit that he was making well constructed arguments but you dimiss this in favor of your scum read from his opening post. You are reading SS as scum because of a "bloodthirsty" vibe that you got from them after reading their latest posts when they voted for you. This sounds more like an OMGUS reaction than anything else. You ending your post with a classic fearmongering statement "our lynch won't do much good for town" is the cherry on top.

 

 

I'm reading Cory, Verb/Des, Ithi/Turin and Hally as town. Verb seems to be pretty sure about Leelou being town and I don't like the way AJ went after her so I'm starting to lean town on her. I'm feeling good about a J-TAG lynch.

 

 

##vote J-TAG

[hazelkrs1]

Hmmm...

 

##Vote PFG

[Leelou]

At that point, the ES looked bad. I was ready to at least vote them come morning from their play around the claim and lynch. They died and turned up what they claimed. You are blowing my posts right after a scum lynch out of proportion. 

[Leelou]

That was to AJ - internet speeds = fail 

[Lenlo]

Alright im liking the J-TAG train, I really am, but we need to slow down for a second. This train built pretty fast and id like to use as much of the day as we can.

[csarmi]

Votecount 2.02

 

J-TAG (3) - Sexy Sisters, CRUNK, Clarthe

PFG (2) - J-TAG, Yolo

 

Not voting: everyone else

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline-D2

[_CLOUD]

I just went over TG's posts from this Day and next to voting for Spliff without giving any kind of explanation he was only defending himself. I would have expected him to do some serious scumhunting if he were town. His vote on Spliff is also in stark contrast to the opinion of his Hydra partner who reads them as town.

[Cory Caboose]

##Vote PFG

 

POE says remaining wolves in JTAG, RTE, PFG and SS. Outside chance of Spliff. Think Thane legitimately slipped SS as mates early but need to reread with Jack flip in mind.

 

A lot of clutter from people I trust on BFG acting against meta, and I had several issues with Pral. Like this wagon more than JTAG. Need to reread SS interactions again - i faultily based some reads in my second readthrough on ES flipping scum, so I need to go through with a fresh pair of eyes

[Lenlo]

Oh were only at L-3? ##vote J-TAG

 

I want to use the time we have but im not letting them slip outta this without a fight.

[Cory Caboose]

Cloud, did Darthe talk sense into you? :P

[Cory Caboose]

On that reread I specifically had some things on ES/RTL interactions that made me feel better about RTL in the assumption of an ES scumflip. I have the marked down as not scum-scum. Need to see exactly why I did that and what the thread says about RTL with ES flipping town.

[_CLOUD]

  On 4/2/2014 at 4:31 PM, corycurren said:

Cloud, did Darthe talk sense into you? :P

 

Nah I actually started reading the thread :P

[Tyler Glembo]

  On 4/2/2014 at 3:23 PM, Despothera said:

Mafia didn't NK ES

 

Pretty much confirmed that they didn't incidentally, since ES flipped as a powered BG of some kind. Had mafia targeted them with the NK, most likely they would have died along with them.

 

ES prob just wisely chose who mafia was gonna NK. I'm thinking they went for WiFuM imo. Notice how J-TAG didn't really put out any posts mentioning or responding to Ithi or Turin? They prob thought they were gonna be dead soon.

 

Pretty sure they didn't try targeting us

 

But yeah, Clarthe is close to (or wait mebbe already is on mah list ) LOCK CLEAR

 

 

This.  Clarthe looks good.

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 4:00 PM, Andrej said:

My reads have been pretty off this game for the most part, I think. I've been sort of detached and busy so it's been hard for me to keep up, and having to read through the game instead of playing it real time makes my brain process less organic But anyway, here's what I've got:

 

Town to Scum:

CRUNK

WiFuM

Spliff

Clarthe

HaXorz

Yolo

RTL

SS

PFG

 

I think if we lynch from the bottom up we will do well. Top 3 are all but conf-town IMO. Pral (of PFG's) opener didn't really sit well with me but I felt like he was making well Constructed arguments early on which gave me a town lean On him. Also of note, as Pointed out above, he did avoid the SH wagon and was on the last to join it (pot-meet-kettle, right?). SS girls continue to move up and down the spectrum for me. Sometimes I think they look pretty town, other times I think they look pretty scummy. Leelou gives me a rather bloodthirsty vibe in her more recent posts where she says Evil Sibs would've been today's lynch and then very happily joined the J-TAG wagon. TG and I are Called-Out-Promptly for my interaction around the StrawHats wagon which I can understand and accept, but our lynch won't achieve much good for Town.

 

For now I think PFG is the best wagon. As far as who that 3rd slot would be I'm still pretty unsure.

 

Head #2 mostly agrees.  Clarthe, WiFum, Hax, and Crunk all town.  AJ is disagrees with me about Spliff and has a stronger scum read on PFG than I do.  And Yolo is lower on my list.

 

I need to go back and re-consider some interactions now that ES flipped town though.