[Advanced] Catching Fire mafia - Game over!

[Darthe]

VANILLA TOWN = ROLELESS TOWN = BASIC TOWN = TOWN CLAIM WITH NOTHING ATTACHED TO IT

 

 

You do it all the time.  It's a faction claim.  

 

WTL Salami because he is either mafia or too ______ to help town.  Pick your negative word.

[csarmi]

VANILLA TOWN = ROLELESS TOWN = BASIC TOWN = TOWN CLAIM WITH NOTHING ATTACHED TO IT

You know that's not true Darthe. So what's your game? 

 

You do it all the time.

That's not true either.

 

It's a faction claim.

That's not true either.

 

Darthe, I'm pretty sure you're better than this.

 

1) Why are you lying about my games?

2) Why are you trying to confuse different sorts of claims?

[Darthe]

It isn't a lie at all.  Allow me to quote mafiascum.  

 

Players who have no extraordinary abilities are specifically called Vanilla Townies (VT).

 

 

Would you also like quotes of the past ten times you've claimed VT early D1 without reason?  It is, to put things bluntly, a failing in your aptitude as a player.  I promise I won't have to look hard.

[michellem]

 

Official vote count

 

Dice (1): TG

TG (1): Krak

Darthe (1): Vos

 

Not voting: Amega, Darthe, Csarmi, Xthrax, Pral, Monk, Dap, Verb, Krak, Time, Dice, Hallia, Lenlo, Rhea.

 

No deadline yet

 

 

Since the game started on the weekend, I have been lenient with the activity rule, but from today that will change. Remember, 1 game related post pr RL day or 3 pr game day.

 

 

Also, a deadline will be put in place later this evening. It will give you 48 hours.

[Darthe]

I can actually go further than this.  You cannot claim vanilla without implicitly claiming town even if you do not add the word town to your claim.  The reason is there is no such thing as vanilla mafia.  That is a mafia goon.  

[csarmi]

It isn't a lie at all.  Allow me to quote mafiascum.  

 

Players who have no extraordinary abilities are specifically called Vanilla Townies (VT).

Why are you trying to confuse the following type of claims:

 

1) alignment claim

2) role claim

3) character claim

 

Vanilla Town = an alignment + role claim

Town = an alignment claim

Machiavelli = a character claim

 

Alignment claim = practically null in a basic game (not exactly zero because of possible 3rd party), it's never null in advanced games (LD, the very least)

Role claim = never null

Character = it goes from null to wifom (based on theme)

 

I know for a fact that you know that these are quite different.

 

Would you also like quotes of the past ten times you've claimed VT early D1 without reason?  It is, to put things bluntly, a failing in your aptitude as a player.  I promise I won't have to look hard.

Please do. I claimed VT (on D1 without prompting) exactly once in my maffia career.

[csarmi]

I can actually go further than this.  You cannot claim vanilla without implicitly claiming town even if you do not add the word town to your claim.  The reason is there is no such thing as vanilla mafia.  That is a mafia goon.

That depends on site, actually. Technically, a goon is a vanilla mafioso.

I agree that you can hardly role claim on DM without alignment claiming as well. You can alignment claim without role-claiming, however.

[Pralaya]

Could you guys get those claims clear please?

 

1) When were you affected (time)?

2) What was the effect?

3) Were you allowed to tell that you were affected? (don't answer this if you don't want to)

 

When the bell tolled 9

As mentioned - lynchproof for 24 hours

Nothing like that was mentioned

 

Interesting that Rhea also got the same effect. Looking at Darthe's claim, i have a strong feeling that he got the same effect too.

[csarmi]

 

Could you guys get those claims clear please?

 

1) When were you affected (time)?

2) What was the effect?

3) Were you allowed to tell that you were affected? (don't answer this if you don't want to)

 

When the bell tolled 9

As mentioned - lynchproof for 24 hours

Nothing like that was mentioned

 

Interesting that Rhea also got the same effect. Looking at Darthe's claim, i have a strong feeling that he got the same effect too.

 

Didn't Hally say she got the same effect?

 

Four > three.

[Pralaya]

Yeah, she did. Missed that.

[Darthe]

I intend to quote those Salami VT posts.  I'm sure that a number of people can vouch for him doing so more than once (thus making him a LLL this game already) but it is going to require me to read through the first ten pages or so of a lot of games including quite a number where he wasn't actually vanilla.  So with that in mind I don't at all feel up to doing so ATM when it only proves a point about something that is already a common truth.

[Darthe]

Oh and I didn't get any affect.  Haven't been hit yet but when I am I will claim it.  Hopefully first to prove this.  Laya, wanna comment on anything more relevant?

[dicetosser1]

Hi TG!!

 

so do we  assume Len, Rhea Darthe Pray Csarmi Xthrax and I were not caught in the sector as none of us have said what the effect was?

 

Im trying to remember the movie. Wasn't there a safe time however brief? was that 9-10?

 

How did you come up with that list of people?

 

 

 

They were the people that posted between the tolling and my post

 

 

 

[Verbal32]

 

 

Small mercy that I haven't missed much

But sucks that is so quiet

 

As for the Darthe claim

Hopefully now it will show people that claiming town means basically nothing.

 

The clock thing

There are only 16 of us. So far we have had no, 3, and 2 screams right?

So that means we aren't distributed equally and it is possible there is no one in a sector at all.

It is also possible that we may not be told if we are in a targeted sector. I'm thinking that most of the punishments will be like a null vote, or silencing (you'd be told for that one), or even just give you the potential to hit a trigger if you post something specific during your "hour"

 

This is all conjecture at this point however. I don't believe I was effected at all, but I was away yesterday and today basically.

Um, if anybody ever thought claiming town carried any weight, they need to sign up for remedial mafia lessons.

Salami has done so within the first ten pages of at least eight games in recent memory and yet here he argues that he wants to lynch anyone for doing the same except with the word mafia. Yet he doesnt vote me. What does this say to you?

 

 

It says that Salami puts his foot in his mouth more often than he probably realizes.

 

Also,

 

 

Salami has done so within the first ten pages of at least eight games in recent memory and yet here he argues that he wants to lynch anyone for doing the same except with the word mafia. Yet he doesnt vote me. What does this say to you?

Let's see.

 

I never "claimed town". Moreover, even the question is wrong as it (from you I believe deliberately) confuses, mixes up situations.

 

"Claiming town" is not null in an advanced game. Claiming scum is not null either. Worse, they are in no way equal.

 

I argue I'd like to lynch anyone who claims scum on this game. Cause it's not null. It can only help Maffia.

 

You haven't claimed anything.

 

 

Yes, it is.  Scum will claim town.  Sometimes VT, sometimes a PR.  No weight whatsoever should be given to a town claim.

 

 

 

 

It isn't a lie at all.  Allow me to quote mafiascum.  

 

Players who have no extraordinary abilities are specifically called Vanilla Townies (VT).

 

 

Would you also like quotes of the past ten times you've claimed VT early D1 without reason?  It is, to put things bluntly, a failing in your aptitude as a player.  I promise I won't have to look hard.

 

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.   ;-)

 

How about the # of times you've tried to sound all smartypants and ended up drowning yourself out from whatever point (maybe even a good one) you were trying to make?

[Rhea]

 

Hi TG!!

 

so do we  assume Len, Rhea Darthe Pray Csarmi Xthrax and I were not caught in the sector as none of us have said what the effect was?

 

Im trying to remember the movie. Wasn't there a safe time however brief? was that 9-10?

 

How did you come up with that list of people?

 

 

 

They were the people that posted between the tolling and my post

 

 

 

 

 

I see that now. Thanks for responding. :)

[Darthe]

I never try to sound smart Verb, I just talk as I talk, but I acknowledge that it does get me killed a fair bit.

[csarmi]

Also,

 

 

Salami has done so within the first ten pages of at least eight games in recent memory and yet here he argues that he wants to lynch anyone for doing the same except with the word mafia. Yet he doesnt vote me. What does this say to you?

Let's see.

 

I never "claimed town". Moreover, even the question is wrong as it (from you I believe deliberately) confuses, mixes up situations.

 

"Claiming town" is not null in an advanced game. Claiming scum is not null either. Worse, they are in no way equal.

 

I argue I'd like to lynch anyone who claims scum on this game. Cause it's not null. It can only help Maffia.

 

You haven't claimed anything.

 

 

Yes, it is.  Scum will claim town.  Sometimes VT, sometimes a PR.  No weight whatsoever should be given to a town claim.

 

It is not null because Lie Detector (and some other roles) can check it, and because in some games it makes sense to claim a different alignment than town (survivor, for instance). Doing that claim doesn't indicate your alignment per se, but it does have an effect on the game.

[Verbal32]

@Salami:  you're stretching, and you know it.  LDs are rare, so forget that.  And nobody in their right mind claims survivor when they are town.  Nobody.  Stop spreading misinformation.

[Verbal32]

I never try to sound smart Verb, I just talk as I talk, but I acknowledge that it does get me killed a fair bit.

 

Hahaha, we agree to disagree here.  I think you beef up posts with nice vocab words sometimes.  I imagine you sitting there with your cappuccino, leafing through a thesaurus and trying to find the perfect word to fit your pretty sentence.

 

 

 

Yes, you might find it weird that I thought of that.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I think so too.

[nervositee]

 

I never try to sound smart Verb, I just talk as I talk, but I acknowledge that it does get me killed a fair bit.

 

Hahaha, we agree to disagree here.  I think you beef up posts with nice vocab words sometimes.  I imagine you sitting there with your cappuccino, leafing through a thesaurus and trying to find the perfect word to fit your pretty sentence.

 

 

 

Yes, you might find it weird that I thought of that.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I think so too.

 

 

 

[Darthe]

 

I never try to sound smart Verb, I just talk as I talk, but I acknowledge that it does get me killed a fair bit.

 

Hahaha, we agree to disagree here.  I think you beef up posts with nice vocab words sometimes.  I imagine you sitting there with your cappuccino, leafing through a thesaurus and trying to find the perfect word to fit your pretty sentence.

 

 

 

Yes, you might find it weird that I thought of that.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I think so too.

 

 

Think as you will then. 

 

@Salami, Stopped reading your post at "It's not null because Lie Detector"

 

Try again?

[csarmi]

@Salami:  you're stretching, and you know it.  LDs are rare, so forget that.  And nobody in their right mind claims survivor when they are town.  Nobody.  Stop spreading misinformation.

I'm not stretching. LD's are common enough (say 1 in 20) not to get dismissed. And the point is not that town wouldn't claim survivor... it's the other way around.

 

But... whatever.

[Verbal32]

 

@Salami:  you're stretching, and you know it.  LDs are rare, so forget that.  And nobody in their right mind claims survivor when they are town.  Nobody.  Stop spreading misinformation.

I'm not stretching. LD's are common enough (say 1 in 20) not to get dismissed. And the point is not that town wouldn't claim survivor... it's the other way around.

 

But... whatever.

 

 

First, that is 5%.  Hardly what I'd call common.

 

Second, here is what you said:  "because in some games it makes sense to claim a different alignment than town (survivor, for instance)."  How is that to be interpreted?

[csarmi]

 

 

@Salami:  you're stretching, and you know it.  LDs are rare, so forget that.  And nobody in their right mind claims survivor when they are town.  Nobody.  Stop spreading misinformation.

I'm not stretching. LD's are common enough (say 1 in 20) not to get dismissed. And the point is not that town wouldn't claim survivor... it's the other way around.

 

But... whatever.

 

 

First, that is 5%.  Hardly what I'd call common.

 

Second, here is what you said:  "because in some games it makes sense to claim a different alignment than town (survivor, for instance)."  How is that to be interpreted?

 

Yea, 5% is common enough to be taken into account (my point).

 

That in some games not only "town" claim makes sense. Y

 

You would consider a "town" claim null if it wouldn't make sense for ANYONE to claim another alignment. For instance, in a normal game with only two alignments (maffia, town) the situation is very simple: only alignment claim that makes sense for town is town, and only alignment claim that makes sense for maffia is town).

 

In a game that includes just a single survivor, however, it makes a lot of sense for a survivor to claim "survivor" (and not town). Thus, when someone claims town, that's not null anymore. See what I'm getting at? Note that it's the most basic and simple example, in advanced/experimental games things might get much more complicated.

[csarmi]

Clarification: in common enough <-- the emphasis is on enough (obviously), not on common