[Advanced] Catching Fire mafia - Game over!

[Xthrax]

Ok, need some thoughts here. I assumed my read would clear Darthe because I assumed Verb was the roleblocker (I was roleblocked N1 but not N2), and that he blocked Darthe and NKed Amega. However Verb flipped Voyeur, which is a weak investigative role to learn more about which PRs is in the game, as I understand it. 

 

Now, with Verb as a scum voyeur, would he target a town player or a scum team member?

 

Wait, if Verb was a scum voyeur and that means he was one of the mafia, wouldn't he know the roles of each of his teammates? So he would go for a town player. Why should he go for a teammate who he already knew.

[Krakalakachkn]

Yeah, I don't get what you're saying Vos.

[nervositee]

 

Ok, need some thoughts here. I assumed my read would clear Darthe because I assumed Verb was the roleblocker (I was roleblocked N1 but not N2), and that he blocked Darthe and NKed Amega. However Verb flipped Voyeur, which is a weak investigative role to learn more about which PRs is in the game, as I understand it. 

 

Now, with Verb as a scum voyeur, would he target a town player or a scum team member?

 

Wait, if Verb was a scum voyeur and that means he was one of the mafia, wouldn't he know the roles of each of his teammates? So he would go for a town player. Why should he go for a teammate who he already knew.

 

 

Yeah, I don't get what you're saying Vos.

 

 

A voyeur is informed what was done to the targeted player. Not by who. So Verb could "peek" at a team-mate, get informed that he was cop-viewed, then see if anyone suddenly started tunneling said scum-mate and then discover who is cop. 

 

Krak, you should know this? And X, what did you assume a voyeur was? 

[Xthrax]

11. Krak: He seemed to be scum hunting. In his case he called a few posts by me, Pral and Len. But he votes TG. He refutes Len's case saying he wasn't reflecting Dice. But he also read Amega as top scum. I read his tone as ok but something about it overall doesn't fit right. Read-mixed

 

12. BFG: -I'll comment after BFG has finished.

 

14. Hallia: Lot of jumping on bandwagon just citing her reasons as because the other players reasoning was good. Lots of opportunities when she could've posted opinion on game play but did not do so, instead fluff. I read that scum trying to lie low. Scummy read.

 

15. Lenlo:Claimed mason along with TG. Bears watching. 

 

16.Songstress: She has been scum hunting effectively. She has suspected Amega, Krak and me of which Amega has turned out as town. Even though I don't agree with some of her reads, she has an overall good feel.

[Xthrax]

 

 

Ok, need some thoughts here. I assumed my read would clear Darthe because I assumed Verb was the roleblocker (I was roleblocked N1 but not N2), and that he blocked Darthe and NKed Amega. However Verb flipped Voyeur, which is a weak investigative role to learn more about which PRs is in the game, as I understand it. 

 

Now, with Verb as a scum voyeur, would he target a town player or a scum team member?

 

Wait, if Verb was a scum voyeur and that means he was one of the mafia, wouldn't he know the roles of each of his teammates? So he would go for a town player. Why should he go for a teammate who he already knew.

 

 

Yeah, I don't get what you're saying Vos.

 

 

A voyeur is informed what was done to the targeted player. Not by who. So Verb could "peek" at a team-mate, get informed that he was cop-viewed, then see if anyone suddenly started tunneling said scum-mate and then discover who is cop. 

 

Krak, you should know this? And X, what did you assume a voyeur was? 

 

Oh ok. I thought a voyeur was like a weak cop who would visit players to see if they had/what kind of Power role they had. 

[Xthrax]

Ok checked mafia scum-my bad http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Voyeur . But here its said a voyeur doesn't know who visited a player, only what happened. If someone had already claimed like you, then he might have checked his own teammate to know what position they stand in. If it was free guessing he might have visited town. So I would say his own teammates.

[Krakalakachkn]

Ok that makes sense.  Wasn't familiar with the voyeur role before now.

[Pralaya]

 

#unvote vote dice

 

This seems a little strange. Few posts ago, Vos was one of your top 2 mafia reads. Now you believe him with no question and vote a claimed tracker? I know there's little sense in mafia counterclaiming in that situation, but it seems strange that there's no comment.

 

 

 

Not so strange. It is all in the context.

 

Dice was the top train at that moment. Mafia counterclaiming a not-so-strong role is basically suicide. If it was a doc or a cop, sacrificing would be advantageous because you take out a strong PR. Not in the case of a tracker. 

[Pralaya]

 

Btw, what does Oracle do?

Most of the time they get to ask the mod questions about the set up of the game. There is usually some form of restriction like yes/no questions or only 2 questions per game.

 

##vote verbal

 

I believe that puts him at L-1 ATM

 

 

Just went back to have a look a Amega's post and I don't see him giving any clues about the setup. Not sure if that is what Oracle  actually does. Googling says that it reveals an alignment when he is dead, but that didn't seem to happen too. 

[Darthe]

For some reason I thought it would be day by now. My time is probably off.  

[michellem]

This is a long night, since it would have been an unfairly short night if I've gone with the first midnight. It will be day in 3 and a half hours.

[michellem]

He was in the jungle alone, hunting for water. Mags had woven them some small baskets of grass, that held water nicely. He was filling them all up, he couldn't sleep anyway. He spun around as he heard a low rustling sound behind him. Cashmere was standing behind him, studying him. "I knew I'd find you sooner or later... I owe you for killing my brother. Unfortunatley, I know the others are close. I'd love to take my time with you... Too bad Enobaria is gone, you look like you have a nice throat. She'd enjoy ripping it out. " He opened his mouth, yelling as loud as he could to, hoping to warn the others down on the beach, wake them up. His yell turned into a gurgle as Cashmere jumped him and started choking him. He struggled as well as he could, but she'd got him pinned down, a knife through one of his hands.  "Katniss..." he thought. And then all went black.

 

 

Darthe, Peeta, Watcher, has been killed.

 

 

It is now Day 4. With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1375&iso=20140318T0001

[Darthe]

Bah!  Go town.

[michellem]

The bell tolls seven times. One scream echoes around the arena.

 

 

Sorry I'm late. I bought the Catching Fire dvd today and I've been watching the "Making of" and I got distracted!

[monk2310]

Peeta...... Noooooooooo

[monk2310]

F it, you can kill my boy Peeta.

 

Monk time.

[BFG]

 

 

Ok, need some thoughts here. I assumed my read would clear Darthe because I assumed Verb was the roleblocker (I was roleblocked N1 but not N2), and that he blocked Darthe and NKed Amega. However Verb flipped Voyeur, which is a weak investigative role to learn more about which PRs is in the game, as I understand it. 

 

Now, with Verb as a scum voyeur, would he target a town player or a scum team member?

 

Wait, if Verb was a scum voyeur and that means he was one of the mafia, wouldn't he know the roles of each of his teammates? So he would go for a town player. Why should he go for a teammate who he already knew.

 

 

Yeah, I don't get what you're saying Vos.

 

 

A voyeur is informed what was done to the targeted player. Not by who. So Verb could "peek" at a team-mate, get informed that he was cop-viewed, then see if anyone suddenly started tunneling said scum-mate and then discover who is cop. 

 

Krak, you should know this? And X, what did you assume a voyeur was?

 

Was still leaning more Town before the flip, as the only way watching a team member makes sense to me would be to watch the person who submitted the NK, to know if you needed to distance or not.

 

 

 

 

#unvote vote dice

 

This seems a little strange. Few posts ago, Vos was one of your top 2 mafia reads. Now you believe him with no question and vote a claimed tracker? I know there's little sense in mafia counterclaiming in that situation, but it seems strange that there's no comment.

 

 

Not so strange. It is all in the context.

 

Dice was the top train at that moment. Mafia counterclaiming a not-so-strong role is basically suicide. If it was a doc or a cop, sacrificing would be advantageous because you take out a strong PR. Not in the case of a tracker.

 

I get the counterclaim argument, it just seemed weird there was no comment.

 

 

The bell tolls seven times. One scream echoes around the arena.

 

 

Sorry I'm late. I bought the Catching Fire dvd today and I've been watching the "Making of" and I got distracted!

I'm hoping this was after watching the film.

[BFG]

I'm out fir a bit, but will finish catching up this weekend.

[Pralaya]

Looking back at Verbal's posts

 

@Salami - am I correct in thinking your case on Dice rests heavily on your current meta with him?  I re-read your summary on him, and it feels like his "you always have a scum read on me" retort is what put you over the top in voting him?  Do I have that right?

 

Verbal is trying to trap Csarmi and throwing focus away from Dice.

 

He then goes after Csarmi in a lot of posts, commenting here and there but not making a full case. Nudging, basically.

 

 

 

I'm gonna read the case on Krak (and ISO once I'm on a PC), and jump in there.

 

FYI, I still haven't done this, but I don't want to forget & lose track.  Now that we have extra time (today), I need to get this done.

 

Focuses on krak a lot but doesn't comment on him until later, when he throws bigger suspicion on Amega and X

 

Oh crap, that's right - I was affected by a wedge over the weekend.  I don't know which "scream" was me, though - wasn't online.  But I took 1 less to lynch for 24 hours.  Maybe I'm in the unknown group of people that haven't revealed their wedge effect yet?

 

 

Basically admitted that he skipped mentioning that he has double vote.  This should have pinged but given that he had earlier said he was sick, this got lost in the din. 

 

 

 

##Unvote vote Xthrax
I only do this of consolidation before deadline. I want to lynch Amega or Krak but that doesn't look to be happening in eh the time we have left.

 

I'd say Amega over both of them, but I agree that we are out of time.  I have X as my #2 (barely), so I'm ok with his lynch.  I'm leaving work soon and might not be back before the deadline, so I'll put him at L-2.

 

##Vote: Xthrax

 

 

Votes Xthrax with 2 hours to deadline. This is interesting, in that, it looked like it was going to a no-lynch situation with deadline looming and nobody else being active. If Xthrax was Verbal's scum buddy, would he try to bus him given the context? I think not. This vote on X shows that X is not scum.

 

Re: Krak

 

Early on he looked to be all over the place - he cased Salami, and then agreed with him.  He went back to his original vote (TG), and also cased X a little.  But there was a lot of fluff in there as well, so it is hard to get a read on whether he's unfocused due to being scum, or lazy town.

 

I'd say I'm even on Krak and X, with Amega being the most scummy for me.

 

 

Verbal comes back with his read on Krak and has a scum feeling on krak, along with Amega and X. Amega flipped town. X is also looking town based on the earlier comment.Which leaves Krak. I think Verbal would try to include at least one scum in that list and based on my earlier read on Krak, it just reaffirms that he is leaning scum.

 

 

 

I feel like Pral is trying to tell us something.  I know he can only vote, but his continued persistence on the revoting Amega leads me to believe he knows something.  But we're getting closer to the deadline than I'm comfortable with.

 

Vote Xthrax

 

I think he's basically saying Tress is correct on her assumption, which is why he voted her and then unvoted and went back to X.

 

 

He defends me or trying to say that I did not have any information. In any case, I felt this was good because that is exactly what I was trying to do. 

 

He also has a big Amega case in the middle, which I have not added here because he flipped town.

 

[Pralaya]

Latest update.

 

For easy reference - The bell:

• 9 times, 3 screams right after, lynchproof (Pray, Rhea, Hally)
• 8 times, -, unknown
• 7 times, 2 screams in the distance, no coroner (Monk) Amega
• 9 times, 2 screams, lynchproof (Csarmi, ?)
• 4 (times), 2 screams, doublevoter (Csarmi, ?)
• 6 times, -, unknown
• 1 times, 3 screams, Silenced (Pral, Amega, ?)
• 3 times, no screams, unknown
• 6 times, 1 scream, unknown (?)
• 10 times, 1 scream, unknown (?)
• 7 times, 1 scream, no coroner (?)

What we seem to know:

• The bell tolls every 24 hours. (fact)
• It seems that the number of screams indicates the number of people affected (speculation)
• It seems that the same zone gives the same effect to everyone, everytime (speculation, based on the 1st and 4th toll)
• It seems that the zone gets selected with simple randomness (speculation, but the data fits a simple 1/12)
• It seems that the players affected get selected independently, with 1/12 chance (speculation, but the 3/0/2/2/2/0 fits that just fine - ofc it could fit a lot of things but this is the simplest

[michellem]

 

The bell tolls seven times. One scream echoes around the arena.

 

 

Sorry I'm late. I bought the Catching Fire dvd today and I've been watching the "Making of" and I got distracted!

I'm hoping this was after watching the film.

 

 

Of course. It was after my fourth or fifth time of watching the film

[Krakalakachkn]

 

Re: Krak

 

Early on he looked to be all over the place - he cased Salami, and then agreed with him.  He went back to his original vote (TG), and also cased X a little.  But there was a lot of fluff in there as well, so it is hard to get a read on whether he's unfocused due to being scum, or lazy town.

 

I'd say I'm even on Krak and X, with Amega being the most scummy for me.

 

 

Verbal comes back with his read on Krak and has a scum feeling on krak, along with Amega and X. Amega flipped town. X is also looking town based on the earlier comment.Which leaves Krak. I think Verbal would try to include at least one scum in that list and based on my earlier read on Krak, it just reaffirms that he is leaning scum.

 

Well seeing how I know my alignment, I'm going to disagree with you.  I think it's more likely he was going to bus X and hope the lynch didn't go through, or if it did he would use the town cred (L-2 is a pretty safe spot).  I think it's more likely he included me as a scum read particularly because he never did that ISO on me.  Also, most of the active town at the town had me on their likely scum list.  I think he was trying to blend in and not make waves.

[nervositee]

Well, not that I'm afraid of that happening, but no speed lynches in this slice then (7 times, no coroner). 

 

I agree with Krak here that Prals reasoning for claiming X as town because Verb put him at L-2 is pretty weak. I can easily see him doing that. He was resistant at doing so, but it established him as a "team player", and could easily be a distancing/bussing move. I hate egging people on who claim RL "important things came up", but would like to see the rest of his reads. 

 

I've liked Tress and BFG's play since my last read. 

 

 

I'll look around the thread to see what comes up. But for now

 

## Vote Monk

[nervositee]

(Painfully short) Monk ISO:

 

 

 

 

Wait, so you're watching me because I make sense? How is me making sense alignment indicative at all?

 

 

Yeah, I found that scummy too 

No, wait... 

 

I dont understand this; sorry if it means nothing.

 

 

Jumpy?

 

I agree with you on the amag case, Lenlo.

 

Following following... adds nothing

 

Vote: Xthrax best target we have right now, as scum is lurking hard.

 

Assumes scum is lurking, again just following others lead

 

 

 

Vote: Xthrax best target we have right now, as scum is lurking hard.

 

Do you think X is scum or not?

 

Yes.

 

 

Claims he thinks X is scum, but even when pressed, doesn't give any reasons or thoughts of his own

 

Jesus Christ, facepalm.

 

"Free townie-points". However, that doesn't work when you are that inactive and tries to get townie-points for being frustrated at town inactivity!!! 

 

F it, you can kill my boy Peeta.

Monk time.

 

No idea what that means. However, looking forward to "Monk time". Does that mean you will start contributing?

[monk2310]

No. It means I go perfect the rest of the game on gut reads.

 

For example, X is scum.