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[peacesells]

I'm starting to see a trend that is throwing me off a bit.  It seems lately I've been the favorite player to give "town" reads on.  It's happening in many games lately.  Not a big deal right?  Wrong.  It's distorting my reads on people.  We all naturally like who agree with us. 

 

I also can't tell if giving me town reads tool for the scum team.  Tommy has done it as scum before.  If I'm on the wrong track in my own hunting, others giving me a town read give more strength to my scum targets. 

 

So..I'm trying to work that out. 

[Andrej]

Brain is sorta fried after studying for my test tomorrow morning (wish me luck!)

 

BFG is being moved into my town pile. Looks like she's starting to ramp up which is a good sign, she's a smart cookie. I'm curious as to her wanting Mish's opinion on me specifically but I'm sure there is something logical behind it. Her looking for these types of connections gives me good vibes.

 

Len's read list was kinda meh but I can agree with Hallia that having more nulls than anything on D1 isn't really a bad thing. We can press for a more definitive stance later if it continues on this path however.

 

Turin raises some good points. I can agree with him somewhat on Tommy, he's a player I don't think I'll ever fully trust. Some of his comments towards me feeling borderline like a pocketing attempt but more will be needed before I call him scum. This could also just be paranoia on my part. I also agree with his statement that if Des is a legit Vig that killing Darthe over personal issues isn't very helpful for town.

 

Dap's post is interesting in regards to Mish. The connection he points out disagrees with my town read on Darthe but it does bring light to Mish's vote on TG who I am also town reading. Looking back when I questioned her on if she still found TG scummy after his later content her answer wasn't very satisfactory. She hasn't contributed much (this could be due to internet issues) but it looks like she is parking her vote. I'm also curious as to what info Dap thinks will be gained on me via Pral.

 

Reads:

 

Peace - Leaning town. He's made a few good points here and there and seems in tune with the thread. His suspicion of me in unvoting TG I find natural and shows that he is looking more for motive than semantic arguments.

 

Wombat - Also making good observations. Darthe's post on him has swayed me a bit to think better of him. We are opposite on a lot of stances thus far but I think the game still being in an early phase is a factor of this.

 

Darthe - Was leaning scum on him earlier for the quick turnaround on Mish but his contributions since have been sound. Glad that he is engaging more. Town lean.

 

Tommy - hesitant town lean. His cases on people look good but I wouldn't expect him to push weak angles as scum. Some of buddying comments make me uneasy but I will reserve judgement until more info can be gathered.

 

BFG - seems to be ramping up and looking critically for connections. Has a good mind for game solving and that is the vibe I get here. Town lean.

 

Despo - Vig claim aside I think we are seeing the narcissistic side of town Des who generally doesn't back down from his arguments and sees things his way. His omgus suspicion of those countering him doesn't read to me as flailing but more as conf-bias due to his innocence.

 

TG - early game posting was pretty suspect but I think he has settled in after regathering himself. I have liked nearly all of his posts in the later part of this Day. Leaning town.

 

Turin: Looks to be tunneling a bit on Despo but I liked his reads list and his analysis of one of his scum reads' list as well. Hopefully he'll be able to post more around work. Leaning town.

 

Dap - null. Found him scummy earlier for lack of content IMO of his posts but his recent WoT is better. I liked the points he raised about Mish.

 

Kaylee - null. General summarization and parroting that I find the norm for her play. She's getting replaced? Sorry about the wrist will reserve judgement until her slot is filled.

 

Lenlo - null. Some people are scum reading him but I'm not very convinced. Between him and TG I think TG won the exchange but that doesn't mean they aren't town/town. The joking tone is typical from what I know so that's null as well.

 

Amega - I don't really remember anything he's done but call Despo a girl lol. Funny, but somewhat troubling. Null to scum lean.

 

Pral - his responses don't really add up to me. I think his idea that Des and Darthe are scum/scum is really stretching credibility. Still support this lynch 100%

 

Mish - was a town lean early on but I am beginning to doubt that. People seem to be a little leery of her which makes me reconsider a bit. Dap brought up good points and I find her vote being left on TG despite his later content to be a bit suspect. I don't feel like she's produced much in game activity or direction. Leaning scum at this point.

[dapianoplay3r]

AJ the info in you isn't about you really it's Csarmi

That interaction around the LD just felt staged

[Andrej]

Damnit Salami.

[dapianoplay3r]

Yea

Can't ask you to comment on it cos your not him

 

But I really didn't like it.

Anyway that's a link we will revisit when we need to

 

For now I make custard

[dapianoplay3r]

You're *

[BFG]

So 15 minutes before work, so I won't have time to gather quotes again.

 

I'd got as far as:

 

Dap - probably my most uncertain read, I don't want to say null as I tend to think that null means haven't posted enough, and Daps posted a lot of reads/responses, but on half of them I think 'great point' and on the rest I'm scratching my head.  Regarding Csarmi he thought that Csarmi/Pral were distancing (from which I read gambit) and that when AJ subbed in it was strange for him to be voting with Des. I don't follow that reasoning, AJ and Csarmi have the same role but are different players, so unless Csarmi was mafia and they have an over riding plan then somebody new coming in is going to have different opinions.  I agreed with you when you said that TGs 'TMI' post looked like they'd been having a PM conversation.  I'm not sure what I make of you adding Mish to Tommy's WTL pile, but then voting with her on TG to even up the trains. 

 

Pral - still leaning mafia - a couple of the things I think I remember him saying he didn't (for example Daps Csarmi/Pral AJ/Des thing mentioned above), however in looking through content there isn't much there except his vote on Des (and subsequent responses), his post about Des getting lynched Day 1 as mafia also reads badly with hindsight of subsequent events as it starts to look a little like a nudge, but, tbf, I didn't read it that way to begin with.

 

Wombat - leaning Town for now.

[BFG]

AJ - I'll explain the thing about Mish after she responds, think she said she had a migraine yesterday, but hopefully she'll make it on today.

[BFG]

Only time for quick summaries (and they're being written between work discussions, so probably more incoherent than normal)

 

TG - town lean, feel he overexplains the LD thing, but acknowledges the mistake easily and doesn't over defend it. When I read the now 'edited out' comment I assumed it was a PM thing between him, Csarmi and the mods (I'm now guessing not, but still don't think this is a big deal). (Dap beat me to saying that this is quoted on the next page), is one of the few people to actually see Hallias full list of reads, which suggests he's paying attention. I like his case on Lenlo, may reconsider my opinion there.

 

Darthe - thrown in the ??? pile with Dap, I'm not a fan of his early game this time, and I don't understand how he can maintain that Des/Csarmi was a gambit given that Csarmi subbed out over it.  I don't mind his unvote, and having read and reread his conversation with AJ, think I understand his position regards Mish and why he was talking about linking, but I don't understand why he wouldn't elaborate earlier. Showed himself to be skimming with his comment to Hallia, and frankly I don't understand his stances at the moment. Said he'd talk about Wombat and Lenlo, still waiting for Lenlo, although his analysis of Wombat seemed good.

 

Tommy - (very) hesitant town

 

Des - reading town for now

 

Csarmi/AJ - likely Town

 

Turin - up to null, and left to last as I wanted to have my own sense of reads. In Christmas mafia I could have written his reads post, albeit with a different emphasis (and if my ability to explain was better), and before his reads this game he's been extremely focused on Des, who I'm reading Town for now, which was troubling.  His reads make me feel a little better, but I'm still cautious here.

[BFG]

Quick summary:

 

Town leans: Peace, Des, AJ/Csarmi, Tommy, Wombat, Lenlo, TG

Null: Turin, Kaylee

Don't have a clue: Dap, Darthe

leaning mafia: Mish (would like opinion on AJ and an updated opinion on TG), Amega (I don't know how you can read through the thread and not see anything to comment on), Hallia (I don't follow how she came up with her list of reads), Pral (would like to see reads on everyone other than Des).

 

I also don't doubt that any of my current town reads could fairly easily fool me.

[Pralaya]

Well, take a note of the ones who are pushing the train and from whose train the attention was taken off.

And, after my flip, have a close look because that will give a clear picture of who the scum is. And those are the same names I am taking, my flip will just confirm it. 

[Pralaya]

 Pral (would like to see reads on everyone other than Des).

 

 

Already given four names which I think are scum. The rest are town lean obviously.

[WWWwombat]

 

Oh so your completely ok with reads so long as they match you own?

 

 

Is that some kind of shock to you?

 

 

vote tg

To even the trains

I think Pral will give good info on AJ though

 

Gross.  I know you like competing trains, but this is something else entirely.  You are abdicating all responsibility for both your vote and your nudge.

 

 

I'm starting to see a trend that is throwing me off a bit.  It seems lately I've been the favorite player to give "town" reads on.  It's happening in many games lately.  Not a big deal right?  Wrong.  It's distorting my reads on people.  We all naturally like who agree with us. 

 

I also can't tell if giving me town reads tool for the scum team.  Tommy has done it as scum before.  If I'm on the wrong track in my own hunting, others giving me a town read give more strength to my scum targets. 

 

So..I'm trying to work that out. 

 

Maybe you're just playing more townie lately.  I haven't been playing much lately though so idk.

[WWWwombat]

unvote

Vote: TG

 

 

Cuz Pralaya train smells like week-old fish.

[WWWwombat]

Len and Dap are top two btw.

[keyholder21]

Kaylee had to sub out due to her wrist.  

 

 

Dice is replacing Kaylee.  Any votes by or on her will be removed.

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:

Despo (3) - Turin, Amega, Pral
TG (5) - Mish, Hallia, peace, Dap, Wombat
Lenlo (1) - TG, 
Pral (5) - AJ, Darthe, des, Tommy, Leno

Not Voting (2) - BFG, dice

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline:http://www.timeandda...sg=End of Day 1
 
DEADLINE IS IN JUST OVER 13 HOURS

[hazelkrs1]

 Peace -  Meh.

Turin -  Null. Wish he would post more. If he doesnt might lynch him just cause.

Mish - Null. Not sure what to make of her.

 Despo - Im fluctuating on Despo. Some posts seem really scummy and then he comes back with another post explaining it that makes it look if not town, atleast not scummy. Gonna even this out to a null.

 Csarmi  Andrej - 

Amega -  Null wish he would post more.

 Hallia - Wish would post more real stuff and more in general.

 Darthe - Originally thought scummy, but chalked that up to personal bias. Now leaning town.

Kaylee - Doesnt seem to be saying much that is her own.

 Wombat - Cant decide. Gonna say null. Maybe a slighty town. 

 Dap - Slight scum ping. Pure gut. Dunno where its coming from. Wish would post more.

 BFG - Null. Kinda here kinda not, pretty forgettable.

 TG - Scummy but getting town cred with his recent posts. Like how hes trying to hash it out and get things cleared up so that no matter what happens, why it happened was clear.

 Pral - Scummy, not many real posts and those that are real arent that good imo.

 SickPuppets  TommyRod - Town. Very proactive, posts alot and good. Like the cut of his jib.

 Lenlo - ME! :D

 

This reads list is really, really bad Lenlofinger. Fencesit or null almost the entire player field.

 

Thing is, people can say 'oh you have to many nulls', but it's day 1.  Anyone who has everyone pegged is either lying out their teeth or scumy mcscummerson in my opinion.

 

It's not about having everyone pegged. It's not being afraid to give some kind of lean on players, which is more of a townie thing to do really. Scum like to keep their options open on people so leaving everyone as null doesn't look great to other people.

 

I'm starting to see a trend that is throwing me off a bit.  It seems lately I've been the favorite player to give "town" reads on.  It's happening in many games lately.  Not a big deal right?  Wrong.  It's distorting my reads on people.  We all naturally like who agree with us. 

 

I also can't tell if giving me town reads tool for the scum team.  Tommy has done it as scum before.  If I'm on the wrong track in my own hunting, others giving me a town read give more strength to my scum targets. 

 

So..I'm trying to work that out. 

 

I think a lot of it is that you aren't very reactionary, and don't usually get in heated one on ones, so you can be considered a "safe" town read for scum at times, and easy to read as town by townies.

 

Well, take a note of the ones who are pushing the train and from whose train the attention was taken off.

And, after my flip, have a close look because that will give a clear picture of who the scum is. And those are the same names I am taking, my flip will just confirm it. 

 

This post is gross.

 

 

 Pral (would like to see reads on everyone other than Des).

 

 

Already given four names which I think are scum. The rest are town lean obviously.

 

And this is even worse. First of all you're apparently unwilling to simply restate any of your previous scum reads, second- you have everyone else as a town read? Seriously? Town over null for every single one? That's absurd man.

[hazelkrs1]

Pray not claiming even tho there's less than a day until deadline = holding the town hostage. Scum.

[hazelkrs1]

Btw, I'm on my 5 days off right now. So might be a little less active.

[Pralaya]

vote tg

To even the trains

I think Pral will give good info on AJ though

 

So, what will it say if I flip town? Or if I flip scum?

[Pralaya]

Pray not claiming even tho there's less than a day until deadline = holding the town hostage. Scum.

 

Because there is nothing to claim. I am VT

[Pralaya]

 

Well, take a note of the ones who are pushing the train and from whose train the attention was taken off.

And, after my flip, have a close look because that will give a clear picture of who the scum is. And those are the same names I am taking, my flip will just confirm it. 

 

This post is gross.

 

 

That is spot on. My flip will pretty much solve the game because it is clear who  the ones pushing the train and who are sheeping.

[hazelkrs1]

Anyone else find it funny that Wombat fos'd Dap for voting TG for competing trains (and supposedly ditching responsibility for his vote), and yet he swaps to the TG train because of even moar dubious reasons? Switching trains because you don't want to share it with some of your scum reads implies that you also might be self-conscious of how others perceive you, which is an obvious scum trait.

 

Scumbat dropping scumtells like Hansel and Scummy Gretel.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Well, take a note of the ones who are pushing the train and from whose train the attention was taken off.

And, after my flip, have a close look because that will give a clear picture of who the scum is. And those are the same names I am taking, my flip will just confirm it. 

 

This post is gross.

 

 

That is spot on. My flip will pretty much solve the game because it is clear who  the ones pushing the train and who are sheeping.

 

 

That's such a ridiculous notion I just don't think you'd be bad enough to believe that as town. Ergo I think you're scum lolcatting.