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Simple.  I don't want to die.  That means TG or Amega.  I'm wary of the TG train given that Cloud is on it, but I have a town read on you.  I find it more likely that my read on Amega is incorrect than that my read on Cloud is.

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Ninja'd by your response to Peace, but still.  If you've been getting town reads on him the whole time it seems silly to not look for another option.

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Vote Count

 

TGlems (2) - Cloud, Amega

Wombat (4) - TGlems, Leelou, Kaylee, Hallia

Amega (2) - Peace, Wombat

 

Not Voting - Verbal, Xthrax

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline is set for Monday February 24th at 11:00 PM CST

 

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That's probably because right now I'm mainly looking to lynch someone who is not me.  Neither of my top scum reads have any votes.  If I really wanted to be super opportunistic, I could've voted TG and put him at 3.  But I'm wary of voting with Cloud.

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^^ those types of responses makes it really hard to figure out what is what you are saying and what someone else is saying. Could you respond outside of the quote box?

i think its pretty obvious that the bolded is my reply and i like to respond that way.. puts my thoughts in an orderly fashion to the question.

 

Then don't expect me to read anything you post that way. When responses like that get quoted by other people, it start to get confusing as to who said what.

 

Seconded. You should learn how to properly edit your posts so it doesn’t become a pain to follow your thoughts.

 

VOTE AMEGA

This is a bad vote. Did you even notice the VC from Day 1? Amega was the only one who called Despo out for his bs reason for unvoting from AJ, and he was also the first one to place a vote on him after the previous train on him died away.

 

@TG: Fair enough. You have proven that he likes to claim town in both basic and advanced games. It however still doesn’t disprove my point that you were trying to get him lynched without looking at the situation from an objective point of view. If he were to claim to be town then you wouldn’t have believed him because like you said he does that all the time so it becomes a null tell and it also gets him lynched more often than not, but if he were to try and change his meta then you would have again attacked him for it because he is behaving differently than what you are used to seeing from him. I can only guess what his reasoning was for not claiming to be town in this game, but I do find you suspicious for wanting to get him lynched only because of a change in meta that isn't alignment indicative. It looks to me that you aren’t interested in scumhunting and are only looking for the easiest ways to get rid of players.

 

 

I think he trolls purposely regardless. Why do you feel it necessary to continue this non-scumhunting conversation?

Relying too heavily on meta can bite you in the ass.

^ Also this.

 

 

Completely illogical thinking. You've stated his meta was to claim town day 1 regardless of alignment. You said that since he didn't do so this game then his is scum. Does not compute.

 

You look pretty bad pursuing this stance.

Where did I say he claims town regardless of alignment? I am saying he claims town when he is town. When he is scum, he doesn't claim town. In this game he did not claim town. Also, when he is town he sows a lot more WIFOM than when he is scum, IMO.

 

Maybe I should be clear and say he is off his town meta.

 

It isn't true that he never claimed to be town as mafia.

 

Simple. I don't want to die. That means TG or Amega. I'm wary of the TG train given that Cloud is on it, but I have a town read on you. I find it more likely that my read on Amega is incorrect than that my read on Cloud is.

Amega? Really? I’m willing to switch to X if it would make you feel any better about me. I don't care as long as both he and TG are the ones who end up getting lynched.

 

I think Csarmi's hammer was a bus move and I don't like Cloud trying to clear himself based on ambiguous interactions that Csarmi had.

Salami’s vote on Kaylee was indeed bad, but can you disprove my reasoning for why Salami is cleared based on his interaction with Despo and AJ at the start of the game?

 

 

@X: What are you current reads?

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Wow.  Wombat is all over the place.  I don't think I've ever seen him this disconnected with his own prior reads.
 
 

 

Vote Count
 
Kaylee (4) - Leelou, Xthrax, Csarmi
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal
Wombat (1) AJ
Des (5) - Ame, Kaylee, Hallia, Wombat, Peace
 
Not Voting: Puppets
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CSTDeadline Link

This is the VC after Peace switched momentum to Des. Shortly afterward, Does gives up by claiming VT. Votes after Peace get no town cred. Furthermore, the timing of all this leads me to believe that probably one scum was voting Kaylee and maybe one who wasn't Des was on neither Des nor Kaylee. Scum wanted to railroad Kaylee, but Peace doomed them.

Top suspects in this scenario are Csarmi, Xthrax, and Verb.

Leaning Xthrax ATM, as since someone said (was it AJ?), he said Des was off but didn't help lynch him.

Anyways, limited access til Sunday, so if someone could pull the VC with Kaylee, Peace, and Amega as competing trains, I would appreciate it. Might be something there.

Vote: Xthrax

 

 
This is Wombat saying X, Salami (now Cloud), and myself are his top suspects. He votes X, which seems appropriate based on his reads. After this, he starts to completely unravel.


 

I did catch a scumtell from him, but he's been towntelling for most of the game.  Don't really want to lynch him.  I'd prefer to lynch Cloud or Xthrax.

 
This was about Amega. Would prefer to lynch 2 of the 3 people he noted are his top suspects. Leaves me out for some reason.

 
 

Speaking of which, Cloud sorta disappeared once the pressure let up on him a bit.  Let's see how he flips.
 
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Vote: Cloud

 
Sorta random switch here. While Cloud is one of Wombat's top 3, there was no real reason for the switch. Wombat had just refuted X's response, and now just jumps off.


 

Bleh.  Deadline in just over a day.  Guess I should should vote someone who already has a vote.

 
Total disconnect, which is a lot coming from Wombat.


 

unvote
Vote: Amega
 
Worst case scenario, I confirm another of my reads.

 
Now wants to vote the guy he says has been "towntelling all game". As others pointed out, this makes no sense.


 

 

unvote
Vote: Amega
 
Worst case scenario, I confirm another of my reads.

 
You just said he's been town telling all game.  I don't get this vote considering your previous points.

 

Simple.  I don't want to die.  That means TG or Amega.  I'm wary of the TG train given that Cloud is on it, but I have a town read on you.  I find it more likely that my read on Amega is incorrect than that my read on Cloud is.


Peace calls him out on it, and here was the response. Now completely backtracks his town telling from Amega, and gives himself the out that he's wrong. With > a day left, that is plenty of time to gain momentum on a train.....especially considering it is the end of the weekend and activity will be ramping back up. Also, no further mention of X (his original vote of his top 3) or myself (the 3rd of his top 3). Kinda weird. I'd expect Wombat to stick to his guns, not waffle in every direction.

Also, wanting to lynch anybody but him is extremely anti-town. This is sloppy from Wombat, which is very uncharacteristic.

Unvote
Vote: Wombat


Dance, little marsupial.

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I edited this down to since my point is about only one line...

 

 

 

VOTE AMEGA

This is a bad vote. Did you even notice the VC from Day 1? Amega was the only one who called Despo out for his bs reason for unvoting from AJ, and he was also the first one to place a vote on him after the previous train on him died away.

 

Bold: that's bull  and I'll grab the quotes to prove it! He was not the only one!

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Here are your quotes as promised...

 

Still catching up but apparently AJ bleeds burnt orange so he's obviously not scum.

Unvote

Huh? I don't understand what you mean.

:tongue:

 

The bold was my response, the tongue face was Despo's. Anyway, I was the first the point out the no reasoning for Despo's unvote...

 

My response apparently got caught in the quote.

 

 

 

haha my use of a meta? what exactly are you trying to get at despo he lurks and i dont like it regardless of if he's town or scum. its bad play, if your not gonna contribute to the game there is little point in playing we cant use vague reads and random votes. 

 

And if your talking about my vote on X. Then im lost with your logic on that as well.

 

 

Speaking of votes. your jumping off AJ cause why? he bleeds orange that is a horrible excuse for two people who had nothing but absolute conviction the other was scum yesterday and now it's like well ig they must be town cause they defended themselves..  and it's really making me consider a gambit. My vote stays where it is.

 

And ill be clear if we get a lynch on aj and he flips scum youll probably be next.

Bold: Amega was the second to point it out. But he wasn't the only one to do so.

 

 

Arnt we all pretty much casing town players and hoping we get a lucky read or find a slip. scum will try to blend but it doesnt always mean they will succeed. 

 

Im starting to lean towards a vote on Des. I know he goes for an aggressive approach but his reads have no strength behind them and he seems much to sporadic. between him and aj he is pinging the most. 

Underlined: Here me mentioned he's starting to lean towards voting Des. (Just added this for referrence).

 

 

Excellent Day 1 so far.

 

AJ comes in with a completely overdone Darthe act and Despo goes nuts on him.  Both start garnering votes.  Multiple people bring up gambit possibility.  Consequentially, WIFOM and FoSes abound.  Then AJ comes back with the "LOL I WAS DRUNK" excuse for backpedaling and Despo does a cryptic unvote on AJ.  AJ picks an easy target (amega) and tries to make a scumslip out of something that isn't a scumslip by putting words in his mouth.  Despo jumps all over it.  Both of these guys are dirty.  They want to fight but don't want to lynch.  Classic overdistancing.

 

Please note the people trying to push onto Kaylee, Peace, or Amega.  These are also suspect.

 

 

 

 

Vote: AJ

Bold: yet another person pointing out the strange unvote. 

Underlined: he thinks both Des and AJ are dirty, yet later votes for NL? 

 

 

These are the quotes that make me think Des could be town and make me unsure about him...

 

 

 

If they were legit scumtells I don't think you'd have an issue pointing them out directly. Also your point is bad because you haven't actually pointed out any specific about me. You can continue throwing blanket statements around but you haven't actually said anything whatsoever. I'm attempting to give you some leeway here. What exactly do you think is scummy? If it's my jokey tone than I think you should hush and sit back a bit until everyone checks in. Like I said, your analysis is faulty or you are scum. That's the bottom line.

You are digging your own grave btw. I'm not trying to scare you off my lynch but you are you wastig your time. Call it conf-bias but I know I am town and therefore suspicious of those who attack me considering I don't feel your vote is warranted.

In other words, come at me bro. You will die regardless of your alignment so choose wisely.

 

Bold: I have pointed out directly EVERY scumtell I've called out. Are you just not paying attention or something dude? Only think I can think of is that this was the alkeyhawl talking at this point.

 

Italics: Uh yeah dude I'm not just going to sit back and wait for someone to claim scum or something. That's not my style. If I see something that looks off to me, even something minor, I'm going to point it out. All it sounds like is you trying to bully me away from voting or pressuring you. And that tactic just won't work.

 

Also, don't tell me to hush. That's incredibly patronizing and rude. I don't care if you're mad that I soulread you as scum so easily, but you really shouldn't have to resort to those type of tactics to defend yourself.

 

Underlined: Lol you just keep slipping and sliding don't you. For future reference, threatening to have your team kill me is NOT a good way to convince me you're town roflmao

 

:laugh:

 

FTR, I am not attempting to lead. But I am town. You can try to come at me but in the end I will crush you.

Your choice.

 

Bahahaha moar threats! I love it!

 

Really is just an insane overreaction to my single vote on you AJ. You attempting to bully me away from voting you has completely exposed you. I can only imagine how mad your teammates are in yall's QT lol.

 

His vote and logic are both convoluted.

 

How exactly can a vote be convoluted? I seriously want to know, I've been trying to think of a way for a few minutes and I got nothing.

 

And how is my logic convoluted? I didn't go through some incredibly lengthy prose involving several leaps in logic to describe why you seemed scummy, I pointed out simple things which are pretty clear to see and you went off the deep end.

 

I'll withhold judgement until you have legitimate time to present your case. Until then though my vote stays on you. Make sure your points are clear as to your POV or else I will consider them fake. If you have legitimate questions for me thus far ( which I doibt you have) I will answer them. If not the only real reason I can formulate is that you are scum and in that case I will devote my time in ensuring you are killed.

Get @ me bro.

 

Yet another threat lololololol. I won't even buy a Vig claim btw at this point cause you don't even act like you'd have to be alive to kill me. "Ensuring you are killed" makes it sound like if I do succeed at lynching you you'll just have your team NK me. Funny thing is, this isn't even the first time that it's been implied you could have me killed even if you were lynched.

 

I really don't get why you thought it was a good idea to issue these threats, veiled or otherwise. If you have your team NK me after I drive your lynch, so be it. I'm overextended right now in mafia games as it is, and I'll have done my job by catching at least one scummer. So go ahead. Do me a favor.

 

:biggrin:

 

As far as I'm concerned these people should be considered scum until otherwise proven: Despo, Verb, Wombat, Leelou & SP.

I don't know SP's meta so he is on list just cause. If Verb does anything but fluff until later Day phases he is scum. Wombat is good and should only be taken at face value rheotoic wise until voting patterns can be discerned. If Leelou makes a reads list that doesn't add up she is scum. Look for inconsistencies in her logic. Despo is purely conf-bias at this point because I know my alignment. He is awfully stubborn as town so if he is pushed off his cases easily this is an indicator.

Would be fine latching any of these just cause it's D1. Reads are subject to change.

Hallia will fluff as either alignment. CS will lay low as scum. Peace is solid town but obvscum. Watch him.

 

Nice job acting like you're actually doing #work instead of just bullying me away from voting you hehe.

 

But all you're really doing here is summarizing people's metas. That's not even directly relevant to THIS game, so really this just looks like fake scumhunting to me.

 

Tbh AJ, even after seeing you as scum in my CWAJGA game, I'm really surprised to see you expose yourself this easily. I always reach with my first cases, but when they actually hit scum it just makes me wanna dance!

 

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A wise man told me everyone should be considered scum until proven otherwise.

 

Who told you that? I feel like I've heard Turin say something like that before, but I'm sure some older vet has prob said similar before.

 

Anyways, I do agree with that statement, altho I will say the LOCK CLEAR thing I picked up lately is pretty funny.

 

The Bolded statements are what made me think he was putting in effort and looking for something legit. Putting real reasons behind why he was going after AJ is what I'm talking about. Up till this point it was mostly about the jovial thing.

 

 

 

@Des: I disagree with your statement of calling potential gambit being a scumtell. Nothing wrong if a townie wants to mention that as an FYI and a statement on how they are viewing the situation.

Ugh, lulz phase was too quick! I'm scumhunting already?! What is this nonsense?!?!

 

It's not really that reliable of a scumtell since townies can very easily be paranoid of a gambit when there's a big back and forth between two players, but I do think it's a scumtell. I've seen scum employ it before when one of their own was "outed" by a strong town leader before as a way to try and get a mislynch on the townie the next day, and saying it seems like a gambit allows them to distance from their teammate as well as link them to a townie.

 

Even worse, in the case that I'm wrong about AJ and this is town on town violence, scum can sit back and call it a gambit, thereby not taking a true side on the whole affair and letting it dominate discussion for a lot longer. And it can make it look like they didn't "know" either player was town, cause they "thought" it was a gambit. See what I mean?

 

Thing is I think calling something a gambit between two players before either's alignment is known or before the situation has even fully played out is somewhat premature. Say we lynch AJ and he turns out to be scum. Does that mean I should be lynched next? A number of people on thread apparently seem to think so. I find this to be a way of setting up a lynch on me in the future if I'm right, and likely suspicion on me anyways if I'm wrong. Puts me in a no-win situation, all because I boldly called out something I saw on someone and he OMGUS'd.

 

 

@Des: I disagree with your statement of calling potential gambit being a scumtell. Nothing wrong if a townie wants to mention that as an FYI and a statement on how they are viewing the situation.

Ugh, lulz phase was too quick! I'm scumhunting already?! What is this nonsense?!?!


The bold is part of what makes me think they are pulling a gambit.

 

uh, what? Just before this you said you thought it was a gambit cause- oh hell I'll just quote it:

 

For me it's that and suddenly, after they go back and forth a bit, AJ has list of potential suspects, supposedly based off meta. The problem I have with that is Leelou is on the list after Des mentions her, and for weak reasons

 

So Salami says why he thinks it's a gambit, you state something different to help support that it's a gambit, then change your story to saying you think it's a gambit because I said calling a back and forth between two players a gambit early on is a scumtell? That literally makes zero sense, and you changing your story is a gigantic ping for me.

 

For vebal's sanity and cause it seemed fitting!

 

I have to say that my first thoughts where scum tells on aj but a few times i got a gambit feeling. I'd have to say im leaning more town on despo if anyone. Even though the starting case seemed pretty hollow aj didnt hold up well with pressure. But the more it went the akwarder the casing looked for both sides. im not going to dismiss a gambit for that reason but im not totally convince of it yet. That would just be way to optimistic for a realist like me. 

 

Also i didnt care for AJ's use of meta's like that! go ahead and tell scum exactly how not to behave this game. Wasn't found of that.

 

Yay someone else mentioning that AJ and I's interaction could be a gambit :dry:

 

 

Vote Des
Why vote Des? To get a train started there with a second vote instead of putting AJ at 4 votes. I can switch my vote to AJ if need be.


So do you think AJ and Des are scum? Because right now you are following AJ onto Des and threw in some I can switch distancing in there.

 

This^

 

Good post from Leelou imo. Makes me feel a bit better about her.

 

Alright, back again and sober today.

 

Des, I stand by what I said. Perhaps my point wasn't made very well last night cause I was rambling a bit, so I'll try to clarify. Basically your case boils down to you saying that I come across as 'jovial' to you and this is an indicator that I received a scum PM and am excited about it. The issue I have with this is simple: You are only applying it in one direction. Why couldn't someone be excited because they got a town PM? I have a hard time believing that you didn't come to this conclusion on your own. If anything that reason should be considered null. So, like I said... I will crush you if this is what you are going to bring against me :biggrin:Really the only thing that you have mentioned against me that could be substantial was my saying killed vs lynched, but I think the point was clear. Eliminate, remove, knock out, etc they all mean the same thing. Fortunately you are exhibiting some of that narcissist Des behavior where you tunnel players and essentially call everything they say scummy, so townie points for that. It's annoying as hell, but it makes me think you could be town.

 

unvote

 

@Salami - Could you elaborate what you think is scummy in my post 58? I've seen you bring it up a few times now and frankly I'm unable to follow your thought process. Also, to answer your question in general I wouldn't say I would automatically be suspicious of everyone that attacks me. That's just part of the game. Their reasoning is a big thing for me, so Des was included on that list for his original vote reasoning. I also aren't following with what you were saying about my 'would like to think' you're town thing. You can disregard my meta read but I find it generally useful early in the game. A lurky CS is usually a scum CS, so in this instance you actually posting would make me lean the other direction based on that alone. I'd like you to explain more of your thought process though, plz.

 

I liked Amega's post. I'm sort of surprised the first thing people thought of was some sort of gambit. I dislike Kaylee's 'could go either way thing', I'm also unable to see where she got the idea of a distancing gambit based on that bolded quote she posted.

 

vote Kaylee

 

Alright so first of all: Holy Backtrack Batman! You start getting some votes cause people see you as the obviously scummier one between us, so you suddenly think I "could be" town now. Biiiig surprise.

 

:rolleyes:

 

As for the rest-

 

Bold: Cause you're much more likely to see a town PM than a scum one, just due to the laws of probability. If you see something a lot more often, you're not going to be as surprised to see it. Plus you could have gotten roled onto a scum team with people you really like, I know that gets me excited when I see the same.

 

Italics: Oh come on bro. It's day 1. Suuuuch a scummy tactic to go "All you really got on me is _____". Anyways, no- I don't think the point was clear. You were threatening to kill me and crush me, and several times implied that you could have me killed even if you were already dead. To me, that's as good as claiming scum. And yet you don't even really address this point when others bring it up.

 

Underlined: Why do you like Amega's post then? He brought up the gambit thing too... and btw nice distancing attempt with Kaylee.

 

She was making something out of nothing hallia, i think we're all agreed thats how she scumhunts to look for reactions. and while im not deciding if their was a gambit at play you seem quick to push off the reactions aj has made due to Despo's play. Nothing at all seemed scummy in his post or even together? Did you feel as if a gambit was possible? your read seems rather vague. 

 

:dry: @ bolded.

 

So you wanna be included in the group that "knows Despot so well" in regards to the way I scumhunt, yet you don't know my gender. Really?

 

The bolded and the case against me furthered my feeling that he actually might be town. He's making logical point and while keeping his vote on his prime suspect he points out things that stand out to him. (Scumhunting basically).

 

Still catching up but apparently AJ bleeds burnt orange so he's obviously not scum.

Unvote

:tongue:

This unvote without further explanation makes me wonder if I was right about him being scum. After spending time making sense and scumhunting, he backs off him top suspect because?... Doesn't feel like a town move to me.

 

 

Ok, now to go look at AJ's posts to clarify for him and others that asked, while I have a chance at the computer.

Here I point out the reasons why I'm leaning towards voting Des and make a case for it.

 

 

Vote Count


AJ (1) - Ame
Kaylee (2) - Leelou, Peace
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

No Lynch (1) - Wombat

Not Voting:, Hallia, Puppets, Xthrax

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

Deadline Link

This is the VC Prior to Des having a train...

 

 

well then.. id have to agree im am a feels player.. walls of logic and texted loopholes aint my thing. Im not sure about this doc thing but if he's fake well find out soon enough and we got an assured lynch. Im not going to consider a no lynch though. And since my number one pick is out of commission

 

unvote vote des

You are correct that Amgea was the first to vote Des.

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@TG: Fair enough. You have proven that he likes to claim town in both basic and advanced games. It however still doesn’t disprove my point that you were trying to get him lynched without looking at the situation from an objective point of view. If he were to claim to be town then you wouldn’t have believed him because like you said he does that all the time so it becomes a null tell and it also gets him lynched more often than not, but if he were to try and change his meta then you would have again attacked him for it because he is behaving differently than what you are used to seeing from him. I can only guess what his reasoning was for not claiming to be town in this game, but I do find you suspicious for wanting to get him lynched only because of a change in meta that isn't alignment indicative. It looks to me that you aren’t interested in scumhunting and are only looking for the easiest ways to get rid of players.

 

It isn't true that he never claimed to be town as mafia.

 

 

 

Amega? Really? I’m willing to switch to X if it would make you feel any better about me. I don't care as long as both he and TG are the ones who end up getting lynched.

 

 

The paragraph: This is a reasonable response for the most part.  It does become closer to a null tell with over use.

 

However, as to the next line, find me an example where CS early claimed town when he was scum.  You can't because he never has.  Yes he has claimed town when under pressure and about to get lynched, but never the insta-claim.  Not as scum.

 

Bolded:  You're willing to switch for town cred?  Are you that worried about looking town?

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Vote Count

 

TGlems (2) - Cloud, Amega

Wombat (5) - TGlems, Leelou, Kaylee, Hallia, Verbal

Amega (2) - Peace, Wombat

 

Not Voting - Xthrax

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline is set for Monday February 24th at 11:00 PM CST

 

Deadline Link

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Verbal, I am disappoint.

 

Wanna cookie?

 

 

 

 

Love how all these people who haven't made a single meaningful vote are calling me out for switching my votes.  Cowards.

 

It isn't that you've switched your votes - it is the method & context by which you've done so.  It doesn't jive with the rest of your posts recently, and more specifically - you mention me as a top 3 and then never discuss me again.  And now you chide me as if I'm a clueless townie.  I thought I'm a scum pick for you?  Why would you be disappointed, then?

Posted

Vote Count

 

TGlems (2) - Cloud, Amega

Wombat (4) - TGlems, Leelou, Kaylee, Hallia

Amega (2) - Peace, Wombat

 

Not Voting - Xthrax, Verbal

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline is set for Monday February 24th at 11:00 PM CST

 

Deadline Link

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