[Basic] Reboot Mafia Game MAFIA WINS

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Mod Note: I also like making mod notes.

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My apologies. I don't take it as serious as you do.

[amegakure]

Verbal i sorta got the same feeling when i saw that... and i guess i dont understand why the meta bothered him. But i feel bad putting a vote on cloud... he's pulling out all the stops.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

My apologies. I don't take it as serious as you do.

 

My first game I ran I saw way too many of them, so I don't take it so relaxed lol - it's really a personal issue, but no harm done.

[Verbal32]

 

(this catchup feels staged)

GFY. You know how much time I'm spending here analysing every little bit?

 

 

Sorry, I didn't catch that through all the tears.

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haha my use of a meta? what exactly are you trying to get at despo he lurks and i dont like it regardless of if he's town or scum. its bad play, if your not gonna contribute to the game there is little point in playing we cant use vague reads and random votes.

And if your talking about my vote on X. Then im lost with your logic on that as well.


Speaking of votes. your jumping off AJ cause why? he bleeds orange that is a horrible excuse for two people who had nothing but absolute conviction the other was scum yesterday and now it's like well ig they must be town cause they defended themselves.. and it's really making me consider a gambit. My vote stays where it is.

And ill be clear if we get a lynch on aj and he flips scum youll probably be next.

Im starting to lean towards a vote on Des. I know he goes for an aggressive approach but his reads have no strength behind them and he seems much to sporadic. between him and aj he is pinging the most.

Good posts from Amega. I especially liked how he FoS'd Despo for jumping off AJ by using a football joke. I don’t think he is the droid we are looking for.
 

Please note the people trying to push onto Kaylee, Peace, or Amega. These are also suspect.




Vote: AJ

Agreed.

 

Pretty simple: Following the rule of 25%, 1 of CS, Kaylee, Amega and Wombat should be scum. Obviously this isn't always true, but let's pretend it is here.

Let's not.

 

Yeah that was pretty terrible >.>

These three votes from Amega, Kay and Hallia on Despo when his train died make all three of them look great.

 

 

well then.. id have to agree im am a feels player.. walls of logic and texted loopholes aint my thing. Im not sure about this doc thing but if he's fake well find out soon enough and we got an assured lynch. Im not going to consider a no lynch though. And since my number one pick is out of commission

unvote vote des

AJ: it wasn't just your threats, it was also overstating how your town. Stood out to me.

Now that I'm back from date night I'll place my vote.

Vote Des

I was undecided on him, but his back off of AJ with basically no reason doesn't seem town behavior to me. He's been asked about it and posted since yet not addressed it.

Reading back it looks like you're right Kay, and I'm fine with putting a little pressure on him. Your retort Dessypoo?

Vote Des

 

I now like Peace less than before my reads on Amega and Kay drastically changed. He is back to null.

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(this catchup feels staged)

GFY. You know how much time I'm spending here analysing every little bit?

 

 

Sorry, I didn't catch that through all the tears.

 

 

I don't cry. I water my beard.

[Verbal32]

Stop replying to me and finish your fake catchup.

[Kaylee]

I'll admit, that was not easy to follow. Sometimes you quote within a box, and other times you simply type it in. And I can't follow how the bold interacts with the rest of the post, and whether the bold is yours or originally there.

 

 

@Cloud: Des' interaction with AJ does not clear Salami, and therefore you. I'm not sure how you're getting to that conclusion, tbh.

I didn't quote within a text if that's what your saying. As for it being confusing, I'll give a summary of my thoughts when I can get back to a computer. That's what I'll do for the rest too so it's easier to read.

[Tyler Glembo]

I feel I should address the CS thing.  First, I apologize.  I honestly did not mean to violate the rules in any way.  I always try hard to play within the spirit of the game.  I was trying to discuss his meta of working to clear himself as town early, often by claiming.  I erred in being too specific and saying, "recent games" so I apologize for that as I didn't even think about the rule of "ongoing games." 

 

I don't want any other ongoing games to affect this one, so please consider the 3 recent games I mentioned to be The hunger games, Startgate game, and Assassin's creed game as examples. All those game

 

That being said, I'll move on and leave it behind. 

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I haven’t read X’s case because it was giving me a headache but the WIM is strong in him. And while I’m already at the topic of readability AJ you should really start using more spacing between your paragraphs of text.

 

 

UNVOTE

VOTE DESPO

This vote from Peace on Despo also makes him look really good considering he could have just left it camped on Kay.

Huh, this confirmed my slight scummy feel on him. One mafia down.

I don't like this post. He is trying too hard to clear himself as town while he was one of the few who voted for Kay instead of Des.
 

 

 

 

@amega: doc claim or not, AJ can't be scum unless Kaylee is. Which is not impossible, but very unlikely.

Wait, what?

 

AJ ensured the Despo lynch by moving onto him and going to sleep. The only way I could see that happening is if we were running up scum-scum which is very unlikely.

 

I disagree. If there is no Doc in this game and scum got lucky with a fake claim, then the plan would easily be to set AJ up as the endgame scum player. Des would EASILY go along with that and get himself lynched (and therefore bussed) on D1. I would, too. So scum-AJ slowplaying the lynch to eventually bus a teammate in Des anyway is a solid scum move. But.......town-AJ would probably make the same slowplay, so it really is null. Kaylee can easily be town if AJ is scum.

 

Agreed.
 

That's a weird statement to make....

It wasn't a weird statement.
 

vote csarmi

Obv scum, way off town meta. Didn't d1 claim vanilla town, hasn't been engaged in the same way as he typically is, hasn't been pushing others or acting like he is pulling a town gambit.

Lol wtf is this for BS reason? Salami only claimed Vanilla on Day 1 in his last couple of games which ended up heavily backfiring for him, and now that he is trying to change that you are once again attacking him for it. It’s a loss-loss scenario for him and it isn’t fair. He hasn’t been engaged because he has been sick, and for him to plan town gambits he obviously needs to be around. It also ties in with the first point you are making which is that he hasn’t claimed Vanilla.
 

 

 

Let me get this straight. I'm way off town meta for being sick all D1?

You're off town meta for being off town meta. No D1 insta claim like you have in 3 out of 3 other recent games. No real pushing and playing around at how you, as town, is gambiting scum and will watch them slip as you do things out of ordinary. No real taking of data to be used in scumhunting. You're playing with a lot of WIL. Obvscum.

 

WIL =/= Obvscum when he has explained that he has been sick.

 

TG, you're playing against the spirit of the game. I won't be a party to it.

I'm not trying to defend Salami by using AtE, but you guys should know that he wouldn't ever bail out of a game as scum after he received a little pressure. Not only would it be against the spirit of the game which he is a strong advocate of, it would also put his replacement in a bad situation and therefore it also wouldn't be an effective move.

 

 

Claiming town is a null statement in a basic game.

I never argued that it was anything more than that.

But you consistently do it (not speaking of specific games, speaking of your typical play). And you haven't done it here. Meta, you're off it.

 

Read his post again. He is saying that claiming town is a null statement in a BASIC GAME. The games that you are referencing aren't basic. I disagree with Salami’s reasoning for claiming town in advanced games, but to each his own I guess.


If I go off the process of elimination I end up with X and TG being Despo’s teammates.

Vote TG

 

Should have time this afternoon to do at least one more. I'll also comment on Cloud's above post when I have time.

There is no need. I have a town read on you now.
 

I'll admit, that was not easy to follow. Sometimes you quote within a box, and other times you simply type it in. And I can't follow how the bold interacts with the rest of the post, and whether the bold is yours or originally there.


@Cloud: Des' interaction with AJ does not clear Salami, and therefore you. I'm not sure how you're getting to that conclusion, tbh.

It clears Salami because Despo ironically enough triggered his own scum tell by changing his scum read from Salami to a town read over basically nothing. He didn’t notice the same thing about AJ as Salami did because he quoted the exact same post but didn’t mention any of the things Salami did, but despite this a moment later he mentioned that he did which is an obvious lie. More importantly however we now know that Despo was scum and AJ was town, so he couldn’t have genuinely thought the same thing as Salami did in that situation.

 

 

 

I'll admit, that was not easy to follow. Sometimes you quote within a box, and other times you simply type it in. And I can't follow how the bold interacts with the rest of the post, and whether the bold is yours or originally there.


@Cloud: Des' interaction with AJ does not clear Salami, and therefore you. I'm not sure how you're getting to that conclusion, tbh.

I didn't quote within a text if that's what your saying. As for it being confusing, I'll give a summary of my thoughts when I can get back to a computer. That's what I'll do for the rest too so it's easier to read.

 

A summary of your reads would be great. Thank you.

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Consider me caught up. I started skimming through some of the posts from the people I had a town read on at the end of Day 1 but I know what was going on :D

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TLDR: X and TG are scum. Lynch either of them and follow me for the win!

[Tyler Glembo]

So, moving on...

 

Kaylee - town lean, tone of posts is good, seems consistently doubtful about des, puts her votes where her thoughts are

Wombat - scum lean, pushes Aj lynch and says to suspect anyone not on it laying the groundwork for future pushes, pushes NL instead of des lynch, pushes off Cs train

Verb - null

Amega - town-ish, defended despo, triest to push AJ off wombat which is all scummy, but then calls out des hard for backing of AJ in the manner he did which

Hally - thinking on reads similar to my own, votes follow posts

peace - town lean, started and secured the despo lynch

leelou - town lean, solid questioning of kay with good follow ups

Cloud - scum lean, Clouds catch-up was solid but even with being sick CS didn't follow his town meta while simultaneously trying to drive toward a kay lynch instead of des

X - town-ish, dont' like some of teh chainsaw defense but putting in work,

 

 

Top scum reads are Wombat and Clould, with Verb, X and Amega being possibles.  Top town reads are peace and lee.

 

vote wombat

[Hallia]

I'll be posting more today when I get home from work, Night ended while I was here, have a heck of a time doing this from work.

[Leelou]

Cloud I'm on the fence about. I was starting to feel a little bit better about salami, but then when day broke he still wasn't posting like his townie self. I still don't feel comfortable with wombat's posts. I'd also like to hear from Amega. 

 

vote Wombat

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

 

Wombat (2) TGlems, Leelou

 

Not Voting - Everyone

 

Deadline is set for Monday February 24th at 11:00 PM CST

 

Deadline Link

[peacesells]

Don't think Wombat is scum. 

[Leelou]

Don't think Wombat is scum. 

 

Think more disinterested? 

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Vote Count

 

Wombat (2) TGlems, Leelou

 

Not Voting - Everyone

 

Deadline is set for Monday February 24th at 11:00 PM CST

 

Deadline Link

 

 

I voted for TG

 

 

Don't think Wombat is scum. 

 

I don't think he is either.

[Verbal32]

 

vote csarmi

 

Obv scum, way off town meta. Didn't d1 claim vanilla town, hasn't been engaged in the same way as he typically is, hasn't been pushing others or acting like he is pulling a town gambit.

Lol wtf is this for BS reason? Salami only claimed Vanilla on Day 1 in his last couple of games which ended up heavily backfiring for him, and now that he is trying to change that you are once again attacking him for it. It’s a loss-loss scenario for him and it isn’t fair. He hasn’t been engaged because he has been sick, and for him to plan town gambits he obviously needs to be around. It also ties in with the first point you are making which is that he hasn’t claimed Vanilla.

 

 

Are you really using RL as the defense here?  The better course of action for you is to discuss the merit of Salami's posts prior to him emo-quitting.  His last few posts work very strongly against your best interests, which would be not getting lynched.  As I said before, it really makes me want to think he's scum (and therefore you) for emo-quitting after a poorly constructed case from TGlems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me get this straight. I'm way off town meta for being sick all D1?

You're off town meta for being off town meta. No D1 insta claim like you have in 3 out of 3 other recent games. No real pushing and playing around at how you, as town, is gambiting scum and will watch them slip as you do things out of ordinary. No real taking of data to be used in scumhunting. You're playing with a lot of WIL. Obvscum.

 

WIL =/= Obvscum when he has explained that he has been sick.

 

TG, you're playing against the spirit of the game. I won't be a party to it.

I'm not trying to defend Salami by using AtE, but you guys should know that he wouldn't ever bail out of a game as scum after he received a little pressure. Not only would it be against the spirit of the game which he is a strong advocate of, it would also put his replacement in a bad situation and therefore it also wouldn't be an effective move.

 

Just stop posting this junk. You are introducing a ton of WIFOM, and it does nothing to help. It only makes me want to lynch you more to remove the distraction and WIFOM from the game.

 

And don't assume anybody is a "strong advocate" of something.  I can take you to a game not that long ago where playing outside the spirit of the game would be about as gross an understatement as you could make.......and it involved Salami.

 

So don't make subjective statements that you can't support.

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Are you really using RL as the defense here?

I honestly have no clue if he actually was sick or not, but I choose to trust him on his word for it just as I would trust anyone else who would make such a statement.

 

The better course of action for you is to discuss the merit of Salami's posts prior to him emo-quitting.

I haven’t really been that focused on Salami while I was catching up but I did notice that I disagreed with him on quite a few things. I know that I’m town, but it can still be difficult at times to grasp his thought process behind some his moves. Him pushing for Kaylee’s lynch at the end of Day 1 was terrible and he certainly could have defended himself better against TG. I give you that. Your vote on him however wasn’t that well thought out.

 

As I said before, it really makes me want to think he's scum (and therefore you) for emo-quitting after a poorly constructed case from TGlems.

I understand that, but you also seem to realize that TG made a poor case against him.

 

Just stop posting this junk. You are introducing a ton of WIFOM, and it does nothing to help. It only makes me want to lynch youmore to remove the distraction and WIFOM from the game.

Like I said I believe him the same way as I would for example believe you if you said that you were sick and therefore couldn’t be as active as you normally would be. If you however don’t see that as a valid explanation then at least think about what I said as it not being a logical move to ask to get replaced in such a situation because you don’t solve the problem with it. You are only delaying it.

 

And don't assume anybody is a "strong advocate" of something. I can take you to a game not that long ago where playingoutside the spirit of the game would be about as gross an understatement as you could make.......and it involved Salami.

 

So don't make subjective statements that you can't support.

 

I have only played with Salami on DM so my thoughts about him as a player are only based on those games. He might have played outside the spirit of the game somewhere else but I have no way of knowing that. I think he has learned from his mistakes though.

 

 

Anyway, you are right that it isn't cool of me to defend Salami by bringing up his RL but I only meant it as a way to explain his inactivity and I will drop that part of his defense here unless you want to continue with it.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Sorry Cloud

 

Vote Count

 

Tglems (1) - Cloud

Wombat (2) TGlems, Leelou

 

Not Voting - Everyone Else

 

Deadline is set for Monday February 24th at 11:00 PM CST

 

Deadline Link

[WolfbrotherKronos]

I have a guest tonight and will be at a friends tomorrow night so at those times, I will not be getting in vote counts a lot...feel free to post unofficial ones as needed.

[peacesells]

Verbal...any thoughts on those not named Cloud?