[Basic] Reboot Mafia Game MAFIA WINS

[Verbal32]

This hurts the eyes.

[Leelou]

Quote blocks. *dies* 

[WWWwombat]

You need to get your optic auto-glaze protocols updated.

[Xthrax]

Next Wombat-

Excellent Day 1 so far.

 

AJ comes in with a completely overdone Darthe act and Despo goes nuts on him.  Both start garnering votes.  Multiple people bring up gambit possibility.  Consequentially, WIFOM and FoSes abound.  Then AJ comes back with the "LOL I WAS DRUNK" excuse for backpedaling and Despo does a cryptic unvote on AJ.  AJ picks an easy target (amega) and tries to make a scumslip out of something that isn't a scumslip by putting words in his mouth.  Despo jumps all over it.  Both of these guys are dirty.  They want to fight but don't want to lynch.  Classic overdistancing.

 

Please note the people trying to push onto Kaylee, Peace, or Amega.  These are also suspect.

 

 

 

 

Vote: AJ

Agree with the part about AJ and Des. Why should we watch the trains on Kaylee, Peace or Amega? Does something give you a good feel about them?

 

 

@CS - the meta is pretty spot on. Most would likely agree that a lurking CS = scum CS. I saw your comment about getting sick which is all good but for me when you are commenting on other matters instead of addressing direct posts to you and leaving your vote on me looks sketchy. Your commentary towards Amega was also a bit redundant.

@Verb - Null isn't always troubling early on but in this case I find his posts to be a little guarded. His first post asks about siggie rotations, several pages later all he wants to know is why I RVS'd him and makes a comment that he thinks Despo is off without adding any support to it.

@Wombat - I think you should double check your statement. I poked Amega a bit for the Peace comment but follow up later saying I don't think it was an actual slip on his part. He explained his thoughts behind it well enough to understand why he chose his wording IMO.

Let's do this.

Hard claim: I am Phong. Doc.

We've got about 3 more days before DL to secure a lynch so I don't want anymore time wasted on me. I think any of Kaylee, CS and wombat are good wagons. Kaylee's timing of her read change doesn't match the flow of the thread. She says her mind changed after Despo started to address other issues in regards to me but this happened prior to her saying she'd vote either of us. CS I gave thoughts on already. Wombat's OP and joining one of the lead wagons is suspect IMO. He doesn't provide any sort of analysis of his own as to why he feels anyone pushing those other players should be suspect while also saying I am only more interested in rhetoric.

 

I hate you so much.  Playing like a clown, OMGUSing people who call you on it, and then claiming doc at L - 3 with 3 days left?  That is straight up terrible.  Have you been chasing the Phoenix?

 

 

Not a clue where I'm standing, re-read not possible without a working brain.

 

Get it working  Or else.

 

 

 

Don't know that I buy your claim. My reads change as I read and rethink things. Also I thought we weren't allowed to claim character or roles...

 

 

The reason I'm not sure about your claim is your play hasn't come across as town to me.

 

 

Regardless of the above, we aren't lynching an uncountered Doc claim on D1.

 

 

Agreed.  Got mixed feelings on AJ's claim, but there's no way we're lynching him for it today.

 

 

 

unvote

 

Vote: No Lynch

 

 

 

Feeling better about Des after reread.  We have 12 players in the game.  Mafia is obviously Megabyte, Hack, and Slash imo.  Hex may be in the game as SK or may not.  If not, no lynch is a good move here.  Even number of players favors scum, so if we NL and scum kills, we've actually forced them to give us info without disadvantaging ourselves much.

 

If Hex is an SK, then at least we'll know it when we make our decision tomorrow.

I really don't know much about the story. So can't really determine much about what you said-I will try to read about the story though. 

 

 

Wombat (1) misreps me in his OP by saying that I found a reason to call Amega scum by calling Peace town. This is untrue. I pointed it out but haven't pushed him for it although it is generally something to consider later once we have more to work on. (2) He pushes that Despo and I are both dirty because our interactions were blatant over-distancing and then say that Despo is latching onto my reasoning for Amega. I reveal my role and character and his immediate reply is anger and telling me how terrible I am. Get over yourself, firstly, and secondly this reads to me as frustration that his transparent mislynch vote will be made more obvious. He follows this up by now claiming that Despo looks better on reread. This is alarming considering how his first post a page back would have had to come after reading the thread initially where he had already decided that Despo and I were scummates. Now he is suddenly looking better, but through what interaction? He had already formulated the theory that we were both scum distancing to start and then working together against Amega. Was it my claim that changed his perspective? Maybe, but why would that necessarily clear Despo if he even slightly believed that I was town? Lastly, his NL policy. What he says about it is true based on the even number of players to start D1, but to me it comes across as him attempting to look more townish by suggesting we NL. This could also indicate a desire that he doesn't wish to lynch scum, which is really our only avenue of winning. NK analysis in general is less dependable than a completed wagon information wise, and it also allows the scum team to pick off people with low amounts of posts (such as X) to avoid giving away too many interaction tells. In short, the idea sounds pro-town on its face but I get the feeling it's actually a scum agenda.

 

P-edit: @Kaylee - after reading your last posts it seems the biggest problem you have with me is that I used a threatening tone, which is more of a personal opinion than actual scumtell. While I don't think your reasoning was very good in the first place, the quotes you finally provided of Despo in regards to your change of tune towards him are the same ones I was thinking of when I talked about his meta. Your thoughts are congruent with mine so that makes me feel a little better about you.

 

 

1.  Wasn't a misrep.  I'll pull the quotes and show everyone.

 

2.  Actually, it's frustration that you played like a clown and then claimed doc at L - 3 with plenty of time left on D1.  A town doc should do everything he can to stay undercover.  You did the exact opposite.  Hence the EP reference.

 

3.  Why are you wasting time making up reasons for why I might have changed my Des read?  You have no idea why I did it.

 

4.  People hate no lynches here.  If I wanted to try to look pro-town, suggesting a no lynch would not be how I did it.  And I haven't cleared anyone.  I simply have a mixed read on Des.

 

From what I garner from this-you say that people hate no lynches and if you wanted to look town you would not suggest a no lynch. So what kind of read are you trying to give others exactly?

 

 

 

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ

 

honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.

 

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part.  never been a fan of town lurking.

 

So you know Peace is town then?

 

 

This is a leading question designed to imply that Amega is scum.  He associates Amega's statement with what is seen as a very strong scumtell (a priori alignment knowledge).  He doesn't outright say "I think Amega is scum" but the effect is almost as strong.  With the added benefit that should anyone call him on it, he can backtrack.  This is a scummy tactic.

 

 

 

 

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ

honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part. never been a fan of town lurking.

So you know Peace is town then?

This looks like a good catch to me. Amega's use of meta to justify it after the fact doesn't satisfy me.

Vote Amega

Would also be willing to lynch Kaylee. Her flip flop on me and AJ does look pretty scummy.

 

 

Des drops the "good catch" sheep of a crap argument scumtell.  Given Des' meta, this is utter WIFOM.

 

 

 

I guess but they dont have to think logically at all hence the fact that they already know. im relying on the laws of probability to tell me there's more of a chance; you for example are town.Then if i feel that your game play slips i will question that. Honestly i feel as if a scum player wouldnt try to break the natural ways of playing and come off different from the group in anyway. Im willing to voice that i play differently and look at things from a different perspective, but so far ive done better than how i played in 2012

Correct me if I'm wrong here but you are basically saying you are only going to end up calling out town players based on this process. You say that you look for deviations but immediately follow that up by saying scum will try hardest to blend in with the group.

 

 

Pointed questioning of Amega.  The logical argument AJ makes here is solid, but Amega is more of a feel player and has never been very good at formulating airtight arguments, so combined with his earlier implication of scumminess on Amega, this just looks like more of AJ going after low-hanging fruit to save his own skin, which is at best lazy town play and at worst scum play.

 

 

@CS - I would appreciate if you would address my 109.

I'd be willing to lynch out of Kaylee, CS and SP atm. Amega's posts read to me as reasonable enough after he explained himself a little more but I still find his POE a little odd. The town comment on Peace could've been a slip but I don't think it's lynch worthy as of yet. CS seems to sniping and only commenting on little tidbits here and there. His vote as been parked on me as well although he has been posting but not really pushing his supposed scum read.

 

This is waffling doodoo.  Amega seems reasonable, but odd and his comment could have been a slip, but AJ doesn't think it's lynchworthy as of yet.  Seriously, could you nudge and hedge your bets on Amega any more AJ?

 

 

 

 

So, anyone else feel that Despot is off? Cause...I don't think he's town

I'd actually be more inclined to think that you are scum because of posts like this. You are very null for me atm which is troubling.

Why is a null on D1 troubling?

 

 

This is a very good question btw.  A null on D1 is not troubling at all.  It's normal.  Looks like AJ is trying to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks.

 

 

@CS - the meta is pretty spot on. Most would likely agree that a lurking CS = scum CS. I saw your comment about getting sick which is all good but for me when you are commenting on other matters instead of addressing direct posts to you and leaving your vote on me looks sketchy. Your commentary towards Amega was also a bit redundant.

@Verb - Null isn't always troubling early on but in this case I find his posts to be a little guarded. His first post asks about siggie rotations, several pages later all he wants to know is why I RVS'd him and makes a comment that he thinks Despo is off without adding any support to it.

@Wombat - I think you should double check your statement. I poked Amega a bit for the Peace comment but follow up later saying I don't think it was an actual slip on his part. He explained his thoughts behind it well enough to understand why he chose his wording IMO.

Let's do this.

Hard claim: I am Phong. Doc.

We've got about 3 more days before DL to secure a lynch so I don't want anymore time wasted on me. I think any of Kaylee, CS and wombat are good wagons. Kaylee's timing of her read change doesn't match the flow of the thread. She says her mind changed after Despo started to address other issues in regards to me but this happened prior to her saying she'd vote either of us. CS I gave thoughts on already. Wombat's OP and joining one of the lead wagons is suspect IMO. He doesn't provide any sort of analysis of his own as to why he feels anyone pushing those other players should be suspect while also saying I am only more interested in rhetoric.

 

 

Point on CS is valid, but it's D1, so I'm pretty sure we can give CS some time to settle in.  It's not like he's going to disappear.  If he doesn't pick it up, we lynch him.  Pressuring him right now is useless.

 

Response to Verb is crap.  The first post is irrelevant.  The second could be noobishness.  The third is straight up scummy.  Why AJ would get a "troubling" null read on him from those posts I have no idea.

 

Response to me is a sloppy backtrack.  AJ didn't say he didn't think Amega slipped.  He backtracked to saying that Amega's comment "could be a slip."  That prepares him to back off later on while still leaving room for a bandwagon vote should Amega's train shape up.  Opportunistic and slimy.

 

 

 

 

Seriously, if AJ hadn't claimed doc, I wouldn't be voting anyone else right now.  As it is, the only reason I'm for keeping him alive is because it puts the mafia in a bind.  They know that if a doc who isn't AJ shows up dead that AJ dies next.

 

You reads on AJ agree with mine particularly the part about him trying to implicate Peace as scum without actually pointing fingers.

 

 

2. Your idea of how someone should play holds no bearing on me. So again, get over yourself. There is no hand-written book somewhere of how mafia should be played as a certain role or alignment. I play how I play and generally think that I am an asset to my team. I reacted badly to Despo's original vote on me and am working to shed the negative light that put on me. You made me the lead wagon with about 48 hours to go until DL so I felt it appropriate to claim so we could focus elsewhere. You can say that my focus on you is OMGUS but generally I have an easier time discerning a player's motivation when the interaction is with me directly. Different play styles. You don't have to like it but that doesn't mean that I am terrible by any means.

 

 

You can say that all you want.  Doesn't make it true.  I'm very accepting of differing playstyles as long as they work.  Look at the results of your play thus far.  You have distorted much of the D1 action to focus on you so that you can use OMGUS as a crutch to avoid actual scumhunting.  And if you are actually town, you have outed the town doc on D1 with your reckless play.  This is anti-town no matter how you slice it.

 

 

 

Some reads before work.  (btw..when stuck on day shift my activity typically sux.  It will pick up this weekend.)

 

Wombat - He hasn't pushed the no lynch angle for quite awhile.   A bit strange that he is picking this game to bring it back up.  Could be a meta hide. AJ pointed out his contradiction on anyone pushing against Kaylee or me.  I'd like to here an answer to that. 

 

Kaylee - Still a scum read from her.

 

Despo - Wait and see with him.  He has really been pushing his meta of thin reasonings in all games lately.  I'll need some vote analysis on him to mix in with his posts to read him.

 

Amega -  A bit of a contradiction.  Really doesn't like how little I've posted but then says he plays completely by gut...which is another way to hide ones alignment.

 

AJ -  Very eager for a DOC...but unlike Wombat, I can see playing that way.  It's basically a get out of jail free card that allows you to go all willy nilly cause you can always claim doc and save your self.  And then protect yourself at night.  I've done it to try and throw the scum team off before.

 

Csarmi - this has become his meta of late.  not really participating.  A man of extremes.  Had some criticism of his style before so he's going to the opposite end of the spectrum.  Maybe he can find a balance somewhere.  Null read at this point.

 

Hallia - Back to take pot shots, sheeping other people, hedging her comments.  Her last post about voting Despooey for pressure is pretty bad. Slight scum read.

 

Verbal - Scummy, just gotta trust me on that.  I've gotten pretty comfortable on my Verbal reads as of late. 

 

 

Thats all the time I have for now before heading to work.

 

 

I push the no lynch angle when I feel it's a good time to push it.  I haven't played in a while so maybe that's why you don't remember it lately, but I do it fairly regularly.

 

I agree on Des.

 

Playing Doc the way you described is anti-town and selfish.  Getting outed and having to self-protect from then on hurts the town a ton.

 

Agree on Hallia.  Not sure on Verb yet.

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't contradict myself at all.  Just because I say that a certain action is suspect doesn't mean I need to push everyone who does it.  Kaylee and Amega are towntelling all over the place and Peace is always pretty scummy so for now I'm withholding judgment.

 

Can you answer my question about the 12 alive NL not hurting town please?

 

 

 

Sure.  Assuming 9 town, 3 mafia, and 1 kill per night, that means we have 2 mislynches.  If we mislynch twice, we are down to 5 town, 3 mafia.  At that point, a mislynch ends the game.  It would be preferable to go to 4 town, 3 mafia before lynching, taking us from MyLo to LyLo.  In other words, no lynching at some point will probably be advantageous.  It doesn't have to be D1, but we have the least info on D1 and therefore much to gain by waiting.

 

 

 

Anyway, time to put my vote somewhere useful.

 

unvote

Vote: Des

This is a pressure vote? 

 

I agree with your reasoning for AJ, but the no lynch-really not a fan.

 

Until now what you've seems to be solid. Seems town.

[Xthrax]

This hurts the eyes.

 

I'm really sorry, but there were so many posts. I have used green from the next post onwards to highlight my points.

[Kaylee]

I never said I thought Des was town. I said I was unsure about him. I explained why. Never said we should lose a town PR or a potential one, I just hadn't unvoted yet.

[Xthrax]

Vote: Amega

 

Really just one thing i wanted to ask you as the rest be similar to my thoughts on AJ. 

 

Amega, why? 

[Xthrax]

I never said I thought Des was town. I said I was unsure about him. I explained why. Never said we should lose a town PR or a potential one, I just hadn't unvoted yet.

 

There are quite a number of your posts where you say that Des seems like town to you, where you said 'these are the posts that made you think he's town'. And the rest of my questions? 

[WWWwombat]

Agree with the part about AJ and Des. Why should we watch the trains on Kaylee, Peace or Amega? Does something give you a good feel about them?

I feel good about Kaylee and Amega. Both are coming off as town to me. Especially Amega. Peace is an easy target, so I'd be skeptical of anyone pushing him without good reason.

 

 

From what I garner from this-you say that people hate no lynches and if you wanted to look town you would not suggest a no lynch. So what kind of read are you trying to give others exactly?

I'm not really trying to appear townie or scummy yet. I don't really care too much about avoiding heat so much as catching scum. If I catch scum, you'll know what to think.

[Xthrax]

I forgot to give my read on Verbal in the previous post so

Verbal-null so far

 

Next is Des-There are a lot of posts in the Des and AJ spate so if I quote I might end up exceeding the limit a lot. So to just give a few points.

 

Like I've said before, Des if you think that a jovial tone indiactes scum-would the town be supposed to have a bored tone and be uninterested in the game? A really not solid reasons for starting the vote. But if you were looking for reactions, you've got some then. 

Your subsequent reasoning seems good on the fact that its based on AJ's threats.

 

Guys, you're being transparent. Go back to your scum QT and come up with a better act.

vote AJ

Scummy tone (especially #58 and digging the grave aspect).

... But my gut tells me both of them are.

 

 

I did.

Basically, I don't like the how (and when) you're switching between the cool, the overjoking and the rational. I don't think I can explain it better.

And yea I think this clash looks somewhat forced. Not sure why, but it gives me the impression that it's staged. I think there's a good chance that both of you are scum.

 

Pretty sure I found one of AJ's teammates^

 

Def a common scum tactic to come in and fos two people who are both going @ each other and call it a possible gambit. In this case tho, seeing you vote AJ, I'm pretty sure you're his scumbuddy and you wanna leave the door open to try and lynch me after he flips scum. Won't work dude.

 

Because Despo is dumb. More importantly he is stubborn as town, to a fault, so if he is pushed off his stances easily this is a good indicator that he is roled as scum. What about those two posts you mention give you a scum vibe? What about our interaction seems forced? I dislike your linkage of me and Despo. It gives me the feel that you know our alignments and the vote on me vs. him tells me you are somewhat distancing at the same time agreeing with his case. What specifically makes you think I am scum? If you were to flip scum I wouldn't at all be surprised if he did as well.

 

I'm dumb eh? Cool story bro.

 

Incidentally I actually disagree with your meta assessment of me. I kind of pride myself on being able to keep from tunneling too much and not being too stubborn with reads. I think what you are reading as stubborness is just my aggressiveness. I go all out at peeps I think are scum, even if there's not that much to go on. I figure I have to compensate for others who might vote or fos but don't follow it up with the right amount of pressure. Once I have determined that my target is likely town however, I'll back off and pursue a lead elsewhere.

 

Not sure at all what you are saying. What it sounds like is you are using words to justify your believe but in the end you don't actually have anything varifiable to back it up.

You scum Salami? I'd like to think that since you are actually posting that you are town, but your POV doesn't exactly add up IMO. Help me to understand.

 

#DAT DISTANCING

 

Agree with the part about AJ and CS.

 

 

@Des: I disagree with your statement of calling potential gambit being a scumtell. Nothing wrong if a townie wants to mention that as an FYI and a statement on how they are viewing the situation.

Ugh, lulz phase was too quick! I'm scumhunting already?! What is this nonsense?!?!

 

It's not really that reliable of a scumtell since townies can very easily be paranoid of a gambit when there's a big back and forth between two players, but I do think it's a scumtell. I've seen scum employ it before when one of their own was "outed" by a strong town leader before as a way to try and get a mislynch on the townie the next day, and saying it seems like a gambit allows them to distance from their teammate as well as link them to a townie.

 

Even worse, in the case that I'm wrong about AJ and this is town on town violence, scum can sit back and call it a gambit, thereby not taking a true side on the whole affair and letting it dominate discussion for a lot longer. And it can make it look like they didn't "know" either player was town, cause they "thought" it was a gambit. See what I mean?

 

Thing is I think calling something a gambit between two players before either's alignment is known or before the situation has even fully played out is somewhat premature. Say we lynch AJ and he turns out to be scum. Does that mean I should be lynched next? A number of people on thread apparently seem to think so. I find this to be a way of setting up a lynch on me in the future if I'm right, and likely suspicion on me anyways if I'm wrong. Puts me in a no-win situation, all because I boldly called out something I saw on someone and he OMGUS'd.

 

 

@Des: I disagree with your statement of calling potential gambit being a scumtell. Nothing wrong if a townie wants to mention that as an FYI and a statement on how they are viewing the situation.

Ugh, lulz phase was too quick! I'm scumhunting already?! What is this nonsense?!?!

The bold is part of what makes me think they are pulling a gambit.

 

uh, what? Just before this you said you thought it was a gambit cause- oh hell I'll just quote it:

 

For me it's that and suddenly, after they go back and forth a bit, AJ has list of potential suspects, supposedly based off meta. The problem I have with that is Leelou is on the list after Des mentions her, and for weak reasons

 

So Salami says why he thinks it's a gambit, you state something different to help support that it's a gambit, then change your story to saying you think it's a gambit because I said calling a back and forth between two players a gambit early on is a scumtell? That literally makes zero sense, and you changing your story is a gigantic ping for me.

 

For vebal's sanity and cause it seemed fitting!

 

I have to say that my first thoughts where scum tells on aj but a few times i got a gambit feeling. I'd have to say im leaning more town on despo if anyone. Even though the starting case seemed pretty hollow aj didnt hold up well with pressure. But the more it went the akwarder the casing looked for both sides. im not going to dismiss a gambit for that reason but im not totally convince of it yet. That would just be way to optimistic for a realist like me. 

 

Also i didnt care for AJ's use of meta's like that! go ahead and tell scum exactly how not to behave this game. Wasn't found of that.

 

Yay someone else mentioning that AJ and I's interaction could be a gambit

 

 

Vote Des
Why vote Des? To get a train started there with a second vote instead of putting AJ at 4 votes. I can switch my vote to AJ if need be.

So do you think AJ and Des are scum? Because right now you are following AJ onto Des and threw in some I can switch distancing in there.

 

This^

 

Good post from Leelou imo. Makes me feel a bit better about her.

 

Alright, back again and sober today.

 

Des, I stand by what I said. Perhaps my point wasn't made very well last night cause I was rambling a bit, so I'll try to clarify. Basically your case boils down to you saying that I come across as 'jovial' to you and this is an indicator that I received a scum PM and am excited about it. The issue I have with this is simple: You are only applying it in one direction. Why couldn't someone be excited because they got a town PM? I have a hard time believing that you didn't come to this conclusion on your own. If anything that reason should be considered null. So, like I said... I will crush you if this is what you are going to bring against me Really the only thing that you have mentioned against me that could be substantial was my saying killed vs lynched, but I think the point was clear. Eliminate, remove, knock out, etc they all mean the same thing. Fortunately you are exhibiting some of that narcissist Des behavior where you tunnel players and essentially call everything they say scummy, so townie points for that. It's annoying as hell, but it makes me think you could be town.

 

unvote

 

@Salami - Could you elaborate what you think is scummy in my post 58? I've seen you bring it up a few times now and frankly I'm unable to follow your thought process. Also, to answer your question in general I wouldn't say I would automatically be suspicious of everyone that attacks me. That's just part of the game. Their reasoning is a big thing for me, so Des was included on that list for his original vote reasoning. I also aren't following with what you were saying about my 'would like to think' you're town thing. You can disregard my meta read but I find it generally useful early in the game. A lurky CS is usually a scum CS, so in this instance you actually posting would make me lean the other direction based on that alone. I'd like you to explain more of your thought process though, plz.

 

I liked Amega's post. I'm sort of surprised the first thing people thought of was some sort of gambit. I dislike Kaylee's 'could go either way thing', I'm also unable to see where she got the idea of a distancing gambit based on that bolded quote she posted.

 

vote Kaylee

 

Alright so first of all: Holy Backtrack Batman! You start getting some votes cause people see you as the obviously scummier one between us, so you suddenly think I "could be" town now. Biiiig surprise.

 

 

As for the rest-

 

Bold: Cause you're much more likely to see a town PM than a scum one, just due to the laws of probability. If you see something a lot more often, you're not going to be as surprised to see it. Plus you could have gotten roled onto a scum team with people you really like, I know that gets me excited when I see the same.

 

Italics: Oh come on bro. It's day 1. Suuuuch a scummy tactic to go "All you really got on me is _____". Anyways, no- I don't think the point was clear. You were threatening to kill me and crush me, and several times implied that you could have me killed even if you were already dead. To me, that's as good as claiming scum. And yet you don't even really address this point when others bring it up.

 

Underlined: Why do you like Amega's post then? He brought up the gambit thing too... and btw nice distancing attempt with Kaylee.

 

She was making something out of nothing hallia, i think we're all agreed thats how she scumhunts to look for reactions. and while im not deciding if their was a gambit at play you seem quick to push off the reactions aj has made due to Despo's play. Nothing at all seemed scummy in his post or even together? Did you feel as if a gambit was possible? your read seems rather vague. 

 

@ bolded.

 

So you wanna be included in the group that "knows Despot so well" in regards to the way I scumhunt, yet you don't know my gender. Really?

 

All this stuff about gambit makes me think theres a lesser chance there might be a gambit.

 

Still catching up but apparently AJ bleeds burnt orange so he's obviously not scum.

Unvote

You seemed so sure, why the backtrack?

 

 

 

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ

honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part. never been a fan of town lurking.

So you know Peace is town then?

This looks like a good catch to me. Amega's use of meta to justify it after the fact doesn't satisfy me.

Vote Amega

Would also be willing to lynch Kaylee. Her flip flop on me and AJ does look pretty scummy.

 

On this part, I really don't think its a slip. He said he's not a fan of town lurking, not that he's not a fan of Peace town lurking. I think you might misconstruing what he said.

 

The read on you is a slight scummy feel. Nothing much substanial yet, but coupled with your first reason and that supposed catch of Amega, it seems suspicious

[Leelou]

 

This hurts the eyes.

 

I'm really sorry, but there were so many posts. I have used green from the next post onwards to highlight my points.

 

 

That's even worse! 

[WWWwombat]

Not a pressure vote (although I wouldn't announce it if it were).  I still have misgivings about Des and the no lynch clearly isn't happening, so voting Des is the best move right now to keep the game moving in a productive direction.

[Xthrax]

Amega-

For vebal's sanity and cause it seemed fitting!

 

I have to say that my first thoughts where scum tells on aj but a few times i got a gambit feeling. I'd have to say im leaning more town on despo if anyone. Even though the starting case seemed pretty hollow aj didnt hold up well with pressure. But the more it went the akwarder the casing looked for both sides. im not going to dismiss a gambit for that reason but im not totally convince of it yet. That would just be way to optimistic for a realist like me. 

 

Also i didnt care for AJ's use of meta's like that! go ahead and tell scum exactly how not to behave this game. Wasn't found of that.

Agree with that part

 

wow.. for someone who tooth and nail proclaimed Des as scum yesterday you are jumping off the case rather quickly with a meta for a reasoning. Im thinking either your trying to get out of a corner or two we hit the nail on the head with the gambit and this is the only way to separate your self from despo. 

You say here that it's a gambit

 

She was making something out of nothing hallia, i think we're all agreed thats how she scumhunts to look for reactions. and while im not deciding if their was a gambit at play you seem quick to push off the reactions aj has made due to Despo's play. Nothing at all seemed scummy in his post or even together? Did you feel as if a gambit was possible? your read seems rather vague. 

While here you're undecided, so what is it?

 

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ

 

honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.

 

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part. never been a fan of town lurking.

This is the part that people say is a slip. Already explained in the other post on why I think it might be something else.

 

haha my use of a meta? what exactly are you trying to get at despo he lurks and i dont like it regardless of if he's town or scum. its bad play, if your not gonna contribute to the game there is little point in playing we cant use vague reads and random votes. 

 

And if your talking about my vote on X. Then im lost with your logic on that as well.

 

 

Speaking of votes. your jumping off AJ cause why? he bleeds orange that is a horrible excuse for two people who had nothing but absolute conviction the other was scum yesterday and now it's like well ig they must be town cause they defended themselves..  and it's really making me consider a gambit. My vote stays where it is.

 

And ill be clear if we get a lynch on aj and he flips scum youll probably be next.

Your vote on me? When did that happen? The Des part is good though

 

sure if you want to run with that go for it. You like to run will all kinds of illogical willy nilly ideas that make no sense and muck up the thread. Sorta like the gambit you and x played and respectively both jumped off for pathetic reasons.

 

And for the most part ill assume everyone is town. Logically you have more of a chance to be town then scum. Then you base your reads on what their do out of character or saying.

 

Meta may not be a sure fire way to prove innocence but it's certainly a tool to be used. I easily could have said he was scummy for the same post but he's falling into character of his last game. So i assume he's town lurking and not being beneficial. 

 

Also you have been asked to explain what you said twice and haven't done so? my scum reads are jumping up on you.

Me and Des again? When was this?

 

The part about assuming everyone is town. This gives more of a feel that a beforehand knowledge of people's alignment. You should never assume that someone is town before hand even though probability points that way, 'cause doing so gives you pre-concieved notion which might create a certain opinion on them all game.

 

Arnt we all pretty much casing town players and hoping we get a lucky read or find a slip. scum will try to blend but it doesnt always mean they will succeed. 

 

Im starting to lean towards a vote on Des. I know he goes for an aggressive approach but his reads have no strength behind them and he seems much to sporadic. between him and aj he is pinging the most. 

We are not hoping to get lucky-this could lead to a great chance for a mislynch.

 

thanks for the cryptic vote verbal. and i hope your on our side this time. With a character claim on one who so badly reeked of scum we're in quite the position. I doubt a real doc would waste their time claiming D1 even if AJ was faking. The cop could always do some work but once again that would provide an easy NK the following day if they claimed.

A real doc might have counter claimed as then it's a sure fire way to get a scum player.

 

well then.. id have to agree im am a feels player.. walls of logic and texted loopholes aint my thing. Im not sure about this doc thing but if he's fake well find out soon enough and we got an assured lynch. Im not going to consider a no lynch though. And since my number one pick is out of commission

 

unvote vote des

You say that you're a feels player, but then there must be some line of reasoning for that.

 

Your initial stuff was good but progressively gets suspicious. I'll wait and see but for now null

[Xthrax]

 

 

This hurts the eyes.

 

I'm really sorry, but there were so many posts. I have used green from the next post onwards to highlight my points.

 

 

That's even worse! 

 

What do you suggest then?

[Xthrax]

Hallia-

 

I agree with you that joviality is not a way to go about. As far as you pressure vote on Des, I'm not sure but do you have any reads on anyone? Who do you think is suspicious?

Null so far

 

 

 

VOTE DESPO

Got a strong eye on one other person as well. But, Despo is the first scum.

Care to say who else?

 

 

Funny you should say this...cause you are the other one.  In fact, you have take the lead spot UNVOTE  VOTE KAYLEE

 

 

VOTE DESPO

 

Got a strong eye on one other person as well.  But, Despo is the first scum. 

 

This is your 2nd post of the game and you start with claiming that someone is scum. Opportunistic? Seems to me like scum parroting what others have said hoping for an easy lynch on D1. Scum lean

 

 

This seems to be your go to move.  Using the word parroting.  It doesn't mean what you think it means.  Develop another move please...otherwise you'll just keep looking silly and I can keep avoiding having a real discussion with you.

 

Why do you think that Kaylee is the other scum?

 

Parroting to my knowledge means that you are simply repeating what others have said without solid reasons of your own-correct me if I'm wrong. You think that this is my go to word 'cause I used this in another game against you.

 

You also say that Kaylee, Verbal and Des are your main suspects. Reasons?

 

Some reads before work.  (btw..when stuck on day shift my activity typically sux.  It will pick up this weekend.)

 

Wombat - He hasn't pushed the no lynch angle for quite awhile.   A bit strange that he is picking this game to bring it back up.  Could be a meta hide. AJ pointed out his contradiction on anyone pushing against Kaylee or me.  I'd like to here an answer to that. 

 

Kaylee - Still a scum read from her.

 

Despo - Wait and see with him.  He has really been pushing his meta of thin reasonings in all games lately.  I'll need some vote analysis on him to mix in with his posts to read him.

 

Amega -  A bit of a contradiction.  Really doesn't like how little I've posted but then says he plays completely by gut...which is another way to hide ones alignment.

 

AJ -  Very eager for a DOC...but unlike Wombat, I can see playing that way.  It's basically a get out of jail free card that allows you to go all willy nilly cause you can always claim doc and save your self.  And then protect yourself at night.  I've done it to try and throw the scum team off before.

 

Csarmi - this has become his meta of late.  not really participating.  A man of extremes.  Had some criticism of his style before so he's going to the opposite end of the spectrum.  Maybe he can find a balance somewhere.  Null read at this point.

 

Hallia - Back to take pot shots, sheeping other people, hedging her comments.  Her last post about voting Despooey for pressure is pretty bad. Slight scum read.

 

Verbal - Scummy, just gotta trust me on that.  I've gotten pretty comfortable on my Verbal reads as of late. 

 

 

Thats all the time I have for now before heading to work.

This fits like scum hunting, but then again you expect us to believe assumptions you make without reasons.

 

So far slight scum read to null.

 

SP-

Not really much. Why do you think that Des seems scum? And lastly, dude your opinions on the game so far?

Null

[Xthrax]

I'm having a headache now, gonna sleep. Will do Leelou, AJ and CS later. For the the person I suspect the most is Kaylee

 

Vote Kaylee

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

Kaylee (3) - Leelou, Peace, Xthrax
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

Des (4) - Ame, Kaylee, Hallia, Wombat

 

Not Voting: Puppets, Csarmi

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

Deadline Link

[Andrej]

I'm legitimately not interested in any wagon with Wombat on it.

 

How are you guys not finding his actions transparent?

 

Wombat - Why Des over SP since they are even in your scum list? This looks like opportunistic bandwagoning to me, especially since you could've voted him in the first place over your NL idea since according to you he was high on your scumdar. Like I've said, there is no genuine interest in finding scum on his part. HE IS TEH SCUM.

[csarmi]

What do you think about the other two vagons?

[peacesells]

I'm legitimately not interested in any wagon with Wombat on it.

 

How are you guys not finding his actions transparent?

 

Wombat - Why Des over SP since they are even in your scum list? This looks like opportunistic bandwagoning to me, especially since you could've voted him in the first place over your NL idea since according to you he was high on your scumdar. Like I've said, there is no genuine interest in finding scum on his part. HE IS TEH SCUM.

 

Just vote Kaylee.  Wombat doesn't want her lynched..so that should fit in your plans just fine.

[peacesells]

What do you think about the other two vagons?

 

 

What do YOU think at all?

[csarmi]

 

What do you think about the other two vagons?

 

 

What do YOU think at all?

 

I dunno. Thinking doesn't really work these days.

[peacesells]

 

Parroting to my knowledge means that you are simply repeating what others have said without solid reasons of your own-correct me if I'm wrong.

 

2 things wrong with this statement.  First you definition is only partially correct.  Parroting is repeating what others have said.  Has nothing to do with having solid reasoning.

 

Second, At the time of your statement I hadn't copied what others have said.  So your accusation is incorrect.  

 

In conclusion, not only do you not have a firm grasp of the definition of the word "parroting" you don't have a firm grasp on when to apply it.  OR YOU ARE JUST MAKING THINGS UP TO SUIT YOUR CASE.

 

I wonder...which is it?

[peacesells]

 

 

What do you think about the other two vagons?

 

 

What do YOU think at all?

 

I dunno. Thinking doesn't really work these days.

 

 

Please find a way by day 2.  Or I will have AJ kill you.  (Didn't AJ say he could do that?)

[csarmi]

I prefer a Kaylee lynch over Despo, she's been pinging me early.

 

Like everyone gave me scum vibes. I'd put Wombat and Amega to town for now.

 

AJ irritates me badly. Not gonna vote a claimed doc D1 however.

 

I really hate X's long quotes short posts, but he seems to be trying.

 

Liking Peace.