[Basic] Reboot Mafia Game MAFIA WINS

[Kaylee]

These are the quotes that make me think Des could be town and make me unsure about him...

 

 

 

If they were legit scumtells I don't think you'd have an issue pointing them out directly. Also your point is bad because you haven't actually pointed out any specific about me. You can continue throwing blanket statements around but you haven't actually said anything whatsoever. I'm attempting to give you some leeway here. What exactly do you think is scummy? If it's my jokey tone than I think you should hush and sit back a bit until everyone checks in. Like I said, your analysis is faulty or you are scum. That's the bottom line.

You are digging your own grave btw. I'm not trying to scare you off my lynch but you are you wastig your time. Call it conf-bias but I know I am town and therefore suspicious of those who attack me considering I don't feel your vote is warranted.

In other words, come at me bro. You will die regardless of your alignment so choose wisely.

 

Bold: I have pointed out directly EVERY scumtell I've called out. Are you just not paying attention or something dude? Only think I can think of is that this was the alkeyhawl talking at this point.

 

Italics: Uh yeah dude I'm not just going to sit back and wait for someone to claim scum or something. That's not my style. If I see something that looks off to me, even something minor, I'm going to point it out. All it sounds like is you trying to bully me away from voting or pressuring you. And that tactic just won't work.

 

Also, don't tell me to hush. That's incredibly patronizing and rude. I don't care if you're mad that I soulread you as scum so easily, but you really shouldn't have to resort to those type of tactics to defend yourself.

 

Underlined: Lol you just keep slipping and sliding don't you. For future reference, threatening to have your team kill me is NOT a good way to convince me you're town roflmao

 

 

FTR, I am not attempting to lead. But I am town. You can try to come at me but in the end I will crush you.

Your choice.

 

Bahahaha moar threats! I love it!

 

Really is just an insane overreaction to my single vote on you AJ. You attempting to bully me away from voting you has completely exposed you. I can only imagine how mad your teammates are in yall's QT lol.

 

His vote and logic are both convoluted.

 

How exactly can a vote be convoluted? I seriously want to know, I've been trying to think of a way for a few minutes and I got nothing.

 

And how is my logic convoluted? I didn't go through some incredibly lengthy prose involving several leaps in logic to describe why you seemed scummy, I pointed out simple things which are pretty clear to see and you went off the deep end.

 

I'll withhold judgement until you have legitimate time to present your case. Until then though my vote stays on you. Make sure your points are clear as to your POV or else I will consider them fake. If you have legitimate questions for me thus far ( which I doibt you have) I will answer them. If not the only real reason I can formulate is that you are scum and in that case I will devote my time in ensuring you are killed.

Get @ me bro.

 

Yet another threat lololololol. I won't even buy a Vig claim btw at this point cause you don't even act like you'd have to be alive to kill me. "Ensuring you are killed" makes it sound like if I do succeed at lynching you you'll just have your team NK me. Funny thing is, this isn't even the first time that it's been implied you could have me killed even if you were lynched.

 

I really don't get why you thought it was a good idea to issue these threats, veiled or otherwise. If you have your team NK me after I drive your lynch, so be it. I'm overextended right now in mafia games as it is, and I'll have done my job by catching at least one scummer. So go ahead. Do me a favor.

 

 

As far as I'm concerned these people should be considered scum until otherwise proven: Despo, Verb, Wombat, Leelou & SP.

I don't know SP's meta so he is on list just cause. If Verb does anything but fluff until later Day phases he is scum. Wombat is good and should only be taken at face value rheotoic wise until voting patterns can be discerned. If Leelou makes a reads list that doesn't add up she is scum. Look for inconsistencies in her logic. Despo is purely conf-bias at this point because I know my alignment. He is awfully stubborn as town so if he is pushed off his cases easily this is an indicator.

Would be fine latching any of these just cause it's D1. Reads are subject to change.

Hallia will fluff as either alignment. CS will lay low as scum. Peace is solid town but obvscum. Watch him.

 

Nice job acting like you're actually doing #work instead of just bullying me away from voting you hehe.

 

But all you're really doing here is summarizing people's metas. That's not even directly relevant to THIS game, so really this just looks like fake scumhunting to me.

 

Tbh AJ, even after seeing you as scum in my CWAJGA game, I'm really surprised to see you expose yourself this easily. I always reach with my first cases, but when they actually hit scum it just makes me wanna dance!

 

 

A wise man told me everyone should be considered scum until proven otherwise.

 

Who told you that? I feel like I've heard Turin say something like that before, but I'm sure some older vet has prob said similar before.

 

Anyways, I do agree with that statement, altho I will say the LOCK CLEAR thing I picked up lately is pretty funny.

 

The Bolded statements are what made me think he was putting in effort and looking for something legit. Putting real reasons behind why he was going after AJ is what I'm talking about. Up till this point it was mostly about the jovial thing.

 

 

 

@Des: I disagree with your statement of calling potential gambit being a scumtell. Nothing wrong if a townie wants to mention that as an FYI and a statement on how they are viewing the situation.

Ugh, lulz phase was too quick! I'm scumhunting already?! What is this nonsense?!?!

 

It's not really that reliable of a scumtell since townies can very easily be paranoid of a gambit when there's a big back and forth between two players, but I do think it's a scumtell. I've seen scum employ it before when one of their own was "outed" by a strong town leader before as a way to try and get a mislynch on the townie the next day, and saying it seems like a gambit allows them to distance from their teammate as well as link them to a townie.

 

Even worse, in the case that I'm wrong about AJ and this is town on town violence, scum can sit back and call it a gambit, thereby not taking a true side on the whole affair and letting it dominate discussion for a lot longer. And it can make it look like they didn't "know" either player was town, cause they "thought" it was a gambit. See what I mean?

 

Thing is I think calling something a gambit between two players before either's alignment is known or before the situation has even fully played out is somewhat premature. Say we lynch AJ and he turns out to be scum. Does that mean I should be lynched next? A number of people on thread apparently seem to think so. I find this to be a way of setting up a lynch on me in the future if I'm right, and likely suspicion on me anyways if I'm wrong. Puts me in a no-win situation, all because I boldly called out something I saw on someone and he OMGUS'd.

 

 

@Des: I disagree with your statement of calling potential gambit being a scumtell. Nothing wrong if a townie wants to mention that as an FYI and a statement on how they are viewing the situation.

Ugh, lulz phase was too quick! I'm scumhunting already?! What is this nonsense?!?!

The bold is part of what makes me think they are pulling a gambit.

 

uh, what? Just before this you said you thought it was a gambit cause- oh hell I'll just quote it:

 

For me it's that and suddenly, after they go back and forth a bit, AJ has list of potential suspects, supposedly based off meta. The problem I have with that is Leelou is on the list after Des mentions her, and for weak reasons

 

So Salami says why he thinks it's a gambit, you state something different to help support that it's a gambit, then change your story to saying you think it's a gambit because I said calling a back and forth between two players a gambit early on is a scumtell? That literally makes zero sense, and you changing your story is a gigantic ping for me.

 

For vebal's sanity and cause it seemed fitting!

 

I have to say that my first thoughts where scum tells on aj but a few times i got a gambit feeling. I'd have to say im leaning more town on despo if anyone. Even though the starting case seemed pretty hollow aj didnt hold up well with pressure. But the more it went the akwarder the casing looked for both sides. im not going to dismiss a gambit for that reason but im not totally convince of it yet. That would just be way to optimistic for a realist like me. 

 

Also i didnt care for AJ's use of meta's like that! go ahead and tell scum exactly how not to behave this game. Wasn't found of that.

 

Yay someone else mentioning that AJ and I's interaction could be a gambit

 

 

Vote Des
Why vote Des? To get a train started there with a second vote instead of putting AJ at 4 votes. I can switch my vote to AJ if need be.

So do you think AJ and Des are scum? Because right now you are following AJ onto Des and threw in some I can switch distancing in there.

 

This^

 

Good post from Leelou imo. Makes me feel a bit better about her.

 

Alright, back again and sober today.

 

Des, I stand by what I said. Perhaps my point wasn't made very well last night cause I was rambling a bit, so I'll try to clarify. Basically your case boils down to you saying that I come across as 'jovial' to you and this is an indicator that I received a scum PM and am excited about it. The issue I have with this is simple: You are only applying it in one direction. Why couldn't someone be excited because they got a town PM? I have a hard time believing that you didn't come to this conclusion on your own. If anything that reason should be considered null. So, like I said... I will crush you if this is what you are going to bring against me Really the only thing that you have mentioned against me that could be substantial was my saying killed vs lynched, but I think the point was clear. Eliminate, remove, knock out, etc they all mean the same thing. Fortunately you are exhibiting some of that narcissist Des behavior where you tunnel players and essentially call everything they say scummy, so townie points for that. It's annoying as hell, but it makes me think you could be town.

 

unvote

 

@Salami - Could you elaborate what you think is scummy in my post 58? I've seen you bring it up a few times now and frankly I'm unable to follow your thought process. Also, to answer your question in general I wouldn't say I would automatically be suspicious of everyone that attacks me. That's just part of the game. Their reasoning is a big thing for me, so Des was included on that list for his original vote reasoning. I also aren't following with what you were saying about my 'would like to think' you're town thing. You can disregard my meta read but I find it generally useful early in the game. A lurky CS is usually a scum CS, so in this instance you actually posting would make me lean the other direction based on that alone. I'd like you to explain more of your thought process though, plz.

 

I liked Amega's post. I'm sort of surprised the first thing people thought of was some sort of gambit. I dislike Kaylee's 'could go either way thing', I'm also unable to see where she got the idea of a distancing gambit based on that bolded quote she posted.

 

vote Kaylee

 

Alright so first of all: Holy Backtrack Batman! You start getting some votes cause people see you as the obviously scummier one between us, so you suddenly think I "could be" town now. Biiiig surprise.

 

 

As for the rest-

 

Bold: Cause you're much more likely to see a town PM than a scum one, just due to the laws of probability. If you see something a lot more often, you're not going to be as surprised to see it. Plus you could have gotten roled onto a scum team with people you really like, I know that gets me excited when I see the same.

 

Italics: Oh come on bro. It's day 1. Suuuuch a scummy tactic to go "All you really got on me is _____". Anyways, no- I don't think the point was clear. You were threatening to kill me and crush me, and several times implied that you could have me killed even if you were already dead. To me, that's as good as claiming scum. And yet you don't even really address this point when others bring it up.

 

Underlined: Why do you like Amega's post then? He brought up the gambit thing too... and btw nice distancing attempt with Kaylee.

 

She was making something out of nothing hallia, i think we're all agreed thats how she scumhunts to look for reactions. and while im not deciding if their was a gambit at play you seem quick to push off the reactions aj has made due to Despo's play. Nothing at all seemed scummy in his post or even together? Did you feel as if a gambit was possible? your read seems rather vague. 

 

@ bolded.

 

So you wanna be included in the group that "knows Despot so well" in regards to the way I scumhunt, yet you don't know my gender. Really?

 

The bolded and the case against me furthered my feeling that he actually might be town. He's making logical point and while keeping his vote on his prime suspect he points out things that stand out to him. (Scumhunting basically).

 

Still catching up but apparently AJ bleeds burnt orange so he's obviously not scum.

Unvote

This unvote without further explanation makes me wonder if I was right about him being scum. After spending time making sense and scumhunting, he backs off him top suspect because?... Doesn't feel like a town move to me.

 

 

Ok, now to go look at AJ's posts to clarify for him and others that asked, while I have a chance at the computer.

[Kaylee]

There was the orginal back and forth with Despo. Then these quotes are what make me think your not town...

 

If they were legit scumtells I don't think you'd have an issue pointing them out directly. Also your point is bad because you haven't actually pointed out any specific about me. You can continue throwing blanket statements around but you haven't actually said anything whatsoever. I'm attempting to give you some leeway here. What exactly do you think is scummy? If it's my jokey tone than I think you should hush and sit back a bit until everyone checks in. Like I said, your analysis is faulty or you are scum. That's the bottom line.

You are digging your own grave btw. I'm not trying to scare you off my lynch but you are you wastig your time. Call it conf-bias but I know I am town and therefore suspicious of those who attack me considering I don't feel your vote is warranted.

In other words, come at me bro. You will die regardless of your alignment so choose wisely.

Bold: Seems over-defensive to me. "I'm not trying to scare you off my lynch but..." "I know I am town..." Just seems like you state your town/not scum more than once in the same paragraph. 

 

Blue: A threat. If your town and feel you've communicated that, then why threaten...it's not even just the threat it's the "choose wisely" that really sticks out to me.

 

 

FTR, I am not attempting to lead. But I am town. You can try to come at me but in the end I will crush you.

Your choice.

Bold: again I tell you I'm town.

Blue: Yet another threat.

 

I'll withhold judgement until you have legitimate time to present your case. Until then though my vote stays on you. Make sure your points are clear as to your POV or else I will consider them fake. If you have legitimate questions for me thus far ( which I doibt you have) I will answer them. If not the only real reason I can formulate is that  you are scum and in that case I will devote my time in ensuring you are killed.

Get @ me bro.

Bold: The wording of the first part "devote my time in ensuring you are killed" really stands out. It's also another threat.

 

 

Alright, back again and sober today.

 

Des, I stand by what I said. Perhaps my point wasn't made very well last night cause I was rambling a bit, so I'll try to clarify. Basically your case boils down to you saying that I come across as 'jovial' to you and this is an indicator that I received a scum PM and am excited about it. The issue I have with this is simple: You are only applying it in one direction. Why couldn't someone be excited because they got a town PM? I have a hard time believing that you didn't come to this conclusion on your own. If anything that reason should be considered null. So, like I said... I will crush you if this is what you are going to bring against me Really the only thing that you have mentioned against me that could be substantial was my saying killed vs lynched, but I think the point was clear. Eliminate, remove, knock out, etc they all mean the same thing. Fortunately you are exhibiting some of that narcissist Des behavior where you tunnel players and essentially call everything they say scummy, so townie points for that. It's annoying as hell, but it makes me think you could be town.

 

unvote

 

@Salami - Could you elaborate what you think is scummy in my post 58? I've seen you bring it up a few times now and frankly I'm unable to follow your thought process. Also, to answer your question in general I wouldn't say I would automatically be suspicious of everyone that attacks me. That's just part of the game. Their reasoning is a big thing for me, so Des was included on that list for his original vote reasoning. I also aren't following with what you were saying about my 'would like to think' you're town thing. You can disregard my meta read but I find it generally useful early in the game. A lurky CS is usually a scum CS, so in this instance you actually posting would make me lean the other direction based on that alone. I'd like you to explain more of your thought process though, plz.

 

I liked Amega's post. I'm sort of surprised the first thing people thought of was some sort of gambit. I dislike Kaylee's 'could go either way thing', I'm also unable to see where she got the idea of a distancing gambit based on that bolded quote she posted.

 

vote Kaylee

Bold: that was the beginning of his case, the rest had to do with the threats and something else you pointed out to me, but I didn't grab that quote. 

 

Blue: Suddenly Des going after you is him being on his town meta and that makes him town to you. (Changing your mind after going so hard based on meta). Just feels like stretching for a reason to now find him town.

 

 

Those are the reasons AJ. Clear enough now?

[Andrej]

unvote

 

vote Wombat

 

#marsupial'd

[WolfbrotherKronos]

FYI for those who think deadline is 3 days away check again...you have less than two days.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Will do vote count when I get home this evening.

[Kaylee]

unvote

 

vote Wombat

 

#marsupial'd

Why the vote change? And why Wombat?

[Andrej]

Pretty simple: Following the rule of 25%, 1 of CS, Kaylee, Amega and Wombat should be scum. Obviously this isn't always true, but let's pretend it is here. CS, Kaylee and Amega are all generally voting me for the same reason from what I have gathered. Apparently people didn't enjoy my tone in regards to the back and forth with Despo nor the threats but whatever. What I basically said that was his reasons for voting me were bad enough that it would eventually get him killed via me or someone else if he continued pushing that angle. Sorry that I didn't beat around the bush and add a spoonful of sugar to help it go down.

 

Wombat (1) misreps me in his OP by saying that I found a reason to call Amega scum by calling Peace town. This is untrue. I pointed it out but haven't pushed him for it although it is generally something to consider later once we have more to work on. (2) He pushes that Despo and I are both dirty because our interactions were blatant over-distancing and then say that Despo is latching onto my reasoning for Amega. I reveal my role and character and his immediate reply is anger and telling me how terrible I am. Get over yourself, firstly, and secondly this reads to me as frustration that his transparent mislynch vote will be made more obvious. He follows this up by now claiming that Despo looks better on reread. This is alarming considering how his first post a page back would have had to come after reading the thread initially where he had already decided that Despo and I were scummates. Now he is suddenly looking better, but through what interaction? He had already formulated the theory that we were both scum distancing to start and then working together against Amega. Was it my claim that changed his perspective? Maybe, but why would that necessarily clear Despo if he even slightly believed that I was town? Lastly, his NL policy. What he says about it is true based on the even number of players to start D1, but to me it comes across as him attempting to look more townish by suggesting we NL. This could also indicate a desire that he doesn't wish to lynch scum, which is really our only avenue of winning. NK analysis in general is less dependable than a completed wagon information wise, and it also allows the scum team to pick off people with low amounts of posts (such as X) to avoid giving away too many interaction tells. In short, the idea sounds pro-town on its face but I get the feeling it's actually a scum agenda.

 

P-edit: @Kaylee - after reading your last posts it seems the biggest problem you have with me is that I used a threatening tone, which is more of a personal opinion than actual scumtell. While I don't think your reasoning was very good in the first place, the quotes you finally provided of Despo in regards to your change of tune towards him are the same ones I was thinking of when I talked about his meta. Your thoughts are congruent with mine so that makes me feel a little better about you.

[Andrej]

Excellent Day 1 so far.

 

AJ comes in with a completely overdone Darthe act and Despo goes nuts on him.  Both start garnering votes.  Multiple people bring up gambit possibility.  Consequentially, WIFOM and FoSes abound.  Then AJ comes back with the "LOL I WAS DRUNK" excuse for backpedaling and Despo does a cryptic unvote on AJ.  AJ picks an easy target (amega) and tries to make a scumslip out of something that isn't a scumslip by putting words in his mouth.  Despo jumps all over it.  Both of these guys are dirty.  They want to fight but don't want to lynch.  Classic overdistancing.

 

Please note the people trying to push onto Kaylee, Peace, or Amega.  These are also suspect.

 

Vote: AJ

 

Also, AJ is using way too many words to say way too little.  More interested in rhetoric than analysis.  Scum.

 

These are pretty contradictory to me as well. He accuses me of being more interested in rhetoric than analysis but doesn't really offer any real analysis himself. He makes a statement that we should be wary of those pushing Kaylee, Peace, and Amega but doesn't expound on why. That short list would be: me, Despo, Peace (on Kaylee), Verb and Leelou. So we should be wary of those pushing on Kaylee and Peace although Peace is pushing on Kaylee? Weird.

 

He proclaims that it's been a good D1, but after my claim instead of evaluating other interactions with me or otherwise, he resorts to the NL idea which again won't really yield any sort of information other than a likely dead low-poster come D2. X, Peace, Hallia and Wombat all have under 5 posts at this point, so by his own thinking resorting to the NK to guide us D2 he is potentially setting himself up to be picked off and thus hindering town of real direction. It could also indicate that he isn't necessarily worried about being NK'd because he is part of the faction that controls it.

[WWWwombat]

Pretty simple: Following the rule of 25%, 1 of CS, Kaylee, Amega and Wombat should be scum. Obviously this isn't always true, but let's pretend it is here.

 

Let's not.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

AJ (1) - Ame
Kaylee (2) - Leelou, Peace
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

No Lynch (1) - Wombat

Not Voting:, Hallia, Puppets, Xthrax

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

Deadline Link

[WWWwombat]

Wombat (1) misreps me in his OP by saying that I found a reason to call Amega scum by calling Peace town. This is untrue. I pointed it out but haven't pushed him for it although it is generally something to consider later once we have more to work on. (2) He pushes that Despo and I are both dirty because our interactions were blatant over-distancing and then say that Despo is latching onto my reasoning for Amega. I reveal my role and character and his immediate reply is anger and telling me how terrible I am. Get over yourself, firstly, and secondly this reads to me as frustration that his transparent mislynch vote will be made more obvious. He follows this up by now claiming that Despo looks better on reread. This is alarming considering how his first post a page back would have had to come after reading the thread initially where he had already decided that Despo and I were scummates. Now he is suddenly looking better, but through what interaction? He had already formulated the theory that we were both scum distancing to start and then working together against Amega. Was it my claim that changed his perspective? Maybe, but why would that necessarily clear Despo if he even slightly believed that I was town? Lastly, his NL policy. What he says about it is true based on the even number of players to start D1, but to me it comes across as him attempting to look more townish by suggesting we NL. This could also indicate a desire that he doesn't wish to lynch scum, which is really our only avenue of winning. NK analysis in general is less dependable than a completed wagon information wise, and it also allows the scum team to pick off people with low amounts of posts (such as X) to avoid giving away too many interaction tells. In short, the idea sounds pro-town on its face but I get the feeling it's actually a scum agenda.

 

P-edit: @Kaylee - after reading your last posts it seems the biggest problem you have with me is that I used a threatening tone, which is more of a personal opinion than actual scumtell. While I don't think your reasoning was very good in the first place, the quotes you finally provided of Despo in regards to your change of tune towards him are the same ones I was thinking of when I talked about his meta. Your thoughts are congruent with mine so that makes me feel a little better about you.

 

 

1.  Wasn't a misrep.  I'll pull the quotes and show everyone.

 

2.  Actually, it's frustration that you played like a clown and then claimed doc at L - 3 with plenty of time left on D1.  A town doc should do everything he can to stay undercover.  You did the exact opposite.  Hence the EP reference.

 

3.  Why are you wasting time making up reasons for why I might have changed my Des read?  You have no idea why I did it.

 

4.  People hate no lynches here.  If I wanted to try to look pro-town, suggesting a no lynch would not be how I did it.  And I haven't cleared anyone.  I simply have a mixed read on Des.

[WWWwombat]

 

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ

 

honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.

 

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part.  never been a fan of town lurking.

 

So you know Peace is town then?

 

 

This is a leading question designed to imply that Amega is scum.  He associates Amega's statement with what is seen as a very strong scumtell (a priori alignment knowledge).  He doesn't outright say "I think Amega is scum" but the effect is almost as strong.  With the added benefit that should anyone call him on it, he can backtrack.  This is a scummy tactic.

 

 

 

 

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ

 

honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.

 

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part. never been a fan of town lurking.

So you know Peace is town then?

This looks like a good catch to me. Amega's use of meta to justify it after the fact doesn't satisfy me.

 

Vote Amega

 

Would also be willing to lynch Kaylee. Her flip flop on me and AJ does look pretty scummy.

 

 

Des drops the "good catch" sheep of a crap argument scumtell.  Given Des' meta, this is utter WIFOM.

 

 

 

I guess but they dont have to think logically at all hence the fact that they already know. im relying on the laws of probability to tell me there's more of a chance; you for example are town.Then if i feel that your game play slips i will question that. Honestly i feel as if a scum player wouldnt try to break the natural ways of playing and come off different from the group in anyway. Im willing to voice that i play differently and look at things from a different perspective, but so far ive done better than how i played in 2012

Correct me if I'm wrong here but you are basically saying you are only going to end up calling out town players based on this process. You say that you look for deviations but immediately follow that up by saying scum will try hardest to blend in with the group.

 

 

Pointed questioning of Amega.  The logical argument AJ makes here is solid, but Amega is more of a feel player and has never been very good at formulating airtight arguments, so combined with his earlier implication of scumminess on Amega, this just looks like more of AJ going after low-hanging fruit to save his own skin, which is at best lazy town play and at worst scum play.

 

 

@CS - I would appreciate if you would address my 109.

 

I'd be willing to lynch out of Kaylee, CS and SP atm. Amega's posts read to me as reasonable enough after he explained himself a little more but I still find his POE a little odd. The town comment on Peace could've been a slip but I don't think it's lynch worthy as of yet. CS seems to sniping and only commenting on little tidbits here and there. His vote as been parked on me as well although he has been posting but not really pushing his supposed scum read.

 

This is waffling doodoo.  Amega seems reasonable, but odd and his comment could have been a slip, but AJ doesn't think it's lynchworthy as of yet.  Seriously, could you nudge and hedge your bets on Amega any more AJ?

 

 

 

 

So, anyone else feel that Despot is off? Cause...I don't think he's town

I'd actually be more inclined to think that you are scum because of posts like this. You are very null for me atm which is troubling.

Why is a null on D1 troubling?

 

 

This is a very good question btw.  A null on D1 is not troubling at all.  It's normal.  Looks like AJ is trying to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks.

 

 

@CS - the meta is pretty spot on. Most would likely agree that a lurking CS = scum CS. I saw your comment about getting sick which is all good but for me when you are commenting on other matters instead of addressing direct posts to you and leaving your vote on me looks sketchy. Your commentary towards Amega was also a bit redundant.

 

@Verb - Null isn't always troubling early on but in this case I find his posts to be a little guarded. His first post asks about siggie rotations, several pages later all he wants to know is why I RVS'd him and makes a comment that he thinks Despo is off without adding any support to it.

 

@Wombat - I think you should double check your statement. I poked Amega a bit for the Peace comment but follow up later saying I don't think it was an actual slip on his part. He explained his thoughts behind it well enough to understand why he chose his wording IMO.

 

Let's do this.

 

Hard claim: I am Phong. Doc.

 

We've got about 3 more days before DL to secure a lynch so I don't want anymore time wasted on me. I think any of Kaylee, CS and wombat are good wagons. Kaylee's timing of her read change doesn't match the flow of the thread. She says her mind changed after Despo started to address other issues in regards to me but this happened prior to her saying she'd vote either of us. CS I gave thoughts on already. Wombat's OP and joining one of the lead wagons is suspect IMO. He doesn't provide any sort of analysis of his own as to why he feels anyone pushing those other players should be suspect while also saying I am only more interested in rhetoric.

 

 

Point on CS is valid, but it's D1, so I'm pretty sure we can give CS some time to settle in.  It's not like he's going to disappear.  If he doesn't pick it up, we lynch him.  Pressuring him right now is useless.

 

Response to Verb is crap.  The first post is irrelevant.  The second could be noobishness.  The third is straight up scummy.  Why AJ would get a "troubling" null read on him from those posts I have no idea.

 

Response to me is a sloppy backtrack.  AJ didn't say he didn't think Amega slipped.  He backtracked to saying that Amega's comment "could be a slip."  That prepares him to back off later on while still leaving room for a bandwagon vote should Amega's train shape up.  Opportunistic and slimy.

 

 

 

 

Seriously, if AJ hadn't claimed doc, I wouldn't be voting anyone else right now.  As it is, the only reason I'm for keeping him alive is because it puts the mafia in a bind.  They know that if a doc who isn't AJ shows up dead that AJ dies next.

[WWWwombat]

Scumminess scores 0-10

 

Kaylee - 2
Wwwwombat - 0
Verbal32 - 3
Despo - 5
Cory Amegakure - 1
Hallia - 3
Peace - 4
Puppets - 5
Leelou - 4
Csarmi - 3
AJ - 7
Xthrax - 3

[Andrej]

1. Please do.

 

2. Your idea of how someone should play holds no bearing on me. So again, get over yourself. There is no hand-written book somewhere of how mafia should be played as a certain role or alignment. I play how I play and generally think that I am an asset to my team. I reacted badly to Despo's original vote on me and am working to shed the negative light that put on me. You made me the lead wagon with about 48 hours to go until DL so I felt it appropriate to claim so we could focus elsewhere. You can say that my focus on you is OMGUS but generally I have an easier time discerning a player's motivation when the interaction is with me directly. Different play styles. You don't have to like it but that doesn't mean that I am terrible by any means.

 

3. That wasting of time as you say is me analyzing your post, which you say I have not been doing. As I already explained I don't find your shift to be congruent with your OP considering you would've had to read the thread to begin with in order to draw that conclusion. I am allowed to speculate since you neglected to clarify and the conclusion I came to makes me suspious. I don't understand how you started out with AJ and Despo are over distancing and teaming up on Amega to you feeling better about him. I never said 'his reason is this' I am pointing out that I don't think it adds up. So please, feel free to clarify so that it's understood why you changed your opinion.

 

4. That's fine. I still think it was scummy of you to suggest instead of trying to find a different lynch candidate, especially after accusing others of not analyzing. I'm sure it's not beyond you to think of how a NL on D1 wouldn't be of real benefit. For one you are relying too much on the assumption that mafia will actually NK.

[amegakure]

well then.. id have to agree im am a feels player.. walls of logic and texted loopholes aint my thing. Im not sure about this doc thing but if he's fake well find out soon enough and we got an assured lynch. Im not going to consider a no lynch though. And since my number one pick is out of commission

 

unvote vote des

[Leelou]

Has Salami done anything yet? Or is he being mostly inactive? 

[amegakure]

he's sick 

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

Kaylee (2) - Leelou, Peace
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

Des (1) - Ame

No Lynch (1) - Wombat

Not Voting:, Hallia, Puppets, Xthrax

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

Deadline Link

[Andrej]

 

 

 

So, anyone else feel that Despot is off? Cause...I don't think he's town

I'd actually be more inclined to think that you are scum because of posts like this. You are very null for me atm which is troubling.

Why is a null on D1 troubling?

 

This is a very good question btw.  A null on D1 is not troubling at all.  It's normal.  Looks like AJ is trying to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks.

 

@Verb - Null isn't always troubling early on but in this case I find his posts to be a little guarded. His first post asks about siggie rotations, several pages later all he wants to know is why I RVS'd him and makes a comment that he thinks Despo is off without adding any support to it.

 

Response to Verb is crap.  The first post is irrelevant.  The second could be noobishness.  The third is straight up scummy.  Why AJ would get a "troubling" null read on him from those posts I have no idea.

 

Read the bolded sections and decide for yourself if this is organic thought process. In the end he is agreeing with me that SP's snipe post on Des is scummy but initially calls me out for mud-slinging on the exact same post. SP is also listed rather high in his 0-10 scum scale but he keeps his vote for NL. Despo is ranked evenly with SP behind me, who he made some commentary on in this post that I removed. Too early to really speculate here, but I think that list could be pretty telling in the long run if Wombat flips scum.

[amegakure]

it could be or it could be jibberish. I dont quite know how i deserve a 1 compared to say hallie or x

[Kaylee]

AJ: it wasn't just your threats, it was also overstating how your town. Stood out to me.

 

Now that I'm back from date night I'll place my vote.

 

Vote Des

 

I was undecided on him, but his back off of AJ with basically no reason doesn't seem town behavior to me. He's been asked about it and posted since yet not addressed it.

[Hallia]

Reading back it looks like you're right Kay, and I'm fine with putting a little pressure on him.  Your retort Dessypoo?

 

Vote Des

[Kaylee]

Any other thoughts Hally? You've been quiet.

[Hallia]

I have been, but it's finally slowing down a little so I'll be more active.  I believe AJ's claim for now, and I'm interested in seeing Des's reply.

[Andrej]

Those of you voting Des should switch to Wombat. DL is under 36 hours if I'm correct.

 

I'll give you the TL;DR version: he enters the game proclaiming Despo and I scummates and votes what would be the claimed Doc. He will blame this on my garbage play which is fine but he backtracks on Despo in his following post after a supposed reread. The timing of this change does not fit with the process of his original case and the only reason I can come up with for the change is that he might be considering my claim true, but why would that make him less sure Despo is scum? Going on... He makes a list of scum reads 0-10 after mentioning that those who are pushing for Kaylee, Amega and Peace should be watched. I already pointed out how Peace was pushing Kaylee so logically that shouldn't make sense. Furthermore, he puts me as his top scum read. Despo and SP are next at 5 and Peace at 4. Doesn't that seem odd considering the statement that those pushing him are suspect? The other two out of those, Kay and Amega, are listed as 2 and 1 respectively. Continuing... he makes a post saying the only reason he isn't voting me is because it puts the mafia in a bind for when the actual Doc turns up. This is implying that he still believes I am scum but is instead voting to NL. More importantly, even if he didn't want to push to lynch a claimed Doc although implying he still believes I am scum, he also neglects to vote his next 2 scum reads in Despo and SP although he could have a semi-justifiable reason for doing so.

 

The bottom line is that Wombat is not interested in trying to lynch scum based on my POV. If/when he flips scum I think SP would be a likely teammate based on the post I made earlier where he agrees SP looks scummy but also says I'm mud-slinging for pointing it out coupled with listing him as his next strongest scum read but voting to NL instead.