[Advanced] Star Wars Thrawn Mafia, Heir To The Empire, Town and 3rd party win

[Tommyrod]

I don't understand Turin's play in this game. At all. Like nothing he did or said.

I'll be gone for most of the weekend doing human things with my softer half. I wouldn't object to someone who has been quiet getting considerably more noisy in the interim. 

I have no reservations with voting for Krak.

 

Des, what's more damning about Krak is that he "knew" TG was scum but still didn't vote for him. I think he got nervous about his own appearance when TG was at L-2 or L-1 and said "Go town" and Krak's instincts overtook better judgment and he outed himself while trying to blend in. 

 

Vote Krak

[Hallia]

I'm an open book Dessypoo, ask away!

[hazelkrs1]

GET OUT MAH BRAIN DES

 

*jumps on the tickle zone of Hallia's brain like it's a bouncy castle*

 

So, what do you think of Krak? 

 

Just gave my thoughts on him but I do think him likely scum. Still think Tina is too however and even if she isn't, she'll give us some info about others. If Krak flips town, we won't really gain anything.

 

Turin's totally Mafia tho

 

Sadly this is common for him, tunneling on me even when I'm obvitown and he's town as well.

 

[Hallia]

^ The above is true

[hazelkrs1]

I don't understand Turin's play in this game. At all. Like nothing he did or said.

 

I'll be gone for most of the weekend doing human things with my softer half. I wouldn't object to someone who has been quiet getting considerably more noisy in the interim. 

 

I have no reservations with voting for Krak.

 

Des, what's more damning about Krak is that he "knew" TG was scum but still didn't vote for him. I think he got nervous about his own appearance when TG was at L-2 or L-1 and said "Go town" and Krak's instincts overtook better judgment and he outed himself while trying to blend in. 

 

Vote Krak

 

I do think he kinda outed himself somewhat with that, and with his wtf push on you (you had ZERO chance of being lynched yesterday), but sadly I have been completely convinced Krak will flip scum before just to see him flip town. He #yolos a lot in mafia I think. If he DOES flip town (doesn't look likely, but still), town won't have really gained much. A Tina lynch will be fruitful no matter how she flips imo.

 

Plus Krak is less likely to respond to immediate pressure on him today, as town or mafia he's likely to not give a crap about votes on him. Tina started doing #work yesterday, I want to see if it continues, or if she was only concerned with defending herself to stay alive yesterday. Plus she might have spent so much time overjustifying her vote on TG and building this case on him just to try and sell the bus vote some more. The interaction her and TG had throughout most the thread looks pretty suspicious to me.

 

I'm an open book Dessypoo, ask away!

 

Who seems more likely to be scum to you, Krak or Tina? How have the last three flips (TG, Salami/Luci, Turin) changed how you felt about certain people?

[Tommyrod]

While I can't disagree with your logic that a Tina flip would give more info, I am not convinced she's actually scum anymore. And we should be lynching actual scum, info or not. Krka is scum.

Tina might be scum, but I'd have to go back and look into that again, and it won't happen in the next couple days, so I like my vote where it is.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Back in...sorry about my absence...krak's behavior las t night was scumtastic. I'm getting a town read on des and I believe monk's claim.

 

Hallia's too nice and I always think town on her and yeah that's bad, but null read on her.

 

I want to review Tina's posts before but she seems pretty bad too. Leaning scum on her.

 

Again trying to figure out the new ones....very different way of playing. Tommy seems to be legitimately trying to scum hunt. Cory seems to be joking around quite a bit. Puppets not sure on.

 

Leaning scum:

Krak

Tina

 

Leaning town

Hallia

Des

Tommy

 

Null

Cory

Puppets

Dice

[WolfbrotherKronos]

vote krak

[Hallia]

<3 Wolfie

 

Des, I would've initially said Tina, but reading back I was more zoning in on her because of the way she did her reread, which in all actuality I shouldn't have.  It just seemed strange where she paused, and it made me feel like she'd read everything but was neglecting to mention crucial changes.  Darthe didn't add much and then got replaced by Krak, and his over zealousness in wanting to lynch only Tommy was scummy.  As you say, it was out of left field and had no chance of happening.  I would say that while I don't feel 100% on Tina being town, I feel much better on her passion over wanting to not get lynched.   I'm going to go back and reread early day1 to see interactions between the new flips.  Felt Csarmi/Luci was town all along.  Between Turin and TG I would much rather lose a vanilla than a PR, glad that wasn't the case!

[hazelkrs1]

<3 Wolfie

 

Des, I would've initially said Tina, but reading back I was more zoning in on her because of the way she did her reread, which in all actuality I shouldn't have.  It just seemed strange where she paused, and it made me feel like she'd read everything but was neglecting to mention crucial changes.  Darthe didn't add much and then got replaced by Krak, and his over zealousness in wanting to lynch only Tommy was scummy.  As you say, it was out of left field and had no chance of happening.  I would say that while I don't feel 100% on Tina being town, I feel much better on her passion over wanting to not get lynched.   I'm going to go back and reread early day1 to see interactions between the new flips.  Felt Csarmi/Luci was town all along.  Between Turin and TG I would much rather lose a vanilla than a PR, glad that wasn't the case!

 

Sadly this doesn't make me feel any better about you.

 

Why would Tina have more passion about not getting lynched as town? Most people see that kind of thing as being more indicative of scum.

 

As far as the flips, I meant more how did they change your feelings on OTHER people in the game?

 

And as far as your decision to vote Turin yesterday instead of Turin, I mentioned how this was a bit null for you cause you tend to buy every PR claim, but you didn't point this out or respond to that nudge. That makes me somewhat uncomfortable.

[hazelkrs1]

While I can't disagree with your logic that a Tina flip would give more info, I am not convinced she's actually scum anymore. And we should be lynching actual scum, info or not. Krka is scum.

 

Tina might be scum, but I'd have to go back and look into that again, and it won't happen in the next couple days, so I like my vote where it is.

 

There's another reason I didn't want to vote Krak- he's kind of an obvious choice today. If he's scum his buddy or buddies will likely just bus him, and we'll prob have somewhat of a speedlynch since Krak likely won't defend himself well. That kind of day could lead to town apathy like we've already won this. I'd rather have some competing trains flesh out to generate more discussion.

[Basel Gill]

Vote count:

 

Krak (3) Puppet, Tommy, Kronos

Tina (1) Des

 

Not voting (7): Tina, Monk, Hally, Krak, Cory, Dice, Pral

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. DL is Mon, Feb. 17th at 9 PM EST.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140217T21&p0=422

[Hallia]

Who seems more likely to be scum to you, Krak or Tina? How have the last three flips (TG, Salami/Luci, Turin) changed how you felt about certain people?

1. Des - I'm still not sure about you.  I find myself always wanting to follow along with you, and it's HARD TO BREAK IT >.<  I like the way you case, but from rereading I see what others think.  I was suspicious of you because of how I felt you linked to Peace, but as others have said he wouldn't have done that to his real partner.  So I feel pretty good about you.  I have one other thought, but I want to keep that to myself for now if no one else has picked up on it.

 

2. Darthe/Krak - Picked at Wolfie regarding his reasoning for voting Tina, then nothing, except that final vote on X. UPDATE:  Krak hasn't really changed the scumvibe (reasoning: The whole Tommy thing made no sense)

 

3. Peace, Talon Karrde, Third-Party Survivor Mason, killed N1 - Was cruising along, droping a lazy vote for Nolder and then called out cory for wifoming Monk's opening post that hadn't happened (worried about partner?) Also says he has a town read on Despo during the Night.  (Dead - no change)

 

4. Nol Xthrax, R2D2, Vanilla Town, lynched D1 - I would've voted him too, it did seem he was overreacting by dropping from game.  I sympathize with the whole gif spam thing though.  (Dead - no change)

 

5. Tina - Popped in the game with a jab then popped out.  Also, for so early, how was Csarmi obvtown?  No one could say for sure, I agree totally with Wolfie there.  She then deflects questions of her activity by saying something about TG being quiet, as a way to shift the suspicion.  UPDATE: With the TG flip to town I feel better about Tina for this.  She was right about Csarmi as well.  Upon reread she is looking much better.

 

6. Monk - Never played with him, but haven't seen anything worth redeeming him.  Claimed Han Solo.  Scummy play, and that hasn't changed with the new day.

 

7. Tommy - He's quieted down some, but still posting more than a lot of other people.  Like Des, I have a hard time seeing him as scum because of his tendency to lead us townsfolk.

 

8. AJ Hally - Town!

 

9. TG - Mentioned something about Csarmi's spam but not anyone else's.  Why just him? (Dead - I guess it is irrelevent that Csarmi's flip would've been one thing that would've made me feel he was scummeh.  I didn't see you did nudge me about him claiming a PR though Des, I'd have to go back and look for that.)

 

10. Turin - His play looking back still makes him look scummy.  Tina makes a comment about him being her knight though, could go either way for her.

 

11. Csarmi - He was town all along.

 

12. corycurren - I don't know him very well, as I've said, not sure about him.  Still pleased he is active, hopefully a new addition to the DM Family

 

13. GE/Dice - Says 'intent to hammer' is a scum tell - I disagree, brings up some stuff about a previous game with Csarmi.  From what I know of Goldie's play is he's normally pretty active on the scum hunting.  Haven't seen much from Dice yet, but hopefully with this Day phase we do.

 

14. Pral - Popped in, made a comment about the game getting serious, and mentioned Despo overreaching about Csarmi.  NEED MOAR!

 

15. Kronos - Still happy he's doing more and actually playing.  I still have a good feeling about him!

 

16. SickPuppets - Also one of the newer people, don't really feel one way or the other about him.

 

Also adding colored voting trends for the day, because while I don't, I know some people know how to decipher info from those thingies.

 

Day 1. 

Tina (2) TG, Monk

Xthrax (9) Tommy, Peace, des, GE, Tina, AJ, Cory, Puppet, Darthe

Cory (1) Xthrax

Monk (1) Kronos

 

Not voting (3) Pral, Turin, Csarmi

 

Tommy (1) krak

Tina (1) Pray

TG (5) SP, monk, Tina, dice, Cory, Tommy, Des, Turin

Turin (2) Hally, TG

 

Not voting (2) Kronos, Luci

[Pralaya]

1. Des - like his going for win attitude and has been the most active in scumhunting. He had been tunneling on Turin but his arguments for it sounded genuine. Town.
2. Darthe Krak -  Krak is being krak. Limited info and sparse posting. But then combined with Darthe, have a slight suspicion on him. Leaning scum but I am not voting him yet till I see more.
5. Tina - Still not willing to take away my suspicion on her. TG flipping scum and Turin town shows her in good light but as Des pointed out, it could be a good bus move. 
6. Monk - Have a town feeling on him. His claim of Han Solo sounds fine, especially with the info that Chewbacca is in game. 
7. Tommy - Similar to Des. Liked his points so far and his activity in scumhunting. Town.
8. AJ Hally - Her votes on Tina and Turin so far seems to following the popular train at that point in time. Twice she has posted her combined reads on all players and we are seeing a different hally here. Not liking it exactly. Leaning scum.
12. corycurren - Had a suspicion of him being the 3rd party and I still feel it is true. Anywyay, not getting a scum vibe from him
13. GE Dice - Aggressive GE and his fallout. Dice has not posted since being replaced. GE's posts does see him leaning scum.
15. Kronos - Not too much info - null view on him. 
16. SickPuppets - Unlike the other claims, his claim of Mon Mothma seems forced, unnecessary and oportunistic. He was subtly hinting it and when nobody picked it up, he tried to force it on people as if he wanted to get it across. Scumtastic.

[Pralaya]

Not liking the way SP has been pushing the votes on Krak.

 

Well that happened. I'm just going to Lynch Krak

 

Nudging Turin while subtly keeping the focus on Tina

 

I'm still not willing to Lynch Tina so easily.  Turin is another question however....

 

[hazelkrs1]

Def think you're offbase on SP Pray. His enthusiasm to try and clear himself is a bit troubling, but he didn't seem to be actively pushing others to vote Krak to me, and he spoke out pretty often against TG. His reads have seemed to develop organically as well.

 

Also, Dice has posted since he replaced in. Not much to judge him on yet, but one thing that I pointed out is pretty big- he said he still hadn't caught up and voted what he thought was the largest train, TG. In fact, TG and Turin were both at 3 votes there, so his vote made TG the leading train. Slight wifom, could be a massive gambit, but I doubt that when Turin did look pretty stinky yesterday so a vote on him would have been somewhat excusable, and TG's role seems like it could have been pretty powerful.

 

Other than that tho your reads look pretty good.

[hazelkrs1]

Also, about the whole Cory being the other Survivor thing (SINCE EVERYONE SEEMS TO LOVE IGNORING ME SAYING TO STAHP TALKING ABOUT THAT):

 

I have it on good authority that once when Cory was mason, he almost got his partner lynched D1. Another time he and his partner apparently called out the entire scum team.

 

Since neither of those happened, he obviously isn't a Survivor Mason.

 

#makessenseifyouthinkaboutit

[dicetosser1]

heres a post for you

 

Des one of your strong town reads sux.

 

Praya 3rd party or mafia...doesnt matter neither is town

 

vote Corycurren

[Pralaya]

Yes, you are right. Dice did post and I commented on it too at that time.

 

I just realized .... comparing my reads and the TG train. I have the last 4 as not scum. 3 of the first four as scum.

Wow, either I am totally wrong or there is a concerted effort to bus him. 

 

TG ():  SP, monk, Tina, dice, Cory, Tommy, Des, Turin

[Niniel]

heres a post for you

 

Des one of your strong town reads sux.

 

Praya 3rd party or mafia...doesnt matter neither is town

 

vote Corycurren

 

Is this a cop claim? 

 

 

I´m going to have my house invaded by monsters soon so I don´t know if I will get the time to check this game until later today. It depends on how much the daddy takes care of them. 

 

Need to take a look at the TG/Turin wagons. From memory, Hallia doesn´t look good. 

[Basel Gill]

 

Vote count:

 

Krak (3) Puppet, Tommy, Kronos

Tina (1) Des

Cory (1) Dice

 

Not voting (6): Tina, Monk, Hally, Krak, Cory, Pral

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. DL is Mon, Feb. 17th at 9 PM EST.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140217T21&p0=422

[hazelkrs1]

heres a post for you

 

Des one of your strong town reads sux.

 

Praya 3rd party or mafia...doesnt matter neither is town

 

vote Corycurren

Posts like these just make me want to bang my head against something hard repeatedly till I pass out so I don't have to think about them any longer.

 

And Tina, why you fishing?

[dicetosser1]

hey i just tell it how i see it des

[hazelkrs1]

hey i just tell it how i see it des

You "telling it how you see it" pretty much looks like you hinting at a cop view on Cory..... Which is just mindbogglingly dumb. Everyone and their mom has Cory painted as likely being the other Survivor Mason, so if you ARE a Cop, you wasted a viewing (really awful), and outed yourself (even worse).

 

FYI I truly read Cory as the other Survivor as well, but hoped to make it slightly possible for the mafia team to NK him so that a townie didn't die.

 

If you did what I think you did, I dunno what to say except

 

Bleurgh!!!

[Niniel]

 

heres a post for you

 

Des one of your strong town reads sux.

 

Praya 3rd party or mafia...doesnt matter neither is town

 

vote Corycurren

Posts like these just make me want to bang my head against something hard repeatedly till I pass out so I don't have to think about them any longer.

 

And Tina, why you fishing?

 

 

It looked like a very definite statement. That´s why I asked.