[Advanced] Star Wars Thrawn Mafia, Heir To The Empire, Town and 3rd party win

[hazelkrs1]

Way to go Despo. I LOL @ your recap post to dice.

 

Don't wanna colour his judgement and then make a purely editorial statement about me. Incorrect to boot.

 

If you do nit wish to repeat your original arguments then I will assume you didn't believe them. Your latest is pretty funny too. Talking about my tone while using words like stupid and well I won't repeat the other one.

 

Good job shouting your opinions as facts. I may have time to go thru it during the day. Or not if not then will tonight.

 

It should have been obvious for everyone to see that I was being facetious with the scumclaim part. Oversensitivity on your part.

 

I have continuously referenced the points I have brought against you. I didn't let them rot in a wot. And I have continued to raise new points against you. You just want a nice lengthy wot to address to make it seem like you're defending yourself even tho you would really be burying all my points in a bunch of misdirection and non-answers.

 

Oh and FYI, using the word "stupid" in any way at all doesn't automatically make me some abusive player like you try and paint me as. You have to use CONTEXT. I never used it any way to try and insult you, the entire purpose for its existence was that it helped drive home my thoughts about revealing potential Survivor Mason candidates on thread.

 

Again, quit it with the feigned oversensitivity. If you can't handle someone saying something you've done or are doing in mafia is stupid, mebbe you shouldn't be playing. Smart people can do stupid stuff all the time. I'm a pretty smart guy honestly, but I do stupid stuff constantly . And my wife could tell you about every single time lol.

 

Heck, I still do stupid stuff all the time in mafia games. Point is, in this situation, you really are wrong. Spending any bit of time laboring over the mafia team's first NK Day 2 is just not a smart move to make. Its as bad as setup talk in D1, something you always rail against. Peace flipping Survivor Mason doesn't mean we panic and start thinking about every potential Peace connection to someone else. It means we shrug and continue scumhunting.

[Tommyrod]

Color me confused.

 

Turin and SP swear Tina is the shining example of a townie.

 

Des, myself, Pral, Hallia, Cory and others think she's sinking into a scum swamp.

 

I saw signs of towniness late D1 from her but that since vanished.

 

I have yet to see satisfactory (or any?) reasoning for why Tina should not be lynched.

 

Yet the TG wagon isn't taking off either despite many people agreeing he's been overtly scummy.

 

What is happening in this game? Did we catch all the scum already? Hearty lols if so.

[Pralaya]

TG: His first post was a classic fence-sitting post. After Nolder has dropped out he says that it´s out of the question to lynch him until his replacement get the time to speak. In the same post he says that he is suspicious of Des and Monk. But only two posts later he answers Tom´s leading question that if Nolder is scum then I must be too. He could lynch either of us for info. And then he answered another leading question from Tom and said that I and Kronos tried to distance from each other. Then just a few posts later he voted me. Later he said that Nolder was scummy because of his game play and because of the Nolder/Tina/Kronos interaction

 

Wow! From suspecting Des and Monk and refusing to vote Nolder he posts just what he thinks Tom wants to hear and then suddenly I, Kronos and Nolder are mafia. Just following, or at least trying to buddy Tom. So scummy!

 

 

What is interesting is before this read on TG, your case on TG consisted of the following

 

 

Ah, right. I remember that TG has been unusually quiet.

 

 

The only thing I trust right now is Csarmi´s claim. 

 

I had a null read on Nolder until he dropped.

 

You know why I´m suspicisous of Des.

 

TG seems to try to agree with everyone. 

 

 

Why does people say that Des looks town? He is just making up reasons for voting Csarmi, who is obviously town. 

 

Vote Des

 

 

Didn´t like TGs fence sitting post. 

 

 

You are consistent on the "fence-sitting" aspect. But, your read on TG completely changed from "he is quiet", "he is echoing others" to "wow, he says a lot of things that sound scummy - he is linking, he is buddying etc"

[Niniel]

Finally done! Puh! 

 

First. Vote TG

 

I was suspicious of him before but his posts since has been even more scummy. Des - this is not just me trying to save myself. Although I want to save myself. 

 

Multiple posts comming up. 

 

First - town reads:

 

Tina - absolutely town

 

SP - I have agreed with him most of the game. Totally missed that character hint. 

 

Turin - sees the same as I when it comes to Des. 

 

Csarmi/Luci- like Tom, I wish Csarmi was more active. Still got a town read on him though. Luci have a lot to catch up on. 

 

Kronos - hasn´t posted much but hasn´t done anything scummy

[WolfbrotherKronos]

I'm sorry, but today is the same as yesterday, only worse...covering all day for other teachers because boss doesn't believe in substitutes and then I have to work late for one of his business projects.

[Tommyrod]

I´ve read up until page 32. Will continue tomorrow morning. Will comment on what I have until this point and then go back to defend myself from those who voted me. 

 

Des: starts with his ridiculous case on Csarmi. First he says that Cs is trying to distance from a nk since he said that he didn´t have a gun to shoot Des with. He also said it was scummy that Csarmi bandwagoned on Des. (I agreed about the last point.) At the same time he thought that Nolder´s vote on Cs was opportunistic and agreed with Tom´s reasons for voting Nolder. Then he says that Cs´s "don´t care if I look scummy" line was scummy since he could use it later in the game to defend himself. This was after Cs´s reveal. He tell´s me that he makes up cases all the time. That is as far as I know his only defense so far. Then he voted Nolder and said that he had seen that Cs was probably town but wanted to press him to see what reaction that would give. His scum list at that time is the same as mosts lists - Nolder, Darthe, Tina, TG and Monk. Monk had only one post by then. When Nolder left the game he voted TG instead but went back to X when others voted him. Then he thinks Cs starts to be scummy again since he helped Kronos. Then he fos me and SP for our reasons to suspect him.

 

I can´t help but make the same conclusion as on day 1. Des is making up a case on Csarmi. He can say that he makes up cases all the time all he wants. It still looks scummy. Saying that Cs looked town looked like backtracking since many had said he looked town by then. He basically sheeps other´s thoughs and then OMGUS fos me and SP. 

 

 

Darthe: didn´t say much. Voted Kronos because Kronos voted me because I said Cs was obviously town. Not much more to say about him so far.

 

Monk: I really, really don´t like the post where he voted me because that I didn´t stood out to him which was a town tell. Later he said he meant scum tell. If it wasn´t for the Han Solo claim my vote would be on him still.

 

Tommy: Mostly goes after Nolder and ask people questions. Look like town scum hunting like I have seen him in other games. He is suspicious of me since he think that Des makes up cases as both town and scum and because I didn´t mention Nolder. Later when I had answered him he thought that I looked more townie. While he was still suspicious of me he asked TG to move his vote on me to Nolder. He said that my lynch wouldn´t take off today. It feels a bit weird when I read it now. 

 

AJ: Voted X without reading the whole thread although the deadline wasn´t close. Seems like a strange move if scum. I don´t know. 

 

TG: His first post was a classic fence-sitting post. After Nolder has dropped out he says that it´s out of the question to lynch him until his replacement get the time to speak. In the same post he says that he is suspicious of Des and Monk. But only two posts later he answers Tom´s leading question that if Nolder is scum then I must be too. He could lynch either of us for info. And then he answered another leading question from Tom and said that I and Kronos tried to distance from each other. Then just a few posts later he voted me. Later he said that Nolder was scummy because of his game play and because of the Nolder/Tina/Kronos interaction

 

Wow! From suspecting Des and Monk and refusing to vote Nolder he posts just what he thinks Tom wants to hear and then suddenly I, Kronos and Nolder are mafia. Just following, or at least trying to buddy Tom. So scummy!

 

Turin: didn´t do much. Voted Nolder for forcing his meta. 

 

Csarmi: I still believe his claim. To be honest I don´t understand many of his posts but I don´t see the calculating, nice, calm scum Cs. 

 

Cory: I can´t get a grip of him. He is trying to play in some kind of symbiose with Tom. I can´t really see where he is sheeping, buddying or saying something of his own. 

 

Golden: didn´t post much. Voted Cs when it was popular. Voted X later and said he suspected me. 

 

Pral: didn´t post much. Said that Des was reaching. 

 

Kronos: Thought Csarmi´s claim was weird but since he had seen him do it before it was a null read. He voted me for the "obvious" comment. The he switched to Monk because of him voting me for the town tell. Town feeling on Kronos so far.

 

SP: Went after Monk and Des in a few posts. The rest is just spam. 

 

 

I´ll continue my re-read tomorrow morning.

 

  

Tina, I had to heartily chuckle at that catchup post. Basically: everyone but Salami and Kronos are scum candidates. OK.

  

 

 

Just saw this. Welcome to the game, Krak. Have you read the thread? Why don´t you comment on anything except going after Csarmi?

DEM HARD HITTING QUESTIONS

  

I don't understand what it is you think you're

 

 

 

Tina, I had to heartily chuckle at that catchup post. Basically: everyone but Salami and Kronos are scum candidates. OK.

 No. I think I was unsure about most people. Scum = Des, TG, Monk, maybe Golden and Cory.

I think the only one that is even in the ballpark of reason right now is TG, which is pretty weak since you can see I'm already getting @ him in the thread.Why Golden, exactly? Your post says this: "Golden: didn´t post much. Voted Cs when it was popular. Voted X later and said he suspected me. "So you think he's scum for following consensus?Care to make a more elaborate case for Golden being scum?Cory and Monk seem like low hanging mislynch fruit, I have meta town reads on both of them that I wouldn't expect you DM guys to have, but you can take it to the bank nonetheless.And I think you know where I stand on Des.And how Des thinking Golden is scum fits with you thinking the two of them are scum? Think Des is just bussing for fun ITT?

  

I will continue with my re-read tomorrow. I should have more clear reads by then. Those that plays with me a lot knows that my memory is really bad. (Really bad low/working memory.) That is why re-reads and notes are important for me. You need to understand that the post above is not "cases". It´s my notes and thoughts after reading half of the game. My thoughts will probably change after reading the second half. Probably not about Des though. 

 

About Golden: yes, just following along. No big scum read since he had posted so little until then.

 

Please tell me this is a townie thought process.

 

Vote count:

Des (1) Turin

Tommy (1) krak

Tina (3) Pray, des, Hally

TG (4) SP, Tommy, Cory, monk

Turin (1) des

Not voting (5) everyone else

with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

DL is Wed. Feb. 12th at 10 PM EST

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140212T22&p0=422

 

The fact that the Tina train just won't go makes me nervous considering her recent sketchy catchup posts and the way people are defending her out of thin air.

 

I bet if you look at Tina's list of scum, only one is (probably TG with the way she flipped on him when he hit heat).

[Tommyrod]

Finally done! Puh! 

 

First. Vote TG

 

I was suspicious of him before but his posts since has been even more scummy. Des - this is not just me trying to save myself. Although I want to save myself. 

 

Multiple posts comming up. 

 

First - town reads:

 

Tina - absolutely town

 

SP - I have agreed with him most of the game. Totally missed that character hint. 

 

Turin - sees the same as I when it comes to Des. 

 

Csarmi/Luci- like Tom, I wish Csarmi was more active. Still got a town read on him though. Luci have a lot to catch up on. 

 

Kronos - hasn´t posted much but hasn´t done anything scummy

"Like Tom, I wish csarmi was more active."

 

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[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Vote count:

 

Des (1) Turin

Tommy (1) krak

Tina (3) Pray, des, Hally

TG (5) SP, Tommy, Cory, monk, Tina

Turin (1) des

 

Not voting (4) everyone else

 

with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

 

DL is Wed. Feb. 12th at 10 PM EST

 

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140212T22&p0=422

[Tommyrod]

Tina, do please point out WHICH posts of TG's you have a problem with since he has "gotten more scummy."

[Niniel]

TG case. I know that others have done it too but here is the reasons why I vote him. 

 

Checking in.  Game isn't even half a day old and already almost 10 pages?  This is gonna be fun :-)

 

Only two things worth commenting on.  CS's play is crap, but I'm leaning town because I've seen it from him before.  The spam is over the top tho.

 

Has Tommy played here before?  Because he and Des are tops on my list for scum.  I agree with Nol that posting spammity spam and lurking are anti-town.  Tommy and Des both seem to be purposely misunderstanding what Nol is saying and painting it as a black or white type thing.  Des at least shouldn't be purposely misunderstanding this as he is a DM vet.

 

The first post that has been mentioned many times. Fence sitting. Agrees with Nolder. 

 

If Nol is being replaced then a Nol lynch is out of question.  Whoever replaces Nol will have to speak up for themselves. 

 

As for my reads, I still don't like where Des has come out.  Monk looks bad after coming in, reading the thread and being able to make the "'Sup" joke but then saying he hadn't read enough to comment.  And I stand by my statement that CS was flooding the thread with crap but that doesn't make him scum.  I have a town read on him.

 

Here he says lynching Nolder is out of question. Comments on Monk because others have. Trying to blend in. 

 

 

If Nol is being replaced then a Nol lynch is out of question.  Whoever replaces Nol will have to speak up for themselves. 
 
As for my reads, I still don't like where Des has come out.  Monk looks bad after coming in, reading the thread and being able to make the "'Sup" joke but then saying he hadn't read enough to comment.  And I stand by my statement that CS was flooding the thread with crap but that doesn't make him scum.  I have a town read on him.

Care to explain why a Nol lynch is "out of the question?" Because, uh, you know... Nold's alignment doesn't reset when someone subs in.

How do you feel about Tina? Would you lynch her?

 

 

Here Tommy starts question TG. 

 

We can lynch whoever replacing in for Nol, when that happens.   Until then, at least from my experience, the Mod will remove all Nol votes and that slot basically doesn't exist until someone fills it. 

 

If Nol is mafia then I'd say Tina is teammate especially given how she mostly ignored everything about Nol which has comprised most of the game.  I'd lynch at least one of those two for info.

 

Now he says we could lynch Nol´s replacement later. And suddenly Nol might be mafia and I could be his teammate. He has not mentioned me before. Writing what he wants Tom to hear?

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87452-advanced-star-wars-thrawn-mafia-heir-to-the-empire-day-1/page-14?

Read this page again and give me your thoughts on the Tina and Kronos interaction.

 

 

The whole interaction looks contrived, like an early attempt at distancing. 

 

 

Again, just answers Tom what he wants to hear. 

 

 

 

So what...I should post gif after gif, because that is mostly what people have been doing. I don't comment when there is little to comment on.

 

 

Emorage

 

 

Now he comments on Kronos. Emorage??? How is this emorage. TG is trying to back up his new thoughts. 

 

 

[Niniel]

Bloody.... this will looks strange since I had too many quotes. 

 

vote Tina

 

Then votes me.

 

 

 

Mindmeld! Good sign. Let's table you for today. Would like more thoughts from you as we go on.

For example, page 10. You came in hard defending Nolder. Still feel we are "twisting his words" or whatever you said?

 

 

At that point, there was a bit of firing the brush in making it more black and white than it is.  Spammy posting to the point of obscuring the thread and lurking to give no info are both anti-town IMO.  I think Nol is scummy more for his gameplay since (see below) and the Tina/Kronos/Nol interactions than I do for scumhunting in spammers and lurkers.

 

Then again, I'm still pissed that I got lynched D1 last game for just posting a count of low posters to get them to post more and saying that lurking doesn't help town.

 

 

Didn't Nolder just say in this thread when he gets mad he just goes away for a few hours.  He doesn't rage quit with his "integrity" and all that.

 

This.

 

 

Now he says that Nolder is scummy for game play and the Nol/Tina/Kronos connection .

 

Apologies all, was traveling for work and then it was my son's 1st birthday.  Priorities and all.  Thought I'd be able to login during travel but just wasn't possible.  On teh plus side, here is a pic of my son with his smash cake :-) :-) 

 

 

This week should be better tho, time to catch up.

 

 

The Olympics has started and I´m going away later so I will have to make this short. (Seriously - why do people expect me to be social during the Olympics?)

 

 

There are more posts to comment on but it will have to wait until tomorrow. Des is still on my scum list. He is trying to paint me scummy in an OMGUS way, telling everyone how well he knows that I play. I don´t like that he still comment about Csarmi. 

 

That said, Monk is now my number one scum suspect. I´ll keep my vote on X but Monk is next. 

 

This looks like distancing. Distancing from what/who? 

 

Well he didn't claim yet.

 

 

Well, CS makes this comment and then 2 hours later Despo comes in and, completely ignoring it, says...

 

 

what is X gonna say that he already hasn't? Seems a bit contrived Fishlami.

^^^ Pretty much how I feel as well. Personally not a fan of the "intent to hammer" thing. The person being lynched should already know when they are under duress of a lynch, so it's mostly a show for everyone else imo.

 

 

Despo even quotes the question from Peace that got a response from CS but ignores CS's response? I see what he means here.

 

Oh sweet salty christ Basel.

 

Must be the crackers. Fluff

 

I would've hammered for you, Cory. X is scum. No need to worry.

 

Scumtastic.  Timing and everything. Talk about vague. Others went after Monk so he has to as well. 

 

Cory is scum, he led the lynch.

 

Keep on scummin' Scummin, distancing... using all the vague words.

 

Yeah me and SickPuppets usually just spend the weekends sexting

 

...how come no-one else gets invited to these parties of yours? Fluff.

 

 

Now, gentlemen, if you wouldn't mind I'd like an apology from those of you who spoke ill of me after I left. Specifically those who accused me of pulling out of a game where I'd been "caught". I explained why I was leaving the game in my last post and don't think I deserve the response many of you gave, especially considering it was some of your faults for spamming gifs in the first place.

I don't want to distract from the game though so please send apologies via PM.
Thanks.

Lol worst bah post ever!

#hypocrite

#stilltho, really?

 

 

Couldn't read thread because too many gifs.  Read thread through to end of day to ask for apology about quitting over not being able to read thread. 

 

There is a search button in the top right corner. you can use it for searching the thread. The best is if you just leave it empty and click on it, you get an advanced search then.

 

Once again, CS posts and then...

 

 

So, I'm going to assume there's no search mechanic, correct?

There is actually- search icon is in top right corner (not on DM mobile obv). Make sure youre in this thread when you click it so it will search this game only. You'll go to advanced search and can either iso posts from someone by filling their name in the "by author" slot (has to be exactly how their name is spelled), or you can search for keywords.

 

 

Minutes later Despo comes in and completely ignores CS's post, responding to the same question.  Despo pointedly ignoring CS. Hm... I doubt Des would just ignore Cs on purpose. It´s hardly a scum tell. 

 

As for me, phone's about to die so I'll have to wait till I get back home tomorrow to add a lot of my more detailed thoughts.

I did have the craziest of dreams last night, and can't get to sleep unfortunately. Pretty much a "hills have eyes" type situation (mutant rednecks), so yeah pretty awful lol. Anyways, felt like sharing.

Also, Spurs won! Was awesome to get to see them again, hadn't gone to a game in a couple of years.

 

Spurs are still a good team.  Almost won the championship last year...of course, my Heat and Jesus with that corner three. Fluff.

 

 

What sport is it again? Basketball?

Yes. Spurs dynasty is sort of on the way out, but were still an elite team kinda

 

 

Still elite. Fluff.

 

 

 

In case you didn't know

I don't know why but I felt like I should just drop this. Golden's OP.

 

This was before and remains the GOAT OP. No lie.

 

 

QFT

 

While it's night... what the storm troopers do when no one is supervising them.

 

Lol, epic Fluff.

 

Des who in your opinion either:

1) Jumped on the Nolder/X wagon without doing any #work

2) Ignored it entirely as if they knew he'd flip town and didn't want to get dirty 

 

Leading questions are scummy questions.  Why not just ask Despo to analyze Nol's train for scum? Might agree with him here.

 

TG, does Nol/X flipping town change your view on Tina any?

 

Tommy, does Nol/X flipping town change your perspective on Cory?

 

Not really.  Still scum lean.

 

From day 2. There have been a lot of people critizising TG but he comes in and mostly post fluff. He doesn´t defend himself or even show that he knows that others are finding him scummy. My comments in purple. 

 

Let's get back to the game

 

vote Monk

 

His Monk vote. 

[Niniel]

TGlems, on 11 Feb 2014 - 5:47 PM, said:

 

Basel Gill, on 10 Feb 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

TG the picture of your son is so cute!

 

Thanks!

 

corycurren, on 11 Feb 2014 - 03:39 AM, said:

Claimed with no heat in a game where there are no fakeclaims and he's not csarmi

 

He roleclaimed cop last game with like one vote on him as scum

 

Monk's outed

 

kill him

 

How on earth would you know whether or not there are fakeclaims unless you're scum?  Am I misunderstanding here?

 

corycurren, on 11 Feb 2014 - 04:51 AM, said:

by talk of csarmi it is very, very, very likely scum have some character claims or else we'd all just massclaim and GAME OVAR

 

 

And now you're saying there are fakeclaims?  Explain the sudden backtracking.

 

Krakalakachkn, on 11 Feb 2014 - 05:22 AM, said:

Good evening everyone, I am Krak.

 

 

 

Vote Tommy as I find him a despicable character.

 

Awesome OP.

 

 

He has a town read on Krak later. Why? 

 

TGlems, on 11 Feb 2014 - 5:48 PM, said:

unvote monk

 

 

TGlems, on 11 Feb 2014 - 7:19 PM, said:

 

Tommyrod, on 11 Feb 2014 - 6:50 PM, said:

You don't get to sit back. You get to respond point-by-point to the post that Despot just made about you.

 

*continues to eat popcorn*

 

Despothera, on 11 Feb 2014 - 5:53 PM, said:

 

TGlems, on 06 Feb 2014 - 4:27 PM, said:

Checking in.  Game isn't even half a day old and already almost 10 pages?  This is gonna be fun :-)

 

Only two things worth commenting on.  CS's play is crap, but I'm leaning town because I've seen it from him before.  The spam is over the top tho.

 

Has Tommy played here before?  Because he and Des are tops on my list for scum.  I agree with Nol that posting spammity spam and lurking are anti-town.  Tommy and Des both seem to be purposely misunderstanding what Nol is saying and painting it as a black or white type thing.  Des at least shouldn't be purposely misunderstanding this as he is a DM vet.

 

Just wanna point out what still remains the scummiest OP in the game as well as one of the scummiest posts.

 

Anyways, italics is a prime example of what I was talking about scum would likely do- either distance or stay away from the Nolder train. TG hardcore defends Nolder and fos's me and Tom, saying we're deliberately misunderstanding Nolder. Could easily see scum!TG deciding to do this to try and later use a Nolder flip against us.

 

 

TGlems, on 07 Feb 2014 - 4:27 PM, said:

If Nol is being replaced then a Nol lynch is out of question.  Whoever replaces Nol will have to speak up for themselves. 

 

As for my reads, I still don't like where Des has come out.  Monk looks bad after coming in, reading the thread and being able to make the "'Sup" joke but then saying he hadn't read enough to comment.  And I stand by my statement that CS was flooding the thread with crap but that doesn't make him scum.  I have a town read on him.

 

After Nol asks for a replacement, TG comes in and says a Nol lynch is out of the question and that his replacement will have to speak for themselves... looks to me like a scummie trying to save a lynch for later (using the early Nol stuff and replacing out to implicate his replacement at some future day)

 

TGlems, on 07 Feb 2014 - 4:39 PM, said:

We can lynch whoever replacing in for Nol, when that happens.   Until then, at least from my experience, the Mod will remove all Nol votes and that slot basically doesn't exist until someone fills it. 

 

If Nol is mafia then I'd say Tina is teammate especially given how she mostly ignored everything about Nol which has comprised most of the game.  I'd lynch at least one of those two for info.

 

Bold: TG links Nolder to Tina here, saying if he flipped mafia she'd be his teammate, thereby potentially setting her up to look better in his eyes with a Nol town flip.

 

Underlined: Lynching "for info" eh? Scum will often push lynches as "info" lynches early on, to try and be on a train while not looking too committed to it.

 

TGlems, on 07 Feb 2014 - 5:43 PM, said:

At that point, there was a bit of firing the brush in making it more black and white than it is.  Spammy posting to the point of obscuring the thread and lurking to give no info are both anti-town IMO.  I think Nol is scummy more for his gameplay since (see below) and the Tina/Kronos/Nol interactions than I do for scumhunting in spammers and lurkers.

 

Then again, I'm still pissed that I got lynched D1 last game for just posting a count of low posters to get them to post more and saying that lurking doesn't help town.

 

Main thing I don't like about this post is the last little bit- TG brings up what he did last game (when he was lynched town) in a possible attempt to make himself look townie this game.

 

TGlems, on 07 Feb 2014 - 5:56 PM, said:

MOD QUESTION

 

Nol has quit and therefore all votes on Nol are reset, correct?

 

TG possibly playing the "helpful townie" angle

 

Firing the brush to catch slips is one thing.  Purposely taking things out of context, purposely misinterpreting, and purposely pushing people with trumped up cases for the sole purpose of frustrating them is another.  I've never really agreed with your method of scumhunting because your "cases" do more to frustrate than anything else.  Scum, because they are already acting, will have a more reasonable reaction to your purposeful frustration tactics whereas town will get more angry and upset since that is a more honest and natural reaction.  In the end it muddies the water and doesn't help catch scum.  Case in point?  Nolder.  I thought that you were purposely taking it too far and purposely misunderstanding him and that, to me, is either scummy or not good town scumhunting play.  So, that is why I said I didn't like it and I still don't.  His continued play after that gave me a scum lean on him, but the early on stuff by you and Tommy was trumped up and gave me a scum lean on you two for pushing it.

 

What bothers me most about your whole post is this.  You are seeding a reaction.  I said early on that you were pushing a trumped up case.  You yourself admit that you do this often.  Well, I think it's scumtastic and said so.  Your response is to say that I'm laying the groundwork for a future push, thereby trying to future-proof yourself against any scumhunting I do on you throughout the rest of the game.  Then you go through and "analyze" each post with that conclusion in mind, making each post I've written conform to that already reached conclusion.  Moreso, it colors how everyone else is going to read our interactions.  You consistently do stuff like this when you're scum, trying to future-proof yourself against any push on you by discrediting anyone in thread who is suspicious of you.

 

 

I actually don´t understand most of this post. I mean litterarly. 

 

TGlems, on 11 Feb 2014 - 8:37 PM, said:

 

Tommyrod, on 11 Feb 2014 - 8:26 PM, said:

Dude who are you

I've never read those books anyway

Did you tell us who we should be lynching today 

 

Good books and well worth reading.  Just skip books 7,8,9, lol

 

I thought Monk to start the day, then he claimed Han.  I have scum leans on Des, Tina, Cory, Kronos and maybe SP.  Town on Krak, Monk, AJ, CS.  Null on you, Turin, GE, Pral. 

 

 

Still wonder why he has a town read on Krak. 

 

TGlems, on 11 Feb 2014 - 9:35 PM, said:

No. I think the initial push on him was intent on frustrating him and I didn't like that (see my response to Des).  But, then he continued to meltdown and deserved to get lynched by the end of the day.  Two different issues. 

 

So you think they intended to frustrate him, which you didn´t like, but when it worked you thought that he was scummy? Kind of a contradiction.

 

 

I feel comfortable with a TG vote. 

[Niniel]

I hate when this happen. Again, how much can I quote? 

[Niniel]

I will quote this and colour my text. 

 

TGlems, on 11 Feb 2014 - 5:47 PM, said:

 

Basel Gill, on 10 Feb 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

TG the picture of your son is so cute!

 

Thanks!

 

corycurren, on 11 Feb 2014 - 03:39 AM, said:

Claimed with no heat in a game where there are no fakeclaims and he's not csarmi

 

He roleclaimed cop last game with like one vote on him as scum

 

Monk's outed

 

kill him

 

How on earth would you know whether or not there are fakeclaims unless you're scum?  Am I misunderstanding here?

 

corycurren, on 11 Feb 2014 - 04:51 AM, said:

by talk of csarmi it is very, very, very likely scum have some character claims or else we'd all just massclaim and GAME OVAR

 

 

And now you're saying there are fakeclaims?  Explain the sudden backtracking.

 

Krakalakachkn, on 11 Feb 2014 - 05:22 AM, said:

Good evening everyone, I am Krak.

 

 

 

Vote Tommy as I find him a despicable character.

 

Awesome OP.

 

 

He has a town read on Krak later. Why? 

 

TGlems, on 11 Feb 2014 - 5:48 PM, said:

unvote monk

 

 

TGlems, on 11 Feb 2014 - 7:19 PM, said:

 

Tommyrod, on 11 Feb 2014 - 6:50 PM, said:

You don't get to sit back. You get to respond point-by-point to the post that Despot just made about you.

 

*continues to eat popcorn*

 

Despothera, on 11 Feb 2014 - 5:53 PM, said:

 

TGlems, on 06 Feb 2014 - 4:27 PM, said:

Checking in.  Game isn't even half a day old and already almost 10 pages?  This is gonna be fun :-)

 

Only two things worth commenting on.  CS's play is crap, but I'm leaning town because I've seen it from him before.  The spam is over the top tho.

 

Has Tommy played here before?  Because he and Des are tops on my list for scum.  I agree with Nol that posting spammity spam and lurking are anti-town.  Tommy and Des both seem to be purposely misunderstanding what Nol is saying and painting it as a black or white type thing.  Des at least shouldn't be purposely misunderstanding this as he is a DM vet.

 

Just wanna point out what still remains the scummiest OP in the game as well as one of the scummiest posts.

 

Anyways, italics is a prime example of what I was talking about scum would likely do- either distance or stay away from the Nolder train. TG hardcore defends Nolder and fos's me and Tom, saying we're deliberately misunderstanding Nolder. Could easily see scum!TG deciding to do this to try and later use a Nolder flip against us.

 

 

TGlems, on 07 Feb 2014 - 4:27 PM, said:

If Nol is being replaced then a Nol lynch is out of question.  Whoever replaces Nol will have to speak up for themselves. 

 

As for my reads, I still don't like where Des has come out.  Monk looks bad after coming in, reading the thread and being able to make the "'Sup" joke but then saying he hadn't read enough to comment.  And I stand by my statement that CS was flooding the thread with crap but that doesn't make him scum.  I have a town read on him.

 

After Nol asks for a replacement, TG comes in and says a Nol lynch is out of the question and that his replacement will have to speak for themselves... looks to me like a scummie trying to save a lynch for later (using the early Nol stuff and replacing out to implicate his replacement at some future day)

 

TGlems, on 07 Feb 2014 - 4:39 PM, said:

We can lynch whoever replacing in for Nol, when that happens.   Until then, at least from my experience, the Mod will remove all Nol votes and that slot basically doesn't exist until someone fills it. 

 

If Nol is mafia then I'd say Tina is teammate especially given how she mostly ignored everything about Nol which has comprised most of the game.  I'd lynch at least one of those two for info.

 

Bold: TG links Nolder to Tina here, saying if he flipped mafia she'd be his teammate, thereby potentially setting her up to look better in his eyes with a Nol town flip.

 

Underlined: Lynching "for info" eh? Scum will often push lynches as "info" lynches early on, to try and be on a train while not looking too committed to it.

 

TGlems, on 07 Feb 2014 - 5:43 PM, said:

At that point, there was a bit of firing the brush in making it more black and white than it is.  Spammy posting to the point of obscuring the thread and lurking to give no info are both anti-town IMO.  I think Nol is scummy more for his gameplay since (see below) and the Tina/Kronos/Nol interactions than I do for scumhunting in spammers and lurkers.

 

Then again, I'm still pissed that I got lynched D1 last game for just posting a count of low posters to get them to post more and saying that lurking doesn't help town.

 

Main thing I don't like about this post is the last little bit- TG brings up what he did last game (when he was lynched town) in a possible attempt to make himself look townie this game.

 

TGlems, on 07 Feb 2014 - 5:56 PM, said:

MOD QUESTION

 

Nol has quit and therefore all votes on Nol are reset, correct?

 

TG possibly playing the "helpful townie" angle

 

Firing the brush to catch slips is one thing.  Purposely taking things out of context, purposely misinterpreting, and purposely pushing people with trumped up cases for the sole purpose of frustrating them is another.  I've never really agreed with your method of scumhunting because your "cases" do more to frustrate than anything else.  Scum, because they are already acting, will have a more reasonable reaction to your purposeful frustration tactics whereas town will get more angry and upset since that is a more honest and natural reaction.  In the end it muddies the water and doesn't help catch scum.  Case in point?  Nolder.  I thought that you were purposely taking it too far and purposely misunderstanding him and that, to me, is either scummy or not good town scumhunting play.  So, that is why I said I didn't like it and I still don't.  His continued play after that gave me a scum lean on him, but the early on stuff by you and Tommy was trumped up and gave me a scum lean on you two for pushing it.

 

What bothers me most about your whole post is this.  You are seeding a reaction.  I said early on that you were pushing a trumped up case.  You yourself admit that you do this often.  Well, I think it's scumtastic and said so.  Your response is to say that I'm laying the groundwork for a future push, thereby trying to future-proof yourself against any scumhunting I do on you throughout the rest of the game.  Then you go through and "analyze" each post with that conclusion in mind, making each post I've written conform to that already reached conclusion.  Moreso, it colors how everyone else is going to read our interactions.  You consistently do stuff like this when you're scum, trying to future-proof yourself against any push on you by discrediting anyone in thread who is suspicious of you.

 

 

I actually don´t understand most of this post. I mean litterarly. 

 

TGlems, on 11 Feb 2014 - 8:37 PM, said:

 

Tommyrod, on 11 Feb 2014 - 8:26 PM, said:

Dude who are you

I've never read those books anyway

Did you tell us who we should be lynching today 

 

Good books and well worth reading.  Just skip books 7,8,9, lol

 

I thought Monk to start the day, then he claimed Han.  I have scum leans on Des, Tina, Cory, Kronos and maybe SP.  Town on Krak, Monk, AJ, CS.  Null on you, Turin, GE, Pral. 

 

 

Still wonder why he has a town read on Krak. 

 

TGlems, on 11 Feb 2014 - 9:35 PM, said:

No. I think the initial push on him was intent on frustrating him and I didn't like that (see my response to Des).  But, then he continued to meltdown and deserved to get lynched by the end of the day.  Two different issues. 

 

So you think they intended to frustrate him, which you didn´t like, but when it worked you thought that he was scummy? Kind of a contradiction.

 

 

I feel comfortable with a TG vote. 

 

Does that look better?

 

 

More posts comming up. 

[Niniel]

Here is my answers to Tom.

 

 

 

Why does people say that Des looks town? He is just making up reasons for voting Csarmi, who is obviously town. 
 
Vote Des
 
Didn´t like TGs fence sitting post.

 
He makes up cases every game.  He's null so far in my eyes.

 

 

Des is no chimneysweep but I've seen Salami as Maf for 2 day ones and both he was far more conservative

My meta read and tone read of playing with Salami is obv superior to Des lifetime of Salami play

 

 

Why does people say that Des looks town? He is just making up reasons for voting Csarmi, who is obviously town. 
 
Vote Des
 
Didn´t like TGs fence sitting post.

 
How is Csarmi obviously town - you can't be sure of anyone's alignment.
 
This one doesn't sit well with me.
 
vote tina

 

 

 

 

I can rarely read Des (or anyone else) the first days. A made up case is still a made up case.

Is that scummy though?

 

 
I would say yes. In fact - I´ll say yes. Do you think it´s something townies should do? Do you think it proves Des to be town?

 

I wasn't a fan of Tina's posts back here and I'm still not a fan of them now. She's asked Salami why he claimed right away, says Des is scum for fabricating cases... yet aren't those two sentiments (Salami did something scummy, Des did something scummy, therefore Des is scum for attacking Salami) kind of mutually exclusive at that point in time? Unless she thinks Salami hard claiming for no reason is pro-town, which it isn't... she might just assume it's true if she's scum and knows Salami is not scum though. She also showed zero interesting in engaging Nolder or figuring out what's going on there, as I've said before. Could be good old fashioned scum opportunism.

 

I don't have any meta with Kronos, is he just kind of... level one? He has a point that Salami shouldn't be "obvious town" but his posts are all kinds of meh.

 

 

No, I thought it was weird that Cs claimed that early but I believed his reveal. It should have been obvious. Des was scummy for making up a case on someone that I was convinced was town. I wasn´t interested in Nolder until he dropped the game. That is true. 

[Niniel]

Gah!

 

 

 

Ehm... show me any game here at DM where scum has started with a claim (lie detector proof) on day 1. And as other have pointed out, Csarmi usually plays more focused when he is scum.

 
"Scum would never fake claim on Day 1!"
 

 

 

 

 

I can rarely read Des (or anyone else) the first days. A made up case is still a made up case.

Is that scummy though?

 

 
I would say yes. In fact - I´ll say yes. Do you think it´s something townies should do? Do you think it proves Des to be town?

 

I've played with Des five or ten times now, I think

He does the over-reaching as either alignment

But he seems to not be at all restrained about it here so I'm leaning town

I find your stance surprising since you should have even more experience with Des than I do

He's hard to read but I didn't expect you to get @ him and not talk about Nolder at all

What do you make of the case for Nolder?

 

 
People put Des on their town lists. I have not seen anything that convinces me that he is town. I believe Csarmi to be town and I think Des made a crappy case on him. 
 
Not sure about Nolder. The "vote inactives" is his thing.

 

She seems to suggest Nolder will flip town here... saying that "vote inactives" is his thing is a very flimsy reason to lean town on someone. But then she says she's just flat null on him right after.
 

You don´t believe that Csarmi is town? To me it´s obvious that he is town.

That was @ Kronos of course.

This might actually spew Salami and Kronos clear if Tina is scum.
 

 

Yeah but Des had dat town!passion, you know? It wasn't mechanical. Scum v Town is always logical & mechanical, at least from experience it usually is pretty heavy and Despot is a strong player but it's very hard to fake that effectively.
 
So Tina you are NULL on Nolder?

 
Yeh.

 

bertstare.gif
 

 

 

Why does people say that Des looks town? He is just making up reasons for voting Csarmi, who is obviously town. 
 
Vote Des
 
Didn´t like TGs fence sitting post.

 
How is Csarmi obviously town - you can't be sure of anyone's alignment.
 
This one doesn't sit well with me.
 
vote tina

 

 
This post doesn't sit well with me.  Semantic tells are shown to not work.  You aren't picking at her game or thoughts, you're picking at her phrasing.  unvote vote WBK
 

Tom's town
 
mindmeld 4eva & eva

 
Already know

 

This one makes me laugh because Darthe has Kronos as his top scumread of the moment...
 

All new people confuse me, des is being des and always hard to read, Nolder is being Nolder, Csarmi strikes me as town because of meta, my best read is Tina...yes it's a semantic issue, but I play with what I have.

 

@WBK was that a dark souls 2 image in your siggy line up?

THEN JUST DROPS THE SUBJECT COMPLETELY

Darthe pro scum-hunter extraordinaire ITT

 

 

I still stand for my stance on Nolder. I didn´t say he was town because speaking about inactivity is his usual thing = null. Now, before you compare that to my case on Des - talking about inactives is not scummy in it selves, making up cases on someone that is probably town is. That is why I gave Nolder a meta pass but did the opposite to Des. 

 

 

 

Tina give Nolder a null read for being on his meta.
 
Tina votes Despo for being on his meta.
 
Yup, Tina/Nolder scum team.

 
Meta has nothing to do with my vote on Des.

 

 
Really weak response

 

 

Tina give Nolder a null read for being on his meta.
 
Tina votes Despo for being on his meta.
 
Yup, Tina/Nolder scum team.

Mafia is easy

 

 
 

It is.  Let's lynch them one at a time though to see who they most want to night kill.

 
Darthe was thinking Nolder/Tina scumteam and I agreed at the time

It's unfortunate Nolder was so terribad but Tina could be the scum we're looking for
 

Csarmi, please explain the logic behind character claiming for no reason. I'm genuinely interested. "Why not" and "because I felt like it" are not answers.
Please try and get your footing under you this game, if not you're just spamming nonsense.

 
Good man
 

 

Catching up

 
I can help.
 
DES WOT:
 
WOT incoming:
 
I hate this
 
I hate that
 
joke hahahahahahaha     
 
Oh DARTHE
 

 
Honestly?
 
scummy scummy scummy
 
 
this post was bad and so was this
 
 
Quote x1billion
 
           
 
boom, game cracked
 
inb4 darthescum obvscum trolloc woot woot
 
/Des'd

 

This is still the post of the game lol 
 

 

Hi puppets!  Just a heads up you'll get in trouble around here for calling people things like retarded.  It isn't enough to get you banned unless you do it regularly but it is generally pretty frowned upon.  I wouldn't edit it without mod consent but keep it in mind.

Noted. so, who're your scum leans at the moment? I'm so confused by Csarmi's behavior but people have brought up others as well. Monk's joke OP was a bit off-putting especially since that doesn't seem like his kind of thing to do

 

 

I think this is a townish post for SockPippets. Not clearing him yet, but it's a good sign as far as he is concerned 
 

Okay I think Fishlami may be spewed clear by Tina if Tina is scum, and there's more to suggest Tina is scum than Fishlami is scum as of this second

 

Unvote Salami

 

Vote Tina

 

 

Not weak. I probably voted Des despite his meta. He, and others, repeats this over an over that he makes bad cases both as scum and town.

[Tommyrod]

I don't understand. Are you suspicious of Des because you think he is pushing a scum agenda or do you think he's just annoying?

[Niniel]

I want to answer Des as well but it´s hard with his WoTs. I´ll see if I can find them. It was just easier to answer to Toms.

 

Other reads: 

 

Des - he says that I repeat my case on him over and over. That is probably true because that is what I´m suspicous about. He has twice started to lean town on me but then he goes back to a scum read since I don´t leave him alone. TG and Des have had a lot of interaction. If TG is mafia then I promise to read back on Des again and reevaluate my read on him. It might be that I´m just tunnelling. It´s just that have this strong gut feeling that he is scum. 

 

Krak - hasn´t done anything except voting Tom and gone after Csarmi for not hammering while he was asleep. Needs to do more if I should consider him town.

 

Monk - waffling back and forth about him. Meh! Show us that you are town if you are. 

 

Tommy - has scumhunted the way I have seen him before when town. His case on me is of course bothering. I don´t think the case on me is strong. Maybe it´s just because I know that I´m town.

 

Hally - doesn´t like Hally´s posts. Especially the parts about me. If TG is mafia then I think Hally is as well. I will quote one of her posts later to show what I mean.

 

Cory - just following along. Hiding behind Tom. I can´t read him. Will keep my eyes on him.

 

Golden - don´t know. A little townie, a little scummy, hasn´t posted much. Csarmi was right when he said that he didn´t play as usual but maybe he had listen to the critique about his play? I might need to check him out later as I´m unsure but will let Dice post first.

 

Pral - doesn´t like his case on me. Yeh, I realise I OMGUS much.

 

Is that everyone? 

[Niniel]

I don´t like this post from Hallia. 

 

Updated reads:

 

1. Des - UPDATE: Still liking your throught processes and casing.  And yes I am teh improved Hallz!

 

10. Turin - UPDATE:  I did think Csarmageddon was town(Welcome to the game Luci! ).  It was more in the way he did it and his current play that made me feel better about him.  As I stated before it was the way Tina went about saying he as town.  When I see the Tommy and crew say things like 'LOCK CLEAR' I take that with a grain of salt because I've never played with them before, whereas I have with Tina.  And I said yes, claims shouldn't clear anyone, but it can make you think twice if it sounds plausible.  It's not a 100% thing either way, and never should be.

 

9. TG - Mentioned something about Csarmi's spam but not anyone else's.  Why just him? UPDATE:  This was my previous read on him, I don't believe he ever addressed it.  I feel like he was focusing solely on Csarmi hoping for an easy lynch perhaps?  Because as most people know, Csarmageddon has a penchant for being lynched super duper early pretty darned often.  And then TG responded to heat with:

*grabs popcorn*

Which makes me sad, because that isn't the type of response I hope you would have when being questioned.  I do see you went back later and responded to Des's WoT.

 

5. Tina - UPDATE: You did a reread and kept the old names for people being replaced, and made no mention of new content.  What did you think of my opinion on you?  Still not pleased  v - See Below

I´ve read up until page 32. Will continue tomorrow morning. Will comment on what I have until this point and then go back to defend myself from those who voted me. 

 

Darthe: didn´t say much. Voted Kronos because Kronos voted me because I said Cs was obviously town. Not much more to say about him so far.

 

AJ: Voted X without reading the whole thread although the deadline wasn´t close. Seems like a strange move if scum. I don´t know. 

 

 

 

I'm happy with Tina or TG to be honest.

 

Vote Tina

 

She brings up more about TG than me but votes me. If TG is scum I think Hally could be as well. I have already commented on her strange comment to my quote. 

[Niniel]

I don't understand. Are you suspicious of Des because you think he is pushing a scum agenda or do you think he's just annoying?

 

See the post after yours. I don´t like the way he is going after Turin either. But I´m starting to wifom myself on my read on him. If TG is mafia then I will take another look at Des´s posts.

[Niniel]

Des, there isn´t a possibility that you could take all your points about me and post it in one big post that I can answer to? 

[Niniel]

 

Eh, Tina looks quite scummy at this point. I don't  like this quick unvote on someone who she had a strong scum read on. So,  he claimed Han Solo and she didn't even question that. I am usually wary of the people who start unvoting a train as soon as a claim comes in.

 

I´m here. 

 

Unvote

 

Fence sitting alert! I don´t like Monk´s early reveal. I´m aso quite sure that Basel has given out fake claims and from what I have seen of other mods recently they often give out some important characters. But... Han Solo could be an important person if he is in this game.

 

Will now begin my re-read. It will probably take a few hours.

 

 

Well, Han Solo should be an important character, right? I´m going back and forthe on Monk and I´m totally allowed to do that. I don´t need to have a clear read on him. 

[Tommyrod]

I can't follow your posts at all while I'm on my phone. I'll have to come back to this later. That's just a huge pile of confusion lol

[Niniel]

Yeh, sorry for the bad quoting. 

[Cory Caboose]

Don't bus so fast you might crash