[Basic] Blood Moon Mafia - Game Over.

[Alanna]

After a more careful reread, I'm getting mostly town vibes from Cloud, Hally, and GE. Tommy and Despo, null. I'm almost sort of maybe tending towards scum with Mish, but I guess I'm hesitant about that read because I felt the same way about her in our last game (I mean, before I joined the game as a mafia replacement :D) for a lot of similar behavior from her, and she was town. 

 

 

 

I don't see her doing all those as town. I think she got flustered at the early attention and slipped.

Tommy trying to be cute again. If you're town, I find the obvi-misrepping of my statements a clumsy attempt to look smart. I find it more likely you're scum hoping to brush off some early attention and hoping that will keep you under the radar for the next few days. 

 

 

Okay I totally got the quote all messed up here, but this was all from GE in a single post. Anyway, just wanted to answer - I think Mish gets flustered at attention like that as town too. She tends to get overly defensive about any attention on her, I think. That's why I don't see her behavior as necessarily scummy. I'm not necessarily getting town vibes from her right now either - she's just kind of null for me atm.

 

 

Here's a question - from a scum POV, what would be the point of pretending to not be familiar with the game setup? So Despo did that just to further his case on Mish? Super sloppy move, since it's a given others will immediately jump on him for making this mistake (as, you know, several people have). I just don't buy it.

 

I find this to be WIFOM at best. You are right that it would give the player in question only heat that he can't really do anything with, but at the same time he could also rely on other people defending him for not it being a logical move to make as mafia, like you are doing right now. I don't see Despo and Hallia trying to incriminate themselves at the start of a game however so I'm leaning more towards it being honest town mistakes.

 

 

It is WIFOM, but I meant more than that - to me, it's just not even a good play, or very necessary, since Despo had other points against her. I just don't see him pulling that out - I don't see much reason for it. 

 

I also think that Tom came out the worse after his exchange with GE, which I actually find quite surprising.

 

Yeah, agreed. 

[csarmi]

Golden you're making no sense. First you chastize Mish for saying that she wasn't given time to claim.

 

Then you go on about how not claiming wasn't indicative of her alignment (which she didn't say it were).

 

On top of all that, with a twist you ask her why she didn't say her piece at L-2. Where she never even had the chance to speak... which was kind of the point of discussion.

 

I get it. If she wears a hat, she's scum. If she doesn't wear a hat, she's scum.

 

Nice reasoning.

 

unvote vote Golden

[Andrej]

Vote Count 1.9

 

Despo (1) - Tommy

Mish (3) - GE, Cloud, Hallia

Hallia (1) - Mish

Goldeneyes (1) - Csarmi

 

Not Voting: Peace, Alanna, Despo

 

5 to lynch.

[GoldeneyesND]

Golden you're making no sense. First you chastize Mish for saying that she wasn't given time to claim.

 

Then you go on about how not claiming wasn't indicative of her alignment (which she didn't say it were).

 

On top of all that, with a twist you ask her why she didn't say her piece at L-2. Where she never even had the chance to speak... which was kind of the point of discussion.

 

I get it. If she wears a hat, she's scum. If she doesn't wear a hat, she's scum.

 

Nice reasoning.

 

unvote vote Golden

 

This is the exact opposite of what I said. Reading comprehension fail? She SPECIFICALLY says "I didn't claim so it's pretty obvious I'm VT." You strike me as someone who can't separate emotions between ongoing games, so I'm going to make it easy for you, I'm not engaging.

  

[csarmi]

I didn't bring up other games now did I?

 

You, on the other hand just did.

[hazelkrs1]

Csarlami youre reverting back to old form.

 

And thats not a good thing.

 

[csarmi]

Which is?

 

Hah.

 

Maybe cause now there's just the basic functions running lol.

[hazelkrs1]

I think you know what I mean

 

In case you still need a hint:

 

 

 

[csarmi]

Okay that hint is totally lost on me.

 

So what do you think about Golden?

[Tommyrod]

Salami would you mind giving your current list of thoughts on the players in this game?

 

Same to Peace, wherever he is.

 

Same to Allana. I find you difficult to parse.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay that hint is totally lost on me.

 

So what do you think about Golden?

 

So far, I'm feeling he's town. He pursued stuff right out the gate and saw some of the same possibilities I did. Seems very protown to me.

 

As for that hint, google "kurt vonnegut asterisk"

 

[Tommyrod]

Dear Des,

 

Please tell me about Allana and her typical play style. Do you think she is someone to keep an eye on in this game, or have you put her aside for a while?

 

Do you know if Peace said he would be gone for a few days?

 

What is it you don't like about Salami? He's too quiet?

 

Thanks,

Tom

 

P.S. I have been thinking about your scum meta, and though we seem to be in disagreement so far, my scum read on you may be misplaced this early on. If you are able to maintain this level of ferocity throughout the game, you will be less suspicious to me. If your activity falls off hard, I may be skeptical. I hope you think your arguments through a little bit more though, as the eagerness to attack on what I felt were flimsy reasons is what threw me for a loop in the first place.

 

I doubt Mish is the wolf we're looking for. Who is next best? (And don't say me :P)

 

Unvote Despot

[michellem]

I could not disagree more with this entire "you voted me while I wasn't online" horrible line of argument. You live on an entirely different continent than I do. We all live all over the world. Csarmi is asleep while I'm playing soccer! I have NEVER seen some unwritten rule or agreement that people should wait until each other was online to vote for you. If that were the case Hallia and Pral would win every game!   You're making up a fake reason to be offended. Come on now

 

 

^  Waiting for you to get online?  One can't be expected to know when everyone is or isn't online, else no one would ever get anything done!  No one hammered, I think this signifies a cautious mafia or a group anxious to save one of their own.

You put me at L-1 when I'd stacked up quite a few votes without being online (as apparant by my lack of posts)... You risked someone hammering me without me even being able to answer those accusing me. How is that in any way a pro-town move?

 

It might also signify that the mafia all was on my train already, you "forgot" to mention that possibility...

 

^^ This, thank you for punting it out Hallia.

 

I'm vanilla; should've been obvious by my lack of claim. I'm talking about the fact that Hallia put me at L-1 and risking that I wouldn't even get the chance to claim or say anything before being hammered, since I hadn't been on for hours. Misrepping much? (I know you like that word).

Again, just making up things you think "should be obvious." I don't understand this at all. By virtue of your not claiming I should believe you're town? Insanity. You also contradict yourself here: You're upset that you might not get a chance to claim, but then you argue that your failure to claim is a defense in and of itself because you're obviously vanilla? Then why would you care that Hallia put you at L-1? Cause according to you, your lack of a claim is basically confirming you as town.

 

What, to give me time to think out a falseclaim or something? Really smart in an open set-up.

 

And the scenario you described might be just what Hallia wanted to happen... What if that person was a townie too? Two town down just like that. Great strategy.

 

I know it's a small game, so as I said before, I'd expect people to be a bit more careful with their votes because it takes so few to get someone lynched.

Why???? You've played by far the scummiest game so far and people are voting you. The real question is, why didn't you claim at L-2 and then start kicking and screaming to avoid a lynch? Instead, you've been sarcastic and are basically blaming the people for voting you of being anti-town. I've got news for you. Even if the entire scum team were on your train and you are town, there would still be townies on your train. I'd expect town Mish to raise a big stink here, you haven't = scum.   

 

First off, the green part... Why didn't I claim at L-2? BECAUSE I WAS SLEEPING. When I went to bed, I had one vote. When I got up, I was at L-1. So unless you expect me to be psychic and wake up in the middle of the night because I on some level know that I've been put to L-2, I don't understand how you can chastise me for for not claiming at L-2...

 

Purple part: I ment my lack of claim after I did get online... The thing is, for all Hallia could know, I was the tracker or jailkeeper. Since I didn't claim when I got online after being put at L-1, it should have been obvious i was neither, as I'd claimed. But Hallia risked that I'd be hammered without the chance to claim; wich would have been majorly sucky for town if I was one of our PRs. And wouldn't mafia just love that?

 

 

Also, it's pretty common that when the person that's the leading train is in Europe, or Oceania in the case of Dap, Dice, most of the players know this and have a sort of feeling when those players are usually online. American evening means middle of the night in Europe. It used to be the norm around here at least to leave someone at L-2 to give them a chance to come in, say their peace, and claim if neccessarily. I don't think this has been discussed in games you've been in, but Hallia should know that.

[Tommyrod]

Mish, is your conclusion that Hallia is a reasonable wolf candidate due to her behavior?

[michellem]

Should be pretty clear by the fact that I'm voting her shouldn't it, Tommy? ;)

[Tommyrod]

Should be pretty clear by the fact that I'm voting her shouldn't it, Tommy? ;)

I'm not paying particularly close attention yet; just want stances to be clear for when I have time to sit down and parse through the thread from the beginning.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Not agaiiiin!

  

Nope I am town, not mafia or third party. What about you Mish?

  

I don't think I've seen Tommy as town, I've only played with him in the Christmas game

  

 

 

 

Good morning lovelies.

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

There's nothing improper about my gameplay. Not being the same as yours doesn't make it wrong.

  

It didn't come off as a  joke to me, but if that's what it was I shall take it as such.  Learning to be more vocal

  

I think Tommy's vote on you was just a joke, but Des's secondary vote on you struck me as just opportunistic.  Everyone's always all 'Let's lynch Csarmageddon!' all the time

  

I'm going to pursue that

 

Vote Des

  

It's early morning in Hallialand, I just got up and reread the thread, but I've gotta walk out the door to go to work, I'll post my thoughts on my lunch break.  However, @Tommy  I wasn't impressed with her response, but Despo's response was a null to me because I've seen him as mafia just go after me, but he would know that, so he could either actually be glad that I'm posting more, or just buddying.  Not sure yet either way.

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote Mish

  

Hallia's vote caught my eye more for her lack of developed reasoning... it just seems to appear. It surprised me when I saw it. I dislike surprises. I'm waiting for her lunchtime notes before I continue.

  

H'ok.  A couple of things.  Yes I did drop a fake lie-detector hint.  I know some people don't read set-ups, and the only people who should get up in arms about it would be scum.  Town wouldn't be worried about such a claim, and if scum got all antsy that's fine with me. (*cough*look someone didn't read the set-up*cough* ) XD

 

As far as Mish goes, I think she's more scummy than Des so I went with my gut.  Her response was 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hallia, very eager to get Day over with and me lynched? I hadn't even come online yet and you put me at L-1?

 

Vote Hallia

 

 

To OMGSUS

 

n my experience, scum Des is a tad more careful than town Des, naturally because as mafia he's more concerned with staying alive. Town Des doesn't care what his actions will make him look like. So him placing a vote without thinking about how many players it takes to lynch (at least that's how I saw it as) is more in tune with how I'll see town Des. Also, town Des always suspects me to be mafia so it doesn't suprise me he skimmed my posts when trying to apply pressure. I get more the feel that he's trying to test me now than anything else. I don't know how to explain better; with Des it's alot of gut read from me. He's reckless here and don't care how he looks, and that' makes me lean town. Doesn't mean I won't point out where he's wrong

 

I'm more supocious of Cloud for his parroting, and Hallia for the L-1 vote without even waiting to let me get online; seems like mafia in a hurry.

 

 

And then ^  Waiting for you to get online?  One can't be expected to know when everyone is or isn't online, else no one would ever get anything done!  No one hammered, I think this signifies a cautious mafia or a group anxious to save one of their own.

  

Found one though didn't I? XD

  

Des said he didn't, that's one

  

So Mish you think GE, cloud and I are the scum team?

  

^ what he said I'm on mobile eeeeevil!

  

You ninjad me the ^ as for your post regarding the L1

  

Your wording was confusing Mish you said "mafia all is on my train". So i asked

  

Probably because I don't think that's the case so I didn't list it

  

It is a word Csarmageddon!

 

 

Hallia's Mish vote pinged me and she's been precariously off topic since then, yet nobody is taking her to task for that. Why?

 

Here are all of Hallia's posts.

 

When I look at them all together, I see a very flat attempt at scumhunting, at best.

 

The Despot vote, for one. If she is genuinely concerned with Despot's alignment, would she not question his motives? Interact with him in any way at all?

 

She then jumps to Des because his response was... null? And because she thinks Mish is scummier now for "gut" reasons. I think the lie detector trap idea is ludicrous. I am town and it caught my attention. How you would know that only scum would make that a talking point is absurd.

 

The "no one hammered" line is only good if we know the wagon has no scum in it. One or both of the wolves could have been; we don't know yet. I say this is bad logic.

 

She then more or less exits from the arena.

 

There's a lot of misinformed logic at play in her reasoning... and what I see as underdeveloped and opportunistic voting. I don't know her well enough to say this couldn't be her (lousy) town game, so I would like all other players to comment on her post history.

 

Meanwhile, I am sufficiently suspicious to apply pressure where I think pressure is due.

 

Vote Hallia

 

Looking forward to the subsequent discussion.

[Hallia]

Yeah, I'm not a good player, but im working on it.

[GoldeneyesND]

 

I could not disagree more with this entire "you voted me while I wasn't online" horrible line of argument. You live on an entirely different continent than I do. We all live all over the world. Csarmi is asleep while I'm playing soccer! I have NEVER seen some unwritten rule or agreement that people should wait until each other was online to vote for you. If that were the case Hallia and Pral would win every game!   You're making up a fake reason to be offended. Come on now

 

 

^  Waiting for you to get online?  One can't be expected to know when everyone is or isn't online, else no one would ever get anything done!  No one hammered, I think this signifies a cautious mafia or a group anxious to save one of their own.

You put me at L-1 when I'd stacked up quite a few votes without being online (as apparant by my lack of posts)... You risked someone hammering me without me even being able to answer those accusing me. How is that in any way a pro-town move?

 

It might also signify that the mafia all was on my train already, you "forgot" to mention that possibility...

 

^^ This, thank you for punting it out Hallia.

 

I'm vanilla; should've been obvious by my lack of claim. I'm talking about the fact that Hallia put me at L-1 and risking that I wouldn't even get the chance to claim or say anything before being hammered, since I hadn't been on for hours. Misrepping much? (I know you like that word).

Again, just making up things you think "should be obvious." I don't understand this at all. By virtue of your not claiming I should believe you're town? Insanity. You also contradict yourself here: You're upset that you might not get a chance to claim, but then you argue that your failure to claim is a defense in and of itself because you're obviously vanilla? Then why would you care that Hallia put you at L-1? Cause according to you, your lack of a claim is basically confirming you as town.

 

What, to give me time to think out a falseclaim or something? Really smart in an open set-up.

 

And the scenario you described might be just what Hallia wanted to happen... What if that person was a townie too? Two town down just like that. Great strategy.

 

I know it's a small game, so as I said before, I'd expect people to be a bit more careful with their votes because it takes so few to get someone lynched.

Why???? You've played by far the scummiest game so far and people are voting you. The real question is, why didn't you claim at L-2 and then start kicking and screaming to avoid a lynch? Instead, you've been sarcastic and are basically blaming the people for voting you of being anti-town. I've got news for you. Even if the entire scum team were on your train and you are town, there would still be townies on your train. I'd expect town Mish to raise a big stink here, you haven't = scum.   

 

First off, the green part... Why didn't I claim at L-2? BECAUSE I WAS SLEEPING. When I went to bed, I had one vote. When I got up, I was at L-1. So unless you expect me to be psychic and wake up in the middle of the night because I on some level know that I've been put to L-2, I don't understand how you can chastise me for for not claiming at L-2...

 

Purple part: I ment my lack of claim after I did get online... The thing is, for all Hallia could know, I was the tracker or jailkeeper. Since I didn't claim when I got online after being put at L-1, it should have been obvious i was neither, as I'd claimed. But Hallia risked that I'd be hammered without the chance to claim; wich would have been majorly sucky for town if I was one of our PRs. And wouldn't mafia just love that?

 

 

Also, it's pretty common that when the person that's the leading train is in Europe, or Oceania in the case of Dap, Dice, most of the players know this and have a sort of feeling when those players are usually online. American evening means middle of the night in Europe. It used to be the norm around here at least to leave someone at L-2 to give them a chance to come in, say their peace, and claim if neccessarily. I don't think this has been discussed in games you've been in, but Hallia should know that.

 

 

Thank you for explaining your positions. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on the first part. For some reason you believe that everyone should be reticent about placing votes on people because those people could be a PR? Why would anyone assume they are voting for town? Town votes for the players they perceive to be scummy. I don't start out thinking "oh well Mish is probably a PR, but I'm going to vote her anyway." You've been playing scummy, no one is presuming you're a PR. I'm fairly certain we've found scum here.

 

As to the second part, you are correct it has NEVER been discussed in any of the games I've played in. I'll take your word for it though. 

 

Regardless of what manufactured argument you're proposing against Hallia and your bro Tommy wants to push "independently", you still showed up in-thread with plenty of time to defend yourself and have flailed and generally acted like town. 

[Tommyrod]

Yeah, I'm not a good player, but im working on it.

Hello. Where did you come from?

 

Would you mind responding to my questions? Such as:

 

Why did you not interact with Des if he was your top scum read early on?

 

How did a null post (in your words) from Des reduce your suspicion of him to the point where Mish became a higher suspect?

 

Why did you give little or no indication of your developing scum read on Mish before putting her at L-1?

 

What is your stance on Des now? Do you find it troublesome that your top two scum reads thus far probably wouldn't be scum-scum since Des is voting for her?

 

What do you think about the fact that it is one-way? Des seems convinced Mish is scum but she doesn't feel the same way about him. Since you think she OMGUS'd you as scum, why would she not do the same to him when he already had votes on him? I see this as a townie thought process on the part of Mish. Why do you not?

 

Why are you not pushing any new cases or pushing your current top scum read (Mish)? It looks like you are satisfied to sit back and let a lynch happen.

[Hallia]

I'm on mobile at work. I haven't stopped pushing Mish since I voted for her? My opinion changed on Des so I unvote him. Its kinda busy here so ill be able to post more on my lunch

[GoldeneyesND]

 

Yeah, I'm not a good player, but im working on it.

Hello. Where did you come from?

 

Would you mind responding to my questions? Such as:

 

Why did you not interact with Des if he was your top scum read early on?

 

How did a null post (in your words) from Des reduce your suspicion of him to the point where Mish became a higher suspect?

 

Why did you give little or no indication of your developing scum read on Mish before putting her at L-1?

 

What is your stance on Des now? Do you find it troublesome that your top two scum reads thus far probably wouldn't be scum-scum since Des is voting for her?

 

What do you think about the fact that it is one-way? Des seems convinced Mish is scum but she doesn't feel the same way about him. Since you think she OMGUS'd you as scum, why would she not do the same to him when he already had votes on him? I see this as a townie thought process on the part of Mish. Why do you not?

 

Why are you not pushing any new cases or pushing your current top scum read (Mish)? It looks like you are satisfied to sit back and let a lynch happen.

 

 

FTR- it's convenient to argue against using metas with you because this is EXACTLY how you played as scum last game we played together. You're very good at taking over a thread and getting people to forget why they were voting for someone.

[Tommyrod]

I'm surprised you had no additional commentary to make if you have been keeping up in real time.

 

Okay, get back to me.

[Hallia]

I also don't respond to name calling or aggression, I'm pretty soft hearted so I'll avoid you

[Tommyrod]

Golden, I cannot argue that I am similar as either alignment... the difference lies in who I am pushing. As town I push people I believe are scum. As scum I have to push people I know are town. I try to do so convincingly, and it's difficult. My warning to you not to rely on your meta knowledge of me is because I utilize similar logic and tactics and phrases as either alignment, and I will look scummy to you if you look for similar patterns. I am almost never cleared when I play as town for this reason... my scum meta follows me around like a lingering doubt. Anyway, I am glad to be town and a little out of the spotlight for once. I would like to hear your thoughts on Hallia given the commentary I just provided.