[Advanced] French Revolution Mafia - Day 3

[hazelkrs1]

 

Problem is...it had previously been stated by the mod we start the day with 3 when he posted the wiki link.

Well, to be fair, mod didn't actually say we all started with 3 loaves of bread. He just posted the link then said, "ONE OR TWO BALANCING MEASURES HAVE BEEN ADDED." Who's to say one of those "balancing measures" wasn't changing the quantity of loaves? I mean, I get your point. And once it's out in the open and being discussed? Sure, it makes sense. But don't you think it was strange that Des DIDN'T pick up on that? I mean, if it was supposed to be so obvious to everyone - scum included - why didn't Des immediately call Mish out on it as he is so apt to do? My gut? He didn't see it. And I think he didn't see it because Mafia have a different game mechanic for handling starvation.

 

LOL where did I saw it was so obvious to everyone? I never said that, you're once again pulling shit out of your ass. And it doesn't even make sense either. One second you're saying the scum should have been able to pick up on it immediately as well, then you say I didn't catch it immediately cause scum handle famine differently or something. So then it WOULDN'T have been obvious for any scummie.

 

Plus I gotta say I love the way you keep going "No yeah, I see what you're saying" and go RIGHT BACK to trying to push the same pile of garbage that has been refuted time and time again lol. But you're forced to. Your cards are all on the table, to try and backtrack now would make you look even more scummy. And you can't drop this thing about the "townslip", cause it's one of the only things you actually HAVE in your "case" against me. You pretty much admit as much later on.

 

 

So your "town slip" post could be a grasp at town cred yourself. It may not have been...but there is a possible angle there.

Valid concern and I can't refute this. So we agree I'm not auto Town. I'm okay with that. I would, in fact, expect heavy scrutiny if Mish were to flip scum at some point as the person that derailed her wagon. But I can't worry about that unless/until that happens.

 

 

 

Yates I literally pointed out the EXACT same scenario earlier when talking to you, and you contested the point then. Yet all of a sudden someone else points out the same thing and you outright agree with the scenario.

 

I was going to eat but this requires a response:

For every one post devoted to off topic stuff from me, I guarantee you I can find 5-10 posts devoted to scumhunting.

Come on. How do we tell Town scumhunting Des from Scum "scumhunting" Des? Again, I've been defended as scum for "scumhunting" in the past. Always makes me giggle.

 

 

 Lol are you complaining because I purposefully design my town meta and scum meta to be as close as possible? You want me to make it more obvious when I'm scum apparently?

 

 

WHY I THINK DES IS SCUM - WITH LINKS

 

 

So Des had been posting for a while when I came in and started getting caught up.

 

Then I made my "Mish Town slip" post at 18:33.

 

AJ saw it at 18:35.

 

As of 18:44 Des still didn't see it as evidenced by his accusation that AJ was "Pulling a 180"

 

I specifically address Des and straight up ask him if he sees the slip at 18:46

 

At 18:48 he admits "I didn't catch it."

 

At 18:49 AJ makes a post that clearly illustrates he isn't bluffing knowing the slip I saw.

 

At 18:51 AJ notes that Des "obviously doesn't" see the slip.

 

At 18:52 I am STILL giving Des the benefit of the doubt thinking he'll see AJ's post and figure it out.

 

At 18:56 Goldeneyes says I'm wrong and that mod even pointed it out indicating HE knew what I was talking about.

 

Only THEN - at 18:57 - does Des finally figure out it's related to bread.

 

Yet he still needs further clarification until he FINALLY puts it together at 19:12.

 

How long did it take you to see it again, Peace? It took Des several posts - including posts that almost spelled it out for him - and 45 minutes to get the Town slip.

 

Of course, once GE pointed out the mod post it wasn't really much of a secret anymore. That said, people were taking it seriously enough to start drawing their own conclusions. Ishy, for example, wanted to know who was still voting for Mish at that point after calling her Town. I point out Ishy because he just jumped on the AJ train even though AJ clearly saw the same thing that led Ishy to determine Mish was Town.

 

 

Spoilered all of your case that revolved around the "townslip" that has been proven to not be a townslip. 

 

 

OMG! Lookitthat! It's your entire case! Your ENTIRE case literally revolves around that thing which has already been shown to be a COMPLETE nulltell lol.

 

Fwiw, I obviously can't prove this, but I didn't read anyone else's posts for prompts of what too look for. I went back, and saw the mod post about how we could discuss how many loaves of bread we had, and a lightbulb popped up over my head. When I first read Mish's post, I honestly didn't really think there was any significance to her saying she would die by D4, since I had 3 loaves of bread as well. So my eyes rolled right over it.

 

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I don't townhunt as much early in games, or perhaps because of my disdain for using tricks like role pm hinting to catch scum, but I honestly didn't catch that immediately. I think I'm observant, but I def don't catch everything.

 

Besides, in retrospect the whole thing has been shown to be pretty much much ado about nothing. My theory about aristocrat scum starting off with more bread but going through it quicker was just me trying to game the mod based on flavor and theme, which I have tried to get away from, but apparently haven't all the way. Balance wise, it makes sense that scum would start off with the same amount of bread as the rest of us.

 

 

It's not the amount of posts he's making, but the content inside them.

Does Des post off topic more as scum than as town and can you prove it? That should settle this debate. If you can't prove he posts off topic more as scum than as Town, the point is moot.

 

 

My God this is inane. You seem to feel this persistent need to ask people to retrieve all this evidence from outside the game... as if that would prove ANYTHING. I've never seen someone rely on meta as much as you are this game.

 

Yates. Meta is NOT the be all, end all determining factor of whether or not someone is scum. I cannot believe you're having to be told this at this point in your mafia career.

 

Moreover even tho you're staging this post as if it's in defense of me, really it just looks like you setting up your scumbuddy to dig up more stuff from other games on me.

 

I edited out a lot of the other stuff in those posts. The last ones specifically are what sorta broke the camel's back. A lot of the other things I noticed are him making a lot of associative connections. The first starts in his 4th post where he claims GE could be trying to chainsaw defend Basel. He also calls Basel and Thorum potential teammates. He links Yates with Basel too. Later he makes all sort of crap revolving around Mish's wagon. Lily's vote was a bus vote. Me and Mish are distancing. Mish's wagon is a counter wagon to Yates, Basel and Peace. Mish's flip (if town) will make him pursue me, Lily and Hallia. Mish's flip (if scum) will make him look harder at Yates, Basel and Peace (again, for some reason). These don't really add up and are simply baseless on D1. I can understand looking for subtle connections like this as the game develops and using them later on once you have a few flips to solidify them but to me it comes across as him just throwing mud wherever he can so that later he can push a mislynch.

 

(this came out after his long multiquote post where he edited out all the gameplay part of various posts to make me look bad).

 

The entire rest of this post is all revolved around me looking for connections and possible teammates in the game. Guess what AJ. THAT'S HOW I SCUMHUNT EARLY ON. You've seen me town in enough games to know I do this. It's not premature either, since my reads of any possible connections can obviously change as we start getting diff flips. The point is, scummies aren't independant islands. They are a team that cooperates together with a joint strategy. As such, looking for early connections and links helps me to uncover their plots. Mebbe you scumhunt by waiting for a scummie to slip up so you can go for them D1. I don't play like that. I am proactive and I work to find my scum, and don't settle for one. I want the whole team.

 

 

 

Does Des post off topic more as scum than as town and can you prove it? That should settle this debate. If you can't prove he posts off topic more as scum than as Town, the point is moot.

 

I have already provided you with a link to one game. He was lynched D1 after another player (Ithi) picked up on the set-up spec. filler in his posts. I have 2 other games in mind where I know he was scum, so I will take a look at those. The one I provided just jumped out to me instantly after looking over the thread from last night.

 

Right. You linked to a game where scum Des does setup spec. I guess I should really be asking Des to DISPROVE your claim by linking to Town Des doing setup spec. Point being - it's only a meta tell if he does it as scum but NOT as town.

 

 

Omg you gotta be kidding me lol. Can you two be any more transparent?

 

 

Here's another: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-game-over-theo-wins/?p=3087355

 

Peace, you were actually scum with Des in this game so you saw him making a lot of set-up spec early on.

 

Here you'll see what I was talking about where he does the 'step it up town' thing.

 

Beauty. Actually uses to the OT thing as a reason to vote someone.

 

Set-up spec. He actually kind of distances away from his buddies here by naming their characters as the mafia team. Curious seeing as how I have picked up him (and only him) using the word 'aristocrat' several times when referring to the mafia in this game. I wouldn't be surprised if that word is used in some scum flips.

 

Anyway, I won't continue posting links to another game.

 

 

My point is this: My gut tells me Despo is scum. I have played with him enough to know that his playstyle will be similar regardless if he is town or scum. His likely argument to anything I bring against him in this regard will be in fact 'I do this as town or scum'. His posts feel off to me this game. Couple that with his baseless speculation of associative tells without prior flips and his excessive off-topic discussion I do not get the feel he is trying to actually find scum, but that he is one himself.

 

Spoilered the links from other games. Incidentally, the "setup spec" post you linked to came up in response to my character claim. I claimed Andrea, others said it would be a symp or something, and debate opened up about who the scum would be (whether it was dead characters or zombies or something). So the only reason I was involved in it in any way was because it was directly connected to my survival. Ergo, I didn't bring it up to distract town, I entered the conversation about it to make people believe Andrea would be town.

 

Anyways, bolded is you showing your scum colors proud. You're trying to preempt any defense I could submit before I have a chance to submit it. Trying to deflect the argument you know I'll make, which is RIGHT btw. And your case on me pretty much boils down to you saying it's a "gut" feeling, that my posts "feel off" this game, purposefully trying to be as neutral as possible to make it more difficult for me to respond. The baseless speculation of associative tells is how I scumhunt early on. I fling poo, as people say, and see what sticks. One of the best ways to get reactions from people is linking them to someone. You can judge from their reaction whether or not or how much they're fine with being linked to that other person. And excessive off-topic discussion? Puhlease. You tried your hardest to chop some of my posts together to make it seem like this was the case, and you still failed.

 

The township discussion carries little value with me. Occam's razor less. I don't mind Des' WoT when I see him posting game-related analysis. His meta no matter his role is generally to post til you get sick of him. I'm cool with that. This game his analysis has been weak, he allows himself to get pushed off of stances and I've seen him defer to others "disregard my meta argument." I find this odd. 

 

I've been scum with Des and this exchange reeks of QT planning. "Mish, you need to distance from me."

 

As far as being pushed off my stances this game, I just participated in the worst case I've ever seen of town on town violence. Some townies tunneled on eachother all day early in the game, one eventually sort of faked a guilty viewing on the other, and both ended up getting lynched. Town's morale never recovered. Because of this experience, I have been actively trying to make sure I don't fall prey to the same traps, and have tried to stop myself from getting tunnel vision. So that might explain why it seems that way (that same game also showed me how unreliable meta can be btw).

 

Dunno what to say about the Mish link stuff however, except that it's not true. /shrug

 

 

This is NOT difficult to understand.  Not sure exactly why you are being stubborn about it.

It's not.

I get it.

You are saying all the information was there from the beginning.

I agree with you.

That doesn't mean everyone actually *digested* it.

I think this is where the disconnect is.

 

I never clicked on the wiki link, for example. "Ok. It's a famine game and I know what the mod told me in my role pm. Let's go." I'm guessing Des didn't either.

 

 

No, I didn't click the wiki link, at least not initially (I did at some point before Mish's "townslip", but wasn't paying attention to how many loaves you started with). So I guess you could say I "half-digested" it ( ) or something, I dunno. Either way it's gross the way you're beating this dead horse.

 

 

well..lol, that is just really tough to prove and there is no evidence hinting at it.  Therefore, your reasoning is highly suspect.  Build another case or something.

There's not a lot more than THAT to build on. It's day 1 with no flips! :lol:

 

I have this.

I have the "aristocrat" thing.

I'm waiting for Des to defend his meta re: non game related stuff [like OR]

Plus there's a metric crap ton of relational tells.

 

I can't hand you a guilty investigation result.

 

What I *CAN* say is that even if you don't buy the Town slip argument for Mish, you really *SHOULD* buy it from AJ. The reason I say this is because even if you know that people have 3 loaves of bread? He referred SPECIFICALLY to his role pm when I asked about the slip. Scum wouldn't know that there was anything said about three loaves of bread in our role pm. They might have thought it was simply covered by the wiki link. Does THIS make more sense to you?

 

Here's you pretty much admitting that you don't have a case. "This" in reference to the "townslip" thing really means you have nothing there.

 

The aristocrat thing is you grasping at straws. We're in a freaking French Revolution themed game. Why WOULDN'T you assume the monarchy to be the scum? Since you seem to be so fond of role pm hints, what does yours say about the Crown? I know MINE doesn't paint a very good picture of them.

 

If you're waiting on me to fetch more meta examples for you, you're going to be waiting an awful long time lol. I'll say it again: I am NOT your lapdog. Fetching examples of stuff I've done in other games will in NO WAY prove myself to be town in this game, so why waste the effort? If you actually thought me providing examples of meta from other games to make me look more townie this game, then you're mafia skills need a lot of sharpening.

 

I prove myself town by trying to actively hunt scum and get my reads and reasoning for those reads out. Here's the catch tho: proving myself to be town isn't my highest priority. Not by a long shot. Catching the scum IS. If I die, my alignment will be proven then for all to see, and my reads will have been confirmed to be genuine. Until that point, you can take your requests for meta examples from other threads and shove em.

[hazelkrs1]

Wanted to do a reread of the thread but I ran out of time. Fyi, I'm off the next two nights so won't be as active.

 

For now, my best guess for the scum team is AJ, Yates, Lily, and Basel. I'm also slightly wary of Ishy since I think he could be buddying me- he hasn't said much this game except for his posts defending me/attacking AJ. And there's most likely a lurking scum out there somewhere. My best guess for that would be GF, he literally has half the number of posts as the mod, which is the bare minimum to not lose bread or w/e. And I don't think any of them were game related in any way. Hallia has been sniping tho, I could see her as scum. Pray and Elf are in danger of starving a lot quicker than the rest of us, not really much point in even trying to get a read on either of them. Interested in what Krak will have to say when he fully catches up. And that's all I got for now.

[elffern]

 

How about everything else that's been going on, Basel? What's your opinon on myself, Des, AJ, Lily, Yates, Golden...?

I'm going to need to do some ISO readings for that, which I've been holding off on doing while Cindy is here so I can spend time with her. (ISOing multiple peeps takes a ridiculously long time.) I should be able to get to that later on today.

 

On the "town slip". It's a null tell. The wiki article the mod provided states all players start with 3 loaves.

 

So I don't think her statement is an identifiable remark either way.

Why are you so quick to assume that Dap has designed this game to be exactly how the baker role works on the wiki, without making his own modifications? The wiki article says that all players have three loaves, but that doesn't mean that all players in this game have three loaves. (For the record, I have three loaves.)

 

This just seems to be a post engineered to drop that you have three loaves of bread, and reassure us that you have the same as the rest of us, and that's giving me some serious scum vibes from you

 

Basel

[dapianoplay3r]

Official Vote Count:

Yates (1) - Hallia

Thorum (1) - Basel

Mish (2) - Lily, golden

Elf (1) - Thorum

Lily (1) - Mish

AJ (3) - des, Peace, Ishy

Des (2) - AJ, Yates

Basel (1) - Elf

 

Not Voting (3) - Krak, GF, pral

 

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

.Deadline:http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140107T09&p0=22&msg=Day+1

A deadline is now in effect.

[michellem]

Uuuuugh. I honestly just want a lynch now to get a flip and then work from there.

 

I wish Hallia would move her "joke"-vote and place a serious vote somewhere.

 

I want Basel to recap why he's voting Thorum, and share why he isn't posting thoughts on anything else going on.

 

I want Lily and Golden to please share wth is the case on me, and how they feel about the other players in the spotlight. And I also want Golden to respond to my last post to him, but he seems intent on ignoring me.

 

I'm kinda pissed at Thorum for leaving an outlier vote when he knew he wouldn't be back before deadline.

 

I've been pretty clear in why I'm voting Lily, and I'm baffled no-one else has gone there.

 

Between AJ and Des, I have no idea right now what any of them are, and I'm getting a headache from reading the arguments that's gone back and forth.

 

Elf's vote on Basel... Well at least she's participating. I'd like some more reads from her, but I knew she was late to the party and is pretty new, so she'll get a free pass for D1. I do expect some more on D2 though.

[Yates]

These questions are for Des

NO ONE ELSE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS OR YOU WILL BE LYNCHED AND OR SHOT!!!

Related to the Town slip argument....

 

1. If I were to play a game of mad libs with you. And I asked you for a noun. And I'm spoofing a Guns and Roses song. Which Guns and Roses song would I be using and which noun would I change?

2. What is significant about the power of our votes?

 

If you can answer these two questions?  I'd be willing to call you Town and you will know I'm Town and we can work together to destroy scum forces.  And really?  That's all I want for Christmas is a Yates-Des scum destroying machine.

[GoldeneyesND]

I've already told you why I'm voting you Mish, I'm not repeating myself and I'm frankly uninterested in your obfuscation. I think it's important to note that there was a massive effort to misdirect people from the Mish vote mainly by Des and Ishy. Des fos'd everyone in the game for participating in an OT convo about Occam's razor that he essentially took the reigns on and now he's jumping on Yates cause he looks like the easiest mislynch candidate cause he's been wordy. I get annoyed when town allows what I perceive to be scum trains to be derailed so easily. D1 lynch should be Despo or Mish.    

[michellem]

And I ask you again Golden...

 

You say that Ishy jumping to defend me somehow makes me mafia. And I remind you again of the Walking Dead game where the exact same thing happened, and I was town and he mafia, so how does that say anything about MY alignement?

 

And the other thing I've seen you say, is that my aggresive playstyle is a sign of guilt... And again, I'll remind you that I was accused of that exact same thing in the Walking Dead mafia, and I was town. Some players have an aggresive playstyle, that's just how it is.

 

The third thing I've seen you say is that I posted just to post. Well I've pointed out posts by Lily wich is also just filler-posts, and you are not voting her.

 

Did I miss anything? Because I really do not see how you can paint me as mafia for 2 things you have seen happen in another game where I was town, and something that you say is scummy when I do it but not when others do it...

 

Also, you are misrepping. Yates was the first to try and take attention away from me. At least get your facts straight before you use it as scumtells. Also, I have no way o control what other people do. Do you really think the whole mafia team would tie themselves together that strongly on D1? It would be beyond stupid. If Des, Ishy, Yates and I were mafia together, when one of us got lynched, the rest would follow immedaitly when we're tied so strongly together. I would say it's more likely that between Yates, Des and Ishy there is at least one mafia, who's hoping to make me and the others defending me look bad if they get caught.

 

I say it again: You are tunneling, and you refuse to listen to logic.

[Graendals favourite]

Ok, here we are back.

[Yates]

In regards to my "misreps" and case on Des:

[spoilered to save you all the drama of a Des-Yates back and forth]

 

 

1. For the first misrep?  Ok.  You're right.  I thought that 19:57 post was the second time she asked and that the first time was in her big wall post the night before.  I was wrong/misrepping.  Your choice.

 

That said; what's the scum angle in misrepping something that can be disproven THAT EASILY?

 

2. Do you often see two scum working as closely in tandem as AJ and I?  Short answer please.  I realize it's a little bit WIFOM and a little bit meta and I will acknowledge it up front.  I just want you to think about your mafia experience and how convincing that "tell" actually is.

 

3. I didn;t say YOU said the Town slip was so obvious.  I was having a conversation with Peace.  Peace said all the info was already there.  This position suggests HE thought it was obvious.  "Misrep" on the part of Des or reading fail? Your choice.

 

4. "One second you're saying the scum should have been able to pick up on it immediately as well, then you say I didn't catch it immediately cause scum handle famine differently or something. So then it WOULDN'T have been obvious for any scummie." - I think you are reading a different game.

 

5. "Your cards are all on the table" - They are.  Who plays with an open hand?  This guy.

 

6.  "And you can't drop this thing about the 'townslip', cause it's one of the only things you actually HAVE in your "case" against me." - Yes.  As you point out, I have admitted it.  In case it wasn't clear?  I'm saying it now.

 

7.  "I literally pointed out the EXACT same scenario earlier when talking to you, and you contested the point then."  Did I?  I don't recall this.  Post #'s?

 

8.  "are you complaining because I purposefully design my town meta and scum meta to be as close as possible?"  No.  I am clearly pointing out that I agree with your assertion that you DO play your scum game EXACTLY like your town game.  As a result?  You claiming to have 5-10 "scumhunting" posts for every off topic post is null by your own admission.  Thus I'm asking you why this would in any way make you town since you are using it in a defense designed to prove that you are town.

 

9.  "I don't townhunt as much early in games" - Neither do I, typically.  But this stood out.  And I'll take 3 or 4 REALLY strong Town reads on day 1 over a giant pile of null any game.

 

10.  "My theory about aristocrat scum starting off with more bread but going through it quicker was just me trying to game the mod based on flavor and theme, which I have tried to get away from, but apparently haven't all the way."  That's great.  Our concern is as follows; where did the term "aristocrats" even come from?  WHY are you assuming that the scum are "aristocrats?"  What is everyone else missing?

 

11.  "You seem to feel this persistent need to ask people to retrieve all this evidence from outside the game."  AJ is giving you a scum point based on your meta.  He is claiming that you are scum because you post off topic like you did with the OR argument AS SCUM.  My counter argument is that it is only a "tell" if you do NOT do that as Town.  How would you propose we prove or disprove this point?  Think of us as the judge, AJ is the prosecutor, and you are the defense.  The burden of proof is on AJ since he presented that statement as "evidence" but you should be able to render his evidence invalid if - you know - it's invalid.

 

12.  "really it just looks like you setting up your scumbuddy to dig up more stuff from other games on me."  So you see where this accusation is silly given the point above?  You even quoted me saying it's only a meta tell if you do it as scum but NOT as town. "I cannot believe you're having to be told this at this point in your mafia career."  :p

 

13.  "I just participated in the worst case I've ever seen of town on town violence. Some townies tunneled on eachother all day early in the game, one eventually sort of faked a guilty viewing on the other, and both ended up getting lynched."  I have been in a similar game.  It isn't fun.  That's why I'm being respectful and giving you the benefit of defense rather than saying "omg you are wrong so you are misrepping or scum!!!"

 

14.  "Since you seem to be so fond of role pm hints, what does yours say about the Crown?"  Role PM or character story?

 

 

Edit: The hell??? You don't have SPOILER tags?!!

[Yates]

Never mind. It didn't spoiler the first time. Weird...

[michellem]

@Yates; there's a coding error, you have  [spoiler=] at the beginning, it shouldn't be a = there.

 

 

Has anyone here played a game with Golden where he was mafia? I've only been in one game with him where he was town, and I don't feel like he's playing the same at all. But it might just be his playstyle evolving so I dunno.

[Graendals favourite]

Myself am happy enough to chance playstyle, it's exhausting to just do this and that. The post-count restriction won't allow that anyhow.

[Graendals favourite]

Don't want to make a hasty vote though, last game I was partway responsible for outing the doc first day while cop, all I really managed in that game was stay hidden and then get the survivor lynched.

[Graendals favourite]

If I understand the twist here, people will start dying out of starvation on the fourth day or even sooner, but otherwise the game is what one might expect of an advanced mafia?

[Yates]

@Des - please don't answer 406 yet. Let me make sure I'm not breaking the game.

[michellem]

Ok I'm gonna ISO Golden, but I just got guests over so it'll be a few hours.

[Basel Gill]

I want Basel to recap why he's voting Thorum, and share why he isn't posting thoughts on anything else going on.

Oh, so my thoughts on Peace don't count then? I've already explained why I voted Thorum, Mish. Are you too lazy to go back and read what I already said? He's been defending and buddying me, and it gives me a gut creepy feeling.

 

Anyone with the time to comment on everything going on in a game with this many posts has way more free time than I do, and there are people who basically haven't commented on anything yet (GF comes to mind, he has yet to say anything remotely useful), so why the double standard? You've made some valid points here, and I have a town read on you so far, but drawing more people into the muck isn't going to help. It'll only make things harder to follow.

 

[Basel Gill]

Myself am happy enough to chance playstyle, it's exhausting to just do this and that. The post-count restriction won't allow that anyhow.

 

So instead you're happy to sit back and post random videos without actually doing anything to contribute to the gameplay? You've been pretty useless this game so far.

[Graendals favourite]

 

Myself am happy enough to chance playstyle, it's exhausting to just do this and that. The post-count restriction won't allow that anyhow.

 

So instead you're happy to sit back and post random videos without actually doing anything to contribute to the gameplay? You've been pretty useless this game so far.

 

No, that was more like to the old style, though I've usually also made my points. I think I'll go by the vein of the last posts, even if not on the verge of being punished for a sneeze (or rather a sudden flurry of activity)

[michellem]

 

I want Basel to recap why he's voting Thorum, and share why he isn't posting thoughts on anything else going on.

Oh, so my thoughts on Peace don't count then? I've already explained why I voted Thorum, Mish. Are you too lazy to go back and read what I already said? He's been defending and buddying me, and it gives me a gut creepy feeling.

 

Anyone with the time to comment on everything going on in a game with this many posts has way more free time than I do, and there are people who basically haven't commented on anything yet (GF comes to mind, he has yet to say anything remotely useful), so why the double standard? You've made some valid points here, and I have a town read on you so far, but drawing more people into the muck isn't going to help. It'll only make things harder to follow.

 

 

 

Basel I was looking over the VC Dap had just posted and wrote my thoughts on those voting, it was about getting people talking, not dragging anyone into the muck... It looked like you'd had your vote on Thorum for a very long time and I do find it interesting that you haven't moved it at all this Day. Yes you've commented on Peace, but not me, Yates, Lily, AJ, Golden as far as I have seen and there's been alot of important things going on. If you feel like your vote is legit, you shouldn't have a problem telling me again why it's there... Instead you get defensive. Why is that?

 

And of course I have a lot of free time. I can't work, remember?

[Basel Gill]

 

 

I want Basel to recap why he's voting Thorum, and share why he isn't posting thoughts on anything else going on.

Oh, so my thoughts on Peace don't count then? I've already explained why I voted Thorum, Mish. Are you too lazy to go back and read what I already said? He's been defending and buddying me, and it gives me a gut creepy feeling.

 

Anyone with the time to comment on everything going on in a game with this many posts has way more free time than I do, and there are people who basically haven't commented on anything yet (GF comes to mind, he has yet to say anything remotely useful), so why the double standard? You've made some valid points here, and I have a town read on you so far, but drawing more people into the muck isn't going to help. It'll only make things harder to follow.

 

 

 

Basel I was looking over the VC Dap had just posted and wrote my thoughts on those voting, it was about getting people talking, not dragging anyone into the muck... It looked like you'd had your vote on Thorum for a very long time and I do find it interesting that you haven't moved it at all this Day. Yes you've commented on Peace, but not me, Yates, Lily, AJ, Golden as far as I have seen and there's been alot of important things going on. If you feel like your vote is legit, you shouldn't have a problem telling me again why it's there... Instead you get defensive. Why is that?

 

And of course I have a lot of free time. I can't work, remember?

 

 

 

I'm not defensive, I just don't care for having to write out the same thing multiple times, and I never have cared for it. Once I put it out there on the thread for all to see, I shouldn't be expected to go over the exact same points I've already made once.

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YOUR CHARACTER STORIES ARE JUST FOR FLAVOR AND HAVE NO BEARING ON ALIGNMENT. THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT.

 

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[Pralaya]

@Yates; there's a coding error, you have  [spoiler=] at the beginning, it shouldn't be a = there.

 

 

Has anyone here played a game with Golden where he was mafia? I've only been in one game with him where he was town, and I don't feel like he's playing the same at all. But it might just be his playstyle evolving so I dunno.

 

Oh yes. He is really, really aggressive as mush. He is not like that this game.

[Yates]

@Des - It's ok to proceed...

 

You can skip question #2.  It was a red herring anyway. 

These questions are for Des

NO ONE ELSE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS OR YOU WILL BE LYNCHED AND OR SHOT!!!

Related to the Town slip argument....

 

1. If I were to play a game of mad libs with you. And I asked you for a noun. And I'm spoofing a Guns and Roses song. Which Guns and Roses song would I be using and which noun would I change?

2. What is significant about the power of our votes?

 

If you can answer these two questions?  I'd be willing to call you Town and you will know I'm Town and we can work together to destroy scum forces.  And really?  That's all I want for Christmas is a Yates-Des scum destroying machine.