[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[Krakalakachkn]

That post doesn't state what you think it states. Nice try though.

[_CLOUD]

Your'e right, I did use the word scum, but that was pretty scummy. You claimed to know what you couldn't know as fact.

 

I suspected that you didn't have any good reasoning for doing what you did, and apparently I was right after all ;)

[Leelou]

 

##unvote

 

I need to go back and read a couple more people, but I'm starting to get a scum lean on Peace after his interactions with Nol.

 

Interested to see what you glean.

 

 

I'll get to this in a couple hours, I'm getting my game started right now. 

[Krakalakachkn]

 

 

Your'e right, I did use the word scum, but that was pretty scummy. You claimed to know what you couldn't know as fact.

 

 

I suspected that you didn't have any good reasoning for doing what you did, and apparently I was right after all ;)

 

If that's your takeaway, I'm not going to argue that point anymore. This conversation is so booooooring.

[_CLOUD]

I agree. It's tiring as ****, but nobody else is posting right now.

[Elaevia]

@Via - I was talking about Nolder

Thanks! :)

[_CLOUD]

So I went back through Peace's posts expecting to find something condemning him, but to my surprise didn't find anything obvious. He's been pretty consistent on his reads, placed a vote on Golden and explained himself, and has picked/entered into several fights with various people. My only question is,

 

@Peace: do you still have scum reads on Elf?

 

His vote on Golden could as easily have been a distance vote which turned in his favor after Golden got lynched.

 

What do you think about his back and forth with Nolder?

[Krakalakachkn]

Hoof has been pretty wishy-washy. I can't tell the exact timeline on my phone, mainly because DM doesn't do proper ISOs and the workaround method sucks, but it seems that he wasn't really suspicious of me or Hallia until other people were vocal about it. He was highly suspicious about Nolder until (I believe) you posted about Nolder being likely town. The only good part being that at least his reads aren't static.

 

When asked to explain his scum read on me and his vote on (Hally?), his response was "they could both be scum," which is hardly heartening.

 

 

If I'm wrong about the timeline before I get to a proper computer, please tell me.

[Krakalakachkn]

 

So I went back through Peace's posts expecting to find something condemning him, but to my surprise didn't find anything obvious. He's been pretty consistent on his reads, placed a vote on Golden and explained himself, and has picked/entered into several fights with various people. My only question is,

@Peace: do you still have scum reads on Elf?

 

 

His vote on Golden could as easily have been a distance vote which turned in his favor after Golden got lynched.

 

What do you think about his back and forth with Nolder?

 

I think it'll be really funny if they're both town as Nolder called him out on D1 for causing some serious town-on-town violence several games past. I mean, it could obviously be distancing, but I'd believe that more readily if he hadn't done the same with Tommy and...Turin?

 

The golden vote could easily be distancing, but he gave a pretty good reason for it too. It's enough to give me pause for now.

[Elaevia]

@Cloud - I disagree about mafia team not working in tandem when it comes to emotion. I have seen, and been a part of, QT's where teammates are telling others to chill, or be careful with their responses when it comes to emotion. If people are working together as a team, why rule that possibility out?

 

 

 

I have edited this quite as I am just commenting in this bit.

 

I think the influence the mafia team has on each others would vary very much depending on who the team is, how emotional or otherwise they are as a person, the time zones they are in and when they have had a chance to read the thread and post in the QT...... So really too many factors to judge right now.

 

Though in theory that is how a mafia town would work, watching each others backs, but in this case wew can't start supposing on what is happening on the mafia thread.

 

 

And am I the only one here who doesn't view skimming as a scum tell? >.>

Not a scum tell really, but not helpful to town - which is why I don't like too many posts that quote posts that quote posts etc as I find that more difficult to read and I catch myself skimming

[keyholder21]

 

@Cloud - I disagree about mafia team not working in tandem when it comes to emotion. I have seen, and been a part of, QT's where teammates are telling others to chill, or be careful with their responses when it comes to emotion. If people are working together as a team, why rule that possibility out?

I have edited this quite as I am just commenting in this bit.

 

I think the influence the mafia team has on each others would vary very much depending on who the team is, how emotional or otherwise they are as a person, the time zones they are in and when they have had a chance to read the thread and post in the QT...... So really too many factors to judge right now.

 

Though in theory that is how a mafia town would work, watching each others backs, but in this case wew can't start supposing on what is happening on the mafia thread.

 

Why do you choose this to respond to out of everything else that's been said recently? That's weird to me. Also, it's way less about what's on the mafia QT and more about Krak's aggressive post and whether it should be viewed as scummy or not.

[_CLOUD]

That's because Via is fake scumhunting. Can we lynch her and Krak now plz?

[Elaevia]

So you thinking then that as the deadline got closer and it looked like GE was going down instead of Nolder there was some bussing?  Elf's hammer was super scummy to me, and also their admitted skimming.

 

##vote Elf

 

 

I would have thought that Cloud (as the vote before the hammer) would seem more suspicious to you by this logic. I don't see anything wrong with Elf's - no read either way her vote.

 

But as I recall you stated your intention to hammer.

[Elaevia]

@ Key - I'm commenting at a discussion that was happening a little while ago. I quoted you to illustrate what I was commenting on, though my post wasn't aimed directly at you, which I could have made clearer.

 

@ Cloud - I am trying to remember how long you have been setting up my lynch from, I think it's almost the entire length I've been in the game!

[_CLOUD]

Yes, and it appears that I'm doing an exceptionally poor job at it too.

[Elaevia]

ah well, practise makes perfect I suppose!

[Krakalakachkn]

Yes, and it appears that I'm doing an exceptionally poor job at it too.

Remind me what* your case is?

[Krakalakachkn]

@Via - do you have any reads?

[Nolder]

Sorry for the blowup yesterday guys.

I'm sure you've all been there before yourselves, working on something tediously for hours and then it all just crashes.

Yeah well I'm not going through that again but I'll go through Goldeneye's three most important posts which is where he gives his thoughts on everyone and if anyone has any questions on what I think beyond that just ask.

[Nolder]

@Nol: post it on the Bug board - I can't fix that.

 

Also, nobody else has ever complained about it to me.....and I've never had a problem with it.

 

Methinks the problem lies somewhere between your chair and your keyboard.

 

;-)

(j/k)

wat

 

Quote this post with "lights on". Put your cursor right here ----> <------.

And then hit enter twice. What happens? It used to be the quote would split and you've have two quotes by me.

One quote ending at the arrow pointing right and another quote starting with the arrow pointing left. Now if you do that it should just give you two spaces (aka there is no way to break quotes without doing it manually with "lights off") and if you're inside a quote box and you don't want to be sometimes if you hit enter it takes you out of that quote box into a new quote box that is empty...and if you hit enter it does it again. Kind of like a slime monster that keeps splitting every time you kill it. You've never had any of these problems? Do you only use mobile?

[peacesells]

## vote Nolder

 

If Nol flips town then I will start looking your way Tom, you seemed to be tunneling on him lately

 

This was vote #6 on Nolder.  Normally a good place to bus...but his attached comment causes some doubt.  Looks like he knows Nolder is town and wants to set up Tommy when Nolder would flip.

 

 

## vote Nolder

 

If Nol flips town then I will start looking your way Tom, you seemed to be tunneling on him lately

 

What are you even saying here? Not only have I *not* been tunneling on him, but I just myself expressed doubt about this wagon since it's got a pretty big majority for D1. You'll notice my vote's not on him.

 

Seriously, wtf. 

 

 

Tommy's reaction here makes it look like a true WTF moment. 

 

So, given this.  I had Nolder as 9 on a 10 scale as likely scum.  I'll dial that down to about a 6 with 5 being neutral.

[peacesells]

I really don't like the Hally train FWIW. She's scummy by inactivity basically, but I dunno how voting her makes any more sense than voting an inactive. I have repeatedly been called out for wanted to lynch in actives early, just saying. 

 

Here is a post where he basically defends Hally.  He has others.  So, I'm still secure in my current vote.

 

 

I suggest everyone ISO Golden.  He has some real gems in there.  And it isn't a trully long ISO either.  Well worth the re-read.

[peacesells]

Just did and ISO read on Krak.

 

Is the case on him the interaction between him and Cloud?

 

The worst I saw was something that could be construed as a defense of Golden when Krak was tearing up Turin's read on everyone post.

[Blackhoof]

So you thinking then that as the deadline got closer and it looked like GE was going down instead of Nolder there was some bussing? Elf's hammer was super scummy to me, and also their admitted skimming.

 

##vote Elf

It's certainly a possibility, but this vote reeks. For one, you were also about to hammer, from what you said, Krak as well, making you both as guilty of this as elf.

Terribly scummy action, hally

 

And am I the only one here who doesn't view skimming as a scum tell? >.>

Not necessarily, imo. But as mafia, one can rely on teammates more, and besides, they don't NEED to case as much as a townie, only to put up appearances.

[elffern]

 

VoteCount Day01#17

 

 

01 - Peace: -> Elf -> Golden

02 - Cloud: -> Elf -> Turin -> Hoof -> Turin -> Nolder -> NULL -> Krak -> Golden

03 - Krak: -> Cloud -> Hoof -> NULL

04 - GoldenEyes: -> Elf -> Via -> NULL -> Nolder

05 - TommyRod: -> Peace -> Turin -> Hoof -> NULL -> Nolder -> Hally -> Golden

06 - Leelou: -> Nolder -> Hally -> Nolder -> Golden

07 - Theodora: -> Golden

08 - Elffern: -> Peace -> NULL -> Nolder -> Golden

09 - Hally: -> Golden -> Nolder -> NULL -> Krak

10 - BFG: -> Golden -> NULL -> Nolder

11 - Via: -> Golden

12 - Nolder: -> Hally -> NULL -> Theo

13 - BlackHoof: -> Peace -> Nolder

14 - Turin: -> Tommy -> NULL -> Krak -> Golden

 

 

 

Golden - 8 - Peace, Thea, Via, Turin, Tommy, Leelou, Cloud, Elf

Nolder - 3 - BFG, Hoof, Golden

Krak - 1 - Hally

Theo - 1 - Nolder

 

Not voting: Krak

8 to lynch.

Deadline: 2013-12-29, 20:00 GMT - this is final, no extension will be given

Countdown: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131229T21&p0=50&msg=ChristmasMM-D1

 

That's a lynch. Scene incoming.

 

 

 

I flat-out diagree with most of those accusations of late- you are the one constantly bringing up his setup talk, he hasn't mentioned it in pages. He has been scumhunting recently and posting relevant things.

Also, as cloud said, it is unlikely that both he and golden are scum, given their trains

I'm curious about something. You say it's unlikely they're both scum given their trains, but if he were town (provided the entire scum team wasn't already on Nolder) wouldn't they have just figured out reasons to vote him in order to save one of their own?

 

Well, the only confirmed mafia at the moment is golden, who was indeed voting Nolder. Chances are, other scum were voting Nolder as well. The problem for them is that there aren't many of them, and they do not want to give away too much by simply voting for someonw other than a teammate.

 

It is mainly the speed at which Nolder's train built, not necessarily that he was competing with Golden so closely.

 

So you thinking then that as the deadline got closer and it looked like GE was going down instead of Nolder there was some bussing? Elf's hammer was super scummy to me, and also their admitted skimming.

 

##vote Elf

 

... what? Seriously what?

 

Ok, as has been mentioned you where the one that first said 'intent to hammer', so you said, oh ill hammer, but lets see if golden can get out of this first. Like you wanted him not to get lynched if you could help it, you see how that might be more scummy than actually hammering.

 

Where at that point did I say I'd skimmed? Other than my last post, I can't remember skimming? Is that what you mean? is so, I did say that I was going to come back today do a proper read through.

 

And yes hammering does look super scummy. That's why if I was actually scum I would have buried my vote, in the middle somewhere. Obviously you just have to take my word that I'm not double bluffing

 

Also am I the only one who doesn't think the nolder train wasn't too fast? I think at that point he would have gone down as most scummy in game imo, and so the speed just seems a result of that rather than mafia piling on. I mean obviously its worth a look, but I actually find it more interesting that he got that close and then wasn't actually lynched, he was at L-1 at one point until cloud unvoted