[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[Hallia]

Let's discuss Halli's EOD1 play. 

 

I think you guys remember the prior discussion I had on Hallia:

 

 

Opening post #27 pinged me on second read considering how little has been said by Hallia. It's both off-topic and me-too-ing the friendly chat that Theo and Hoof had already. Notably, Hally joins in on Hoof's spam-fest in #53. Damn, Hally hasn't said poop so far. She comes back in #223 with more Christmasy stuff. 3 posts in 3 days? That's pretty inexcusable since she's showing that she's still aware of the game and hasn't forgotten about it. If Peace/Turin end up cocky/lazy masons and not mafia, I'd turn attention here, especially the Hally/Theo/Hoof trio as they've been chummy for no apparent reason.

 

 

I'm chummy with everyone always!  It's in my nature.

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Hallia’s return to the game in #386 pinged me because the sole thing she finds to comment on is Goldeneye’s one-off post from a while back? She says she agrees with Golden about Tommy and Turin being town and thinks Cloud is town. This post from Hallia is one of those I see a lot with mafia talking to mafia and trying to distance from each other by having different reads (like on Cloud). Bad post. Disappears for a while again and mentions an excuse for being gone… not a great re-entrance. Defends Turin with the most forced post I’ve seen in a while, #446. Calls out Peace’s “not a debate club” comment, that actually makes me feel better about Peace being town since I’m starting to lean scum on Hallia.

 

 

It seemed like a good post.  I still have town reads on you and Cloud.  

 

After Golden flipped mafia, I have to reconsider the timing of her vote on Golden in #496. She put a vote on Golden when he had 3 votes on him (Peace, Thea, Via), making Hallia the fourth in #496. This is good… except she jumped ship. If Via and Hallia are scum with Golden, this makes sense; it’s an early bus on their teammate to gain town cred before the lynch is pushed onto a townie (which often happens on D1). Let’s explore this idea. When Turin votes for Krak, Hallia agrees Krak is scummy. When Nolder asks Hallia for clarification, Hallia says don’t be lazy, says Nolder had 10 minutes to find her post, and then immediately votes for Nolder. That’s enough to make the jump from Golden (her only scumread up to this point) to Nolder? I don’t think she talked about Nolder much before that, if at all? Nor has she talked about Krak.

 

Yes, because my dear mentor reminded me I should always be willing to dig things out as town.  I've got nothing to hide.

 

Oddly, Golden says in #535 that he doesn’t like the case on Hally, even though her vote was just on him. This is a pretty big ping and enforces the fakely antagonistic Golden-Hallia connection. If Golden was scum and Hallia was town, why would he be defending her when there’s a wagon developing on her? It's an ideal mislynch opportunity. The wagon at the time on Hallia was: Nolder, Leelou, Tommy. Yet Golden doesn't try to jump on. That's massive.

 

It was more that Golden wasn't really responding at all if I remember correctly.

 

Hallia then has her mentor speak through her in an attempt to defend herself… the defense from her mentor to Leelou’s vote on Hallia and my commentary on her opening is bizarre. When she comes back in #576, her question to Nolder (the person her vote is on) isn’t really about the game, but is about a hypothetical scenario involving drawing the night kill? You don’t have a better question than that for your new highest scum suspect? They have a short back and forth and Hallia says she’s feeling better about Nolder. Alright. Back to Golden then? No..

 

Hallia then asks Cloud why he wants to lynch Krak. This is the second time she’s seen a likely townie (Turin, now Cloud) put suspicion on Krak without her discussing Krak herself. Cloud gives his reasoning, and Hallia immediately votes for Krak in #597. What happened to Golden? As if knowing she'd be called out on it, she self consciously acknowledges she hasn’t been putting her thoughts in the thread in #599.

 

My mind was changed by Nolder, so I unvoted him, Cloud made a good point vs. Krak and so there was no harm in seeing if some other person could be voted for.  I was here for the deadline, along with several other people.

 

At this point the wagons are:

 

Golden - 5 - Peace, Thea, Via, Turin, Tommy

Nolder - 5 - BFG, Elf, Hoof, Leelou, Golden

Krak - 2 - Cloud, Hally

 

Now she’s quiet, only commenting on how she isn’t on the Nolder wagon anymore after I explained why I was uncomfortable with it. In #655 she says Golden is still on her scum list – good. But why isn’t she voting for him? She has been talking about him for half the game. Now that a wagon is building on him, she’s waiting for him to respond? Okay, fine. She makes the “intention to hammer” post in #664. But if he’s been a big scum lean for her, why not just hammer it now? Is Golden really gonna change her mind entirely in 30 minutes? We know she’s still around as she keeps posting. Elf hammers him.

 

Because I felt it was owed, as it is to anyone?  

 

If I read these events in a vacuum, I see obvious scum. If was a day vig I'd just shoot her right now. I want more people to weigh in on this.

 

##Vote Hallia

 

You'd be wrong

 

Edit reflects response color change, sorry ModdyGoddy!

[_CLOUD]

##vote nolder

 

His voting actions yesterday were scummy.  Looked made to hide any info incase he got lynched.  His reasoning did not suffice to me.

 

How would his vote on Theo hide any info incase he got lynched, and wouldn't it have been scummier if he ended up voting for Golden? You have played more games with Nolder than I have so you should also know that he goes after inactives a lot. Also, what parts of his reasoning did you not agree with? I ask you to be more specific because right now this post is barely scratching the surface for why you have a scum read on someone at this stage of the game.

[Leelou]

06 - Leelou

Leelou I still don't trust much. You guys can spin it as "scum paranoia" if you want to but I have been lynched on Wednesdays as a joke, both as town and scum, enough to justifiably be paranoid. Blackhoof and Darthe too have both been subject to Day 1 lynches that were driven more by lulz than anything else. They know, Verbal too. And so does Leelou which brings me back to what I feel is a healthy distrust of her this game. I admit I haven't played close attention to her interactions with other people thus far so I can't give much input there but I do notice that if Peace was scum burying his vote early Leelou is the one I'd pick for burying her vote late. She didn't give what I deemed to be a good reason for jumping on Goldeneyes train, just said he was "illogical" basically. Would like to see her explain that vote further.

 

 

You are being super paranoid. I haven't attacked you at all. You know what, why don't you point out where I am attacking you? I had a discussion as to how I wasn't pushing a lynch on you. I explained why I voted you the second time, responded to BFG about what I was thinking of your play, but not once did I attack you or try to drive a lynch on you. 

 

I said how I was feeling about Goldy twice. He has a very different style from town to scum from what I could see in the few games I've seen him play. He was on his scum meta.  

 

1:

 

 

I'm mostly getting town vibes from Cloud, Tommy and Krak. 

 

Turin, I'm not sure if he's really just being a stickler for the personal attack thing or seriously thinks Tommy is scum. He's one I want to watch because if it's the first thing then that is not helpful to town at all. I also don't really feel like he's defending himself well. 

 

Peace is hard for me to read since he is always very stubborn. He's in my null to scum pile right now. 

 

Goldy is coming off more scummy than townie this game. Townie Goldy is more precise. I'd feel comfortable voting him today. 

 

Hoof is an easy day 1 lynch because the scummiest things flow out of his mouth regardless of alignment. He's one to watch for now. Not sure if I like the votes on him. 

 

Elf seems stubborn, not sure about her since I don't believe I've played with her before. 

 

Nolder - he'll show his ass after a couple days if he's scum. 

 

Hallia has a bad habit of not posting game content. She does this more so as scum and I don't like that the only thing she's commented on so far is a post by Goldy. I could vote for her. 

 

Now I'm just waiting for Theo and Via to catch up and post before I can get a feel for them.

 

I really wish BFG would post some more. 

 

##unvote, ##vote Hallia

 

2. 

@Nol - Wombat really isn't posting much in my mentor thread. I only voted you this time because I didn't want us to miss a lynch and I wasn't sure if I'd be able to get back on before deadline. If you notice I was seriously voting Hallia up until a couple hours ago. She skates through more as mafia than as town. She has been posting a bit more so I feel slightly more comfortable with her around, but I don't like how she was quoting Yates last night. 

 

I'm uncomfortable with Goldy's posts in general. The first game I played with him as town he seemed to take a more logical approach to the game, the last game I saw him in he replaced in for me and was scum and that is more how his style feels right now. 

 

##unvote, ##vote Goldy

 

Answering BFG: 

 

Leelou, what do you think of Nolder?

 

I am trying to remember if I've played a game where Nol was actually scum. I don't like it when he plays lazy like this, but he's done it a few times as town. The only game I can think of recently he was scum in was an experimental game I was running on JN and he was actively pushing the townies. 

 

 

 

I voted you and have explained that to you above under "2": 

 

 

##unvote, ##vote Nol

 

I don't know how long I'll be around today and I really hate no lynches. 

 

 

 

 

I have an idea, why don't you follow me onto Theo and we'll try to take out the lowest postcount player besides the replacement?

That'd make me feel a whole lot better about you I think.

 

##Vote Theo

This is a blech vote. Starting a new train, on an inactive less than two hours before deadline? How would that make you feel better about leelou, nol?

 

At the time I had a theory about Leelou attacking me because she was on a mafia team with inactives.

If she followed me onto one it would have blown my theory up but she didn't and so I'm still very wary of her.

 

 

Theo said she wasn't around because she was sick, which I responded to you. I didn't feel comfortable voting for someone who said she was sick and in bed. The fact you are still pushing that even after you saw Theo's post in your catch up is ridiculous. 

 

 

 

@Nol - Wombat really isn't posting much in my mentor thread. I only voted you this time because I didn't want us to miss a lynch and I wasn't sure if I'd be able to get back on before deadline. If you notice I was seriously voting Hallia up until a couple hours ago. She skates through more as mafia than as town. She has been posting a bit more so I feel slightly more comfortable with her around, but I don't like how she was quoting Yates last night. 

 

I'm uncomfortable with Goldy's posts in general. The first game I played with him as town he seemed to take a more logical approach to the game, the last game I saw him in he replaced in for me and was scum and that is more how his style feels right now. 

 

##unvote, ##vote Goldy

I don't know. It's hard to tell with you right now.

To me it all looks like a setup and if you're scum you could just lie about Wombat's activity.

Or even if you aren't the plan could just be your own anyway.

 

I have an idea, why don't you follow me onto Theo and we'll try to take out the lowest postcount player besides the replacement?

That'd make me feel a whole lot better about you I think.

 

##Vote Theo

 

 

Theo was sick, I was waiting to see if she popped back into the game or not. 

 

 

[csarmi]

You might just get a votecount once I wake fully.

[_CLOUD]

That's one messed up sleeping schedule dude :P

[csarmi]

VoteCount Day02#02

 

 

01 - Peace: -> Nolder

02 - Cloud: -> Krak

03 - Krak: ->

04 - GoldenEyes

05 - TommyRod: -> Hally

06 - Leelou: -> Via

07 - Theodora Key: -> Krak

08 - Elffern: ->

09 - Hally: ->

10 - BFG: ->

11 - Via: ->

12 - Nolder: ->

13 - BlackHoof: -> Nolder -> Hally

14 - Turin

 

 

 

Nolder - 1 - Peace

Krak - 2 - Cloud, Key

Via - 1 - Leelou

Hally - 2 - Tommy, Hoof

 

Not voting: The rest of ya lazy folks.

7 to lynch.

Deadline: No deadline in effect

Countdown: No countdown in effect

[csarmi]

That's one messed up sleeping schedule dude :P

You're envious, that's all.

[Nolder]

List of possible roles in the game:

• Vanilla (VT/Goon) - Can be either Town or Mafia. They have no night actions. People tend to call roleless mafia members goons.
• Godfather (GF) - Alignment: Mafia. Views as Town.
• Roleblocker (RB) - Alignment: Can be either Town or Mafia. Can prevent another player's night action from taking effect. This action itself cannot be blocked. Can be X-shot.
• Finder (Cop) - Alignment: Town. Learns the alignment of a player. Can be x-shot.
• Healer(Doc) - Alignment: Town. Protects a player from dying. Can be x-shot.
• Vigilante (Vig) - Alignment: Town. Can target a player for kill (NK). Can be x-shot.
• Serial Killer - Alignment: 3rd Party. Can target a player for kill (NK). May or may not receive 1-shot DeathProof (good against a lynch or a night kill). Wins when everyone else is dead, or nothing can stop it from happening.
• Survivor - Alignment: 3rd Party. May or may not receive 1-shot commute (if activated, the player can't be targeted for a night). Wins with both Mafia or Town.
• Lover - Alignment: Can be either Town/Town or Town/Mafia. If one of them is targeted for a kill, both of them die. Lovers may or may not share a QT (private talk).
• Mason - Alignment: Town. Two or more players who are confirmed town for one another. Masons may or may not share a QT (private talk).
• Innocent Child - Alignment: Town. This player is confirmed to be town by the mod. No other special powers.

I don't think anyone has done this yet but I just wanted to take a sec to discuss the possibilities here.

Obviously we know we have an Innocent Child so let's start there. With an IC I think the likelihood of Cop and Doc are both lessened somewhat. If either role is out there I suggest not taking the other role as a given. If we take it as a given that the possibility of Doc is lessened then it's also likely we do not have a SK or a Vig. The fact that there was only one death last night corroborates that theory although we all know a kill could have been blocked or they could have shot the same person as mafia so it's still not a 100% sure thing. If there is a survivor my best bet at this point would be Peace because of his standoffish behavior but I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. Remember survivor is NOT a member of the town and 9 times out of 10 it's best to just lynch them immediately. As for Mason and Lovers, we've had a couple people claim to NOT be Mason's iirc so I think it's a fair bet there are no Masons. I haven't noticed any linked behavior that seemed townie so if there are linked players I would guess it's a Mafia/Townie. Still the possibility seems low. And I'm not even going to speculate on GF and RBer. If a GF does flip though then it pretty much guarantees we have a cop I think.

[Nolder]

 

06 - Leelou

Leelou I still don't trust much. You guys can spin it as "scum paranoia" if you want to but I have been lynched on Wednesdays as a joke, both as town and scum, enough to justifiably be paranoid. Blackhoof and Darthe too have both been subject to Day 1 lynches that were driven more by lulz than anything else. They know, Verbal too. And so does Leelou which brings me back to what I feel is a healthy distrust of her this game. I admit I haven't played close attention to her interactions with other people thus far so I can't give much input there but I do notice that if Peace was scum burying his vote early Leelou is the one I'd pick for burying her vote late. She didn't give what I deemed to be a good reason for jumping on Goldeneyes train, just said he was "illogical" basically. Would like to see her explain that vote further.

 

You are being super paranoid. I haven't attacked you at all.

 

See, these two sentences don't mesh.

I am not saying you attacked me aggressively but you voted me right?

Even just taking it at face value and assuming it was done with the best intentions from a townie to feel things out...it's still an attack. A vote is like a slap in the face that we use to try to shock the truth out of people. So if you did in fact attack me...how am I being paranoid? The way you followed from me to Blackhoof was suspicious to me as we're both people prone to day 1 joke lynches. It has happened. Do I need to link to other games and show you what you already know? I'll even give you a step and say maybe it is paranoid but it is absolutely justifiable in my case.

 

You know what, why don't you point out where I am attacking you? I had a discussion as to how I wasn't pushing a lynch on you. I explained why I voted you the second time, responded to BFG about what I was thinking of your play, but not once did I attack you or try to drive a lynch on you.

Well my opinion on what constitutes a "push" obviously differs from BFG's as we've been over this before concerning Cloud.

I say you don't vote someone unless you intend to lynch them.

 

I said how I was feeling about Goldy twice. He has a very different style from town to scum from what I could see in the few games I've seen him play. He was on his scum meta.  

 

1:

 

 

 

I'm mostly getting town vibes from Cloud, Tommy and Krak. 

 

Turin, I'm not sure if he's really just being a stickler for the personal attack thing or seriously thinks Tommy is scum. He's one I want to watch because if it's the first thing then that is not helpful to town at all. I also don't really feel like he's defending himself well. 

 

Peace is hard for me to read since he is always very stubborn. He's in my null to scum pile right now. 

 

Goldy is coming off more scummy than townie this game. Townie Goldy is more precise. I'd feel comfortable voting him today. 

 

Hoof is an easy day 1 lynch because the scummiest things flow out of his mouth regardless of alignment. He's one to watch for now. Not sure if I like the votes on him. 

 

Elf seems stubborn, not sure about her since I don't believe I've played with her before. 

 

Nolder - he'll show his ass after a couple days if he's scum. 

 

Hallia has a bad habit of not posting game content. She does this more so as scum and I don't like that the only thing she's commented on so far is a post by Goldy. I could vote for her. 

 

Now I'm just waiting for Theo and Via to catch up and post before I can get a feel for them.

 

I really wish BFG would post some more. 

 

##unvote, ##vote Hallia

 

 

2. 

 

 

 

 

@Nol - Wombat really isn't posting much in my mentor thread. I only voted you this time because I didn't want us to miss a lynch and I wasn't sure if I'd be able to get back on before deadline. If you notice I was seriously voting Hallia up until a couple hours ago. She skates through more as mafia than as town. She has been posting a bit more so I feel slightly more comfortable with her around, but I don't like how she was quoting Yates last night. 

 

I'm uncomfortable with Goldy's posts in general. The first game I played with him as town he seemed to take a more logical approach to the game, the last game I saw him in he replaced in for me and was scum and that is more how his style feels right now. 

 

##unvote, ##vote Goldy

 

Well first of all, you think two games is enough to establish a meta?

And secondly your reasons are very vague which is why I asked you to explain.

"Town Goldy is more precise." What does that mean exactly? With his words? With his actions? And how does being precise or not indicate scum or town? Again unless you're claiming to have is meta down in only two games this seems very random and irrelevant. Your second reason, about logic, makes more sense but I wish you would have backed that up. Like what did he do or say that was illogical?

 

Answering BFG: 

 

 

 

 

 

Leelou, what do you think of Nolder?

 

I am trying to remember if I've played a game where Nol was actually scum. I don't like it when he plays lazy like this, but he's done it a few times as town. The only game I can think of recently he was scum in was an experimental game I was running on JN and he was actively pushing the townies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I voted you and have explained that to you above under "2": 

 

 

 

##unvote, ##vote Nol

 

I don't know how long I'll be around today and I really hate no lynches.

 

Ok.

 

 

 

 

I have an idea, why don't you follow me onto Theo and we'll try to take out the lowest postcount player besides the replacement?

That'd make me feel a whole lot better about you I think.

 

##Vote Theo

This is a blech vote. Starting a new train, on an inactive less than two hours before deadline? How would that make you feel better about leelou, nol?

 

At the time I had a theory about Leelou attacking me because she was on a mafia team with inactives.

If she followed me onto one it would have blown my theory up but she didn't and so I'm still very wary of her.

 

 

Theo said she wasn't around because she was sick, which I responded to you. I didn't feel comfortable voting for someone who said she was sick and in bed. The fact you are still pushing that even after you saw Theo's post in your catch up is ridiculous. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Nol - Wombat really isn't posting much in my mentor thread. I only voted you this time because I didn't want us to miss a lynch and I wasn't sure if I'd be able to get back on before deadline. If you notice I was seriously voting Hallia up until a couple hours ago. She skates through more as mafia than as town. She has been posting a bit more so I feel slightly more comfortable with her around, but I don't like how she was quoting Yates last night. 

 

I'm uncomfortable with Goldy's posts in general. The first game I played with him as town he seemed to take a more logical approach to the game, the last game I saw him in he replaced in for me and was scum and that is more how his style feels right now. 

 

##unvote, ##vote Goldy

I don't know. It's hard to tell with you right now.

To me it all looks like a setup and if you're scum you could just lie about Wombat's activity.

Or even if you aren't the plan could just be your own anyway.

 

I have an idea, why don't you follow me onto Theo and we'll try to take out the lowest postcount player besides the replacement?

That'd make me feel a whole lot better about you I think.

 

##Vote Theo

 

 

Theo was sick, I was waiting to see if she popped back into the game or not.

 

 

 

Yes she was sick and I didn't know that at the time, now I do and I let the inactivity go.

I actually missed your post at the time telling me she was sick. All I say was that "Nolder Party of 1" post and the whole hipster thing. If I'd seen she was sick then I'm not sure who I would have voted or what I would have done. But regardless my point at the time was that you followed me onto Hallia because of activity but you wouldn't follow me onto Theo. Granted Theo was sick and perhaps deserved slightly more sympathy but from a game perspective absent is absent right? Hallia was on call for work and had just as much choice as Theo about being around, it's not like she went out to party or something. So what was the difference? That is why I am still suspicious of you. Unless you know something I don't Hallia and Theo should have been treated the same way but you didn't.

[Tommyrod]

Cloud, the scumtell was: does the player comment on the "big things" that happened during that day? Examples: Cloud vs Turin, Tom vs Turin, Cloud vs Elf, Tom vs Peace, and so on. There's been a lot of battles in this game, especially for a D1, and I don't think Hallia commented on any of the big D1 events. If you recall the only thing she found to comment on in the first half of D1 was one post from Goldeneye. 

 

Here's someone else's take on this tell:
 

"Often during a game day, there will be some sort of major event that takes place. This could be two people getting into a very long fight. It could be someone claiming a power role to avoid lynch. It could be someone claiming to have peeked a wolf, and then retracting the claim. It could be some other crazy stuff that happens right at the end of the day. Whatever the event may be, every villager who reads it is going to have thoughts about what it means, and will share those thoughts. Wolves often have a hard time knowing how they are supposed to react to unusual events, and they may go quiet at that time (if they are online and posting at the time), and may never address it at all or only in a superficial manner."

[_CLOUD]

Interesting.

[BFG]

@Nolder - that seems an awful lot of assumptions to make.

 

Cloud, can you explain in more detail why you think Hallia's town? I don't follow your voting pattern reasoning. Also, you've cleared a few people as Town based on Golden train, how does that clear third party?

[keyholder21]

@Tommy - that's the idea that was niggling at the back of my mind when I was questioning the posts she chose to respond to. It's a good point.

[Nolder]

@Nolder - that seems an awful lot of assumptions to make.

Sure, but how many of them would you disagree with?

I think it's reasonable to assume there is no Vig or SK until seeing 2 kills for example.

Trying to figure out the setup is part of mafia. It may be a little early I guess but I was just dropping some initial ideas and thoughts.

[Blackhoof]

 

Cloud's eagerness does not seems scummy to me. Although last time I thought he wasn't scum he was and usually when I think he is, he's not, so I need to think more about this.

I’m changing my meta and altogether trying my best to improve my play. I’m telling you this because my play from now on will most likely be different than before this game started.

Just because it's “ordinary” does not mean it should be acceptable.

I would agree with you if this were an ideal world. I however haven’t seen you, or anyone else for that matter who plays mafia, question every action of someone they have known and played with for a while. Everyone relies on meta reads and thus will come to ignore behavior that isn’t alignment indicative of the person in question.

Bold: Giving her permission to be town?

 

Should be noted, picks the vote on Turin back up.

 

Also noting that after Cloud becomes convinced and unvotes elf, Golden picks up and votes her. Possible connection there.

Yep. Do you want to be town too? :P

 

And as for Golden picking up the case on Effie after I dropped my vote on her, I have called him out for that myself too.

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Do NOT like this post from Hoof. He doesn't like Golden's post, thinks there aren't very many valid points, but then votes peace for voting golden by saying he has crappy reasoning.

Nice catch.

 

^ both of these make Cloud look bad. First post, giving an 'out' for Golden's response to peace. Second post for two reasons, 1) asking peace to explain what he said when Cloud had argued earlier that it's in peace's meta not to do that, 2) it appeared obvious to me why golden's post was off/bad.

 

I'm getting a townie vibe from Elf. Her responses to all the flack she got in the beginning of the game look good.

 

As I'm getting more into the game, still seeing peace as town.

I wasn’t giving Golden an out with my response to Peace. My reply to Peace was about him feeling insulted by Golden, and me explaining that I have seen him act like that before and that he shouldn’t take it personal because after all this is just a game.

Peace himself said that he would come up with an explanation for his vote later on, and after he still hadn’t posted one I decided to remind him of it. Yes, it was also obvious to me what he found to be off about Golden’s post, but I still wanted to hear it from the man himself instead of substituting his reasoning with my own.

 

 

I really like the rest of your catch-up post by the way. It was an insightful read.

 

 

@Tommy: Your case on Hallia was really good and I would like to hear what she has to say in response to it. By the way you mentioned during the end of Day 1 that Hallia triggered a scum tell that was important you, but you said that you would clarify it later. What was it?

I was uncertain about Hallia, but I was looking back, and this popped up-

 

 

I really don't like the Hally train FWIW. She's scummy by inactivity basically, but I dunno how voting her makes any more sense than voting an inactive. I have repeatedly been called out for wanted to lynch in actives early, just saying.

heh, this is interesting. Too obvious maybe? Nah, not with the way Golden was playing.

 

##unvote

 

##vote Hallia

I don’t like this vote. What happened to your reasoning for thinking that Krak is scum?

They could both be scum.

[BFG]

14 players, 25% would be 3.5, so either 3 or 4 anti-town. My guess would be 3 mafia and 1 3rd party. 1 night kill suggests survivor might be more likely than SK, but it's possible that either a vig or SK withheld a shot to go hidden, I doubt mafia would, or of course any of them could have been blocked.  Personally I always treat claims with a pinch of salt.

 

Why do you think Turin was killed last night?

[Blackhoof]

A possibility could be that an SK killed turin and the mafia kill was blocked.

 

Because I can't see why the mafia would target him, except perhaps to implicate tom, or if tom was mafia himself and did it to get rid of turin since no-one was voting him.

[csarmi]

VoteCount Day02#03

 

 

01 - Peace: -> Nolder

02 - Cloud: -> Krak

03 - Krak: ->

04 - GoldenEyes

05 - TommyRod: -> Hally

06 - Leelou: -> Via

07 - Theodora Key: -> Krak

08 - Elffern: ->

09 - Hally: ->

10 - BFG: ->

11 - Via: ->

12 - Nolder: ->

13 - BlackHoof: -> Nolder -> Hally

14 - Turin

 

 

 

Nolder - 1 - Peace

Krak - 2 - Cloud, Key

Via - 1 - Leelou

Hally - 2 - Tommy, Hoof

 

Not voting: The rest of ya lazy folks.

7 to lynch.

Deadline: No deadline in effect

Countdown: No countdown in effect

[csarmi]

I've been giving a lot of leeway concerning activity due to the holidays. The holidays are now over. I expect everyone to get back into the game soon and I'll require full activity starting from now on.

[Blackhoof]

Ironic that activity has reduced now that the holidays are over.

[Hallia]

I'm not quite sure what else you want me to say.  For the early part of Day 1 I was gone, because of being on call at work, and when you miss 40 pages, I feel bad rehashing a whole lot of stuff when someone else made a post that was pretty spot on for how I felt ( which that Golden post did sadly v.v) so let's move forward and focus on what's going on now

[peacesells]

Ok..finally out of the sick bed and back at work.  I'll be able to post more now. 

 

A few things on recent stuffage.

 

Nolder introduces set up talk.  Not only that he goes into a long explanation on various possibilities and only names me as a possible "3rd party."  2 things wrong with this.  Setup talk is a distraction.  Classic DM scum move that was perfected in the "GOT" game.   2nd, naming only 1 person as possibility makes it look like he was trying very hard to come up with a way to make someone (me) who others have expressed a town feel for look bad.  

 

On Hally, even her most recent post above mine addresses nothing game related.  She's posted, but not really taken a stand on anything.  More like cheered from the sidelines. 

 

Nolder and Hally are my 2 biggest suspects atm.  I'm good with either of them dead.

 

##UNVOTE

 

##VOTE HALLY

[Blackhoof]

To update my read on peace, I feel that he is more likely town. His early play was bad, but doing things like voting for golden early without switching and attacking Nolder makes me feel better about him.

[Nolder]

14 players, 25% would be 3.5, so either 3 or 4 anti-town. My guess would be 3 mafia and 1 3rd party. 1 night kill suggests survivor might be more likely than SK, but it's possible that either a vig or SK withheld a shot to go hidden, I doubt mafia would, or of course any of them could have been blocked.  Personally I always treat claims with a pinch of salt.

 

Why do you think Turin was killed last night?

That all sounds about right to me.

 

Also I dunno. Turin was someone I was paying very little attention to and have to go back and read to give any kind of informed opinion.

It's possible he either stepped on someone's toes or was killed to frame. That's the most common reasons people tend to be killed. Classic WIFOM.

 

Ok..finally out of the sick bed and back at work.  I'll be able to post more now. 

 

A few things on recent stuffage.

 

Nolder introduces set up talk.  Not only that he goes into a long explanation on various possibilities and only names me as a possible "3rd party."  2 things wrong with this.  Setup talk is a distraction.  Classic DM scum move that was perfected in the "GOT" game.

This is low tier mafia strategy.

Just like townies never lie and always give someone a last word before hammering.

Setup talk can be distracting, especially when flavor is involved, but that doesn't mean it needs to be avoided entirely.

This is a game full of vets and I am expecting high level of play here.

Setup talk becomes distracting? Shut it down and move on.

The truth is the game is slow right now and we currently have no deadline.

There is no detriment to examining the possibilities. At least, not for the town.

 

2nd, naming only 1 person as possibility makes it look like he was trying very hard to come up with a way to make someone (me) who others have expressed a town feel for look bad.

Putting your bandwagon fallacy aside, I named you because you fit the bill as a third party candidate.

You've remained aloof for the most part and whenever someone got in your face about something you'd back down and disappear until they moved on.

Anytime you've voted you never gave a reason even when prompted multiple times by multiple people. Mafia at least goes out of their way to try to feed the town a plate of BS. You seemingly don't want to leave any trail for anyone to examine. You follow the path of least resistence and this post is a perfect example. You "call me out" on setup talk...but you vote Hallia. And let's look at that. 

 

On Hally, even her most recent post above mine addresses nothing game related.  She's posted, but not really taken a stand on anything.  More like cheered from the sidelines. 

 

Nolder and Hally are my 2 biggest suspects atm.  I'm good with either of them dead.

 

##UNVOTE

 

##VOTE HALLY

Hallia generally doesn't give enough game input per post and it's something I've been annoyed at in more than one game.

But, to her credit, she does this regardless of alignment. I think she's just a spammer in the "fiddlesticks" sense of the word.

That isn't to say I think she should be given a free pass but neither do I think she's done enough (or not enough) to warrant being anyone's prime suspect.

What you're doing right now is going for low hanging fruit. Not based on anything particularly scummy just something that would grate on any serious mafia players nerves and I think it's safe to say we have more than a few of those here. Hallia is also a lot less combative than some people, namely me. You're really going to try to lynch the person who hammered scum the day after they did it? It may be somewhat of a null tell, especially in early game, but it should count for something and you're completely ignoring that.

 

The fact that you can spend most of your post making a better case on me than Hallia says all that needs to be said about your alignment IMO.

Obvious scum is obvious. Hang'em.

 

##Vote Peace

[Leelou]

Hallia didn't hammer Goldy, Elf did.