[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[Hallia]

One thing I always forget is that when I flip you'll know everything I say is genuine. (I'm always like this moo-cow!). I've been hanging back because of the back and forth between Nol and peace, but my gut reads stay the same. I kind of feel that via could be scum with leelou. My feeling is because she puts us both out as scum reads but goes with me, leaving herself open to say oops when I flip town and it distances her

[Hallia]

Noel is Nol, stupid autocorrect >.<

[Hallia]

I feel like one or both is scum between him and peace. This whole argument feels like distracting, and it clearly has worked. I feel hoof could be mafia because he rarely pops in to stay under the radar

[_CLOUD]

Catching up.

[Leelou]

One thing I always forget is that when I flip you'll know everything I say is genuine. (I'm always like this moo-cow!). I've been hanging back because of the back and forth between Nol and peace, but my gut reads stay the same. I kind of feel that via could be scum with leelou. My feeling is because she puts us both out as scum reads but goes with me, leaving herself open to say oops when I flip town and it distances her

 

Nope. If you are town it's not on me. You haven't stepped up with reads or participated in most of the main discussions. First real post in the game you interacted only with a now known scum. 

[Hallia]

My catch up yes and that's been covered several times already. I've been posting game discussion, especially around deadline of day 1 so no it isn't in me ^_^

[keyholder21]

Leelou is not the only person pointing these things out. There are several of us voting for you and we all have fairly similar reasons. You trying to pin this on one person does nothing for your argument. Also, how is your play not your fault?

[keyholder21]

All of Via's posts. Without any commentary.

 

 

 

 

Her first post was just to say she was reading up. Trying to see if I can fit all these in one spoiler tag.

 

Not fully caught up yet, but here are some thoughts for you as I am reading along

 

on the topic of getting pings / scum reads so early in the game:

When you are dealing with very limited information, having one ping doesn't really mean very much (for example you can't tell if a dice is biased if you have only rolled it once). The way I read it elf put out a thought that was a slight ping, and then the game developed.

And discussion and opinions and posting is as much a tool for town as voting is.

 

 

And before this turns into my "defense" of Peace, I don't like any of the name calling that I see in some games... So can we just get back to wanting to kill each other in a civilised manner?

I had a little LOL at this, Marquess of Queensberry and the like

 

 

 

Re: the busy question... I've noticed that mafia tend to enter the thread after having read everything and town just jumps in

I really don't agree with this - the thread is the only place town get any information, how can they 'jump in' without reading? Mafia however can be getting information from the QT, so post without reading

 

 

Actually you need to be clearer.

 

 

 

Saying "do I really have to regurgitate Cloud's reasoning" is not actually saying that you agree with Cloud's reasoning.

Stop being difficult please.

It's true he hasn't said outright in his own words: to what extent he agrees with Cloud, if there is anything else etc. But this in itself is information we can use later in the game.

 

(the discussion about peace's vote goes on into the next few pages, so not just Nol raising this point. Elf presses the point quite a bit)

 

 

 

06 - Leelou (mentored by Wombat)

Opening seemed okay to me. Her chatter with others still feels natural and not forced by the time I enter the thread. She rebuffs me right off the bat, which is probably more town indicative than not; mafia would be more likely to sheep me (since I'm asking people to do so) and observe if I lead a mislynch to start with. It sucks that she won't try to analyze OP's though. Leeloo is getting a little too off-topic for my liking around the time #84 comes around. Votes for Nol in #104; he hasn't posted yet. Why not vote for someone else who hasn't posted like dan? Could be something, could be nothing. She's still jokey around #117 but at least comments on how Elf was backpedaling on suspicion of me. Still grinding against me in #126, but it feels genuine. Leelou is my first comfortable town read. (Looks like Cloud agrees with me in #128 and Peace grinds against that.)

 

07 - Theodora (mentored by Key)

Lame opening in #12. Being friendly with Blackhoof right off the bat in that post. THEN calls Hoof scummy in #74. Not that I... blame her... but this could be a case of scum-on-scum jostling. This happens surprisingly often in early game, where mafia will point out something dumb that mafia have done and not follow up on their suspicions but later can say "hah! I knew it!" When Cloud asks about it, she instantly backs down. Which is funny, since that Hoof post pinged me hard. I would expect a townie to probe into it a bit more?

 

 

09 - Hally (mentored by Yates)

Opening post #27 pinged me on second read considering how little has been said by Hallia. It's both off-topic and me-too-ing the friendly chat that Theo and Hoof had already. Notably, Hally joins in on Hoof's spam-fest in #53.

 

 

 

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Re Theo - the bolded - well maybe people just notice different stuff and think different things are important 0 the game would be very boring if we all thought alike and all did exactly as you told us to

 

Re Leelou - the bolded sentance: if Leelou's criterita for voting at this point is ' no posts' (which is an assumption you are amking, or has Leelou confirmed this and I missed it?) why does it matter which of the 'no posters' she voted for?

 

Re Hally: I don't know about the 'spam party' you say is between Hally, Hoof and Theo, but there is nothing pingy about Hallia's play for me at that point

 

 

@ Turin - I thought you didn't like it when people put themselves down as town in their read lists and stuff - or is it different because you are doing it?

 

@ Krak - you have misquoted Turin in your post at 464 - what makes it worse is that you have included Turin's post in yours. I don't know whether you have just misread, or have tried to twist Turin's words here, but tried to do it subtly by just swapping two words round

 

@ Golden - I have more than 1 post. yes I am still only in single digits I know, because I replaced in. But by saying that I have only posted once means to me you have not actually read the thread, you are putting all these opinions out there but you are actually skimming

 

for skimming while trying to look like you are scumhunting

 

##vote Golden

 

You didn't misrepresent anything I said because as far as you were concerned I hadn't said anything, that's where the misrepresentation is.

 

This was a mistake on your part, anyone can make mistakes, that's fine.

 

You are saying though that you didn't search out what posts I made before you did your option post - as it happened I posted more which would have given you something to comment on about me. You didn't search and you didn't notice that my post count in the thread has gone up.

 

There is a difference between saying 'Via has had only one post so no opinion on her yet' and 'I don't think Via has added anything to the game and her opinions don't matter to me'.

 

Now that you've dismissed a players options because they picked you up on an error you made, town has some information to work on, now or in the future.

 

As I say, anyone can make a mistake, that's not a real issue. I am surprised by your response and your OMGUS vote though, wasn't expecting such a big response to my comment

 

Reading back a bit Nolder's train seemed to accelerate quite quickly, putting him into pole position for lynching. I liked his reaction to that though - continuing to post, add opinions to add to the game.

 

I don't agree with trying to start another train so close to deadline though, whatever the policy reason is and how strongly people feel about it.

 

Hallia seems quite ummmm flippy floppy with her vote in this last section of the day - seeming to change her mind quite a few times.

 

The game seems to have got a lot less heated recently as well, which I see as a good thing: looking at the tone of the first pages (after the day actually started around page 5 somewhere) there seemed to be alot of poking and riling.

 

As an aside at the mod: I quite like your alterntaive vote count, but in conjuction with the standard. As said above its is good to look at who has votes where without going through notes / posts but the standard one is best for instantly seeing the current situation.

 

 

Tom, yeah I read your notes. Let's just lynch both Golden and Via to settle the matter, lol.

 

So more setting up lynches then?

 

Happy New Year everyone!

 

I hope everyone who is sick feels better soon.

 

Welcome Key, I see you've posted quite a lot of reads and stuff so far, that's good for the game and immeadiately makes me think 'town', but will have to have a proper read of the thread when my head is clearer and I'm not on a train.

 

Hallia taking credit for lunch? Great typo! :)

 

i don't think at this point discussion of possible roles really gets us anywhere: we have too little information.

 

I think peace was talking about the hammer vote hallia

I've read peace's post back, and actually I am not that clear what he is talking about so ignore that for now, sorry.

 

I did feel that hally was being scummy but changed my mind a bit during the night (her change from 'vindicated' to 'relieved' feels honest to me) now I can't tell again

 

@hally any coment on the weird highlighting in your post?

 

okey-dokey oh Modly one!

 

I was going to ask Hallia to clarify if it was herself she was quoting or someone else - but I think that if it is someone else they are doing a great Hallia impression cos it sounds like her!

[edited to save quote limit. Responding to Hallia.]

Thanks! :)

 

 

@Cloud - I disagree about mafia team not working in tandem when it comes to emotion. I have seen, and been a part of, QT's where teammates are telling others to chill, or be careful with their responses when it comes to emotion. If people are working together as a team, why rule that possibility out?

 

I have edited this quite as I am just commenting in this bit.

 

I think the influence the mafia team has on each others would vary very much depending on who the team is, how emotional or otherwise they are as a person, the time zones they are in and when they have had a chance to read the thread and post in the QT...... So really too many factors to judge right now.

 

Though in theory that is how a mafia town would work, watching each others backs, but in this case wew can't start supposing on what is happening on the mafia thread.

 

 

And am I the only one here who doesn't view skimming as a scum tell? >.>

Not a scum tell really, but not helpful to town - which is why I don't like too many posts that quote posts that quote posts etc as I find that more difficult to read and I catch myself skimming

 

 

So you thinking then that as the deadline got closer and it looked like GE was going down instead of Nolder there was some bussing? Elf's hammer was super scummy to me, and also their admitted skimming.

 

##vote Elf

I would have thought that Cloud (as the vote before the hammer) would seem more suspicious to you by this logic. I don't see anything wrong with Elf's - no read either way her vote.

 

But as I recall you stated your intention to hammer.

 

@ Key - I'm commenting at a discussion that was happening a little while ago. I quoted you to illustrate what I was commenting on, though my post wasn't aimed directly at you, which I could have made clearer.

 

@ Cloud - I am trying to remember how long you have been setting up my lynch from, I think it's almost the entire length I've been in the game!

 

ah well, practise makes perfect I suppose!

Am re-reading from the start, am on about page 25 so far, so a good 10 pages to read till the end of the day

 

Leelou - she was pinging quite a bit to begin with: lots of jokey / spammy posts that didn't add anything to the game, apart from a bit of back and forth with nolder: no comenting on the other stuff that was going on. her reads she did on page 21 bring it back to a null at this point.

 

The whole elf-on-peace and cloud-on-elf seems to have gone on for longer than they needed to, but I put this down to not very many people being about over christmas

 

Then I noticed this

04 - GoldenEyes (mentored by Despothera)

Self conscious opening in #29. I have no idea what he's saying in #65, looks spammy. Comes back in #208 after a long absence and reads both me and Turin as town and makes some reads with little to no justification. Could be actually busy and not mentally invested, but ping anyway. More christmas wishes in #227; sick of that stuff, lol. Talk about the damn GAME! Elf vote in #277 feels pretty random; I agree that Elf isn't hunting, but that's mostly due to defending against Cloud. She should get more involved from here on out.

This pinged abit because it ends with a comment abit elf, instead of concentrating on golden. I looked at it again when I re-read this.

 

 

Your vote's been on Golden for a while, right? About half the game now, in terms of posts. I'm surprised you haven't moved onto something else considering he hasn't said much, if anything, since you attacked him... for voting Elf, right? Yet you've had your own suspicions of Elf? Is that not what you're accusing Theo of doing?

I felt it was a bit of a wishy-washy read (particularly the bit I've bolded - it seems a half hearted ping) then the prompt for peace to move his vote from golden. I beleive that this is how the vote count looked at the point Tommy posted this: Golden with most votes and leelou saying that she oule be comfortable voting him as well.

 

Elf - 1 - Golden

Peace - 1 - Hoof

Golden - 3 - BFG, Peace, Thea

Hoof - 1 - Tommy

Hally - 2 - Nolder, Leelou

Turin - 1 - Cloud

 

 

Edit: I ungreened the vote count, so it isn't confused with a current vote count

 

Am now at the end of Day 1.

 

what stood out most to me was that Nolder was one vote from being lynched about 3 hours from deadline - not to the wire but not exactly lots of time till the end of the day either.

 

Then Tommy moved his vote to Golden, putting him at 5 votes with Nolder at 7 (8 to lynch). For this I gave him metaphorical 'town points' for this, because it put Golden in the running for being lynched. However then Tommy posted this:

[edited out a couple quotes to see if I can get all these in one spoiler tag. Tommy says "The fact someone hasn't hammered yet makes me feel good about this." and Cloud asks why. Follow the arrow in this quote box to find the exchange]

 

I'd expect scum to quickly mobilize on a town wagon. If it's a scum wagon and it's obviously not going to change, I'd expect scum to hammer before a townie does to get town cred. If it's a scum wagon and there's a chance it'll change, they won't hammer.

This gives me bad feelings about Nolder and Tommy: Tommy had the chance to hammer Nolder, secure a lynch well before deadline but didn't, and gave the lynch 'a chance to change'.

 

Then came votes on to Theo and Krak, before we finaly got enough votes to lynch Golden.

 

 

will move on to day 2 tomorrow

 

 

[_CLOUD]

Let's just get this over with and see her flip.

 

 

##Vote Hallia

[Hallia]

Good luck town!

[_CLOUD]

Told you guys.

[Andrej]

That's a lynch!

 

Day 2 Final Count

 

Krak (1) - Elf
Hally (7) - Tommy, Hoof, Peace, Krak, Key, Leelou, Cloud
Peace (1) - Nolder
Elf (1) - Hally

Not voting: BFG, Via

[keyholder21]

Told you guys.

Seriously?

[_CLOUD]

140%

[Krakalakachkn]

 

Told you guys.

Seriously?

 

This is my take on it.

 

 

Everyone: I wonder what will happen if we push the red button?

Cloud: we shouldn't push the red button

Majority: we should push the red button

Cloud: *pushes button, canada blows up* "see, told you."

[Leelou]

But the red button is so shiny! 

[_CLOUD]

Dude, let's be honest here, there was no chance that anyone else would have gotten lynched after these last few pages. I didn't feel like delaying the inevitable anymore.

[Andrej]

.....

 

"I'm not feeling so good..." Hallia told the group of coworkers she was chatting with, placing a hand on her forehead.

 

"What's wrong?" they asked in unison, clearly concerned.

 

"I don't know, but... I think I should go home to rest. I'll see you guys at work next week." she informed them, and with that, left the party.

 

Hallia, Vanilla Town has gone home.

 

It is now Night 2. You have 18 hours to submit your N/As.

[Krakalakachkn]

Good luck town!

 

Thanks for getting your reads out and not shutting down.

[BFG]

 

 

Told you guys.

Seriously?

 

This is my take on it.

 

 

Everyone: I wonder what will happen if we push the red button?

Cloud: we shouldn't push the red button

Majority: we should push the red button

Cloud: *pushes button, canada blows up* "see, told you."

 

lol

[Hallia]

Hrrg. Bleh, go townzorz!

[Andrej]

Your co-mod is retarded.

 

You have 18 hours for your NAs, carry on.

[BFG]

Let's just get this over with and see her flip.

 

 

##Vote Hallia

 

Dude, let's be honest here, there was no chance that anyone else would have gotten lynched after these last few pages. I didn't feel like delaying the inevitable anymore.

 

Probably not, but didn't stop you on Day 1 from trying to lynch Krak instead of Nolder in the last few hours.  Additionally you've missed getting pre flip reactions from Via, Tommy and myself. 

 

Shrugs

 

onto Night 1

[csarmi]

Alright, I'll get to updating stuff soon. The 18h starts in 14 minutes. Also, a change of rules - night action can be changed as many times as you want to, as long as it happens before the night ends. The last one will count.

 

You'll get a green notice post on this soon.

[BFG]

This is ridiculous, my internet is crashing every time I want to move forward a page