[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[peacesells]

Well..I'm horrible at being scum.  I've only won once as scum.

[TheRagnarok]

Well..I'm horrible at being scum. I've only won once as scum.

I make trollish comments sometimes to gauge reactions. I wanted to see his reaction there.

 

And I am awful scum too...just ask Darthe. :)

[peacesells]

 

Well..I'm horrible at being scum. I've only won once as scum.

I make trollish comments sometimes to gauge reactions. I wanted to see his reaction there.

 

And I am awful scum too...just ask Darthe. :)

 

 

As scum, you probably say those same things to get reactions from townees that can be used against them.

[TheRagnarok]

Hahahaha very true. I do everything as both alignments.

[Pralaya]

## unvote vote Darthe

 

Let's see how it goes

[peacesells]

## unvote vote Darthe

 

Let's see how it goes

 

Why are you voting Darthe?

[Darthe]

Home from work. I am so tired of second shift.

[Darthe]

Where has he positively lied? He called you a liar for claiming a kill while in jail. So you are basically calling each other liars. That Despo and AJ seem to be your main defenders doesn't sit well with me as I find them quite likely mafia as well. The fact that Darthe has sat so long at L-1 for so long is telling. Even rags hasn't hammered him.

 

If you want cs dead so bad and you are telling the truth then you could just vote Darthe secure the lynch and make your cs kill.

 

You appear to beating a dead horse for the day. Just like if I tried to start a train on AJ for his opposing mafia team line. It just ain't gonna hunt today.

 

Darthe, if you don't give your reads I'm gonna hammer you myself.

Yeah dude in a sec.

[Darthe]

## unvote vote Darthe

 

Let's see how it goes

Seriously? Screw you dude wtf?!

 

I'm out. Jesus.

[peacesells]

Pral has gone way up on my scum list.

[Andrej]

I don't think that was a hammer. Darthe was at L-1 until you unvoted Peace.

 

Pral trying to ninja hammer? lol

[TheRagnarok]

## unvote vote Darthe

 

Let's see how it goes

Hey, next game I have a suggestion.  Be more worthless.

[peacesells]

I don't think that was a hammer. Darthe was at L-1 until you unvoted Peace.

 

Pral trying to ninja hammer? lol

 

No it wasn't the hammer, just a bad vote.  Like a sniper shot from the hills. 

[hazelkrs1]

Confucius say a vote on Darthe is never a bad vote. Quit dragging your feet and hammer him already Peace. Its the only pro-town move for you. You have reason to doubt your sanity as a claimed cop, you of all people should be interested in seeing how Darthe flips.

[peacesells]

Confucius say a vote on Darthe is never a bad vote. Quit dragging your feet and hammer him already Peace. Its the only pro-town move for you. You have reason to doubt your sanity as a claimed cop, you of all people should be interested in seeing how Darthe flips.

 

Yeah..posts like these from you make me less inclined to vote Darthe. 

[TheRagnarok]

 

Confucius say a vote on Darthe is never a bad vote. Quit dragging your feet and hammer him already Peace. Its the only pro-town move for you. You have reason to doubt your sanity as a claimed cop, you of all people should be interested in seeing how Darthe flips.

 

Yeah..posts like these from you make me less inclined to vote Darthe. 

 

Des made another scummy post?  Nnoooooo say it ain't so!

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Confucius say a vote on Darthe is never a bad vote. Quit dragging your feet and hammer him already Peace. Its the only pro-town move for you. You have reason to doubt your sanity as a claimed cop, you of all people should be interested in seeing how Darthe flips.

 

Yeah..posts like these from you make me less inclined to vote Darthe. 

 

Des made another scummy post?  Nnoooooo say it ain't so!

 

 

Says the guy whose lynch I'm arguing against

 

 

Honestly, if we could lynch two people today, I'd be more than okay with lynching both these turkeys. Sucks having to be the voice of reason tho.

[TheRagnarok]

Lynching people for being turkeys isn't very bright.  The ones who piss me off the most tend to be townie. 

 

Des, I have a question...let's say I die and show as scum...who are your top three suspects?

 

And let's say I die and show as town...who are your top three suspects?

[hazelkrs1]

Okay I'm going to break this down one last time for everyone, and this time I'll type real slow to make sure all the thickheaded players in the game have a chance to grasp what I'm saying.

 

Darthe ISN'T just an info lynch. I was one of the first to remark about him being off early D1, and even had my vote on him then, NOT based on info reasons, but because he seemed the scummiest to me. To summarize why:

 

1. He seemed like he was forcing his meta to me. Inb4 Peace asks for examples, I GAVE THEM

2. He tunneled Lenlo a good bit D1, then after realizing that train wasn't getting any traction, just kinda let that go. And now he has apparently completely forgotten about it, because he supports the things Turin has had to say since replacing, never once bringing up that he distrusted Lenlo

3. He went from being okay with his lynch before, in fact even encouraging it, to now fighting it with every scrap of energy he can muster.

 

Those are all OBVIOUS scumtells.

 

However, Darthe IS the better info lynch today, and it's not close. And btw, when I say info lynch. I don't mean that a lynch on him will give us a bit of info about other players, I'm talking about VERIFYING A CLAIMED COP'S SANITY.

 

Now, some think you can test my claim/sanity with a Rag lynch just as well as a Darthe lynch will test Peace's. However, that is not the case.

 

1. Peace got a guilty and a town viewing. I have gotten two town viewings.

2. Peace already got confirmation on one of his viewings- he viewed Cloud as mafia, who should have been viewed as town because he is the GF

3. Because of this, between the two cop claims, only ONE of us so far has evidence to make us doubt our sanity- Peace

4. Since he has confirmation on one of his viewings, half the work is done. We lynch Darthe and he flips scum, then Peace is either scum pulling a gambit, or an Insane Cop (there are other faint possibilities, but they are all unlikely so I'm ignoring them for the time being)

5. Confirming a Cop is an Insane Cop is extremely important- we wouldn't know for sure yet, but Peace would know that he was Insane, and at that point he can just reverse all of his viewings, and can trust them with complete certainty. In a game with possible multiple cops, it is paramount to discover what flaws either Cop might have

6. If we lynched Rag instead, we will have only tested one of my town viewings. If he flips GF, we essentially learn nothing about my sanity.

7. If he flips scum, but not a GF, then we will have some evidence of my sanity being in some way flawed... but there will still be nothing truly conclusive. Ideally, we would also like to have a guilty viewing from me on someone else that we could then test, but if I'm a Naive Cop then we won't get that.

8. Rags flipping town would again not really tell us anything about my sanity level, I could still be a Naive Cop, or my viewing could have been tampered with, since him flipping town would also prove that CS's argument against him fell through, meaning either CS was scum or that he tried Jailing Rags but had his NA diverted or something.

9. There's a possibility we can nab two scum with Darthe's lynch, if Peace fake CC'ed to try and clear himself (before his CC, I had claimed and cased several people, and was voting Peace) and Darthe. Yall don't know this, but there is no such potential with doing this with Rags and myself, since I know myself to be town. And really, even tho this is subjective, I think I have proved my towniness several times over by showing my intent to try and find scum, whereas Peace... hasn't.

 

So AGAIN, lynching Rags to test me is really pretty much full of fail, whereas lynching Darthe can potentially net us two scum OR one scum and a vetted Insane Cop (very valuable) OR cost us one vanilla, and help uncover more evidence of a possible redirector role of some kind or something. So even worst case scenario with Darthe's lynch, we can still gain something. Lynching Rags however, can at best get town one scum OR cost us a PR, miss out on the chance to test Peace's sanity conclusively, and cast aspersion on another potential town PR (if CS isn't lying).

 

This is very simple folks. Hammer Darthe.

[TheRagnarok]

Yay!  Slow typing!  Ok...reading now.

[hazelkrs1]

Lynching people for being turkeys isn't very bright.  The ones who piss me off the most tend to be townie. 

 

Des, I have a question...let's say I die and show as scum...who are your top three suspects?

 

And let's say I die and show as town...who are your top three suspects?

 

Eh, my top suspects are so interentwined that it's a bit difficult to say conclusively who my top suspects would be, especially since my isos earlier in the day made me feel pretty sketchy about a few people in the spotlight today (Peace, CSarmi, Lenlo/Turin).

 

However, I would prob say that if you died and flipped as scum, I'd be wary of Darthe, Peace, and either Turin or Mish. You yourself have not wanted to hammer Darthe for some reason, and Peace not wanting to test his sanity even tho it's already in question is greatly disturbing. Turin is coming out heavily against me, and may know you to be scum (if yall are teammates), and knows my view was tampered with somehow, so could try using your flip to try and get me lynched. Mish has bandwagoned on just about anyone she's had a chance to, that doesnt make me feel good about her no matter what.

 

If you died and flipped town, I'd be somewhat wary of CS obviously, along with Turin, Peace... wow my reads would essentially still be the same lol. Would still be suspect of both Turin and Mish a lot.

 

So prob one of the only people I'd feel much differently about if we lynched you is Salami. This is off the top of my head tho... hmm Leelou did sort of convince me to test Peace to begin with by voting Darthe; if you ended up flipping scum, and... nah your flip wouldn't really tell me anything bout her or her replacement (Mr. Snow I believe).

 

So yeah, altho I don't like your play this game, I believe that you are town until I see concrete evidence of two mafia teams (not just a second kill, more like someone flipping and their coroner showing them to be on a separate team or something), and I don't think your lynch gives us nearly as much evidence.

 

Tell me why again, if you are town, that you don't think hammering Darthe is a good idea? Obviously if he isn't hammered, there's always the chance that you will be instead. You really have THAT strong of a town read on him, enough that you'd be fine with town definitely losing a town PR? And again, on Salami- you feel THAT confident he is scum, even tho there's no way he's getting lynched today and that you might be instead if you don't help get Darthe lynched? As someone else said, if you WERE that confident Salami was scum, you'd be fine with lynching someone you believe to be town (and is now apparently a vanilla) so that it could go to night and you could kill Salami.

[hazelkrs1]

Basically Rags, no matter what your alignment is this game, I have a feeling I won't like playing with you that much. You're playing scummy as hell, extremely illogical (since logically you should have hammered or at least voted Darthe a long time ago), and seem to enjoy both trolling and being as obstinate as possible cause you think that's fun. Essentially you'll be another Darthe, but worse.

[csarmi]

Teams:

 

Rags, Mish, AJ

Pray, Peace, (Cloud)

 

That work? First one sounds very likely to me.

[hazelkrs1]

My top candidates for scum, regardless of however this lynch finally materializes:

 

Darthe

Peace

Turin

Mish

 

 

I got town reads or views on the following players:

 

Myself obviously

Tina

Rag (reluctantly)

AJ (somewhat hesitantly, altho his isos and reasoning have made me feel a lot better about him today)

Leelou (still think Verbal flipping town puts her in a better light, if Salami is scum tho she prob is too)

 

Null reads on:

 

Pray

Salami

[csarmi]

Just going on play its

 

Mish, -- sure

Peace, Pray, Darthe, Rags -- in that order

 

Also we don't have enough info on TurinLo. Liked his posts. Just wary for the 9 day skip.