[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[TheRagnarok]

No. here it is more likely that any member of the team can submit the kill. Totally at MOD discretion of course. 

 

Do you think Darthe is mafia? 

So if it could be any member...why would I fake being the one who did it when my scum faction could instead use the same claim to try and clear the member who did do it?  That's easily the smartest option.

 

His claim was very odd but I've found that scum likes to fakeclaim more standard type roles because odd roles are met with skepticism and they don't want that added skepticism.  So that makes me think he is telling the truth.

[Turin Turambar]

Who did snow replace? I missed that totally?

[Andrej]

He's subbing for Leelou

[michellem]

Leelou's having internet issues I think.

 

Csarmi, I will ask you again:

Will you not even consider the possibility of a redirector role? You have ignored it when I have brought it up again and again. You say there is no way you could both be telling there truth, and yet there is, but you refuse to acknowledge it.

 

 

We need only one more vote on Darthe for majority.

[WWWwombat]

If I don't hear from Snow by the time I log on tomorrow, the game will proceed to night.

[michellem]

Ok, thanks Wombat.

[Turin Turambar]

 

No. here it is more likely that any member of the team can submit the kill. Totally at MOD discretion of course. 

 

Do you think Darthe is mafia? 

So if it could be any member...why would I fake being the one who did it when my scum faction could instead use the same claim to try and clear the member who did do it?  That's easily the smartest option.

 

His claim was very odd but I've found that scum likes to fakeclaim more standard type roles because odd roles are met with skepticism and they don't want that added skepticism.  So that makes me think he is telling the truth.

 

Re: Dar5the, I disagree that 1x RB is an odd role. RB is one of the more standard roles here. Also disagree that mafia don't mind claiming something a little odd as the old "why would I claim that?" line is immediately available. In fact that is a part  the argument AJ is using in his case doubting Peace. that he added the twist to make it more believable by making it harder to make sense of.

 

As to the main point. This is how I interpret CS:

 

He claims he is a jailkeeper(RB/Doc).

He jailed Rags N2.

Rags claims a kill N2, something that can not happen if he is in jail.

There were two kills on N2. This leads one to believe in possibilty of two teams.

A GF died.

Almost anyone that claims a kill in any manner is likely to get viewed. Who doesn't mind being viewed? a GF.

 

Hence Rags is a GF and not a CPR doc

 

 

. The fact that it turns out he has already been viewed by Despo makes it even more interesting as it give info about either Depo's sanity or alignment. also gives big clues into CS' alignment. (both barring the possibility of a switcher)

 

Best case in this situation: we find a mafia and have leads on more of his team.

Worst case we lose what is essentially a vig that could very well end up killing possible investigators by accident.

[Turin Turambar]

Oh, and then also proof of two teams. with two GF's

[Darthe]

That fits but man is it wild.

 

Guys, we have another day here. I will get my reads up in a bit but don't kill me. Rag is a better choice for the day. Mafia instead of info.

[Turin Turambar]

Mish, are you convinced there is a switcher/bus driver in the game? It is possible but no one has claimed it and there has been no concrete evidence of one to date.

[TheRagnarok]

 

 

No. here it is more likely that any member of the team can submit the kill. Totally at MOD discretion of course. 

 

Do you think Darthe is mafia? 

So if it could be any member...why would I fake being the one who did it when my scum faction could instead use the same claim to try and clear the member who did do it?  That's easily the smartest option.

 

His claim was very odd but I've found that scum likes to fakeclaim more standard type roles because odd roles are met with skepticism and they don't want that added skepticism.  So that makes me think he is telling the truth.

 

Re: Dar5the, I disagree that 1x RB is an odd role. RB is one of the more standard roles here. Also disagree that mafia don't mind claiming something a little odd as the old "why would I claim that?" line is immediately available. In fact that is a part  the argument AJ is using in his case doubting Peace. that he added the twist to make it more believable by making it harder to make sense of.

 

As to the main point. This is how I interpret CS:

 

He claims he is a jailkeeper(RB/Doc).

He jailed Rags N2.

Rags claims a kill N2, something that can not happen if he is in jail.

There were two kills on N2. This leads one to believe in possibilty of two teams.

A GF died.

Almost anyone that claims a kill in any manner is likely to get viewed. Who doesn't mind being viewed? a GF.

 

Hence Rags is a GF and not a CPR doc

 

 

. The fact that it turns out he has already been viewed by Despo makes it even more interesting as it give info about either Depo's sanity or alignment. also gives big clues into CS' alignment. (both barring the possibility of a switcher)

 

Best case in this situation: we find a mafia and have leads on more of his team.

Worst case we lose what is essentially a vig that could very well end up killing possible investigators by accident.

 

I've never seen a 1x RB in any game on multiple forums so it's very odd to me.  And the 'why would I claim that?' point doesn't work here as Darthe is in the lead to be lynched. 

 

I claimed the kill cause it was an awesome gut call by me.  I'll brag now and then. 

 

The vig point is also a dumb one.  I purposely didn't use my ability N1(when Darthe claims to have RBed me) exactly because I didn't want to get it wrong.  My biggest issue with Darthe's role claim is why he would waste it N1.

 

Who else doesn't mind getting viewed?  A townie.

 

Honestly, your conclusion isn't very logical.  None of it explains the lack of another kill N1.  Or how none of Csarmi's theory makes sense. 

[michellem]

Mish, are you convinced there is a switcher/bus driver in the game? It is possible but no one has claimed it and there has been no concrete evidence of one to date.

 

It bothers me that so many doesn't even consider the possibility. I find that more likely than the double mafia teams and whatnot. It is the simplest explanation, and, well, Occams razor. It bothers me extra much when it comes to Csarmi cause I've brought it up several times and he has ignored me so far.

[peacesells]

We have more time so ##unvote

 

Mish..I consider a possibility..about the same as the 2 scum team theory. 

 

 

Darthe wasn't hammered after I voted.  Strange.

[Darthe]

A fact that I appreciate. I figured it would be a rag hammer bit regardless og his alignment he is too good for that in the position he is in.

[TheRagnarok]

A fact that I appreciate. I figured it would be a rag hammer bit regardless og his alignment he is too good for that in the position he is in.

Thanks?

 

Gonna go hot tub it up for a bit. 

[Andrej]

So is it Night time...?

[Darthe]

No. People are just sitting and waiting on my lynch. Aka mafia is content with it.

[Andrej]

I'm Town and I'm pretty content with it.

 

It's still the best course of action IMO. Better than continue to argue and bring up superficial scenarios that might not even be legit.

[Darthe]

I know what action I took and I know that the night I didn't take it Rag claims to have killed someone. I also know that I am town and that the info garnered from my death isn't as valuable as the info garnered from his. What more could be needed?

[TheRagnarok]

Well, I'm town. Maybe instead of this concept of lynching for info, we lynch scummy people. Like Csarmi.

 

Find scum, kill scum. Most basic rule of Mafia.

[TheRagnarok]

This is then first forum I've seen where people have argued all day for a lynch based on info they think they'll get, not who they think is scum. Town doesn't win that way. Vote for who you think is scum. The main arguments I've seen against Darthe today involve what info you think you get. And Csarmi knows he is dead soon so has nothing to lose by lying to get me lynched. Use your brains.

[Turin Turambar]

Where has he positively lied? He called you a liar for claiming a kill while in jail. So you are basically calling each other liars. That Despo and AJ seem to be your main defenders doesn't sit well with me as I find them quite likely mafia as well. The fact that Darthe has sat so long at L-1 for so long is telling. Even rags hasn't hammered him.

 

If you want cs dead so bad and you are telling the truth then you could just vote Darthe secure the lynch and make your cs kill.

 

You appear to beating a dead horse for the day. Just like if I tried to start a train on AJ for his opposing mafia team line. It just ain't gonna hunt today.

 

Darthe, if you don't give your reads I'm gonna hammer you myself.

[TheRagnarok]

You'll see when I show as CPR doc.

 

I havent hammered cause I'm not sold on Darthe as scum yet and lynching for info is idiotic.

 

I could do that but patience is a good thing for town.

 

I'm debating if you are dumb town or aggro scum right now. Lots of demands, lot of hot air, little substance.

[peacesells]

I don't think Turin has played a dumb game so far.  Looks pretty reasonable and analytical on all sides and not rushing to judgement. 

 

I do agree..lynch who you think is scum.  Not for info...cause info is an easy excuse to use to vote and you can't hold someone feet to fire on it later in the game.

[TheRagnarok]

I don't think Turin has played a dumb game so far. Looks pretty reasonable and analytical on all sides and not rushing to judgement.

 

I do agree..lynch who you think is scum. Not for info...cause info is an easy excuse to use to vote and you can't hold someone feet to fire on it later in the game.

Shhhh I wanted to see his response to that. Scum always hate the dumb or scum line.

 

And you are either fantastic scum or very solid townie. I lean the second.