[Advanced] X-Men: Rise of Apocalypse - GAME OVER

[WWWwombat]

Maybe because you specialized in Spirits?  I'll let you copy it down.

[Krakalakachkn]

Heh. Nolder is pretty hot.

 

Polaris is a superheroine but at one point is possessed and becomes a villain. Brilliant.

[John E. Kelley]

Heh. Nolder is pretty hot.

 

Polaris is a superheroine but at one point is possessed and becomes a villain. Brilliant.

 

See, I'm way out of the loop. I have every issue from 94-200, but 200 was the last one I bought. I have no clue who all these new people are. I'm strictly old school.

[WWWwombat]

I just wiki what I need to.

 

IIRC she was Havoc's GF, right?

[John E. Kelley]

Who's Havoc?

[WWWwombat]

Cyclops's brother I think.

[csarmi]

So I asked our Lord Mod earlier which one would appear in coroners: "alignment" or "appear as".

He told me that he hadn't decided yet & PAFO. Guess he failed to decide afterall and took the easy way out. Lazy Mod.

[Pralaya]

 

Heh. Nolder is pretty hot.

 

Polaris is a superheroine but at one point is possessed and becomes a villain. Brilliant.

 

See, I'm way out of the loop. I have every issue from 94-200, but 200 was the last one I bought. I have no clue who all these new people are. I'm strictly old school.

 

 

Dude, seriously. Polaris and Havok were there way before issue 94. They are part of the x-men even before Wolverine was created ! :)

[csarmi]

OK, can someone summarize me this X-men/Apocalypse stuff?

 

I seen a single movie so I'm not completely ignorant. But Apocalypse is news to me.

[Pralaya]

He has not been in movies. Apocalypse is the first mutant born  5000 years ago and is like super powerful and believes in survival of the fittest. He mainly does his job of killing the weakes using Four Horsemen - Death, Pestillence, Famine and War. Usually they are bad guys but sometimes are good guys who have been corrupted by him. A big example of this is Angel who gets crrupted to Dark Angel and becomes Death. I think Polaris has also been corrupted as a Horseman at one point of time.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay so meh.... feel like right now is about a good time to drop this.

 

I'm a Lover. Mish is my counterpart. And I'm pretty sure she's scum.

 

Since I just checked and character claims are allowed, I'm Colossus. She's Shadowcat (Kitty Pride).

 

If there's a Vig out there, please, by all means feel free to shoot Mish. I don't have a fancy OP Oracle role (hehe sorry RTE), so I won't mind sacrificing myself to get a scummer. If she's alive in the morning I plan on pursuing her lynch.

 

My scum list:

 

Mish

Krak

Lenlo

RTE

Wombat (yay! I actually have a scum read on him for once!)

 

More detailed thoughts to follow

[hazelkrs1]

So once I saw that I was Lovers with Mish, I at once became aware of the good possibility that Mish was scum (most of the time I see Lovers on DM, they're opposite alignments). Its actually kind of funny, cause between the two of us, Colossus is actually a much better choice for a bad guy out of the Lovers pair than Kitty Pride (Colossus goes against the Xmen at least twice, even tho he's not quite sound of mind either time), but meh I figure with a bastard game, and with character claims allowed, I shouldn't let myself be restricted by flavor or theme.

 

Anyhoo, I knew I had to feel her out, to see if my concerns were on the mark about her being mafia, and needless to say, she has not passed the test well. Won't do a full on case on her yet, but this post was pretty much what convinced me she was scum:

 

I'm willing to go either way; both Nolder and Lenlo seems like interesting lynches to me. My gut says Nol over Len, but I'll be around to change my vote if neccessary.

 

both "seem like interesting lynches" to her. Incrediscummy. Nudging both trains, and doesn't say why either would actually be a good lynch.

 

Also I'm convinced Krak is scum. Didn't like his response to my fos on him, and this was pretty bad right here:

 

I'm just reading Nolder as Nolder.  I'm not seeing scumminess in his posts as much as his normal meta - disagreeing with the town.

 

 

 

Ok not going to be here tonight or for deadline, ala the other game, you know the score. I really, really cannot state how much I don't want to vote Verbal.
 
My thought is:
 
He can be voted
He is goading us to vote
He has said there will be dire consequences for said vote.
 
Bastard Mod is not equal to 100% liar Mod. He could be lying about lying and all the little Russian dolls you want to throw down that rabbit hole.
 
We don't know.
 
As it stands, lynching Verbal will make SOMETHING happen, that is more than likely anti-town.
If we lynch a player, it gives us more time to find Gold and put together some clues, and as a bonus we might just lynch mafia.
Continuing advocating a somewhat blind lynch on the Bastard Mod on D1?
 
Not a fan.
 
 
 
VOTE NOLDER
 
I did like you early on, but the assurance you seem to be pushing this with troubles me, along with the fact that it's a pro-town move to avoid an anti-town trap.
 
Will check in closer to deadline to see whatup. I won't vote Verbal though. I think a random lynch would be better, quite honestly.

Blah blah blah my teammates told me to make something up and vote you.
Mission accomplished.

 

This.

 

 

 

 

Caught up.
 
Unvote, Vote Nolder
 
Obvious scum in my eyes. Has kept town distracted with this talk about lynching Verbal, and keeps slipping in little blurbs about the setup.

Slipping in little blurbs?
I've been saying all along I don't really care.
The only time I've engaged in speculation was when conversation called for it due to what other people have been saying.

 

 
And Des, I don't really see how you can claim that Nolder has distracted the town.  Isn't it our job to ignore any talk that we consider derailing.  Don't use Nolder to justify your lack of scum hunting, then come in towards the end of the day and claim that Nol is scum.  You look bad in this scenario, not him.

 

Justify my lack of scumhunting? Get real brother. I've done WAAAAAY more scumhunting than you have this game, and I never tried to use anyone to justify my "lack" of scumhunting because there is no lack of it buddy.

 

So what happened is that Krak saw that he was on my radar, and panicked and tried to do his best to discredit me. And that's what he came to play with.

 

That's a silly assumption.

 

Also, your claim sounds like BS to me.  I suspect you're trying to play off of the Reverse Doctor role Verb put in his Machine of Souls game.  The problem is, your description doesn't fit imo.

 

The role you described is called Rolestopper.  Why wouldn't Verbal call it that?

 

This came right after Wombat just said he thought Nolder was likely town. Saying Nolder was acting anti-town but not necessarily scummy, then immediately coming out to discredit Nol's claim def pings pretty majorly for me.

 

People are voting Nolder mainly because he was trying to lynch verbal.

 

Now, you either believer his claim or not

I, personally, am fine with his claim and he has seemed town to me. If he is indeed town and PR, then there has been a deliberate misdirection from scum from voting verbal - Lenlo, Darthe, Des - are some of the names that pop into the mind. 

 

Given that there are only two options now, I think it is pretty clear

 

vote Lenlo

 

First of all, there wasn't ANY "deliberate misdirection" from me. I think it's completely obvious why I and others might be leary of someone suggesting we lynch the mod when there is a warning about it in the freaking OP.

 

Second, reaaaally scummy you trying to use Nol's claim to fos people after the fact, when I voted Nolder before his claim, and obviously being town I have no idea on most other's alignments. I found him to be displaying scummy behavior and I saw a deadline coming up, he seemed like the best option. It's a classic scumtell to use someone's claim to try and discredit people on his lynch who voted before the claim even came out.

 

 

People are voting Nolder mainly because he was trying to lynch verbal.

Now, you either believer his claim or not
I, personally, am fine with his claim and he has seemed town to me. If he is indeed town and PR, then there has been a deliberate misdirection from scum from voting verbal - Lenlo, Darthe, Des - are some of the names that pop into the mind.

Given that there are only two options now, I think it is pretty clear

vote Lenlo

Terrible logic in the first section. Why does Nolder being town mean that scum are necessarily misdirecting away from Verbal?

 

 

Possible scumslip here? Wombat seemed to know Nolder would flip town before the scene...

 

I thought Nolder was town until he revealed. I still think he might be lazy town so I'm willing to keep him around.

 

 

I don't see Nol's actions as anything more than expressing his opinion. I'm voting Lenlo based on the quotes I pulled up earlier. I'll switch to Nol if need be, but I'd rather lynch Lenlo.

 

 

Why are 2 people not voting?

unvote
Vote: Nolder

 

These posts came very close to each other, the last two being consecutive. At the time, the two lynches were very close, and Lily just spoke out against Lenlo. Wombat then immediately switches back to Nol, in what ended up being an important swing vote imo. CS switched to Lenlo right after this as well, so had Wombat stayed both trains would have been exactly even, and essentially would have had the same chance of succeeding.

 

Incidentally, while catching up I noticed a lot of peeps distancing from the Nol lynch as it got closer to the deadline; methinks there was 1 or mebbe even 2 scummers doing so to try and gain some townie cred. RTE did this, as did Ishy and Wombat... and someone else I think. I might go fetch those quotes in a sec.

 

 

EPIC eye-roll to Lenlo's late vote post.

 

LAWLZ

 

 

 

Lenlo, that late vote doesn't make you look any better. 

Not really the most concerning thing for me right now tbh. Rather get some scum.

 

Bleurgh. Awful.

 

Heh. Nolder is pretty hot.

Polaris is a superheroine but at one point is possessed and becomes a villain. Brilliant.

 

Another big ping from Krak: he's the first to use the open alignment thing to try and introduce wifom about whether or not Nol was town. Incidentally, Polaris was Magneto's daughter, but I don't see her as being anti-town. Third party, maybe. Just about EVERY Xman or superhero in the xmen universe is mind controlled and goes against the xmen at some point in time. Trying to use that to sow wifom is just plain scummy. Looks like Nol was town after all.

 

I just wiki what I need to.

IIRC she was Havoc's GF, right?

 

Havok*

[hazelkrs1]

In retrospect, might be a good idea to make the claim a bit bigger to stand out

 

I'm Lovers with Mish. Pretty sure she's scum, willing to sacrifice myself to see her dead. I'm Colossus, she's Shadowcat.

[csarmi]

Despo, l find it interesting that you take Nolder's alignment for granted. We have seen no coroner, the only way you knew he was town is if you're scum.

 

True, I don't know much about the series, but the little I read doesn't convince me either way.

[csarmi]

Also - sorry I'm not skilled enough to do quotes from phone yet - the part where you'd get Mish shot pings. Cause if you're ready to sacrifice, shooting you makes more sense. Not to mention that you're directing town PR there...

[WWWwombat]

What is it with the premature martyr lover play lately? Can't people wait for a solid read instead of one or two pings?

[WWWwombat]

Also - sorry I'm not skilled enough to do quotes from phone yet - the part where you'd get Mish shot pings. Cause if you're ready to sacrifice, shooting you makes more sense. Not to mention that you're directing town PR there...

This is silly btw. There's no reason for Despo to want to get himself shot over Mish. Either does the trick. Furthermore, Despo knows that if he survived Mish, he'd be dead meat.

 

Personally, I think they're both town and Des is being paranoid.

[michellem]

Ok, so that just happened.

 

Des, my alignement is town, I'll appear as mafia, according to my role PM. I'm only guessing, never seen this before, but I guess it means I'll show as mafia if a cop views me. Sit down honestly and think about this: If we weren't lovers, and you therefore automatically sure that I was mafia from the beginning, would my play so far have you pinged me? Because yes, I noticed from your first post that you had decided that I was mafia, and was seeing tells just because you had decided I was.

 

And WHY, if you are town, would you bring this up at NIGHT? Do you want to give the mafia our deaths all wrapped up with a nice bow? Because you know you are giving them a 2 for 1 deal right now, if you are town too that is.  Why on earth would you want to do that to town N1?

 

And yes, I thought both len and nol was interesting lynches. They'd both been vocal on each side of the "should we lynch verb or not"-matter, so getting one of their alignements could have been very informative. Not a sure tell of course; misguided or stubborn (guilty as charged) town happens way more often than very vocal mafia. But getting an alignement on one of them would have made it interesting to look at the others that had the same opinion.

[csarmi]

So you're effectively a Miller. Weren't you afraid of a cop wasting a view on you?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Re cops wasting views, I'm also town who will view as scum.

 

Not sure that says anything about Mish's claim but if she's telling the truth that's two of us already.

[michellem]

So you're effectively a Miller. Weren't you afraid of a cop wasting a view on you?

 

 

I guessed it was the same for a big majority of town to be honest, and I wasn't interested in giving the mafia more information than they needed about it.

[John E. Kelley]

I don't understand the flavor of Kitty being a miller at all. Just more of the bastardness?

[michellem]

After what RTE says, and what Csarmi hinted at earlier with the question he'd asked Verbal, I'm guessing there are more town that might show as mafia, and probably some the mafia will show as town too.

[csarmi]

Yes there might just be a couple of millers and godfathers around.

[csarmi]

 

So you're effectively a Miller. Weren't you afraid of a cop wasting a view on you?

 

 

I guessed it was the same for a big majority of town to be honest, and I wasn't interested in giving the mafia more information than they needed about it.

That's interesting. I mean the fact that you were making that assumption.