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dapianoplay3r

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Pralaya

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Sorry, I was not available in the weekend, as I was travelling. Anyway, having read so far, Krak and David come out extremely scummy. In fact, both of them could be 
 

 

I've never seen a random modkill before, although of course I can imagine what it entails.
 
I still think Krak was lying low in his own weird way.

 
Do I know you?

 

 

Somehow, this whole exchange looks quite staged. Krak was weird entire day 1 and this looks like Krak is taking the opportunity to establish a wifom with David.

I am fine with Kaylee, MCS and Mish as town. What MCS said when he was L-1 on day 1 quite convinced me as town. 

Not much reads on Lenlo, Peace and Tinker yet. I feel that they are town too.

 

That said, where is Gen?

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michellem Grand Master

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Wow... Screw my case. David with his SUPER OMGUS is reason enough.

 

I'll still go back and collect the quotes now (finally home), but I'm more than happy to place my vote right now.

 

Vote David

Krakalakachkn Spam Master

Krakalakachkn

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Somehow, this whole exchange looks quite staged. Krak was weird entire day 1 and this looks like Krak is taking the opportunity to establish a wifom with David.

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Yeah, it looks staged when you quote the one part that was fluff. That said, I challenge you to find anything in those posts, or hell, any of David's posts that are valid, pro-town, or useful (for the town). Maybe you can make sense of some of it.

michellem Grand Master

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The "MCS and David are scum together" case of DOOM. Yeah I've grabbed nearly every single one of their posts... Mainly because I find it very interesting how in sync they seem to be most of the time.

 

 

Hmm I would have thought more people would have checked in by now.

 

This is on page one. Yes, fine, it had been a day and a half since the day started, but still. Very eager to get started sowing chaos?

 

I would have imagined there being more meaningful posts by now. Anyway, it has never been my style to lurk. I think the most suspicious of the lot is Pralaya, but having said that, Lenlo was the first to mention that Pralaya was "classic public mafia", which I don't really get. What's a public mafia?

Anyway, it's probably still too soon to be reading anything into this.

 

Aaand this... is about halfway down page two. David is very quick to point a finger at Lenlo and Pral over their code-joking. Not enough to place a vote, though.

 

And of course I know Lenlo was joking with the public mafia thing, but you never know.

 

And of course he knew he was joking... But you never know (handy to keep a possibility to use it against Lenlo later)

 

I'm just going to put this out there to see how everyone else feels. If Ishy or Ithi fail to check in towards the deadline, we vote for them. If they both check in, the plan is off, because it is only to get rid of an inactive or a lurker. If it takes you THAT long to check in, you are either not focused on the game, or you are laying low and soaking in everything, being a sneaking plotting sponge. Either way it will get us some info going forward without things having to get too messy this early in the game.

 

MCS starts, on page 2, to talk about certain inactives he wants lynched D1. Uhm, did someone not give him the memo with how much info a D1 lynch can give? Hmmm, I wonder who doesn't want town to get too much info on D1... Oh, right, mafia!

 

Well then... lol And it's only the first day. YOu're playing awfully aggressive for the first day Tiink.

 

MCS is prodding at Tiink... But no vote.

 

 

This game started 4 days ago people.  Let's get it together. 

 

Vote Darthe.

You seem set on lynching Darthe. Maybe you think he can be an easy lynch?

 

Vote peacesells

 

 

Pot, meet kettle. Talk about looking for the easy lynch...

 

Still kind of hard for me to get all my thoughts to vote on some one when everyone keeps changing their votes lol I have a short list now though, and it will probably be one of those players who receives my vote.

 

Right when I WAS about to vote you peace you give your last spiel lol which makes sense. Lenlo, why would you defend ANYONE on the first day phase? Unless you're on a team, and the only teams in basic mafia are the mafia.

 

And David, you're just straight up being sketchy. The only post with any real intent you made was an extremely short one that included a vote for peace. A quickly thrown decoy vote on a fellow scum member perhaps? Wouldn't be so strange if you'd at least made a post or two since then, but you have not.

 

MCS points fingers at Peace and Lenlo... Still no vote though. And that last part of the post read as distancing to me when I first read it; one of the main reasons I voted him back on D1. Well, that and basically every post he made the rest of the day.

 

It's too early to make any real analysis which is why I haven't posted much mcs. So, I'm voting for peace because it's very possible that he was trying to get an easy lynch on Darthe, but changed it to me, when I called him on it.

 

So, a few posts ago he said it was not his style to lurk. And now he says he haven't posted much. Contraditing opinions about his own meta? And apparantly he "called" Peace so Peace OMGUSed him... Or maybe Peace just saw an extremely thin and hypocritical reason for a vote and thus decided to put one back?

 

Um, when it comes to mafia, it all comes down to semantics. Someone might be giving fake semantics, but it is almost always there.

 

MCS still hasn't placed a vote, but he likes to posts little tidbits every now and then to remind us that he's around and pretend he's contributing.

 

Krak, I also find it weird that instead of reasoning or just voting, you did it with a rhyme. Perhaps you didn't want to make any comments so people couldn't use it against you. But it does feel like an evasive tactic to me. So, in the hopes that you are mafia I'll switch my vote to you.

 

Unvote peace. Vote Krak.

 

David votes Krak, for an ok reason, but still a pretty easy vote.

 

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

 

Vote Krak

 

And MSC follows... With an even thinner reason. It should go without saying that Krak was messing around. Wich, btw, places him as town in my book; I feel like he was trying to draw attention to see who would bite on the easy prey. Plus, as Kay has already pointed out, the part about thinking there are scummer people. If you think there were other scummy people... Why didn't you point it out? It's a pro-town thing to get your reads out. Mafia are the ones who like to hide behind general statements and not have to take a stance on too many.

 

Voting for the person who was the most recent of many to vote for you. Not so great of a reason on your part I'd say, and a frightfully easy one at that. It's also a bit worrisome when you immediately make a vote back in my direction, especially when you find it necessary to say we should get back to scum hunting. That is what we've been doing, except for the few who are trying to cause chaos, the mafia. My vote, which was just meant to be a feeler, is now staying where it is unless I'm convinced otherwise.

 

Trying to paint someone (I think it was Kaylee, don't remember right now) vote as an OMGUS and therefore discrediting it. Also, I find it funny that he's talking about "getting back to scumhunting", when he hasn't exactly done much of that; he's been prodding at others and posting for the sake of posting.

 

 

 

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

 

Vote Krak

If you find someone scummier then vote them. Did you case or comment on them? If not, this is a good place to look.

 

 

I was going to Kaylee. Like I said, my vote on Krak was a feeler, but his response had him jump to the top of my list. I don't know what to say guys... It's kind of sad that I'm going to be lynched on the first day phase of my first mafia game in nearly two years because of an impending deadline, and the fact that people don't know me well enough from playing with me. Perhaps a lot of you don't care if an innocent player is revealed as the victim of the fist lynch, that it gives you "information" or "a place to start. I get that the deadline is getting close, but please don't vote me out because you feel pressure from that or don't know me. Krak may or may not be mafia, but in either case he is certainly being manipulative, which is why I voted for him, and where my vote will stay as to not be wishy-washy.

 

 

He's worried about being wishy-washy. Used the emotional card. Downplays the need of information (newsflash: 9 out of 10 times, a D1 lynch is a townie). Calls Krak manipulative, when he himself is using manipulative tactics here to keep people from voting him; pushing on people's consciences ("It's kind of sad that I'm going to be lynched on the first day phase of my first mafia game in nearly two years", "Perhaps a lot of you don't care", "but please don't vote me out because you feel pressure from that or don't know me"), implying that other's are voting him for a personal reason.

 

 

 

Voting for the person who was the most recent of many to vote for you. Not so great of a reason on your part I'd say, and a frightfully easy one at that. It's also a bit worrisome when you immediately make a vote back in my direction, especially when you find it necessary to say we should get back to scum hunting. That is what we've been doing, except for the few who are trying to cause chaos, the mafia. My vote, which was just meant to be a feeler, is now staying where it is unless I'm convinced otherwise.

 

Allow me to quote a passage from Krak's Mafia Handbook:

 

 

"While closely resembling the OMGUS Vote, the Riposte Vote is completely different in character.  Where the former is founded on no basis, the latter is often utilized when a player has dropped a scumtell, usually consisting of bandwagoning and/or counterclaiming."

 

 

Bit hypocritical since you basically ended up starting the exact same thing in return. And why not the fourth person who voted for you? With a 7 count lynch the 3rd vote seems like a more logical number to target as a mafia member planting the seed for a bandwagon than the fourth vote. I guess I'm asking if you would have voted for the fourth vote on you no matter who it was? Because either way, this "handbook" of your's seems to be biased, and therefor missing a few pages.

 

 

Pushing the "third vote is mafia"-angle... Yawn. That theory has been disproved so many times.

 

I've never seen a random modkill before, although of course I can imagine what it entails.

 

I still think Krak was lying low in his own weird way.

 

Now... David could have avoided a random. There was 6 votes on MCS, and he was clearly online (this is posted before the final votecount). If he'd placed a vote, no random would have happened. If he was town, what on earth kind of reason could he have to not vote? If he's mafia, all the more reasons though. Especially if MCS is his teammate.

michellem Grand Master

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Sorry Darthe. The only option I had would have been to vote for myself, and to be honest probably would have done it if this wasn't my first game back in a very long time. I look forward to playing with you again sometime.

And MCS apologizes to Darthe, plays the emotional card again. Ego player; thinks more about staying alive than the good of town. Do I really have to say it?

 

Im sorry kaylee, and to the rest of you. I was just a bit frustrated with possobly being lynched in the first day phase when this is the first game Ive played in so long.

 

I don't get your most recent post either David. You had the choice to vote for me and did not. It almost sounds like you were fascinated by the process, so you may have purposfuly not put your vote on me, therefor allowing the random lynch. If this was not my first game back in a very long time, I would have voted myself to prevent a random. I really hope that mine and kaylee's speculation is just that.

And, and now we're apologizing again. And he called Krak manipulative? Yeah...

 

A bit more distancing towards David?

 

 

Well the random modkill was a bit anticlimactic. Well to put it bluntly, if I had voted mcs and he flipped town, then that would have made me look very suspicious as it looked like mcs was an easy lynch. Who goes for easy lynches? Mafia, that's who.

Basically the random modkill could have gotten a mafia although probability-wise it's more likely to get town. But the mafia would love an easy lynch, and so I find those players really gunning for mcs suspicious.

The game is about lynching mafia and so we have to find those the most suspicious, not the easiest lynch as we are likely to get town that way.

David is also worried about how he would look... Man, this post is just one huge SCUMTELL . I wish I could make that blink too, like a snazzy gif. But I don't really need to; just read the post. He calls those trying to achieve a lynch for suspicious, even though he points out that random is more likely to hit town than mafia. So... who would be more worried about achieveing a lynch, town or mafia? Yeah, that's some great logic, thumbs up buddy. I'm just... Only thing I can say is *headdesk*

 

KayIee have too and I know that. It only happened because of this certain case, I got a little bit emotional, and I'm sorry.

 

I also agree Kaylee. Like I said David, you almost seemed strangely amused by the fact that the random happened, and now you're back peddling.

Distancing, distancing, distancing. And some Kaylee-buddying.

 

 

David: anything else to say?

I would love to know why the mafia went for bg as he didn't stand out much to me. Perhaps they want to keep the more "noisy" players in to keep the town distracted. (I know this from being mafia in my previous games).

 

Well the random modkill was a bit anticlimactic. Well to put it bluntly, if I had voted mcs and he flipped town, then that would have made me look very suspicious as it looked like mcs was an easy lynch. Who goes for easy lynches? Mafia, that's who.

Basically the random modkill could have gotten a mafia although probability-wise it's more likely to get town. But the mafia would love an easy lynch, and so I find those players really gunning for mcs suspicious.

The game is about lynching mafia and so we have to find those the most suspicious, not the easiest lynch as we are likely to get town that way.

I think I made a good point here which is highlighted in red. It's very easy for a townie to look suspicious, in fact I would go so far as to say the more suspicious they are the more likely they are town. Ok so I said in post that we have to look for the suspicious ones but honestly that is a very vague method. I can't tell you how many times people found me suspicious when I was town because of my erratic posts and not believing what I had to say. But I think the mafia just want to stop any bandwagons happening to them and lynch all the townies, so going for an easy lynch is something I find very scummy.

 

David is the first to mention the NK... And he has a very good theory about it. Maybe because it was the exact reason they decided in the QT to kill BG in the first place? Oh and that he as the lovely gem, I've taked the freedom to blue it. By that logic, we should never every lynch anyone in any game, because if people look suspicious, they are probably town. Uh-huh. And he's backtracking on his own logic too! Priceless. And trying to subtly push that he's town because he's been lynched for his posting style before, so he can't be mafia just because of that.

 

And I find it hilarious that he's chastising others for jumping on the easy lynches, when that's basically all he's done.

 

Ok, so in conclusion I vote Kaylee.

Then he posts a bogus case on Kaylee, here . I don't even have words for that. He keeps using the phrase "pushing for an easy lynch". Trigger words and all that. Lots of words, not really a lot of content....

 

What do you mean "not really"? :)

You posted 4 short posts in a row, which in my opinion, you could put into one or two posts. I was also thinking you were being a bit defensive but Krak said it for me. I don't know about you making cases (I've looked at all your posts again), but you have voiced your opinions, which usually matched with Pralaya. ;)

 

(By the way, don't take any of this the wrong way.)

Unless someone is more obviously scum then I'm keeping my vote where it is.

Chasisting Kaylee for her posts... Wow. I didn't know it was a scumtell to have more than one post in a row. I frequently have 4-5 posts in a row; I remember something I wanted to say just as I press "post". Links her and Pral. And calls her obvious scum (something I reeeally don't see; I have a strong town read on Kaylee so far).

 

You are right, peacesells, being defensive in and of itself is not very telling but it is probably what you are defending that gives you away.

 

In my opinion Kaylee defended herself well, and I kind of feel bad that she had to explain herself so much (like how hard it is to post on the mobile and such, so, sorry about that Kaylee.)

 

But I have noticed, Kaylee, that you are asking for comments from me and Krak, which is fine as we all need information, but I hope that it's not a tactic to use our words against us and cause a train of votes to follow.

 

I think the scummiest thing about you was gunning for mcs to be lynched, which would have been an easy lynch for the mafia, so if you are town, you were only helping mafia, if mcs is town.

Then David starts with the apologies. Buddy buddy buddying. And that last line... What? Please explain again how a random lynch is good for town and bad for mafia, plz? And Kaylee wasn't "gunning" for MCS; that's again you using trigger words. Kaylee put a vote on MCS, and then pushed people to vote, in general, to avoid a random lynch. She never, ever said "vote MCS guys!!!111!!1"

 

Essentially, for some reason, mcs started to get a lot of votes quite close to the deadline, so it was pretty clear he was going to get lynched. He just needed the hammer vote to get lynched which the mafia could have done. Maybe all of them were on mcs's bandwagon and they just needed a few more town votes. I didn't want to change my vote from Krak to mcs, but there were 5 other players who also didn't change their votes, so I'm not the only one who "let it go to random".

 

mcs's lynch was an easy one because he already had 5 or 6 votes on him in a matter of hours with no real reasoning, in my opinion. So I bet the mafia were trying hard to get players to vote him.

Blue: Trying to paint suspicion on all of us on MCS' train. Green: Blaming others for the random, although he had no idea if anyone else was online, and he was. Red: I can't speak for anyone else, but if you'd read MCS's posts, and you didn't see a single ping in them... Well, I can see only one explanation why you wouldn't... Purple: Again pushing the idea that those on his train was mafia (all 6 of us David? Really? In a game with 12 players you think there is six mafia?) without saying it outright.

 

I do find it fascinating also, that he went after Kaylee, accusing her of an easy lynch, why never, not even once, mentioning that I was the second vote on MCS and the one that got the train rolling.

 

David, you seem to be pretty sure of this theory, in which for it to make sense I would have to be a member of the town. This leads me to theorize, the only way you could be so confident in the fact that the mafia were trying to use me as an easy lynch, is if you know I am town. That would mean you are either the cop and read me last night, or you are scum. No real accusations yet, just a theory in response to yours.

MCS is very careful not to bring out a real accusation... Why? If you're town, and think David has been behaving suspoiusly, why not say so without disclaimers, and maybe place a vote for pressure? Do you think a Cop would act like David has done?

 

 

Official Vote Count

 

Tiinker (2) - Darthe, Gen

BG (1) - Tiinker

Len (1) - Peace

Krak (2) - David, MCS

MCS (6) - Krak, Mish, Kaylee, BG, Len, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

Not Voting

No one

 

Deadline

This is what I was referring to Kaylee. MCS had 6 votes on him. You were his 3rd vote. So, yes he was extremely close to being lynched. And it was obvious how inactive some players are so I don't see how a successful lynch could have happened.

 

Again, pushing the third vote angle. And how could a successull lynch have happened? If you had bothered to change your vote, that's how.

 

MCS: Think about it for a second. I doubt you are mafia because I doubt the mafia would allow one of their members to get lynched D1. Perhaps on D2, but really it's unnecessary on D1, as mafia could get a townie lynched without risking themselves. Surely one of the mafia could have hammered you if they wanted. Maybe all of them were already on your train of votes so they had to rely on town to finish you off (This is just my theory, of course). So you read town to me.

This post just doesn't add up. If MCS was town, mafia would have had no qualms about hammering. Who is it that mafia is hestitant about loosing, especiallyon D1? Other mafia. Oh, and he's again pushing the idea that all the mafia was on the train, so he can't possibly be mafia himself.

 

That does make since, if the mafia team is running a play it cool offense at the beginning of the game. In other games I've been in, where the mafia has won, they were aggressive right out of the gate, wanting to cause as much pandemonium as possible. Perhaps you are being truthful, perhaps you are telling me what I want to hear. All I know is that after one more re-read and a few more responses from the both of you, my vote will be going on either you or Tiink at this point. Both of your votes on Kaylee are desperate and smell of scum. She has not made any direct accusations against either of you, simply given logical ideas, and you place your votes on her. Yeah,she might be trying to stay in everyone's good books by posting the way she is, but that is a good strategy if one is a town player too. She COULD be mafia, any of us could, but right now you two are the biggest wild cards in the deck from where I'm standing. It's up to you which one of you I draw, and perhaps it will be neither if things change later in this day phase. I don't see that happening though.

Subtly pushing the idea that those who were most vocal quickly D1 is mafia. Pushes at David and Tiink, to tie them together.

 

 

 

MCS: Think about it for a second. I doubt you are mafia because I doubt the mafia would allow one of their members to get lynched D1. Perhaps on D2, but really it's unnecessary on D1, as mafia could get a townie lynched without risking themselves. Surely one of the mafia could have hammered you if they wanted. Maybe all of them were already on your train of votes so they had to rely on town to finish you off (This is just my theory, of course). So you read town to me.

Possible. It's also possible he's mafia and none of the other members were on his team.

 

Exactly the point I made. ANY of us could be mafia, and David's healthy assumption that I am town again has me worried. He is either a townie trying to play nice and seem like a low level threat, or playing scum head games.

 

Distancing... By now I'm guessing the mafia is worried; David has done way too much to pull attention to himself, and if anyone was looking closely, it would be obvious... I'm amazed no one has picked it up before now.

 

 

I'm thinking the fact that MCS wasn't lynched and it went random makes it more likely that MCS is scum...not less.

Actually, no. MCS had 6 votes on him, which could be a mixture of mafia and town votes. There were 6 other players with their votes elsewhere, again these could be a mixture of mafia and townie players. So you have to explain why the town players who didn't vote mcs, decided not to lynch him. Basically at this point the mafia had no power to stop mcs's lynch other than unvoting him to reduce his number of votes.

 

The reason I didn't vote him was I didn't believe he was as scumworthy as Krak, and I didn't want to be the hammer vote.

 

And why wouldn't you want to be the hammer vote? Nothing wrong with being the hammer... At least not if you're town and not worried about potentially looking bad. Just too bad that backfired on you, eh?

 

Also I want to make a point: if the activity level stays about the same, I doubt we'll reach a lynch on D2 either.

And then some fearmongering. Trying to push people into rush-voting without thinking.

 

 

What the...?! I wrote a huuuuge case here yesterday?! Where did it go? Arrgh!

 

Fine, incoming after I've done what I'm doing today. In a nutshell, it's a clearcut case that either MCS or David is mafia, or rather, that they both are. I'll redo it all when I come home this evening :dry:

And by the way, very little is clear in this game, so how can you be so sure of anything? We'll have to see how a few more players flip, before we can make any real connections, in my opinion. In fact you've got me suspicious now with your surety.

 

Unvote Kaylee, vote Misheru Sedai.

 

Aaaand the icing on the cake. His immediate omgus on me. Tell me David, how far into a game must we come before I have your allowance to start seeing patterns and find scum tells? I've played a fair share of mafia games so far; I think I'm getting close to 40, I haven't updated my list in about six months or so. And I have good instincts. You ping so much my radar has broken, so yes, I'm sure. You have dropped so many scumtells; conflicting opinions, being worried about how your actions look, changing stories, letting a lynch go random when you had the power to stop it... Well, generally, read my case again if you still don't understand the scumtells you've dropped.

 

 

 

 

 

In conclusion: David, I'm 100% sure of. MCS, 95%. We're halfway to a lynch with 11 hours on the clock.

dapianoplay3r Spam Master

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Official Vote Count

 

David (4) - Kaylee, Krak, David, Peace

Mish (1) - David

Lenlo (1) - Tiinker*

MCS (1) - Len

 

Not Voting;

MCS, Pray, Gen

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to Lynch

L - 2

 

Deadline

 

*you misspelt unvote. I've counted it but I'd prefer if you did it again to be sure

Lenlo Spam Master

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Unvote Vote David

 

Very good posts Mish. Prefer a Tiink one but after that I think Davids going to give us the best information and hopefully a scum.

michellem Grand Master

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Thank you Lenlo. When my gut is screaming like this I'd be stupid to ignore it, lol.

 

9 hours left on the clock and I'm heading to bed. If I wake up to a random lynch, I'm gonna beat ya'lls asses, just so you know :biggrin:

mcs0083 Spam Master

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I don't think my vote at this point will come as a surprise. His posts have been very strange in this phase, and are not reflecting well on me. Plus is crazy and immediate reaction vote on Misheru was quite erratic. It may seem like mine and David's back and forth have been "in sync", and when you quoted them as such with your commentary it even seemed to look that way. It is just coincidental though, and I hope my vote and this phases lynch show that.

 

Vote David

dapianoplay3r Spam Master

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THATS A LYNCH

 

Official Vote Count

 

David (6) - Kaylee, Krak, David, Peace, Len, MCS

Mish (1) - David

Lenlo (1) - Tiinker*

 

Not Voting;

Pray, Gen

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to Lynch

 

 

Deadline

 

*you misspelt unvote. I've counted it but I'd prefer if you did it again to be sure

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