Merlin Mafia [Advanced!]- Town Wins!!!

[WWWwombat]

Mafia could have a one-shot extra kill. I'm willing to be lynched or shot if the town really thinks it's best, but I'd prefer someone who might actually be scum.

[wheeloftime13]

Official Vote Count 

Womby (2/9): Thorum, Bob
Thorum (4/9): Player, peace, Razen, Vambram
Tigraine (1/9): Despo
Razen (1/9): TG
Vambram (2/9): Womby, Hallia

kraka (1/9): Mish

deadline is Tuesday at 20:00 EST 
http://www.timeandda...lin Mafia Day 3

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm not sure why I believe you.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Mafia could have a one-shot extra kill. I'm willing to be lynched or shot if the town really thinks it's best, but I'd prefer someone who might actually be scum.

 

Mafia with a day kill?  Seriously?

 

Wow.  Me thinks you scummy.

[WWWwombat]

he never said it was a daykill iirc

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I'm not sure why I believe you.

 

Who is this directed?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

he never said it was a daykill iirc

 

good observation.  maybe he'll enlighten us.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Official Vote Count

 

Kaylee (2/11): Player, Thorum

Basel (11/11): Razen, kraka, Think, Mish, Kaylee, Rhea, Hallia, Womby, Chuckles, Tigraine, TG

Womby (1/11): Bob

Hallia (1/11): Darthe

Chuckles (1/11): Despo

 

That's a lynch!!! scene coming up...

 

 

Official Vote Count 

 

Tigraine (1/10):  Chuckles

Chuckles (10/10): Despo, peace, Mish, Thorum, Tiink, Womby, Player, kraka, alannalynn, Tigraine

Womby (1/10): Bob

Razen (1/10): TG

 

That's a lynch!!! scene coming up...

 

 

There are four remaining players who were on both lynches.  Obviously not a guarantee of scum but IMO a good place to start.   

[Krakalakachkn]

Wombat.

 

I keep getting a town read, which is frustrating because I almost never get a scum read from Wombat unless he seriously mucks it up.  I think it's because he's rarely been scum when I've played with him.

 

Despo on the other hand...

[Krakalakachkn]

 

Official Vote Count

 

Kaylee (2/11): Player, Thorum

Basel (11/11): Razen, kraka, Think, Mish, Kaylee, Rhea, Hallia, Womby, Chuckles, Tigraine, TG

Womby (1/11): Bob

Hallia (1/11): Darthe

Chuckles (1/11): Despo

 

That's a lynch!!! scene coming up...

 

 

Official Vote Count 

 

Tigraine (1/10):  Chuckles

Chuckles (10/10): Despo, peace, Mish, Thorum, Tiink, Womby, Player, kraka, alannalynn, Tigraine

Womby (1/10): Bob

Razen (1/10): TG

 

That's a lynch!!! scene coming up...

 

 

There are four remaining players who were on both lynches.  Obviously not a guarantee of scum but IMO a good place to start.   

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, are the only one both times to vote Wombat.  Now, I can understand in believing 100% someone is scum and trying to get everyone else to come around - but obviously you've failed so far and the lack of any other attempt on your part to get the ball rolling on anyone else strikes me as unhelpful to the overall game at best.  Not to mention your zen locution.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

Official Vote Count

 

Kaylee (2/11): Player, Thorum

Basel (11/11): Razen, kraka, Think, Mish, Kaylee, Rhea, Hallia, Womby, Chuckles, Tigraine, TG

Womby (1/11): Bob

Hallia (1/11): Darthe

Chuckles (1/11): Despo

 

That's a lynch!!! scene coming up...

 

 

Official Vote Count 

 

Tigraine (1/10):  Chuckles

Chuckles (10/10): Despo, peace, Mish, Thorum, Tiink, Womby, Player, kraka, alannalynn, Tigraine

Womby (1/10): Bob

Razen (1/10): TG

 

That's a lynch!!! scene coming up...

 

 

There are four remaining players who were on both lynches.  Obviously not a guarantee of scum but IMO a good place to start.   

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, are the only one both times to vote Wombat.  Now, I can understand in believing 100% someone is scum and trying to get everyone else to come around - but obviously you've failed so far and the lack of any other attempt on your part to get the ball rolling on anyone else strikes me as unhelpful to the overall game at best.  Not to mention your zen locution.

 

 

At least you have an original thought.  Thanks for posting that observation.  

 

My best guess for scum are two from Wombat, Kraka, Mish, and Tigraine + TG and Vam (who conveniently did not have a vote counted on the final vote counts.  Conspicuous by his absence.

 

Who is your best bet for scum Kraka?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

Official Vote Count

 

Kaylee (2/11): Player, Thorum

Basel (11/11): Razen, kraka, Think, Mish, Kaylee, Rhea, Hallia, Womby, Chuckles, Tigraine, TG

Womby (1/11): Bob

Hallia (1/11): Darthe

Chuckles (1/11): Despo

 

That's a lynch!!! scene coming up...

 

 

Official Vote Count 

 

Tigraine (1/10):  Chuckles

Chuckles (10/10): Despo, peace, Mish, Thorum, Tiink, Womby, Player, kraka, alannalynn, Tigraine

Womby (1/10): Bob

Razen (1/10): TG

 

That's a lynch!!! scene coming up...

 

 

There are four remaining players who were on both lynches.  Obviously not a guarantee of scum but IMO a good place to start.   

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, are the only one both times to vote Wombat.  Now, I can understand in believing 100% someone is scum and trying to get everyone else to come around - but obviously you've failed so far and the lack of any other attempt on your part to get the ball rolling on anyone else strikes me as unhelpful to the overall game at best.  Not to mention your zen locution.

 

 

On the second read, really?  I'm voting who I think is scum.  Two times you voted "anyone" and ended up lynching town and now you find my play "unhelpful" to town?  Really?

 

Unvote, Vote Kraka

[Krakalakachkn]

Are you putting quotes around "anyone" because Basel and Lolguy don't count as "people?"

 

 

As for your actions, yeah, we're finally getting something from you these past two pages.

 

 

 

 

And "really?"  You're voting me because I said you were being "unhelpful?"  How is that "helpful" to the "town?"

[Krakalakachkn]

And "on second read?" 

 

"Really?"

 

 

It took you two reads to get the gist of 3/5 of the entire comment I made?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Are you putting quotes around "anyone" because Basel and Lolguy don't count as "people?"

 

 

As for your actions, yeah, we're finally getting something from you these past two pages.

 

 

 

 

And "really?"  You're voting me because I said you were being "unhelpful?"  How is that "helpful" to the "town?"

 

You want to lynch "anyone", hence your votes.  I want to lynch scum, hence my votes on you and Wombat.  Lynching scum is always helpful to the town.  

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

And "on second read?" 

 

"Really?"

 

 

It took you two reads to get the gist of 3/5 of the entire comment I made?

 

Yes.  What was helpful about your votes?

[Krakalakachkn]

Obviously nothing.

 

 

 

Does that make me scum, as your line of reasoning suggests?

 

 

No.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Obviously nothing.

 

 

 

Does that make me scum, as your line of reasoning suggests?

 

 

No.

 

I'll let the town judge the rest.  My top two scum bets are you and/or Wombat.

[Krakalakachkn]

I love how I jump from one of four to one of two after I said you were being unhelpful to the town.

 

 

Lynching scum is always helpful to the town.  

 

I can see why they call you Sensei.

 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count

Kaylee (2/11): Player, Thorum
Basel (11/11): Razen, kraka, Think, Mish, Kaylee, Rhea, Hallia, Womby, Chuckles, Tigraine, TG
Womby (1/11): Bob
Hallia (1/11): Darthe
Chuckles (1/11): Despo

 

That's a lynch!!! scene coming up...

 

 

Official Vote Count 

Tigraine (1/10):  Chuckles
Chuckles (10/10): Despo, peace, Mish, Thorum, Tiink, Womby, Player, kraka, alannalynn, Tigraine
Womby (1/10): Bob
Razen (1/10): TG

 

That's a lynch!!! scene coming up...
 

 

There are four remaining players who were on both lynches.  Obviously not a guarantee of scum but IMO a good place to start.   

 

 

I do like this idea though.  It can be enlightening to compare lynch trains.

[Tigraine]

Idk why we're worried about backup SK with only one kill last night. Why not wait for confirmation before going on that wild goose chase?

 

I can case Thorum if you want Darthe but it might have to wait 'til tomorrow (on my phone atm). Suffice it to say, he's been acting extremely scummy since I defended him and he's been trying to get me lynched because of it too. It's like he thinks that me flipping town will clear him or something.

 

I don't think we've seen enough kills to deduce a strategy from them yet. Kaylee kill seemed kinda knee-jerk and noobish, but the Tiink kill was pretty logical. So basically only one informative kill there imo.

 

I would also like to reiterate my desire for a character reveal from Thorum. If he's so fond of them and thinks they're harmless, then I see no reason he can't oblige us.

I can't believe you actually say that and then go on to lead the discussion you lead!! Talk about wild goose chases!

 

 

 

Occams Razor is the concept that the simplest answer is likely the correct one.

 

And Dap you have that backwards

Well that's simple. Sheesh, I remember being in a game a long time ago with Mynd and Bgshrinko as there turned Occam's razon into a thesis in the game. Why didn't they just say that?

Wondering if this is where the idea was born about starting a thesis in the middle of this game. Curious that this should be mentioned then it happens...

 

Just caught up really quick. Darthe is scum.

 

Unvote, Vote Darthe (can't remember if I had a vote.

 

He's spouting complete drivel and trying to wrap it up in fancy words to make it seem like he's actually saying something useful. Gaming the mod to try and say there could be a backup SK instead of a 5th scum? Yeah that's about as scummy as you can get. And that older player/newer player pool "theory" is complete crap. Random.org doesn't consult player's experience levels before choosing roles and alignments, and saying you'd look at newer players while "someone else" looks at older players just reeks of trying to setup a teammate later on down the road to case someone specific.

 

As for other stuff, Wombat's theory was def a bit far-fetched, but possible I suppose (Thorum's character claimfishing was bizarre and unnecessary). However. Why in the WORLD would everyone let him get away with then asking for Thorum's character? Its like he set himself up to look scummy because of his own crazy theory. If Thorum was mafia, he'd be more worried about giving you his character name because it would obv be scum than he would worry about someone using it to hurt him. Logic fail there, chief.

 

One of Razen's last posts actually makes me feel better bout him. I also didn't like all the backup SK talk, was stupid and distracting.

 

Could also lynch Tigs today, she looks scummy to me and has laid low today, and her admitted lurking playstyle is a hindrance to town.

Kinda the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me *shrugs*

 

Also, hate to have to say this yet again, but once again Darthe you're completely misusing and misexplaining Occam's Razor.

 

The ACTUAL principle states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. The whole "all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one" is really just a cutesy memorable sounding quote which actually misses the mark. It has nothing to do with what is RIGHT, it has to do with what is practical.

 

If you're testing a hypothesis, the less assumptions you're dealing with the better, because that is less variables that are unaccounted for that could possibly taint the findings. If you're trying to validate a hypothesis that has an inordinate amount of assumptions, you are somewhat doomed from the start since so much of your theory hangs on unproven notions.

 

Thus, there is no Clintonian debate about what constitutes the "simplest" explanation, it is simply whichever one literally has less assumptions.

 

And to reiterate, it has no bearing on what hypothesis would actually end up being true. There are countless phenomena in this world that used to be explained with a "simple" explanation, when the actual process turned out to be incredibly complex.

 

Basically, if you're getting your definition of a logical principle like Occam's Razor from a Matthew McConaghey quote in the movie Contact, you're doing it wrong.

Who cares? Neither the time nor place but wait....there's more!!

 

 

Also, hate to have to say this yet again, but once again Darthe you're completely misusing and misexplaining Occam's Razor.

 

The ACTUAL principle states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. The whole "all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one" is really just a cutesy memorable sounding quote which actually misses the mark. It has nothing to do with what is RIGHT, it has to do with what is practical.

 

If you're testing a hypothesis, the less assumptions you're dealing with the better, because that is less variables that are unaccounted for that could possibly taint the findings. If you're trying to validate a hypothesis that has an inordinate amount of assumptions, you are somewhat doomed from the start since so much of your theory hangs on unproven notions.

 

Thus, there is no Clintonian debate about what constitutes the "simplest" explanation, it is simply whichever one literally has less assumptions.

 

And to reiterate, it has no bearing on what hypothesis would actually end up being true. There are countless phenomena in this world that used to be explained with a "simple" explanation, when the actual process turned out to be incredibly complex.

 

Basically, if you're getting your definition of a logical principle like Occam's Razor from a Matthew McConaghey quote in the movie Contact, you're doing it wrong.

That quote isn't bad imo. Technically, your definition of parsimony is accurate, but also incomplete. The magnitude of an assumption is also important. It's better to have five reasonable assumptions than one obviously false one.

Very true, but then again any scientist or logic technician worth their weight in silver would already use their own hyper developed sense of judgement to determine which assumptions were weak and should be discarded.

Here is despo, quoting wombat, quoting despo...again, this stuff is useless drivel

Back and forth they go on this subject with game related posts strung out through the middle until finally ...

 

 

And the Contact quote is Garbo btw. As I mentioned, there are countless situations in which the correct answer might be the more "complicated" one, and the quote has led to a ridiculous number of people who misuse the precept in daily life. And its also dangerous to use in mafia as well, since it could override better judgement and have people just go for the "simplest" solution, when often it takes a complex mind to truly get to the heart of the matter.

The people who misuse the quote tend not to remember the whole quote. "All else being equal" is a very strong caveat seeing as explanatory and predictive power fall under "all else."

True. But let's leave it at that tho, this discussion might soon detail the game again.

...despo FINALLY remembers they are playing a game not having a debate

 

 

If you are going after lurkers, looks like there are a lot more to choose from than me but hey. Whatever floats your boat.

 

I think you put in a lot of fluff about physics and crap because your points suck and using big words makes it look more solid ;)

Its true there are a lot of Lurkers to choose from, and if I could I'd lunch them all today. Their play is hurting town, just like it hurts it in every game.

 

And I'm sorry my big words confuzzle you, I could try typing more slowly if that helps? There's a big difference between me having a big vocabulary and using the right word for the situation and trying to write big fluff posts full of vapid wanna-be fanciful speech like Darthe was writing.

After that back and forth crap with wombat I think you should look up the term hypocrite..obviously it's not in all those big words you have stored. Your discussion, was absolutely pointless to this game. Yes you have made a lot of "scum hunting " posts and called people out, here's where i call bs because I think it's just a ploy. I think you and wombat decided to debate in the middle of the game on purpose after peace's comment and done a good job of derailing the game short term. I truly would not be surprised if Despo and Wombat both flip scum.

[WWWwombat]

Who cares? Plenty of people post stuff that isn't related to the game. It didn't slow down our game argument so why are you making such a big deal out of nothing? Kinda feels like that pointless vig discussion that you and Chuckles and Krak were having earlier.

[Darthe]

Thorum has got some family he likes to visit sometimes during the weekend. Is that allowed without getting lynched for not role- and characterclaiming? Which of you have, so far?

 

Let me put all your minds to rest, and reveal: I'm Lancelot.

 

I'm a vig, which explains why I thought there were double roles (but Kaylee turned out to have lied about her role). Which is also why I did not give a good reason for why I thought there could easily be double roles before.

 

I voted wombat because he's (day 1 and 2) been WAY too certain of my innocence to be so himself, as I have been stating since quite early. His vote today only confirms me in this, since he now has to distance himself from me because I WILL turn out to be town. Also, he's been very active yesterday during my absence, taking advantage of it to get everyone to think everyone agrees on my scummyness, which it ain't.

 

Any more questions?

 

Lancelot, one of the most important characters of the Arturian legend, supposedly a simple one shot vig who followed and gave excuse for the SK and people questions why I am hesitant to dismiss the possibility of a second SK?

 

 

Hallia: who are you and who did you target?

 

Just so I remember we still haven't gotten an answer to that: Hallia

 

For all clarity: I'll unvote as soon as we get her answer (well, unless she claims to be who I am).

 

 

Can someone reread Kaylee's posts. Mainly with two questions in mind:

- why did she claim vig instead of serial killer? I got the impression everyone read that claim as her having only one shot, while a serial killer obviously has a series of shots.

- who tried to strengthen her train without seeming to do so? This could have been a good tactic for mafia. 

 

OMFG is this for real?  Could Thorum actually believe the crap he's posting?

 

 

I don't think so.  See above.  Even if his claim is real I find it odd in light of some info I didn't know (the resurrection thing).  

 

Also, judging from his actions today, I would say that Vambram is scum with a poorly executed bus vote on Thorum.  He tried to subtly discredit Hallia earlier in the day (and possibly indirectly defend Thorum) but as soon as he drew heat for it, he clammed up, yielding to experience, and voted Thorum.

 

Would not disagree or mind a vambram lynch.  Btw, this is being said a lot but to this point on my catchup I have seen very few votes with much more intention to vote messages.  

 

Just caught up really quick. Darthe is scum.

 

Unvote, Vote Darthe (can't remember if I had a vote.

 

He's spouting complete drivel and trying to wrap it up in fancy words to make it seem like he's actually saying something useful. Gaming the mod to try and say there could be a backup SK instead of a 5th scum? Yeah that's about as scummy as you can get. And that older player/newer player pool "theory" is complete crap. Random.org doesn't consult player's experience levels before choosing roles and alignments, and saying you'd look at newer players while "someone else" looks at older players just reeks of trying to setup a teammate later on down the road to case someone specific.

 

As for other stuff, Wombat's theory was def a bit far-fetched, but possible I suppose (Thorum's character claimfishing was bizarre and unnecessary). However. Why in the WORLD would everyone let him get away with then asking for Thorum's character? Its like he set himself up to look scummy because of his own crazy theory. If Thorum was mafia, he'd be more worried about giving you his character name because it would obv be scum than he would worry about someone using it to hurt him. Logic fail there, chief.

 

One of Razen's last posts actually makes me feel better bout him. I also didn't like all the backup SK talk, was stupid and distracting.

 

Could also lynch Tigs today, she looks scummy to me and has laid low today, and her admitted lurking playstyle is a hindrance to town.

 

This is bullshat.  I am considering possibilities with the backup SK which, in my opinion, is pretty well founded and the theory isn't about what random.org selects.  Considering how intelligent you are or think you are I would think you could see that if you separate a specific group based on any variable (even one you create) and then individually and systematically examine them you will be able and more clearly find disparities/ avoid cloudy judgement caused by too much going on.  In this instance however, it simply isn't a random variable because experience has effects on gameplay.  Furthermore I find it beyond difficult to believe that you are against this and yet somewhat accepting of Wombats theory based on... conjecture?  

 

Also, hate to have to say this yet again, but once again Darthe you're completely misusing and misexplaining Occam's Razor.

 

The ACTUAL principle states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. The whole "all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one" is really just a cutesy memorable sounding quote which actually misses the mark. It has nothing to do with what is RIGHT, it has to do with what is practical.

 

If you're testing a hypothesis, the less assumptions you're dealing with the better, because that is less variables that are unaccounted for that could possibly taint the findings. If you're trying to validate a hypothesis that has an inordinate amount of assumptions, you are somewhat doomed from the start since so much of your theory hangs on unproven notions.

 

Thus, there is no Clintonian debate about what constitutes the "simplest" explanation, it is simply whichever one literally has less assumptions.

 

And to reiterate, it has no bearing on what hypothesis would actually end up being true. There are countless phenomena in this world that used to be explained with a "simple" explanation, when the actual process turned out to be incredibly complex.

 

Basically, if you're getting your definition of a logical principle like Occam's Razor from a Matthew McConaghey quote in the movie Contact, you're doing it wrong.

 

This essentially WIFOMed a simple definition for anyone wanting to grasp the concept..

 

There's your "strong guiding hand" Darthe.

 

I was thinking something similar.

 

 

Thorum has got some family he likes to visit sometimes during the weekend. Is that allowed without getting lynched for not role- and characterclaiming? Which of you have, so far?

 

Let me put all your minds to rest, and reveal: I'm Lancelot.

 

I'm a vig, which explains why I thought there were double roles (but Kaylee turned out to have lied about her role). Which is also why I did not give a good reason for why I thought there could easily be double roles before.

 

I voted wombat because he's (day 1 and 2) been WAY too certain of my innocence to be so himself, as I have been stating since quite early. His vote today only confirms me in this, since he now has to distance himself from me because I WILL turn out to be town. Also, he's been very active yesterday during my absence, taking advantage of it to get everyone to think everyone agrees on my scummyness, which it ain't.

 

Any more questions?

 

If you are the Vig, can you claim credit for any kill?  

 

Why not shoot Wombat to eliminate the Wifom?

 

 

Really thinking Not bob is scum, I mean look at this drivel.  If he legitimately believed the claim then he wouldn't attempt to immediately direct a kill and wombat is a poor choice regardless.  Furthermore, considering the relative ease of checking who is alive/dead in game (if anyone doesn't know in their head anyhow which I would find difficult to believe) I have to assume that the first sentence is rhetoric meant to discredit another person.  This post pings me a lot.

 

Also, happy Father's day to any daddies out there. Just got a hug and kiss from my beautiful little girl!

 

Unrelated, but cute.  

 

A bit surprised there haven't been any unvotes on those three pages... Do you think there is no lancelot (and I would somehow know as mafia), or do you just not care about losing a chance to get scum?

 

There are multiple decent cases, including wombat and davram.

 

Personally, I hadn't voted for you because I wanted a claim but I think you're your own worst enemy here and have been with your play.  

 

 

Also, totally willing to lynch Vambram today too.

 

Something we agree on in a world of ambiguity.

 

 

Note another person stating they are willing, I think I have quoted a few of these through the post to prove that it happened a lot.  

 

I looked into Lancelot, and he's actually dead in the show? O.o Sir Lancelot was a close friend of Merlin and a Knight of Camelot whom was also in love with Guinevere. A good man, he was devoted to protecting people and helping his friends. He was one of the first to discover Merlin's magic which he kept secret and was one of few people who would ever had discovered this. His death shocked Camelot when he gave his life in place of Arthur's upon the Isle of the Blessed.

 

He gets resurrected as a shade, and is evil; so it would be hard to say if he were the living Lancelot or the dead one.  No one has counterclaimed though, so I'd feel more comfortable voting Vam for now

 

Vote Vam

 

Thank you for the info on Lancelot, but I don't understand the vote switch.  I'm not defending vam, but I at least want people to show the why so we have info to go on later.

 

Personally, I'm gonna Vote Krak

 

He was the first person to bring up a Lie Detector possibility, and yet as far as I remember, he didn't join in when (mostly) everyone stated they were town. To me, it smells of mafia knowing there's an LD, probably because they have a silver tongue. He was pushing hard on me, probably hoping to distract the LD to check me and thus give the mafia another free night. Even bringing it up again today, completly uneccessary. I see no reason why he should bring it up again today. I stated quite clearly last day that I'm town. So why keep bringing it up? Maybe he was hopnig the LD would speak up and say they'd checked me, so the mafia knew who the LD was.

 

You keep talking about an LD..

 

 

When people start talking physics, I head in the other direction. Never was any good in that subject...that's usually the class I used to catch up on my sleep

 

From the discussion yesterday about the "needing names" game theory to the discussion of theories of relativity, Wombat you sure have created enough chaos for scum to hide behind. I agree with NotBob, that's probably a debate that should be held somewhere else instead of here in font of his simpleton. In other words...get a room ;)

 

 

Thorum wasn't that scummy D1. Just because someone disagrees with the crappy norms the community has set up doesn't mean he's scum.

 

This time he's literally not making sense.

I disagree, I even said myself that I kind of thought Thorum was likely town because I thought no scummer would actually act that overtly scummy. And certain community norms were developed for a reason, because it became very clear after a certain amount of time that certain behaviors were just inherently scummy, or at the very least anti-town. Certain.

 

And I don't think he's made sense all game, and have pointed that out multiple times.

So why not vote him...if he's not making sense then he can't be helpin town right? You speak of not wanting to derail the game and yet STILL debate this Einstein crap with Wombat.

 

If you are both scum, you done a swell job creating a smoke screen for others to hide behind. And again Despo, I play how I play whether you like my style or not

What an incredibly scummy post. First of all, you overuse the whole "You create enough chaos/smoke for others to hide behind" thing. Second, did you even READ any of my other posts on Thorum, or did you merely try to take one out of context to try and namake me look scummy? Oh right, the latter.

 

I said multiple times that I have a deep town read on Thorum. Wombat said that now he was starting to make no sense, and I gave an example of how he hasn't made sense all game. Do I consider Thorum's pea-brained reasoning to be anti-town? Of course. That doesn't mean I wouldn't rather lynch scum today.

 

I wish more had responded to my points on Darthe, but for now I'd like to get an actual train going. Vam won't offer much either way methinks, hell just come in and whine about being voted for inactivity. I think we should pressure Tigraine to illustrate the new commitment to discouraging crappy lurky behavior.

 

Unvote, Vote Tigs

 

 

This post was some of the biggest BS all game.  First, calling a post scummy doesn't help anything except to attempt and bias other readers.  The expression used is reinforcing that before you get into anything, as a matter of fact the entire first paragraph is rhetoric rather than reasoning and is (hah) scummy. Past this, how can you argue both that you find Thorum's anti-town play to not be legitimate cause for a lynch but then turn around and say that Tigraines anti-town play is reason for a lynch?  That isn't even in different posts, and in the midst of doing so you stick in a jab on me, wombat, and chainsaw defend Vam.  

 

^This Post is bs.

 

 

Part 2 incoming.

[Darthe]

lol Despo is snarky this game.  enjoying it.

 

And thus begins this series of interactions.

 

 

lol Despo is snarky this game. enjoying it.

For what its worth you're one of the few I have a town read on this game.

 

 

Watch.

 

I got reminded of the double role because of kaylee's lie, but couldn't push on it at the end of day.

I've only seen the series up to series 3, when Lancelot was definitely alive and good. Thanks for the spoiler,btw :(

Wombat claimed a confirmed townie vig would be a good lynching candidate. To which I replied a confirmed townie is always a good thing.

 

Double role?  Is there something I am missing here or is that a slip?    Also, Wombat didn't say that and agreed that spoilers should have a bit more care.

 

 

 

 

 

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Sure looks like I'm lurking huh?

Post count does NOT equal lurking. If you drift through the game and rarely offer any true reads or insight, then you're lurking. You yourself admitted to your own lurkiness. The majority if your posts this game have been wifomy "I wonder why this happened..." type posts. The few times you have tried "scumhunting" its been putrescent.

Looks like I struck a nerve! People don't often call BS on you do they?

I think you completely misunderstand the concept of the phrase "striking a nerve", and/or have completely misread the tone of my posts. You have struck no nerve, besides the nerve that gets set off when scummy lurkers whine about being called out on it.

You imply I ever put forth bs to be called out on. Even when I lie its still a springtime breeze compared to the stuff you've spouted lately. Either way, try and point out what you think is "bs" about anything I said.

 

 

Translation: Yes, you struck a nerve.

 

Mish...why are you acting like there is a confirmed LD in this game?

 

Considering how sure Mish is of it... why are you role fishing?  You are pretty overtly sneaking in things like this.

 

 

 

If you are going after lurkers, looks like there are a lot more to choose from than me but hey. Whatever floats your boat.

I think you put in a lot of fluff about physics and crap because your points suck and using big words makes it look more solid ;)

Its true there are a lot of Lurkers to choose from, and if I could I'd lunch them all today. Their play is hurting town, just like it hurts it in every game.

And I'm sorry my big words confuzzle you, I could try typing more slowly if that helps? There's a big difference between me having a big vocabulary and using the right word for the situation and trying to write big fluff posts full of vapid wanna-be fanciful speech like Darthe was writing.

 

 

It's not the big words.  It's using the big concepts to sell a theory that doesn't serve the town's interest.  Hence my vote on Wombat.  If you want to talk physics fine.  Another thread maybe?  If you want to use physics to insinuate you see something you cannot explain to others and try to sell that to the town as gospel I have to balk.  

 

Agreed.  Darthe is a tool without the intellectual capacity to play this game.

 

 

Ironic that you say this first paragraph without a care in the world for the illogical reasoning of Despos posts.

 

Also F* off and die.  

 

Doesn't confirm his alignment, just that he has a kill. I'm well aware of the double slit experiment. The physics tangent was totally unrelated to the game. I don't know why people are having trouble with that. I brought up Occam's Razor in one post as a potential justification for not believing my previous case. Darthe defined it for Peace iirc. Then Des tried to "school" Darthe over the semantics of it because Des is even more arrogant than Darthe. The physics merely came about in the context of refuting Des' irrelevant and specious semantic argument. It had nothing to do with anything I was saying about gameplay. Get over it.

 

How people think you aren't town I have no clue.  The focus that has been given to your statements unrelated to the game and related in actuality to mafia strategy is baffling and a clear mafia push imo.

 

 

Part 3 soon...

[Darthe]

 

Mafia could have a one-shot extra kill. I'm willing to be lynched or shot if the town really thinks it's best, but I'd prefer someone who might actually be scum.

 

Mafia with a day kill?  Seriously?

 

Wow.  Me thinks you scummy.

 

 

K.

 

 

he never said it was a daykill iirc

 

good observation.  maybe he'll enlighten us.

 

 

Then here you back off when you realize it is unfounded/ can't be supported without leaving you vulnerable.

 

Wombat.

 

I keep getting a town read, which is frustrating because I almost never get a scum read from Wombat unless he seriously mucks it up.  I think it's because he's rarely been scum when I've played with him.

 

Despo on the other hand...

 

Despo what?  God I hate posts like this, nobody needs a cliffhanger for extra dramatic effect.  Worse, it never got finished and could be later quoted for practically anything.

 

 

Obviously nothing.

 

 

 

Does that make me scum, as your line of reasoning suggests?

 

 

No.

 

I'll let the town judge the rest.  My top two scum bets are you and/or Wombat.

 

 

This is either a bad case of confirmation bias or someone pushing a random agenda.  Also, you recently seemed pretty keen on me, so why did I drop off the list?  Better, can you rank everyone in the game from most likely scum to most likely town?

 

In related news I didn't feel like spamming the page by quoting it but the Tigraine analysis on the last page was not bad.

[Thorum]

I'm not a day vig.

 

I'm confirmed innocent (or will be soon) because no one will counterclaim being Lancelot, and if they do, you'll all know who's next to lynch. Exactly the same as with Halia, because no one counterclaimed being Arthur.