Ghost Mafia - 3 out of 33 survive - Town wins!

[Red2111]

finaly caught up.

 

EP nothing I have posted was outdated, stop trying to discredit me. you're a confirmed townie today, I have no interest in wasting effort going back and forth with you.

 

Cloud and Peace still need major looking at; Tal and TGI with their reveal call are suspicious as well.

 

 

notes:

 

#1023: Darth - you contradict yourself. if we focus on one day at a time, how are we supposed to determine when a person changes their play style. aside from the fact that we’re all experienced enough in this game to know not to change play style upon recruitment.

 

your just full of bad advice this game Darth.

 

 

#1026: Verb: agrees with Darths bad logic, but most importantly he says absolutely nothing about the No Lynches.

 

^ major ass ping.

 

 

#1028: Tal: okay you’re really focused on the items. and you keep trying to put doubt on Ithi. it goes without saying that you dont believe a person 100%, but it also goes without saying you dont actively try to discredit them unless you have good reason.

 

i dislike you focusing on the items so much and even more so your request like TGI for people to out themselves. the FLIR viewings are posted publicly, this is good enough for me, it should be for you as well.

 

 

#1029: Scene: this is definitely a possessed person doing the killing ”facing a person she knew, and yet was near unrecognizable at the same time. The figure reached out with freezing cold fingers”

 

cold fingers, and changed from the person Lily knew. so imo, this is a cultafia as its literal definition that Nol linked. and upon further examination of the combined scenes, i take back my original opinion of Turins death being a vig kill.

 

 

#1085: EP: no, what i think is that the House is the “original” ghost and it has chosen one of use to possess, which in turn chooses others to possess. so the Manevolent ghost detached itself from the house onto one of us, who then became a Cultafia leader.

 

 

#1086: Womby: i think basing who Lily was voting as a reason to kill Rand is too much WIFOM.

 

 

#1193: Ape: “ mean, if you want to really get into it... you are voting PEACE as an extension of things he said and did on hour 1, because he's pretty much been quiet here in hour 2... so, why isn't that considered invalid?”

 

partly. the case started D1, all of which is done after pg15 where the scum first appears (according to flavor scenes imo). but i’ve also cased him D2, i’ve been all over his ass for the Nol lynch, (him and Cloud).

 

EP pointed out the supposed freudian slip by Nol, and Peace took that shit and ran with it like an ethiopian with a twix bar. its easy to push a lynch as scum and stick your neck out when your taking a confirmed townies idea as the reason for the push.

 

since the Nol train died, *poof* Peace is gone silent. this is why i believe he’s our cultafia leader

 

 

 

#1215: Vam: this is why i’m voting you.

 

”Nothing really changed between day one and day two” if nothing really voted changed D1 & D2, then why make the statement “no one seems more scummy than the other”. and why then did you need Wombys post to give cause to go back and look harder at Rand and re-vote him.

 

if nothing truly changed, then you would have come out of the gate and voted Rand straight off.

[RandA lThor]

 

 

lmao, I was not trying to put out a fake threat, Rand. I was merely pointing out a fact.

I am also pointing out a fact to everyone who is voting against me, that despite what y'all believe you are seeing which causes you to think that I have been possessed and am therefore scum, the fact is that I am NOT possessed and I am Town, and I am NOT on the Mafia .. or Ghost team. 

...and why should we believe that?  You can say you're not on the mafia team all you want, and you can still be on the mafia team.  Pointing out that other people are voting with you (and technically you're voting with them) doesn't mean anything.

 

 

So, will you believe me after y'all lynch me and I flip Town like I know that I will? Is that what it would take to finally convince you, Rand, and the rest of y'all that I am Town?

 

 

um... that or a FLIR view

[Vambram]

finaly caught up.

 

EP nothing I have posted was outdated, stop trying to discredit me. you're a confirmed townie today, I have no interest in wasting effort going back and forth with you.

 

Cloud and Peace still need major looking at; Tal and TGI with their reveal call are suspicious as well.

 

 

notes:

 

#1023: Darth - you contradict yourself. if we focus on one day at a time, how are we supposed to determine when a person changes their play style. aside from the fact that we’re all experienced enough in this game to know not to change play style upon recruitment.

 

your just full of bad advice this game Darth.

 

 

#1026: Verb: agrees with Darths bad logic, but most importantly he says absolutely nothing about the No Lynches.

 

^ major ass ping.

 

 

#1028: Tal: okay you’re really focused on the items. and you keep trying to put doubt on Ithi. it goes without saying that you dont believe a person 100%, but it also goes without saying you dont actively try to discredit them unless you have good reason.

 

i dislike you focusing on the items so much and even more so your request like TGI for people to out themselves. the FLIR viewings are posted publicly, this is good enough for me, it should be for you as well.

 

 

#1029: Scene: this is definitely a possessed person doing the killing ”facing a person she knew, and yet was near unrecognizable at the same time. The figure reached out with freezing cold fingers”

 

cold fingers, and changed from the person Lily knew. so imo, this is a cultafia as its literal definition that Nol linked. and upon further examination of the combined scenes, i take back my original opinion of Turins death being a vig kill.

 

 

#1085: EP: no, what i think is that the House is the “original” ghost and it has chosen one of use to possess, which in turn chooses others to possess. so the Manevolent ghost detached itself from the house onto one of us, who then became a Cultafia leader.

 

 

#1086: Womby: i think basing who Lily was voting as a reason to kill Rand is too much WIFOM.

 

 

#1193: Ape: “ mean, if you want to really get into it... you are voting PEACE as an extension of things he said and did on hour 1, because he's pretty much been quiet here in hour 2... so, why isn't that considered invalid?”

 

partly. the case started D1, all of which is done after pg15 where the scum first appears (according to flavor scenes imo). but i’ve also cased him D2, i’ve been all over his ass for the Nol lynch, (him and Cloud).

 

EP pointed out the supposed freudian slip by Nol, and Peace took that shit and ran with it like an ethiopian with a twix bar. its easy to push a lynch as scum and stick your neck out when your taking a confirmed townies idea as the reason for the push.

 

since the Nol train died, *poof* Peace is gone silent. this is why i believe he’s our cultafia leader

 

 

 

#1215: Vam: this is why i’m voting you.

 

”Nothing really changed between day one and day two” if nothing really voted changed D1 & D2, then why make the statement “no one seems more scummy than the other”. and why then did you need Wombys post to give cause to go back and look harder at Rand and re-vote him.

 

if nothing truly changed, then you would have come out of the gate and voted Rand straight off.

 

Perhaps that is the way that you play the game, Red. However, I don't come out of the gate and vote anyone straight off. That simply is not my style at all. 

[Red2111]

but the point is Vam, you voted Rand D1 for reasons.

 

then you come out D2 and state "no one looks scummier than anyone else"

 

then when pressured you vote Rand again, later saying that you found him still scumy from D1 and using Wombys points to justify why you still find him scummy.

 

 

so either no one appears more scummy than another in this game and you just wagoned Rand D1; or you were lieing about no one seeming scummier than another today.

 

 

 

what made Rand not see so scummy from your vote D1 to your post D2?

[Red2111]

and its not called, "coming out of the gate" its called being constant in how you vote and why.

 

sounds to me like you forgot you found Rand scummy and conveniently recalled it once you were FoSd over your fence sitting.

[Vambram]

I did not forget why I voted Rand on Day 1. On Day 2, I found that he, along with a few others, were all appearing scummy for me. Then, when pushed to make a vote, I decided to go ahead and make my vote again on Rand. THAT is what happened, and THAT is what I did. 

[Vambram]

Time for me to head off to work. Good night, y'all and I shall log back online late tomorrow afternoon.

[Red2111]

if " I found that he, along with a few others, were all appearing scummy for me." is true then why would you say

 

Let me restate what I meant.

 

No one stands out above the rest as being more scummy than anyone else.

 

it directly contradicts each other and is the reason i'm voting you.

 

because it wasn't until you were pressured over the fence siting that you change from

 

"no one is more scummy" to "omg yeah Rand and others are scummy"

[WWWwombat]

Rand was also calling for item use reveals btw Red. He suggested it early D2 when agreeing with my no lynch push IIRC. This Vam witch hunt is crap. Just because he's clumsy doesn't mean he's scum. You guys are falling victim to mob mentality. This lynch will give us no info if Vam flips town (which I think he will) because all of the sheeple can fall back on the "he looked so scummy" argument. Some of you should know better. FoS the vets on the Vam train.

[DPR]

Somebody get Ted Wiggins a tree.

 

Then lynch someone. Damn. 

[Gabriel Kross]

Vote for rand if u want to kill mafia or do I need to go shepherd on some sheeple?

[RandA lThor]

Wombat, stop trying to manipulate what i said

I specifically said to reveal only after you had used your shots and were essentially vanilla and if telling us would not impact the usefullness of the shot. Whats wrong with that?

[Darthe]

 

#675: Scene:  so EP is cleared as town for today.  Wes’s scene also seems to suggest turin was killed by a ghost.

 

so either we’re dealing with a cultafia with a recruit and kill (most likely) or a solo SK (unlikely given the knowns in the OP)

 

 

 

also I've already covered the most likely situation to this.

 

Did you randomly make this word up?  Sounds ridiculous.

 

 

Never used except in very very special cases and bastard games but cultafia is real.  Cult + kill.  So weighted against town unless the CL dies almost instantly.

[WWWwombat]

Wombat, stop trying to manipulate what i said

I specifically said to reveal only after you had used your shots and were essentially vanilla and if telling us would not impact the usefullness of the shot. Whats wrong with that?

 

There's quite a bit wrong with it.  It reveals info that the mafia could use without giving the town much.  Furthermore, if the results of item use are kept close to the vest, they could be used further down the line to vet or incriminate people.

[Gabriel Kross]

Wombat, stop trying to manipulate what i said

I specifically said to reveal only after you had used your shots and were essentially vanilla and if telling us would not impact the usefullness of the shot. Whats wrong with that?

The fact that revealing said information gives the mafia a heads up as to what kind of items to expect and plan around, as well as make easy recruitment targets, on top of that its an easy way for mafia to hide by claiming they used an item and got x result

[WWWwombat]

Anyway, the Rand train is at L - 8 with under 10 hours until deadline.  I don't like the idea of lynching Vambram, but I'm curious as to what will happen when we lynch someone, so I'd like to achieve a lynch.

 

unvote

Vote: Vambram

 

Rand, you can go back into your hole until Hour 3.

[RandA lThor]

 

Wombat, stop trying to manipulate what i said

I specifically said to reveal only after you had used your shots and were essentially vanilla and if telling us would not impact the usefullness of the shot. Whats wrong with that?

 

There's quite a bit wrong with it.  It reveals info that the mafia could use without giving the town much.  Furthermore, if the results of item use are kept close to the vest, they could be used further down the line to vet or incriminate people.

 

Without giving town much?  We currently have almost no idea on how this game mechanic works, and I can almost guarantee that the possessed know much more about it than we do.  If actions such as vig shots, roleblocks, cop views in guilty scenarios, doc protects, and things like that which are only 1-shot are used up and then town is told, mafia gains no information, but town knows more as to try and deduce more about the game mechanic.

 

 

Wombat, stop trying to manipulate what i said

I specifically said to reveal only after you had used your shots and were essentially vanilla and if telling us would not impact the usefullness of the shot. Whats wrong with that?

The fact that revealing said information gives the mafia a heads up as to what kind of items to expect and plan around, as well as make easy recruitment targets, on top of that its an easy way for mafia to hide by claiming they used an item and got x result

 

Right now, town needs information more than the mafia does, so if it does not directly inhibit the role, then it should be given to us.  Also, "easy recruitment targets" are never risky because people always say "He would have been a great recruitment target because he used that role once" so its not really as easy as first look.  And finally, we're not stupid enough to just accept everything at face value, but if people reveal, we get a better idea of whats going on in the game.

[Gabriel Kross]

Blahblahblah lynch this desparate turkey it's flounderan time

[Darthe]

Okay, caught up again.  Interesting activity this game and a couple of important thoughts here:

 

First, to Ape.  This is how Red plays as town thus far, though she is a good strong candidate for recruitment.

 

Second, to all about Rand: based on recent events this very much appears to be a town Rand.

 

I am clueless about Vambram but his train is very contrived, especially how it built in the beginning.  With this said...

 

Our objective is ultimately to catch those who are anti-town, correct?  Yes, thus in this we must lynch.  Lynching is our main (perhaps only) method of removing those who we find most lacking from the game.  Thus we need kills regardless of alignment right now.  Why regardless of alignment?  Because the numbers are so far against us that our current goal is to weed out anyone and eliminate their confusion from the thread.  Thus killing obtuse players is advantageous.  The entire first half of this game is about gaining information.  Once the ghosts have sufficient numbers we will be able and effectively hunt them.  Until then we simply remove those of highest risk and if we happen to hit scum then that is an advantage to us.  Because if they recruit at the same pace we lynch we can't get ahead, ever.  Thus, their must be some limiting factor, recruiter, etc.  

 

This is the other point I want to mention.  Assuming that nobody who started was scum etc is only a disadvantage to us.  DPR has not stated otherwise, and without someone being scum to start 1) town would have immediately won, 2) I can't think of a way that recruiting would be limited save the mods discretion which can't happen in a non-bastard game, 3) assuming otherwise can screw us so badly at Lylo.

 

With this in mind I am clearly going to unvote vote vambram because we need death for now, but as of tomorrow we NEED to find the people who began to advocate and push the idea of no mafia from Day One and those should be our main targets.  

[RandA lThor]

Vam is L-2

[Red2111]

@ Womby - I don't have that noted in my notes. pls quote where Rand said that for future reference.

 

I also didn't note your No Lynch thing because I recognized what you were doing. do you plan to go back and analyze it any time soon?

 

 

@ Darthe - nice WIFOM on me. i'm an equally strong candidate; which makes me a risky recruit until after I've been viewed in a normal game where the recruiting feature is unknown to the masses. in this game, i'd be a risky recruit because i'm going to attract attention to myself, likely get viewed multiple times and get lynched within the first 5 days.

 

 

and there I go WIFOMing myself with you. goota love those cups don't you

 

 

 

and why do people keep saying "n one started as scum, this is a dis advantage" we've narrowed down the most likeliest point the scum came into play (pending Ithi confirming her time stamp on her item PM) the fact we can pin point when the scum came into being within 75% accuracy makes the point of none of us starting the game as scum null imo.

 

in retrospect, 15 pages in is not that far in for this game. so people need to stop acting like this is a crutch and be happy with the fact that at least we know there's a cult and can be proactive before they own 1/3rd of the own.

 

what we need to do is focus on finding the cult leader; lynching from those not viewed and viewing those who haven't been viewed. hit the cult leader, they lost their recruit, maybe even their kill. most important is not letting them implode their numbers.

[Songstress]

I'd rather go with Rand again myself but we do need a lynch.

 

Vote Vambram

[Darthe]

Red, that is possibly one of the laziest things you've ever said on DM.  Anybody is potentially a threat, potentially convertible, etc, but in addition you and a couple of others happen to be playing like it.  I currently see you as town, but that doesn't make you less reckless.

[WWWwombat]

I've been thinking a bit about the scenes and It seems that ghosts have unique thermal signatures.  Nolder, I think we need to start testing for geysers tomorrow.

[Talya]

I unvoted and voted for Vam.

 

Vote Vam

 

Again.

 

Maybe Talya doesn't want to get viewed. EP was proven Human after Turin's death. Do you think EP used a Vig Kill on Turin @ Talya - is that what you are getting?

 

Not at all, I think the scene shows him investigating Turin's death. 

 

@ Red, I'm not trying to discredit her at all, now you are twisting things, something you seem to be doing a lot of. She has a very powerful and helpful object, and so can be very helpful to town, if she is turn very unhelpful...so don't you think it would have been good to know for us that she is checked.