Ghost Mafia - 3 out of 33 survive - Town wins!

Talya · May 20, 2013

That was at EP

Gabriel Kross · May 20, 2013

Actually this would be different if some are one shot, then yes they should tell us what they did. As the objects can move around then knowing what an object does is not so important than in a game where they have roles. It's the person who has it. And they should say anything until they have done what they have etc. Ithi's is different she claimed because she was on the lynch path.

Also we have now had two kills. If there is an object that has a killing power, is it a one off then moved on or does it stay with one play for a while like Ithi's. If it stays, it might suggest that whoever had the object yesterday may still have it today and got recruited over the hour...hence the difference in the scenes, one definitely killed by a ghost. It could be that the object moved this hour to someone else and they were a ghost.

You are assuming thos items dont get replenished each hour and given to someone else, I however am not keep item info to yourself for the time being people

John McClane · May 20, 2013

Actually this would be different if some are one shot, then yes they should tell us what they did. As the objects can move around then knowing what an object does is not so important than in a game where they have roles. It's the person who has it. And they should say anything until they have done what they have etc. Ithi's is different she claimed because she was on the lynch path.

Also we have now had two kills. If there is an object that has a killing power, is it a one off then moved on or does it stay with one play for a while like Ithi's. If it stays, it might suggest that whoever had the object yesterday may still have it today and got recruited over the hour...hence the difference in the scenes, one definitely killed by a ghost. It could be that the object moved this hour to someone else and they were a ghost.

What is the point of all the questions? All we need to know is that we've seen 1 death per "hour" in the game.

I don't understand the point of all this... feels like you are trying to deter from the goal of lynching.

Gabriel Kross · May 20, 2013

Actually this would be different if some are one shot, then yes they should tell us what they did. As the objects can move around then knowing what an object does is not so important than in a game where they have roles. It's the person who has it. And they should say anything until they have done what they have etc. Ithi's is different she claimed because she was on the lynch path.

Also we have now had two kills. If there is an object that has a killing power, is it a one off then moved on or does it stay with one play for a while like Ithi's. If it stays, it might suggest that whoever had the object yesterday may still have it today and got recruited over the hour...hence the difference in the scenes, one definitely killed by a ghost. It could be that the object moved this hour to someone else and they were a ghost.

What is the point of all the questions? All we need to know is that we've seen 1 death per "hour" in the game.

I don't understand the point of all this... feels like you are trying to deter from the goal of lynching.

Lets just lynch Rand or Nolder and move on

Gabriel Kross · May 20, 2013

Let's analyze Rand's montstrous post that he's so proud of shall we?

1. Admits that he sees what I am saying about telegraphing cases but says that he was worried about getting distracted in such a large game and therefore telegraphed his case to remind himself. This doesn't hold water for me. I usually don't reread my own posts. Furthermore, if I wanted to remind myself of something, I wouldn't bury the reminder in the game thread where I might forget it but the mafia may very well see it. Rand's explanation is implausible imo.

2. Misinterprets Ape's vote on him to be for making an annoying quote block when clearly, the Ape was voting Rand for the content of the quote (as implied by Ape's expressed interest in anyone who may have followed his Ithi/Verbal lynch suggestions).

3. Pokes fun at and dismisses another couple votes on him. This seems odd to me. Seems like he is trying to force a casual attitude towards votesd against him or he needs something to fill out his post.

4. Agrees with my no lynch suggestion, albeit with somewhat convoluted reasoning (this is the only thing about this post I even remotely like).

5. Launches into a bloviating treatise on grammar designed to criticize EP and defend Nolder. This mammoth paragraph is needlessly verbose as well as incorrect. Furthermore, he explicitly refuses to summarize it. I could summarize his point in seven words: EP sucks at grammar; Nolder didn't slip. That wasn't so hard was it? So why doesn't he do this? Because he wants a mammoth post that looks impressive but says very little other than chastising EP and defending Nolder. This is further supported by his apparent disappointment at the lack of comments on his post.

Rand has now overdefended both EP and Nolder as well as having tried to entangle the alignments of Hallia and Lily with that of Ithi. Scumtastic.

unvote

Vote: Rand

For those of you wondering as to how exactly Rand's grammatical argument is incorrect, it is because EP's interpretation of Nolder's post was technically correct. It is true that the suffix -ing can be used to turn a verb into a pure noun, but in this case, such an unambigious interpretation of Nolder's words would be iffy at best. That is not to say that Nolder did not mean what Rand said he meant. I don't recall Nolder having impeccable grammar and this is a very minor mistake, so I think to call it a slip is pretty silly. That being said, it is equally absurd to say that EP's interpretation of Nolder's statement is grammatically incorrect. In fact, out of context, EP's interpretation is much more likely than Rand's. The verb "to recruit" already has a noun form ("recruitment") that Nolder could have used in his post without having to resort to the -ing suffix, thereby avoiding any possibility of his noun being interpreted as a gerund. That being said, I think the context of the sentence makes it clear that Nolder meant for the phrase to be interpreted in the way that Rand interpreted it. Still, claiming that EP's interpretation is grammatically incorrect is downright false and, in my opinion, qualifies as either overdefense of Nolder, or arrogant ignorance.

Also, I'm not sure why Rand says the word "recruiting" is not tied to any other verb or noun in the sentence, as with either Rand's interpretation or EP's interpretation, the word "recruiting" is the object of the verb "stop," but that's not particularly relevant to this game.

1. You're basing it off what you do, I do go back and look at my posts when making a case because I have a tendency to forget things, so it works for me.

2. Oh Ok, that's why, I honestly didn't know what that vote was for.

3. That was one vote...

4. The reasoning helps me think, that made me reach the same conclusion as you.

5. No, that was half criticizing EP and half practicing for my SAT because they ask questions like that. :P In all seriousness, I didn't want to do it in your short summarized way because then someone would have just told me either no, or explain why. Guaranteed. And please explain to me how it is incorrect. Wait nevermind you go into it later.

Yes, I overdefended the confirmed town and corrected a grammar mistake. So sorry.

And as for the grammar, I should have clarified that recruiting was connected to any noun or pronoun that implied possession. And plus, even as a verb, "we can stop recruiting" does not imply possession of the recruiting by we. Thats what I was pointing out was grammatically wrong.

I do recall not being a confirmed townie when you over defended me... you're logic is baaaaaad

UNVOTE VOTE RAND

literally just based on the bolded comment in green in the quote

Also this summarizes the 2 biggest cases on Rand, everyone else just followed Wombat mostly

Sakaea · May 20, 2013

Up to page 41.....

Verbal32 · May 20, 2013

I think my list as of now is Nolderp, Talya, Tina, of the people actually contributing.

Can someone sum up the case on Rand, I was on him on D1, but it seems the reason he's being run up today is different? I don't really trust any reads I have from D1, because I can't remember if I formed those thoughts before or after the mod scenes. Too lazy, and not enough of a sure-thing, to waste time going back and trying to retrace my thinking.

Bottom line on Rand is that he indirectly defended Nol when pointing out the "grammar case" EP had on Nol was wrong. But Wombat responded that EP's case wasn't as much based on technical grammar as it was based on context. At that point, a train formed.

Gabriel Kross · May 20, 2013

I think my list as of now is Nolderp, Talya, Tina, of the people actually contributing.

Can someone sum up the case on Rand, I was on him on D1, but it seems the reason he's being run up today is different? I don't really trust any reads I have from D1, because I can't remember if I formed those thoughts before or after the mod scenes. Too lazy, and not enough of a sure-thing, to waste time going back and trying to retrace my thinking.

Bottom line on Rand is that he indirectly defended Nol when pointing out the "grammar case" EP had on Nol was wrong. But Wombat responded that EP's case wasn't as much based on technical grammar as it was based on context. At that point, a train formed.

And then Rand proceeded to put his foot in his mouth

Talya · May 20, 2013

Actually this would be different if some are one shot, then yes they should tell us what they did. As the objects can move around then knowing what an object does is not so important than in a game where they have roles. It's the person who has it. And they should say anything until they have done what they have etc. Ithi's is different she claimed because she was on the lynch path.

Also we have now had two kills. If there is an object that has a killing power, is it a one off then moved on or does it stay with one play for a while like Ithi's. If it stays, it might suggest that whoever had the object yesterday may still have it today and got recruited over the hour...hence the difference in the scenes, one definitely killed by a ghost. It could be that the object moved this hour to someone else and they were a ghost.

What is the point of all the questions? All we need to know is that we've seen 1 death per "hour" in the game.

I don't understand the point of all this... feels like you are trying to deter from the goal of lynching.

What questions. We need to know more than there is 1 death an hour... That information could provide us clues to who the mafia. Lynching gives us the chance to prove that information. an Object was given out not long before Turin was killed. There is information in DPR's posts...so why don't we use it!

Gabriel Kross · May 20, 2013

Actually this would be different if some are one shot, then yes they should tell us what they did. As the objects can move around then knowing what an object does is not so important than in a game where they have roles. It's the person who has it. And they should say anything until they have done what they have etc. Ithi's is different she claimed because she was on the lynch path.

Also we have now had two kills. If there is an object that has a killing power, is it a one off then moved on or does it stay with one play for a while like Ithi's. If it stays, it might suggest that whoever had the object yesterday may still have it today and got recruited over the hour...hence the difference in the scenes, one definitely killed by a ghost. It could be that the object moved this hour to someone else and they were a ghost.

What is the point of all the questions? All we need to know is that we've seen 1 death per "hour" in the game.

I don't understand the point of all this... feels like you are trying to deter from the goal of lynching.

What questions. We need to know more than there is 1 death an hour... That information could provide us clues to who the mafia. Lynching gives us the chance to prove that information. an Object was given out not long before Turin was killed. There is information in DPR's posts...so why don't we use it!

because you are advocating letting the mafia know what to expect, I'm willing to vote you even if you are town at this point if you cannot see why this is bad...

Sakaea · May 20, 2013

Ok, shortlist for scum from me is TGlems, Vambram, Hallia, and Nolder, no particular order. I think TG is because he was defending Hallia when I voted her originally, too much buddy buddy for me there. Vambram, really, no scum reads at all? FoS you. Hallia, covered that. Nolder, still seems like a scum slip after reading all 50+ pages you freaks with no weekend life posted.

So Vote Vambram. I'll be in and out the rest of the day.

Sakaea · May 20, 2013

Oh, and was totally convinced EP was scum til the whole mod confirm thing. EP, your playstyle hurts my brain.

Oh, and I think the Ape is town.

Hallia · May 20, 2013

Ok, shortlist for scum from me is TGlems, Vambram, Hallia, and Nolder, no particular order. I think TG is because he was defending Hallia when I voted her originally, too much buddy buddy for me there. Vambram, really, no scum reads at all? FoS you. Hallia, covered that. Nolder, still seems like a scum slip after reading all 50+ pages you freaks with no weekend life posted.

So Vote Vambram. I'll be in and out the rest of the day.

You were suspicious of me back in the day when everyone was town still? O.o

Nolder · May 20, 2013

Has anyone ever actually seen a Freudian slip happen during a forum game? :rolleyes:

Gabriel Kross · May 20, 2013

Ok, shortlist for scum from me is TGlems, Vambram, Hallia, and Nolder, no particular order. I think TG is because he was defending Hallia when I voted her originally, too much buddy buddy for me there. Vambram, really, no scum reads at all? FoS you. Hallia, covered that. Nolder, still seems like a scum slip after reading all 50+ pages you freaks with no weekend life posted.

So Vote Vambram. I'll be in and out the rest of the day.

Really you're still on the Hallia thing? and Tglems for defending her? You must not have read very well, We know that at page 15 we were all Town, you voted Hallia for a post she made before pg 15 I think? (please correct me if I'm wrong)

Gabriel Kross · May 20, 2013

Ok, shortlist for scum from me is TGlems, Vambram, Hallia, and Nolder, no particular order. I think TG is because he was defending Hallia when I voted her originally, too much buddy buddy for me there. Vambram, really, no scum reads at all? FoS you. Hallia, covered that. Nolder, still seems like a scum slip after reading all 50+ pages you freaks with no weekend life posted.

So Vote Vambram. I'll be in and out the rest of the day.

You were suspicious of me back in the day when everyone was town still? O.o

We can't gurantee that everyone was town for the entire first HOUR but we know up until page 15 everyone was town

Talya · May 20, 2013

Ok, shortlist for scum from me is TGlems, Vambram, Hallia, and Nolder, no particular order. I think TG is because he was defending Hallia when I voted her originally, too much buddy buddy for me there. Vambram, really, no scum reads at all? FoS you. Hallia, covered that. Nolder, still seems like a scum slip after reading all 50+ pages you freaks with no weekend life posted.

So Vote Vambram. I'll be in and out the rest of the day.

so when you first voted for Hally, when the chance of two mafia were slim, you thought there was buddying. This doesn't ring true. Ahhh.. Ep beat me to it.

Hallia · May 20, 2013

Right EP, but back when she went for me it was that early; back in the day for me wasn't referring to an actual day, just a while back. XD

Nolder · May 20, 2013

There's 31 players alive right now and we need to lynch someone by tonight, where is everyone?

Sakaea · May 20, 2013

Just going with my gut. Still suspicious of you, Hallia, but more so of Vam. Hence my vote.

John McClane · May 20, 2013

I think my list as of now is Nolderp, Talya, Tina, of the people actually contributing.

Can someone sum up the case on Rand, I was on him on D1, but it seems the reason he's being run up today is different? I don't really trust any reads I have from D1, because I can't remember if I formed those thoughts before or after the mod scenes. Too lazy, and not enough of a sure-thing, to waste time going back and trying to retrace my thinking.

Bottom line on Rand is that he indirectly defended Nol when pointing out the "grammar case" EP had on Nol was wrong. But Wombat responded that EP's case wasn't as much based on technical grammar as it was based on context. At that point, a train formed.

Got it.

Actually this would be different if some are one shot, then yes they should tell us what they did. As the objects can move around then knowing what an object does is not so important than in a game where they have roles. It's the person who has it. And they should say anything until they have done what they have etc. Ithi's is different she claimed because she was on the lynch path.

Also we have now had two kills. If there is an object that has a killing power, is it a one off then moved on or does it stay with one play for a while like Ithi's. If it stays, it might suggest that whoever had the object yesterday may still have it today and got recruited over the hour...hence the difference in the scenes, one definitely killed by a ghost. It could be that the object moved this hour to someone else and they were a ghost.

What is the point of all the questions? All we need to know is that we've seen 1 death per "hour" in the game.

I don't understand the point of all this... feels like you are trying to deter from the goal of lynching.

What questions. We need to know more than there is 1 death an hour... That information could provide us clues to who the mafia. Lynching gives us the chance to prove that information. an Object was given out not long before Turin was killed. There is information in DPR's posts...so why don't we use it!

Are you frakking kidding me? Sitting here and playing "how many if, then scenarios can we come up with" is not doing ANYTHING to get us closer to learning more about the setup. All we know is what has transpired. It's a distraction, and muddles the game, while allowing you to look like an active participant.

John McClane · May 20, 2013

Has anyone ever actually seen a Freudian slip happen during a forum game?

I've seen Vicious post an entire copy/pasted defense meant to go into his scum QT in the game thread. I think that counts.

John McClane · May 20, 2013

There's 31 players alive right now and we need to lynch someone by tonight, where is everyone?

Get me a vote count.

At this point, we've seen what happens when town doesn't reach consensus and misses the lynch. I'd like to see what happens when we do get our lynch on.

Red2111 · May 20, 2013

up to page 32.

@ Mod: can you link your scenes in the OP please *sweet smile*

Peace is still top of my list, i still didn't like the Rand lynch, Cloud is now #2 and i'm not sold on Halia being innocent.also, t

he Ape is being his usually hairy lazy self. that is all for now.

notes -

#462: EP[/url] - ”So lets get this straight Red admonishes me for being lazy yet she suggests the laziest option out there, Peace being one of her other options has 2 votes but she wont vote him? Mark my words now Peace and Red are mafia team mates, again I never said anything that had anything to do with exaggerating anything on size of trains, I said we should run up trains on Verb and Notbob.

Red is making posts of nonsense except breadcrumbing doubts on Peace just incase we go that route I agree with Ithi on the fact that she is not "encouraging me" to do anything we've barely had any back and forth at all

”

the No Lynch isnt lazy and i explained my reasoning, stop trying to twist shit.

nice linkage of me and peace, noted for the future. and bread crumbig doubt for Peace, how exactly am i doing that considering i’ve been FoSing him since my first post and even posted a case on him there captain obvious?

and you exaggerated the size of the trains by stating that they were trains with only 1 vote on them a piece.

#467 - [url=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/82002-ghost-mafia-game-thread/?p=2909874]Tal[/url]: i dont see that post as Verb defending Halia, just stating the obvious on a person who doesn’t have Meta on players.

#468 - [url=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/82002-ghost-mafia-game-thread/?p=2909875]Halia[/url]: so you;d lynch a person you think is town just to prove yourself right to the rest of us? why would you do that if you’re town. why do you feel its more important to prove your town rather than keeping a person alive whom you think is town.

#478: [url=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/82002-ghost-mafia-game-thread/?p=2909909]Cloud[/url]: setting up future lynches, same as Peace. big ping imo

#492: [url=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/82002-ghost-mafia-game-thread/?p=2909942]Halia[/url: ping again. generally, nilla townies are willing to the the opposite. why would you want to lynch someone you believe is town and has an item over yourself with no item?

#499: [url=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/82002-ghost-mafia-game-thread/?p=2909954]Cloud[/url]: you should take your own advice. you do realize its rather hypocritical to FoS someone for something you yourself are doing correct.

#564: [url=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/82002-ghost-mafia-game-thread/?p=2910243]Tress[/url]: i agree about Peace. he’s continually FoSd Ep, but hasn’t built a case on him and all of his posts towards EP seem to be aimed to incite a reactionary Emo post from EP, rather than discrediting his ploys. its one reason Peace is high up on my list.

#597: [url=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/82002-ghost-mafia-game-thread/?p=2910460]Cloud[/url]: this post pings big time.

- the parroting of the Rand lynch reasons, after not really mentioning it until it gained traction

- the fence sitting on Halia with this line ”Hallia.. most players are seeing her mistakes to be genuine but I still have my doubts regarding her. I have more of a town read on her now than last night though because TG is so certain that she will flip town.”

- then parroting the TGI train.

i especially dislike his stance on Halia, he’s trying to be on both sides, either you want to lynch her or you think she’s town. you cannot think she’s town but still place doubt on her alignment. you’ve just jumped up to the #2 spot on my list.

#600 - [url=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/82002-ghost-mafia-game-thread/?p=2910475]Crusher[/url]: Ithi explained this. skimming much?

#602: Ape: ”don't agree with the idea that we should be analyzing and incriminating people for being on trains, before we know the alignment of the person whose train they are on. This also reeks of sloppy scum opportunism. Like you are either trying to divert a lynch from a scum partner, which is less likely, or like you are trying to seed cases for lynches that'll take place AFTER Turin is lynch... setting up future lynches.”

hey einstine, you do realized Turin was killed right? or are you just skimming you lazy Ape. your post reeks of sloppy scum opportunism.

#603: [url=]: you want an analysis of Rands wagon, get up off yer lazy hairy rump and do it yerself.