Enter the Dragon Mafia [Basic] D5: Town Wins!!

[csarmi]

Actually, am I the only one who finds that Darthe seems to add nothing of value?

 

Darthe, why is that you're so sure Tsuki is scum? Why aren't you voting him, if you do think so?

[Darthe]

You know, if you paid attention you might have caught that I have stated since the first few pages that Suki is tossing out common and clear newbie scum tells.  Or that I have been suspicious of others (one of the first to vote dice, questioning mish, etc) and followed them to the point of temporarily letting go of my case on Suki.  However, I refuse to let go of my biggest finds all game and that in 43 pages Suki has never responded clearly to my case with counterarguments, that he hasn't pushed or led anything, that he hasn't helped and is protected by people like you leads me to the obvious conclusion that he's scum.  

 

You're actually losing a lot of credibility in my eyes lately.  You can confirm townies or reveal scum that you supposedly viewed without fail and yet won't for no real reason that you give and you're protecting someone that everyone swore they would be happy to kill days ago.  

 

What is really bothering me here is a gut thing though.  Why has nobody really questioned your reveal?  You're not forthcoming whatsoever, actually refusing to share information when you could be dead by tomorrow and that info be lost.  It's not only counterproductive, but outright stupid if town and not much better if mafia.  Literally nobody else seems to be questioning this though and they should be because it looks like a textbook fake cop claim.  Really bugging me. 

[dapianoplay3r]

Well...that's one way to use the role I guess.

I loled

 

RTE isn't a god father IMO. 3 shot cop, means mafia have an advantage, hence no godfather

 

So, mills

 

I'd be happy to see him gone

unvote vote mills

[csarmi]

We could mass role reveal. Already have the important roles out in the open.

1) This one was made when the Dice lynch seemed almost inevitable. Bringing up a mass role reveal is scummy in my book. 

 

I'm around to hammer too. unvote

2) This is something that bothers me too. First of all, you don't unvote RTE for quite a while (only when almost everything is done), also while you've been around to hammer, you never did. Yes, it is quite possible that you simply forgot to unvote and not doing the hammer is not your fault, there've been some 4 players around.

  

Myself, Tsuki, Noldor, Mish, Darthe. That's who's left. Something we're forgetting is that there's a chance Csarmi could have viewed the mafia godfather in RTE.

3) Forgetting Millon. Which was explained below (you would case him later). Pointing out Godfather is something I found pro-town.

 

Results Csarmi?

4) This one pings too. Only the maffia has a reason to be impatient and want the cop result so much. Town is unaffected, town just plays on, does his cases and trusts the cop to know what to say and when to say. Even a noob cop like me.

 

It's 1+4 that pinged me the most and what I find interesting is that you did not quote those yourself.

[csarmi]

It's not a big case (I'll probably read up later to find more), just a simple explanation on what nagged at me about you.

[csarmi]

 

Well...that's one way to use the role I guess.

I loled

 

RTE isn't a god father IMO. 3 shot cop, means mafia have an advantage, hence no godfather

 

So, mills

 

I'd be happy to see him gone

unvote vote mills

 

I also believe that there is no godfather. According my role PM, I'm the real slim Shady, I'm real pro at disguises and I see right through all kind of them. It sounds so sure... but I suppose it would in any case.

[csarmi]

vote Mills

 

This is something I can get behind. Tiink's case is quite good.

[csarmi]

Mills, please tell us what you think about the game. I'd start with casing the unconfirmed players.

 

Darthe, can I ask you to start playing instead of adding nothing and attacking me? If it helps you, we can establish that I'm a lousy player and I'm a bad and inexperienced cop. You don't have to point that out again. I got it.

[csarmi]

Please don't put Mills over L-2. I'm willing to lynch him, but I'd like to hear him out. If he's scum, he would want to try and defend himself. If he's town, it might be his last chance to help us.

[dapianoplay3r]

Btw did you get mafia last night?

 

You don't have to tell me who but just curious if you are holding town or mafia in your pocket

[Millon]

Wow. Okay. That is a strong one against me. On my phone tonight but I'll try to address the case when I get to work.

 

What can I say now though. That case is tough. I can say I'm town til I'm blue in the face but the more I try to say I am the scummier it looks.

 

Holding my vote for Rand. Okay, I call him out for jumping the gun and then you expect me to follow in kind? I thought it odd for Rand to go in like that before everyone even signed in. Seemed off. And I did vote Rand. I tried to bold it but it didn't go. I am technologically inept.

 

"And I need to stop....." I was attempting to be lighthearted to down play how ineffectual and unproductive to the game I have been. I've played two other games. Lost one. Won one. I believe Nol was in both if at the least one of them. Think it was Ithi's Starwars game. Think that was well over a year ago now. I have no clue what I'm doing so just trying to stay active and watch, learn, ask questions and offer my opinions. I remember the conversation about lurkers a bit and I still think its the best way for scum to hide. NO OFFENSE to anyone but it could be very easy to lie and say I'm sick/at work/computer problem/cloud flare. You follow? So I said I always go for lurkers because since then I do. I think, if you can't be active enough in a game you should back out. It's not helping town at all by not being here. If you are inactive town that just offers more opportunity for dead end hunts and wasted time and effort.

 

Looks like yes I did forget I voted. Lol I got mixed up. Should have said why my vote stands. The self vote on top of what I thought was over eagerness seems scummy. Then my suspicion got list in the carry on of the game.

 

Playing from my gut is not another newb card. I just stated I have a hard time forming arguments. After that I was asking a legitimate question about the game. How is that scummy?

 

Yes. Code failed but if anyone had read what I posted you could not have missed the attempt at voting. It was there. I wasn't there to back it up.

 

 

And I THINK I covered Tink's massive wall of quotes. Not trying to answer more like this on the phone. Lol it's late and scrolling back and forth sucks. I'll try to get to the rest of every one else's thoughts at work tomorrow.

[Millon]

Wow put down more than I thought I would. Good night all.

[csarmi]

Actually.

 

Unvote

 

FOS Mills

 

For tactical reasons, I find it best if I'm the one doing the hammer today. My stance remains. Limit is L-2 again.

[csarmi]

Btw did you get mafia last night?

 

You don't have to tell me who but just curious if you are holding town or mafia in your pocket

Yea I bet that the maffia is dying to know that. All will be revealed in good time.

[Darthe]

I've read the case agianst millon and while decent, I would rather see the rest of the response before making a decision there.  I think this entire line of thought has somewhat caught me with my pants down as I didn't pay any attention to him really..  Kind of embarrassing.

[csarmi]

What do you think about Tiinker?

 

What about Nolder?

[michellem]

What is really bothering me here is a gut thing though.  Why has nobody really questioned your reveal?  You're not forthcoming whatsoever, actually refusing to share information when you could be dead by tomorrow and that info be lost.  It's not only counterproductive, but outright stupid if town and not much better if mafia.  Literally nobody else seems to be questioning this though and they should be because it looks like a textbook fake cop claim.  Really bugging me. 

It bothers me too, but I fully expect him to give what he has by the end of the day. We're not anywhere near LyLo, so even if he is mafia, it's no big loss if he lives another day and gets lynched then.

 

Csarmi: You really don't understand why townies want the info? It's to make sure we don't WASTE TIME. Say if you had viewed Mills last night, and knew he was town, we could move on and try to find mafia. And if you knew he was mafia, there's NO reason not to say so right away so we can get him lynched and be done with it. It might just be a DM standard, but I've NEVER seen anyone get a guilty-result, and NOT SAY IT as soon as possible. Blah blah learing from interactions blah blah; the point is to kill the mafia.

 

Mills; you didn't explain your vote on me, and then completly dropping it, and then pushing on Tsuki later....

 

Darthe, it's not that I don't see your points about Tsuki, but to me you're getting awfully close to tunneling. Would like to hear some thoughts on the rest of the players. We still have two more mafia out there probably.

[dapianoplay3r]

Yea im ok with him not saying who he viewed

if ww were lynching someone he viewed tas town hen id expect a claim, but other than that im not to fussed

[csarmi]

Mish, the way I see it is this:

 

The Viewing contains information. That information is more crucial for the maffia at this point, as they would want to adjust their strategy.

Townies shouldn't be concerned by my viewing right now. Thie role is to hunt scum. That may be done just fine.

 

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We are not wasting time now, we're gathering information, getting reactions, watching the interaction enfolding. Again, town has nothing to hide, while scum do! Talking, "wasting time" is good for town. I would think you're aware of that fact, Mish.

 

For example, take Mills case as an example. At this point, I'm not going to deny or confirm whether I viewed him. PAFO.

 

If I viewed him, I got a town or a not-town result.

Now if I viewed him town, spending time on his case might help us gain information on the maffia.

If I viewed him scum, spending time on his case might help us gain information on the maffia.

 

Because everyone has to react.

 

Now I'm not an experienced cop, but this is how I think it should be. Feel free, to point out the flaws in my reasoning.

[Nolder]

I don't care much either way as long as you out your info before you die...

 

But I will say this, withholding information in an effort to trip up the mafia wont actually matter if

 

A. They don't trip.

B. We aren't savvy enough to catch any trips.

 

Point being that I don't think it makes a difference and the people harping about it are either worried mafia or misguided town. So if you're town, simmer down because you can't control what Csarmi is going to do anyway. Just go with the flow and watch for the trips and continue to case.

[csarmi]

Dear Mod God,

 

Can we have a votecount and a Deadline up?

[csarmi]

I don't care much either way as long as you out your info before you die...

 

But I will say this, withholding information in an effort to trip up the mafia wont actually matter if

 

A. They don't trip.

B. We aren't savvy enough to catch any trips.

 

Point being that I don't think it makes a difference and the people harping about it are either worried mafia or misguided town. So if you're town, simmer down because you can't control what Csarmi is going to do anyway. Just go with the flow and watch for the trips and continue to case.

Totally agree there. Today's the last day for games.

We will have to be savvy, by the way, because starting tomorrow, we won't have anything, but the people cleared and our scumhunting work.

[csarmi]

For now, I will say this. I'm quite disappointed with my viewing.

[csarmi]

I would like everyone to share his ideas, scum lists and casework today.

[csarmi]

 

So, a Dr. can, in certain games, protect themselves? Can they protect the same person more than once? Could she have protected herself or does it mean she used her protect on the Cop who has, I think, one more 'shot' left?

depends on the mod really

 

I did ask the mod if the Doc could self-protect, he PAFO'd me. I brought this up at the start of the night to try and direct the NK on the doc. Add some extra wine :)