[Advanced] The Dresden Files Mafia - Game Over - Ed loses, Verbal wins

[ed2funy]

@ Ape (in general to the game)

 

 

Because I wanted to see what would happen. It is obvious he IS a reporter. It's not a simple counter claim. Whether he is scum or not is the question, and I needed to see how he would play it. 

Nothing in his actions have dissuaded me from thinking he is scum. 

[John McClane]

A character that NEVER MISSES might explain our N1 dead doc.

[Tyler Glembo]

This might be my favorite .gif of all time.  I don't think JCM is doing it to the game to the extent others do, but pretend Jesus McChrist is the golf cart:

 

[Niniel]

I can't help you with any of those questions. I don't know anything about the show. I don't know what kind of weapon he would use or how good he is.

[Lenlo]

 

Well, it´s clear that Ape didn´t view me. So who did he caught in his "trap"? I need to re-read some before adding more but Leelou still looks scummy.

That rules out leelou. I think if you were town you'd be curious why Lenlo and others knew NOT to follow me. Townies would just believe me. I'm an uncountered cop. Scum knows.

 

But you aren't town are you? So that explains the faulted logic

Except this isnt true. If you came out and said you viewed her and found her to be not town then yes I would vote with you without hesitation, but you havnt said that. For all I know this could be your gut or instinct or some stupid case youve concocted. Tell us whether or not you have viewed her with a yes or a no. Otherwise I am assuming this to be a case you came up with, which I dont really believe.

[Nolder]

I can't help you with any of those questions. I don't know anything about the show. I don't know what kind of weapon he would use or how good he is.

It's a book series not a show.

[Niniel]

:D Okay.

[John McClane]

 

 

Well, it´s clear that Ape didn´t view me. So who did he caught in his "trap"? I need to re-read some before adding more but Leelou still looks scummy.

That rules out leelou. I think if you were town you'd be curious why Lenlo and others knew NOT to follow me. Townies would just believe me. I'm an uncountered cop. Scum knows.

 

But you aren't town are you? So that explains the faulted logic

Except this isnt true. If you came out and said you viewed her and found her to be not town then yes I would vote with you without hesitation, but you havnt said that. For all I know this could be your gut or instinct or some stupid case youve concocted. Tell us whether or not you have viewed her with a yes or a no. Otherwise I am assuming this to be a case you came up with, which I dont really believe.

 

 

Meh, the credibility of your defense is questionable.

 

In every game I've played, when an uncountered cop drops a solitary vote like I did on Tina, it usually means there's a guilty. The fact that you knew immediately to challenge it SHOULD be brought into question. To me, it reads as if you were so caught up in knowing I was full of shit, you didn't think about how it would be perceived by calling me on it.

 

Anyway, we get it. You didn't want to follow me, yada, yada, yada... How about telling us who you DO believe to be scum? You, like peacesells, have been more focused on hunting ways to challenge and/or discredit me, than hunting scum. 

[peacesells]

 

 

 

 

@Peace - Did you really just vote an un-cc'd cop? 

 

Unvote, vote Peace

did you bother reading my post?  keep skimming the whole game tglems and making opportunistic votes.

 

 

 

Yes I did.  I disagreed.  You're saying that in a game of 20 people the fact that the cop, with only two opportunities, hasn't caught scum yet means that it might be a fake claim?  Really?  That is your argument?  Or that because there are reporters who report "rumors" and have an equal chance at outing a town PR as they do scum that a cop may not even exist?  

 

Peace, your arguments make no sense.

 

 

No, that wasn't my argument. Go read it again..then read it a third time. My WHOLE point is that there are too many investigative roles in this game for there to be a Sheriff and a deputy. I don't believe his claim. The fact that he hasn't provided a guilty view yet and refuses to provide his last view leads me to this conclusion..along with the general over powering of town if he is telling the truth.

 

Don't chop up my post...read the complete story then make a judgement as a whole...as that is how it was presented.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it´s clear that Ape didn´t view me. So who did he caught in his "trap"? I need to re-read some before adding more but Leelou still looks scummy.

That rules out leelou. I think if you were town you'd be curious why Lenlo and others knew NOT to follow me. Townies would just believe me. I'm an uncountered cop. Scum knows.

 

But you aren't town are you? So that explains the faulted logic

 

 

 

This.  Tina has, self proclaimed, taken a couple shots.  One hit town, one hit scum.  The character she claimed in the series NEVER MISSES.  I'm thinking that it's possible she is SK or that she is on a second mafia team.  

 

Ed, you stated you viewed AVM night one...makes sense.  Who did you view last night?  I may have missed you stating that. 

 

Vambram is the only dead last night.  Normally Boo, still being alive would look really scummy but it can also be that the scum team didn't get their shot off.

 

Boo said he viewed AVM N1, not Ed.  Also, why are you defending Boo here?  Do you really think that on a scum team, with multiple players, not a single one of them logged in for 36 hours to fire their shot?

 

I corrected that in my very next post.  That was supposed to be directed at ED.  Tglems, building your case on obvious miscues is scummy.  You've been skimming the whole game and this is more proof.  In fact you haven't even contributed until I voted you and you got scared.

 

1. TGlems

3. Turin

4. Lenlo

5. Ed  REPORTER

7. Peace

8. Leelou

10. Ape  COP

12. Hybrid

13. Tina VIG

14. Nolder

15. Verbal CITIZEN

16. AVM CITIZEN

18. BooBoo REPORTER

19. Crusher Rand

20. Katioria

 

Normal games have 25% scum. So that means 4 of the remaining players are probably scum, we've already had a 3rd party. Can't imagine there being anymore.

 

Also, so far the reporter results have shown true so they should be trusted for the time being.

 

If APE outs his last confirmed town then 7 of the last 15 are confirmed. That means we can focus on the other 8 players.

 

Lets add that if Ape is a sheriff and knows who the deputy is (or that player comes forward) then that could add an additional confirmed town player. Making 8 of 15 confirmed. That would mean 4 of the last 7 are scum.

 

1. TGlems

3. Turin

4. Lenlo

7. Peace

8. Leelou

12. Hybrid

14. Nolder

19. Rand

20. Katioria

 

Without Ape's added info that is the list we need to focus on. With Ape's help we can narrow it down..but I'm sure he will be obstinate and not let us know what he's got. (Even though he could die tonight.)

 

BTW..I'm not trying to make you look like scum Ape..I'm trying to make you helpful to the rest of us.

 

There is nothing lost at this point for all investigative roles to come forward at this point. There are already a boat load of night targets. Hiding doesn't do anything but hinder town now.

 

Trying to draw out town PRs.  Scumtastic.  And trying to figure out who all the cop has viewed.  Scumtastic part 2.  Not at all scummy if you had the capability of understanding this is a numbers game at this point...unless Ape is lying about his role.  That is the only scenario where this isn't a numbers game.  Your refusal to even consider this point means you are playing scared.  Town should always be open to other views and acknowledge other possibilities even if they think its unlikely.  Take off your blinders...if you are town.  If not...keep em on.

 

 

 

@ peacesells - why don't you make a case on someone, rather than grill me for information. Me holding off blurting everything out is good for town, it won't be lost with my death. So move past it and focus on scum hunting. All you are doing now as pressing me for info, and making yourself look suspect.

I'm about as concerned with looking suspect as you are with town winning this game(sarcasm). Did you even bother reading my post. This game can be wrapped up by tomorrow or the next day.

 

 

 

How can the game be wrapped up by tomorrow?  Is there only one more scum left?  Only two?  You do the math. Not likely.

  I didn't say the game would be over.  Sheesh..how obtuse can you be?  If Ape is town and he does as I suggested then we can know who all the scum are as soon as tomorrow or the day after.  If the reporters have some luck..everyone would be outted by then.  They it's just lynch em til they are gone. 

 

Nolder, Tglems, Rand...hiding all game. (Song/Turin too?)

 

Lenlo, Kat, Hybrid...hedging all game.

 

I'd say all the scum are in those 2 groups.

 

Notice peace suddenly brings up my name without any follow-up and then...  More proof you are scumming.  I put you in the unconfirmed pool several posts before thins.  Just shows you did not actually read my "numbers game" post.  You just saw your name and got scared.

 

Vote Tglems

 

Hybrid votes me without mentioning Peace at all.  Scum team trying to play off each other while keeping distance?

 

Question about killing methods, the last death said "shotgun several times", and a coin fell out of the body, as if to imply someone was impaled by a coin (kind of like how Gambit throws playing cards in X-men).

 

We saw a man torn to shreds, and another shot by a sniper bullet on N1. And that whole thing about a guy with a sword leaving the Library, but taht was tied to csarmi.

 

So... is anything to be gleaned from this stuff, or is it pure flavor not meant to hint?

 

Coin is a symbol of their being a Denarian.

 

 

 

Nolder..how does a reporter help the scum team?  They will never look at one of themselves...so basically all they accomplish is increasing the pool of vetted players. 

 

Makes no sense and is the only reason why I think Boo is town.

 

It can force out a power role, I dunno... like the cop. 

 

If scum had the reporter and the survivor the roleblocking ability, that could have crippled the town. 

 

Anyway, my logic says don't lynch either Boo or Ed today, let scum decide what to do with them. WE get 2 more reports regardless, by letting them live. We can collectively vote for who they report on, who Tina shoots and who I view in night phase.

 

 

 

This, more reports are probably better than less.  We may have a scum reporter (possibly) but rather than risk mislynching a town reporter I'd rather go from the rest of the pool.  Open reports do nothing but hurt scum.  Closed reports would be helpful to scum.  Even arguing this point is horrible.  With 1 supposed cop and 2 reporters we could have the whole game vetted in 4 nights.  How does scum benefit from that in any way?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As dawn rises on Chicago, the supernatural community rises from their beds. They know something is up. Word has been spreading. Something has come hunting in their city, and they will fight back will all they have.

Elsewhere, their enemies plot to destroy any opposition. They will kill any who stand in their way.

 

It is Dawn. Do Not Post.

 

This is where i'm getting 2 scum groups from. just so you know...

 

 

 

Sounds like scum + sk, not necessarily 2 scum groups. But feasible. 

 

Any chance this game has conversions in it? Would explain the multiple investigative roles more.

 

 

 

I doubt conversions, and this sounds like a SK + scum to me, making me think Tina is SK.

 

Claimed roles.

 

Watcher

Doc

Reporter

Reporter

Cop

Vig

 

Unlcaimed

Role blocker/redirector  (No scum kill last night)

Possibly Deputy (Ape hinting at)

 

All adds up to tremendously OP'd town. 

 

Has Ape given us 1 scum yet?  We have think there is a possibility that Ape is fake claiming hoping that either the real cop won't counter claim this early in the game..or there isn't with with the 2 reporters actually being the cops.

 

Here peace starts to push Ape getting lynched as cop with terrible logic.

 

UNVOTE  VOTE APE IN THE CHINA SHOP.

 

And then votes the un cc'd cop.  When there is tons of wifom about the reporters being town or not.  

 

I say peace is scum.  His play makes me think Booboo might be scum reporter with him.

You act like I didn't state any reasons for my vote.  You are just a scummy skimmer.  You are part of the pool and you are playing scared.

 

 

My points are in blue.

[peacesells]

 

 

I can't help you with any of those questions. I don't know anything about the show. I don't know what kind of weapon he would use or how good he is.

It's a book series not a show.

 

 

Dresden files is a show too.

[John McClane]

@pee smells

 

You don't believe my claim?

 

I was outed as Cop by Ed, and confirmed it. Nobody has countered me. Nobody has stepped up as Karrin Murphy either. I've assured you guys that my results will not be lost if I die. I never claimed Sheriff, never claimed to have a deputy. That's a wifom for scum, if you were town you'd appreciate that and let it ruminate.

 

It was YOU that assumed I am a Sheriff, and started talking about a deputy, and then started wanting to know who it is. Not me. I entertained it to see where you were going. 

 

Why in the world would I divulge all of this into the thread? Scum already has the upper hand on information, you want me to basically hand them a road map for how to stay ahead of us. I agree that it is a numbers game, so why would I hand over the information now that would allow scum to retain their numbers? Dumb.

 

I'm using the information I have as a asset in evaluating who is left.

 

You are throwing a tantrum because you are scared to try casing anyone because you know it's going to make you suspect if you case someone I know is town.

 

That's all this is actually about.

 

Now... you've successfully derailed any attempts I've made to scum hunt while retaining the knowledge I have, you are building a case for "not believing" my claim, and voting me, and pushing a lynch on me... part of me thought you are doing it to suck scum into a trap, but then that would be too obvious and they won't bite, so that leads me to think you are scum, or are just dumb as hell.

 

I asked you to scum hunt and you turn around and case me, so that you don't have to actually pick anyone that I might already know is town. I am the least likely person to be lynched today. Talk about hiding in plain sight. Grow a pair of balls and make a move against someone in the game if you are town. What you are doing now is either stupid, or transparently coward scum play.

[peacesells]

I'm casing you Ape. I'm not scared. I'd be foolish to case a unCC'd cop right? Except you keep avoiding the following question.

 

How about you explain the apparent discrepancy in the town having so many investigative roles?

[Tyler Glembo]

DM is eating my posts so I'm copying and pasting from word.  Apologies for horrible looking post, but, responding to peace's ridiculous scum floundering...:

 

 

 

No, that wasn't my argument. Go read it again..then read it a third time. My WHOLE point is that there are too many investigative roles in this game for there to be a Sheriff and a deputy. I don't believe his claim. The fact that he hasn't provided a guilty view yet and refuses to provide his last view leads me to this conclusion..along with the general over powering of town if he is telling the truth.

Don't chop up my post...read the complete story then make a judgement as a whole...as that is how it was presented.

 

I read your entire post, don’t act like there is a shred of anything town in it.  You can question the un-cc'd cop all you want but that doesn't make it not scummy.  He hasn't provided a guilty view yet because he has had two shots into a pool of 20 possible.  Run the math, that is a 1/4th chance of hitting on N1 and a 5/18th chance on N2.  Is it possible, yes, but is it completely reasonable that he didn't hit scum, yes.

 

 Your whole point is "too many investigative roles" but instead of attacking a reporter, of which there are two (and you defend Boo), you go after the un cc'd cop.  Why not go after the reporters?  Why not consider scum might be equally overpowered with framers and GFs and RBers and other random powers?  Why not consider anything else like that INSTEAD OF VOTING THE UN CC'D COP?  When I'm cop I don't out people I investigated if I don't have to because it only gives scum (you) a target to shot at.

 

 

  
Boo said he viewed AVM N1, not Ed.  Also, why are you defending Boo here?  Do you really think that on a scum team, with multiple players, not a single one of them logged in for 36 hours to fire their shot?

I corrected that in my very next post.  That was supposed to be directed at ED.  Tglems, building your case on obvious miscues is scummy.  You've been skimming the whole game and this is more proof.  In fact you haven't even contributed until I voted you and you got scared. 
Go back and reread peace.  I've contributed both in terms of scum hunting and in terms of trying to vet townies based on canon.  Would you like me to list all my 55 posts for how I've contributed or do you want to just recant your lie now? And why don't you address the second point, why do you only address the simple miscue?  Oh, right, you can't because you have no defense of scummy behavior.

 

Trying to draw out town PRs.  Scumtastic.  And trying to figure out who all the cop has viewed.  Scumtastic part 2.  Not at all scummy if you had the capability of understanding this is a numbers game at this point...unless Ape is lying about his role.  That is the only scenario where this isn't a numbers game.  Your refusal to even consider this point means you are playing scared.  Town should always be open to other views and acknowledge other possibilities even if they think its unlikely.  Take off your blinders...if you are town.  If not...keep em on.
 Are you serious here?  I can't tell.  You are saying, that because I think the un CC'd cop is a cop that I'm playing scared?  Peace, you can't just spout random crap and expect to be taken seriously.  You’re floundering badly peace, better go back to your QT and ask for some help.

 

 
How can the game be wrapped up by tomorrow?  Is there only one more scum left?  Only two?  You do the math. Not likely.  I didn't say the game would be over.  Sheesh..how obtuse can you be?  If Ape is town and he does as I suggested then we can know who all the scum are as soon as tomorrow or the day after.  If the reporters have some luck..everyone would be outted by then.  They it's just lynch em til they are gone.  
 

First you say that the game is overpowered for town so you think Ape is scum and fake.  Then you say that we can win the game by following Ape’s lead and quickly outing scum.  If you really believed the town was OP’d then you’d expect scum would have some way to make up for it and realize that your “scenario” is unrealistic.  Of course, you already know that which is why you are flip flopping.  Keep going though, scum shenanigans are amusing.

 
Notice peace suddenly brings up my name without any follow-up and then...  More proof you are scumming.  I put you in the unconfirmed pool several posts before thins.  Just shows you did not actually read my "numbers game" post.  You just saw your name and got scared.
 

You mentioned me before.  Great.  But you never have followed up until I pushed on you, which makes you the scared one, not me. And you randomly are flinging names around like you’re trying to spread as much scum wifom as you can before you go.
This, more reports are probably better than less.  We may have a scum reporter (possibly) but rather than risk mislynching a town reporter I'd rather go from the rest of the pool.  Open reports do nothing but hurt scum.  Closed reports would be helpful to scum.  Even arguing this point is horrible.  With 1 supposed cop and 2 reporters we could have the whole game vetted in 4 nights.  How does scum benefit from that in any way?

 

 Really, Peace, you’re losing it again.  How about the reporter hitting a town PR, outing them, and them ending up NK’d.  You know, like how the cop got outed?

And then votes the un cc'd cop.  When there is tons of wifom about the reporters being town or not.  
 
I say peace is scum.  His play makes me think Booboo might be scum reporter with him.
You act like I didn't state any reasons for my vote.  You are just a scummy skimmer.  You are part of the pool and you are playing scared.

 

I act like the reasons you stated for your vote are either insane, inept, wrong, or scum.  Nothing to do with skimming, but if that is the best defense you can muster then go right ahead.

 

Your points are scum agenda.  My points follow them in green.

[peacesells]

Yes, please point out which of your 55 posts consisted of scum hunting.

Yes, you only started once I voted you.

You think I should go after Boo? I started the Boo train and wanted him lynched. In fact, he got 1 or 2 votes away from being lynched until his claim. More skimming from you. I have definitely not been protecting Boo.

The fact that Ape is completely disregarding my Numbers plan is basis for me considering him scum. He knows it won't work cause he is scum and not a cop.

The reporters are basically cops, if accurate. So your "thou shall not go after a claimed cop" hold a lot less weight.

Also consider the words being used to reveal in the rumors section. "may very well be the cop."

There are way to many ifs for you to be taking hardline positions in this game.

[Hybrid]

Unvote, vote peacesells

 

You do realize that ed targeted Ishy N1 and the alignment and character were correct, right?  He's the one who targeted Ape N2.  On what earth does that make Ape scum?

[Hybrid]

 

Vote Tglems

 

Hybrid votes me without mentioning Peace at all.  Scum team trying to play off each other while keeping distance?

 

I had just posted a case on you, you clown.  How about you actually read my posts?  I had peace as a town read at the start of the day because I thought he was the second Reporter.

[peacesells]

yes I realize that.  What part of the word "May" is not understandable?

[Hybrid]

So your theory is that ed's role was random and Ape just happened to luck out that there is neither a Karrin Murphy nor a Cop in this game?  And this ridiculous scenario is grounds for an immediate lynch on Ape?  That's rich, considering you just posted about it being a numbers game.

 

Spin more.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

I had just posted a case on you, you clown. How about you actually read my posts? I had peace as a town read at the start of the day because I thought he was the second Reporter.

So, 5 pages earlier you said that 3 of my posts were speculation about setup and that I had also posted some other stuff. That was your case. 5 pages earlier. Sorry I missed that you had "just" posted a case on me.

 

What is more important here is the scum tactic of how to coordinate without appearing to in the thread. Scum often follow each others points without mentioning each other. That way they keep distance while working together. I noticed what I thought was coordination between you and peace without mention of each other. That is what I was trying to bring up.

 

Now peace has pushed to a point where I don't think even his scummmates will be able to avoid bussing him so I am taking your last couple posts into account but am still skeptical.

[Tyler Glembo]

Yes, please point out which of your 55 posts consisted of scum hunting.

 

Yes, you only started once I voted you.

 

You think I should go after Boo? I started the Boo train and wanted him lynched. In fact, he got 1 or 2 votes away from being lynched until his claim. More skimming from you. I have definitely not been protecting Boo.

 

The fact that Ape is completely disregarding my Numbers plan is basis for me considering him scum. He knows it won't work cause he is scum and not a cop.

 

The reporters are basically cops, if accurate. So your "thou shall not go after a claimed cop" hold a lot less weight.

 

Also consider the words being used to reveal in the rumors section. "may very well be the cop."

 

There are way to many ifs for you to be taking hardline positions in this game.

On my phone now, but I disagree. You can ISO me to check into scum hunting, but I will try to posts quotes tomorrow when I can get to a computer.

 

You can equivocate amd take both sides on the point peace. Your numbers plan assumes a wildly overpowered town, which you at the same time point out is not likely. But then you only go after the cop instead of considering any other scenario.

 

Also, how do you figure a reporter who can potentially reveal power roles to scum is equal to a cop who can keep the information private and use it intelligently to help town?

 

Finally, I am going to claim a hard line position. I know the source material and Karrin Murphy has not been CCd. Neither has the cop claim. Ed's reports have proven true already in the game. Everything fits so unless JohnSnow is straight up evil mod and messing with us, Ape is cop.

[John Snow]

Official Vote Count:

 

Tina(1): Kat

Ed(2): leelou, AVM

Len(2): Ed

Ape(1): Peace

Peace(3): Ape, TGlems, Hybrid

Boo(1): Nol

Kat(2): Tina, Boo

 

Not Voting: Turin, Lenlo, Verbal, AVM, Rand

 

Sorry guys..was at work

[John Snow]

Question about killing methods, the last death said "shotgun several times", and a coin fell out of the body, as if to imply someone was impaled by a coin (kind of like how Gambit throws playing cards in X-men).

 

We saw a man torn to shreds, and another shot by a sniper bullet on N1. And that whole thing about a guy with a sword leaving the Library, but taht was tied to csarmi.

 

So... is anything to be gleaned from this stuff, or is it pure flavor not meant to hint?

 

90% of my scenes of info to be gleaned from them.

 

Also, this is based on the books, not the underbudget contradicting TV show.

[Niniel]

I´m going to have a kids free days with my bf so I won´t be here today. Will be back tomorrow morning. 

[John McClane]

I'm casing you Ape. I'm not scared. I'd be foolish to case a unCC'd cop right? Except you keep avoiding the following question.

 

How about you explain the apparent discrepancy in the town having so many investigative roles?

 

How could I possibly explain this? I didn't create the game.

 

I know that town has at least 2 investigavite roles, those being Darthe (watcher) and myself. I know that if I die, my viewing results will be known to trusted members of the town. I'm not going to say whether it's a deputy, or if it'll be published in the Arcane, or what the deal is, but I can assure the members of the town that will need to know my results they will have them upon my death. There is absolutely nothing pro-town about you pushing for them now. No amount of pressure you try to put on me is going to make me back off that stance, you've dug your grave you are either going to die having played awful as town in a pivotal moment of the game, or as desperate scum. I hope for your sake it's the latter. I thought you were a pretty good player, but this is a joke if you are actually town.

 

On to the setup logic... we have a cop, we lost a watcher, we have people claiming to be "reporters" but logically, we have more than one protective role, we have more than one killing role. My working theory is that Booboo is not Bob, he is Evil Bob. 

 

If you read the characters wiki about both, Bob can be bent to the will of whoever owns him. It's possible there's a symp factor to it too, or something. I know in my notes I have Nolder being the first and only person this game to mention symps. It didn't ring as a hint though, but maybe he knows if there is or is not one.

 

If both Ed and Boooboo are not town, then there isn't this discrepancy you are ranting about... therefore the logical leap you should be making is to lynching one of Booboo or Ed, at least.

 

We also don't know what the scum situations is, suppose all the killing we've seen so far is by non-town players, that would make sense as a counter-balance to a lot of investigative roles for town. The next logical leap should be lynching Tina.

 

You've basically skipped right over the deductions that make sense here, and gone right after the least likely scenario. Because it's so illogical, I have to conclude that you are either scum trying to pull off a big play, because of the FACT that town is now triangulating on your team, or you are playing with a grudge equal to that you accused me of.

[John McClane]

I think this should clear up any questions about Kincaid, Tina and the shotgun vs. sniper rifles. I believe completely that Tina took both shots she is claiming. However, based on the dynamics of this character, I could easily see it being the most logical to use as a 3rd party. No loytalties to either Harry or the Denarians.

 

 

 

Jared Kincaid (the Hellhound)

Species: Half-human, half-demon scion (alleged by Ebenezar McCoy)

Occupation: Mercenary, Guardian of the Archive

Jared Kincaid is his modern name, but the Hellhound was the name used by this half-human killer when working for Drakul himself, centuries before. He appears to be in his thirties, a tall, handsome man "with dark golden hair, just long enough to look a little exotic, sporting gray-blue eyes that missed nothing...built like a swimmer more than a weight lifter, all leonine power and lazy grace taken completely for granted" but to a wizard's Sight, he appears as an enormous horned, bat-winged entity. He is a killer of incredible ability, who doesn't miss what he shoots at, tremendous (although concealed) strength, speed, and recuperative ability. He seems skilled in all the possible black op and special forces tricks and tactics one could ask for, from commenting how he'd snipe Harry down from a thousand yards away if Harry cheats him to avoid a death curse, to being able to take out two Denarians with one shot.

His combat experience is immense and not restricted to firearms. Brought down by several vampiric hounds and boosted zombies, he not only lives through the fight, he kills all his enemies. In Small Favor he is responsible for the deaths of at least five, possibly six Denarians, and is only brought down when he actually shows himself in a last-ditch effort to save Ivy. He is extremely inventive about the appropriate equipment he brings to a fight (proper costumes and identification, sawed off shotguns, boar-spears with explosive caps, paint guns shooting holy water balls, and so forth.) His recuperative abilities are immense, he can generally recover from any attack given time. Despite what seems an extraordinary amount of fighting experience, he actually has little experience with direct magical combat and wizardry (although he is VERY well versed on all the magical tricks/effects non-spellcasters can use), confessing that he'd never seen a wizard 'cut loose' like Harry did in Blood Rites. He is also a consummate actor, showing the ability to switch accents easily, and playing the part of an emergency worker as easily as that of a cop. He has a visual range that extends at least into the infrared, a sense of smell at least as sharp as a dog, and presumably superb hearing and touch to go with it.

Although possessed of a shady past, Kincaid is scrupulous about honoring his obligations, despite his own misgivings, even if it causes personal injury to himself. He has crossed paths with and shares a mutual enmity with Harry's mentor Ebenezar "Blackstaff" McCoy; the precise reason for the feud is unclear, although it dates to an incident in Istanbul about a century before the time frame of the books. All that McCoy would say on the subject was that there were certain boundaries between those in their profession based on professional courtesy and respect, and that Kincaid had crossed them.

Kincaid is currently under a continuing long-term contract to The Archive. This latter service of guarding a terribly powerful young girl seems to have softened him somewhat, as his loyalty and affection to her seem to go far above and beyond what a mere contract would require, and he seems to see himself and Harry as the only thing that Ivy has as far as family goes after she is kidnapped in Small Favor. He also worked for Ivy's grandmother when she was the Archive, and was a friend of Ivy's angry, tragic mother. Amusingly, when Kincaid sees Ivy cheerfully playing with Harry's cat Mister, he remarks "Now that's scary."

Kincaid also has a purely sexual "friendship" with Karrin Murphy, although she confesses in Small Favor that she has romantic feelings for him as well. Whether these are reciprocated is unknown, though she has stated he gave her chocolates and a gun with "we'll always have Hawaii" written on it, something Murphy refuses to comment on. Murphy also revealed his first name to Dresden in Small Favor. This relationship appears to be over as of Small Favor.

Changes ends with Harry being shot and falling off his temporary home on the Water Beetle into the freezing water with a bullet wound in his chest, and according to the author he was indeed dead. More detail emerges in Ghost Story, as Harry learns that he was shot by a high velocity sniper round fired from the rooftop of a building hundreds of meters away, almost precisely the manner in which Kincaid once told Harry he would kill him if it came down to it. Near the end of the novel, Harry discovers that he had arranged for Kincaid to kill him, believing that he would eventually lose his humanity once he accepted Mab's offer to become the Winter Knight. Molly Carpenter then removed Harry's memory of that conversation so that he could attempt to deceive Mab when they met to close the deal.