[Advanced] The Dresden Files Mafia - Game Over - Ed loses, Verbal wins

BooBoo · April 5, 2013

Ok finished rereading. Everyone is going nuts and Ape you're doing the worst job ever. Seriously you're on a warpath the way you've been voting, so glad you don't have a gun. Try to reel it back in. Pick 2-5 people you're suspicious of and stick with them for now. I get that new information changes things and there has been a lot of info dumped in the last 10 pages but doing the equivalent of a chicken running around with it's head cut off isn't gonna help anybody.

That said, it's time for JiF to die I think.

I believe Tina's claim and as I already thought JiF was scum I believe Ed's.

It makes sense for there to be a scum reporter and a town reporter and I think JiF is the scum's reporter.

Vote: BooBoo

Zero sense.

Tyler Glembo · April 5, 2013

@Peace - Did you really just vote an un-cc'd cop?

Unvote, vote Peace

peacesells · April 5, 2013

Off to the range with my father n law to shoot. Gonna put a pic up Ape on the first target. cya later

peacesells · April 5, 2013

@Peace - Did you really just vote an un-cc'd cop?

Unvote, vote Peace

did you bother reading my post? keep skimming the whole game tglems and making opportunistic votes.

Verbal32 · April 5, 2013

it's just a numbers game at this point.

Peace has a point here. It really IS just a numbers game right now, if we assume reporters and "reported" are town. We lynch from this pool until they are all dead. The majority of remaining scum will be there. If the game isn't over, then we look at the reporters and "reported".

That being said, I don't think Ape should reveal deputy (if he knows it) and town read yet. Let us lynch from the pool Peace suggested, and Ape can steer us away from people we shouldn't be targeting based on his info.

Simple.

Verbal32 · April 5, 2013

TIna, you quoted my post then voted me with no other info.. come to think of it this is the second time you've just voted me for the heck of it it seems. What else do you expect me to do but vote you for the heck of it.. lol I"m not sure that you're lying but i'm definitely not sure you're telling the truth.

And i stated the obvious that it's weird that you're claiming vigilante but there's only been 2 deaths at once and there's supposedly 2 bad guys... doesn't leave a lot of room for vigilantes. Last night you were the only one that killed and i find it hard to believe that either the two bad guys either targeted the same protected person or both got blocked separately and one has gotten blocked both nights.

Why are you being obtuse about the number of kills.

N1, Tina said she killed Darthe (sniper rifle), and I'd guess that scum killed Piano. I have to assume he didn't self-protect? Since the roleblocker (csarmi) was lynched D1.

N2, Tina said she killed Vambram (shotgun blasts), and there was no other kill. Which most likely means scum shot at ME, since it was obvious to some people that I tipped that I was Cop while going after Ishy. Verbal obviously saw it.

You are making it sound like there's Tina's kill, plus 2 others. We've seen no evidence of a 3rd killing role. Unless you are slipping up here and tipping your hand in some way... but otherwise, no, we can account for the kills that Tina has claimed and nobody has countered her.

I think her kills are pretty pro-town too. She hit scum, and she shot Darthe whom a lot of people thought was scum.

Do you find it odd that Tina has claimed kills with 2 different weapons? That doesn't appear consistent with the way roles kill in mafia - if you're the SK with a knife, then your kills are all stabbings. If you have a sniper rifle, then all of a sudden the next night you use a shotgun? Doesn't add up.....

Tyler Glembo · April 5, 2013

@Peace - Did you really just vote an un-cc'd cop?

Unvote, vote Peace

did you bother reading my post? keep skimming the whole game tglems and making opportunistic votes.

Yes I did. I disagreed. You're saying that in a game of 20 people the fact that the cop, with only two opportunities, hasn't caught scum yet means that it might be a fake claim? Really? That is your argument? Or that because there are reporters who report "rumors" and have an equal chance at outing a town PR as they do scum that a cop may not even exist?

Peace, your arguments make no sense.

Tyler Glembo · April 5, 2013

it's just a numbers game at this point.

Peace has a point here. It really IS just a numbers game right now, if we assume reporters and "reported" are town. We lynch from this pool until they are all dead. The majority of remaining scum will be there. If the game isn't over, then we look at the reporters and "reported".

That being said, I don't think Ape should reveal deputy (if he knows it) and town read yet. Let us lynch from the pool Peace suggested, and Ape can steer us away from people we shouldn't be targeting based on his info.

Simple.

This. And yet Peace goes and votes the un cc'd cop.

John McClane · April 5, 2013

Can we get a vote count up in this moFo?

John McClane · April 5, 2013

TIna, you quoted my post then voted me with no other info.. come to think of it this is the second time you've just voted me for the heck of it it seems. What else do you expect me to do but vote you for the heck of it.. lol I"m not sure that you're lying but i'm definitely not sure you're telling the truth.

And i stated the obvious that it's weird that you're claiming vigilante but there's only been 2 deaths at once and there's supposedly 2 bad guys... doesn't leave a lot of room for vigilantes. Last night you were the only one that killed and i find it hard to believe that either the two bad guys either targeted the same protected person or both got blocked separately and one has gotten blocked both nights.

Why are you being obtuse about the number of kills.

N1, Tina said she killed Darthe (sniper rifle), and I'd guess that scum killed Piano. I have to assume he didn't self-protect? Since the roleblocker (csarmi) was lynched D1.

N2, Tina said she killed Vambram (shotgun blasts), and there was no other kill. Which most likely means scum shot at ME, since it was obvious to some people that I tipped that I was Cop while going after Ishy. Verbal obviously saw it.

You are making it sound like there's Tina's kill, plus 2 others. We've seen no evidence of a 3rd killing role. Unless you are slipping up here and tipping your hand in some way... but otherwise, no, we can account for the kills that Tina has claimed and nobody has countered her.

I think her kills are pretty pro-town too. She hit scum, and she shot Darthe whom a lot of people thought was scum.

Do you find it odd that Tina has claimed kills with 2 different weapons? That doesn't appear consistent with the way roles kill in mafia - if you're the SK with a knife, then your kills are all stabbings. If you have a sniper rifle, then all of a sudden the next night you use a shotgun? Doesn't add up.....

You are reaching.

Verbal32 · April 5, 2013

Am I?

Verbal32 · April 5, 2013

Maybe it is just flavor, but I've never seen that before. Made me think 2 different killers. Also makes me wonder if Tina slipped up when she revealed, not realizing that info was out there. Dunno. Just pointing it out.

Katiora · April 5, 2013

As dawn rises on Chicago, the supernatural community rises from their beds. They know something is up. Word has been spreading. Something has come hunting in their city, and they will fight back will all they have.

Elsewhere, their enemies plot to destroy any opposition. They will kill any who stand in their way.

It is Dawn. Do Not Post.

This is where i'm getting 2 scum groups from. just so you know...

Sounds like scum + sk, not necessarily 2 scum groups. But feasible.

Any chance this game has conversions in it? Would explain the multiple investigative roles more.

I don't mean 2 scum groups exactly i just mean there is a mafia and something else that's not town that's probably not good for town. whether that's a SK or a evil mason group or whatever. But seeing as how i don't know what it is i label it scum "group"

And tina it's not fluff, it's my observations. How i like to decide my lynch is making my observations and then normally people pick stuff apart to death and back and i'm able to make observations from that to base my lynch off of. This game it's been impossible because ya'll don't have reasoning for half the stuff you do, or if you do you don't explain it to the people trying to lynch the people trying to kill the town. You randomly throw votes out then unvote then vote someone else.

Tyler Glembo · April 5, 2013

@Booboo - You claim Bob and claim you are reporter. You say you viewed AVM N1, right? Why did you vote AVM at the beginning of D2 then?

John McClane · April 5, 2013

Maybe it is just flavor, but I've never seen that before. Made me think 2 different killers. Also makes me wonder if Tina slipped up when she revealed, not realizing that info was out there. Dunno. Just pointing it out.

Then ask her about it, not me. This comes across as you trying to put me back on her scent.

John McClane · April 5, 2013

Or ask the mod to clarify what is and is not flavor in his scenes.

Nolder · April 5, 2013

Nolder..how does a reporter help the scum team? They will never look at one of themselves...so basically all they accomplish is increasing the pool of vetted players.

Makes no sense and is the only reason why I think Boo is town.

Balance.

Could be the reporter is the mafia's only investigative role. Yes it outs and clears town players but it also helps the scum team know who is who and what's out there. Kind of a double edged sword. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so. That plus Jif's behavior for most of the game says scum to me. I particularly don't like how he pointed out that he called Vambram scum today. Personally I don't think Vambram said very much that was even noteworthy so either Jif is the best scum hunter this game has ever seen or he knew Vambram was mafia because they were on a team together.

That's how I see it anyway.

Nolder · April 5, 2013

Ok finished rereading. Everyone is going nuts and Ape you're doing the worst job ever. Seriously you're on a warpath the way you've been voting, so glad you don't have a gun. Try to reel it back in. Pick 2-5 people you're suspicious of and stick with them for now. I get that new information changes things and there has been a lot of info dumped in the last 10 pages but doing the equivalent of a chicken running around with it's head cut off isn't gonna help anybody.

That said, it's time for JiF to die I think.

I believe Tina's claim and as I already thought JiF was scum I believe Ed's.

It makes sense for there to be a scum reporter and a town reporter and I think JiF is the scum's reporter.

Vote: BooBoo

Nolder, you know I do things for reasons.

Cryptic.

Nolder · April 5, 2013

Nolder..how does a reporter help the scum team? They will never look at one of themselves...so basically all they accomplish is increasing the pool of vetted players.

Makes no sense and is the only reason why I think Boo is town.

It can force out a power role, I dunno... like the cop.

If scum had the reporter and the survivor the roleblocking ability, that could have crippled the town.

Anyway, my logic says don't lynch either Boo or Ed today, let scum decide what to do with them. WE get 2 more reports regardless, by letting them live. We can collectively vote for who they report on, who Tina shoots and who I view in night phase.

I'd rather not...

I don't have much of a read on anyone else so I'd be relying on other peoples casing rather than my own. That doesn't sit right with me.

For the sake of argument though who would you want to lynch right now?

Verbal32 · April 5, 2013

Maybe it is just flavor, but I've never seen that before. Made me think 2 different killers. Also makes me wonder if Tina slipped up when she revealed, not realizing that info was out there. Dunno. Just pointing it out.

Then ask her about it, not me. This comes across as you trying to put me back on her scent.

Shut your pie hole. I'm not trying to make you do anything right now. I'll telegraph it for your little brain when I need to, no worries.

Nolder · April 5, 2013

TIna, you quoted my post then voted me with no other info.. come to think of it this is the second time you've just voted me for the heck of it it seems. What else do you expect me to do but vote you for the heck of it.. lol I"m not sure that you're lying but i'm definitely not sure you're telling the truth.

And i stated the obvious that it's weird that you're claiming vigilante but there's only been 2 deaths at once and there's supposedly 2 bad guys... doesn't leave a lot of room for vigilantes. Last night you were the only one that killed and i find it hard to believe that either the two bad guys either targeted the same protected person or both got blocked separately and one has gotten blocked both nights.

Why are you being obtuse about the number of kills.

N1, Tina said she killed Darthe (sniper rifle), and I'd guess that scum killed Piano. I have to assume he didn't self-protect? Since the roleblocker (csarmi) was lynched D1.

N2, Tina said she killed Vambram (shotgun blasts), and there was no other kill. Which most likely means scum shot at ME, since it was obvious to some people that I tipped that I was Cop while going after Ishy. Verbal obviously saw it.

You are making it sound like there's Tina's kill, plus 2 others. We've seen no evidence of a 3rd killing role. Unless you are slipping up here and tipping your hand in some way... but otherwise, no, we can account for the kills that Tina has claimed and nobody has countered her.

I think her kills are pretty pro-town too. She hit scum, and she shot Darthe whom a lot of people thought was scum.

Do you find it odd that Tina has claimed kills with 2 different weapons? That doesn't appear consistent with the way roles kill in mafia - if you're the SK with a knife, then your kills are all stabbings. If you have a sniper rifle, then all of a sudden the next night you use a shotgun? Doesn't add up.....

That doesn't bug me. When I mod, during the rare times that I write scenes, I usually try to think of a unique way for each player to die whether it's by being lynched, killed by the mafia, by a SK, or by a Vig. The only time I keep it consistent is if I am hinting in scenes for gameplay purposes (ie I WANT people to figure out there is a SK).

ed2funy · April 5, 2013

Maybe the Vig MO is using guns and not a specific one. Just saying.

John McClane · April 5, 2013

Ed, why did you wait this long to counter booboo?

John McClane · April 5, 2013

Susan is cut and dry good guy character. Bob, could be evil. My case on Booboo was legit, but he got saved by his claim makes sense to give scum reporter a character that could be good or bad. Most importantly, booboo was not nked last night, which is suspect. He gave us AVM and verb, both whom I thought were scum. Considering voting him at the moment.

Tyler Glembo · April 5, 2013

Well, it´s clear that Ape didn´t view me. So who did he caught in his "trap"? I need to re-read some before adding more but Leelou still looks scummy.

That rules out leelou. I think if you were town you'd be curious why Lenlo and others knew NOT to follow me. Townies would just believe me. I'm an uncountered cop. Scum knows.

But you aren't town are you? So that explains the faulted logic

This. Tina has, self proclaimed, taken a couple shots. One hit town, one hit scum. The character she claimed in the series NEVER MISSES. I'm thinking that it's possible she is SK or that she is on a second mafia team.

Ed, you stated you viewed AVM night one...makes sense. Who did you view last night? I may have missed you stating that.

Vambram is the only dead last night. Normally Boo, still being alive would look really scummy but it can also be that the scum team didn't get their shot off.

Boo said he viewed AVM N1, not Ed. Also, why are you defending Boo here? Do you really think that on a scum team, with multiple players, not a single one of them logged in for 36 hours to fire their shot?

1. TGlems

3. Turin

4. Lenlo

5. Ed REPORTER

7. Peace

8. Leelou

10. Ape COP

12. Hybrid

13. Tina VIG

14. Nolder

15. Verbal CITIZEN

16. AVM CITIZEN

18. BooBoo REPORTER

19. Crusher Rand

20. Katioria

Normal games have 25% scum. So that means 4 of the remaining players are probably scum, we've already had a 3rd party. Can't imagine there being anymore.

Also, so far the reporter results have shown true so they should be trusted for the time being.

If APE outs his last confirmed town then 7 of the last 15 are confirmed. That means we can focus on the other 8 players.

Lets add that if Ape is a sheriff and knows who the deputy is (or that player comes forward) then that could add an additional confirmed town player. Making 8 of 15 confirmed. That would mean 4 of the last 7 are scum.

1. TGlems

3. Turin

4. Lenlo

7. Peace

8. Leelou

12. Hybrid

14. Nolder

19. Rand

20. Katioria

Without Ape's added info that is the list we need to focus on. With Ape's help we can narrow it down..but I'm sure he will be obstinate and not let us know what he's got. (Even though he could die tonight.)

BTW..I'm not trying to make you look like scum Ape..I'm trying to make you helpful to the rest of us.

There is nothing lost at this point for all investigative roles to come forward at this point. There are already a boat load of night targets. Hiding doesn't do anything but hinder town now.

Trying to draw out town PRs. Scumtastic. And trying to figure out who all the cop has viewed. Scumtastic part 2.

@ peacesells - why don't you make a case on someone, rather than grill me for information. Me holding off blurting everything out is good for town, it won't be lost with my death. So move past it and focus on scum hunting. All you are doing now as pressing me for info, and making yourself look suspect.
I'm about as concerned with looking suspect as you are with town winning this game(sarcasm). Did you even bother reading my post. This game can be wrapped up by tomorrow or the next day.

How can the game be wrapped up by tomorrow? Is there only one more scum left? Only two? You do the math. Not likely.

Nolder, Tglems, Rand...hiding all game. (Song/Turin too?)

Lenlo, Kat, Hybrid...hedging all game.

I'd say all the scum are in those 2 groups.

Notice peace suddenly brings up my name without any follow-up and then...

Vote Tglems

Hybrid votes me without mentioning Peace at all. Scum team trying to play off each other while keeping distance?

Question about killing methods, the last death said "shotgun several times", and a coin fell out of the body, as if to imply someone was impaled by a coin (kind of like how Gambit throws playing cards in X-men).

We saw a man torn to shreds, and another shot by a sniper bullet on N1. And that whole thing about a guy with a sword leaving the Library, but taht was tied to csarmi.

So... is anything to be gleaned from this stuff, or is it pure flavor not meant to hint?

Coin is a symbol of their being a Denarian.

Nolder..how does a reporter help the scum team? They will never look at one of themselves...so basically all they accomplish is increasing the pool of vetted players.

Makes no sense and is the only reason why I think Boo is town.

It can force out a power role, I dunno... like the cop.

If scum had the reporter and the survivor the roleblocking ability, that could have crippled the town.

Anyway, my logic says don't lynch either Boo or Ed today, let scum decide what to do with them. WE get 2 more reports regardless, by letting them live. We can collectively vote for who they report on, who Tina shoots and who I view in night phase.

This, more reports are probably better than less. We may have a scum reporter (possibly) but rather than risk mislynching a town reporter I'd rather go from the rest of the pool.

As dawn rises on Chicago, the supernatural community rises from their beds. They know something is up. Word has been spreading. Something has come hunting in their city, and they will fight back will all they have.

Elsewhere, their enemies plot to destroy any opposition. They will kill any who stand in their way.

It is Dawn. Do Not Post.

This is where i'm getting 2 scum groups from. just so you know...

Sounds like scum + sk, not necessarily 2 scum groups. But feasible.

Any chance this game has conversions in it? Would explain the multiple investigative roles more.

I doubt conversions, and this sounds like a SK + scum to me, making me think Tina is SK.

Claimed roles.

Watcher

Doc

Reporter

Reporter

Cop

Vig

Unlcaimed

Role blocker/redirector (No scum kill last night)

Possibly Deputy (Ape hinting at)

All adds up to tremendously OP'd town.

Has Ape given us 1 scum yet? We have think there is a possibility that Ape is fake claiming hoping that either the real cop won't counter claim this early in the game..or there isn't with with the 2 reporters actually being the cops.

Here peace starts to push Ape getting lynched as cop with terrible logic.

UNVOTE VOTE APE IN THE CHINA SHOP.

And then votes the un cc'd cop. When there is tons of wifom about the reporters being town or not.

I say peace is scum. His play makes me think Booboo might be scum reporter with him.

[Advanced] The Dresden Files Mafia - Game Over - Ed loses, Verbal wins

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