[Basic] VeggieTales Mafia- Game over, Scum Win!

[Andrej]

Who do you suspect for his teammates then?

[Darthe]

Vote Darthe.

 

If it isn't obvious to everyone that he's mafia by now, then I don't know what else to say. Peace convinced me.

 

Huh?  Why would I not have killed you one of the chances that I have had?  I mean, it was as easy as hammer and game over.  The only risk would be the doc and that would be a risk anyhow as you would have claimed when at L-1 or L-2 the times you have been there.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Ishy (3/5): TG, Cloud, AJ

TG (3/5): Darthe, Tina, Mish

Darthe (1/5): Ishy

 

Not Voting (1/8): Peace

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Deadline will be Friday 9:30pm AZ time

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130322T2130&p0=197&msg=Veggietales+D3

 

TG and Ishy are at L-2

[peacesells]

 

Vote Darthe.

 

If it isn't obvious to everyone that he's mafia by now, then I don't know what else to say. Peace convinced me.

 

Huh?  Why would I not have killed you one of the chances that I have had?  I mean, it was as easy as hammer and game over.  The only risk would be the doc and that would be a risk anyhow as you would have claimed when at L-1 or L-2 the times you have been there.

 

 

Vote Darthe.

 

If it isn't obvious to everyone that he's mafia by now, then I don't know what else to say. Peace convinced me.

 

Huh?  Why would I not have killed you one of the chances that I have had?  I mean, it was as easy as hammer and game over.  The only risk would be the doc and that would be a risk anyhow as you would have claimed when at L-1 or L-2 the times you have been there.

You were teh 2nd voter.  Didn't have a chance to hammer.  You bailed after I unvoted.

[John E. Kelley]

Who do you suspect for his teammates then?

At this point it could be anyone, I honestly don't know. The only players I completely trust are myself and Peace. I pegged you as scum two days ago and still feel like you are a leading choice.

[Darthe]

once I bailed the other two got on his train and I could have hammered.   Again, what sense does that play make as mafia?  

[Tyler Glembo]

It makes perfect sense if you and ishy are mafia together. You started a distancing vote, completely backed off and now call ishy town and are using turrible arguments to try and sway people to vote town claiming that, somehow, Cloud, myself, and someone else are mafia but were too stupid to get together and speed lynch.

 

Instead you claim two of us voted and, I don't understand your argument here, marked ourselves as mafia?

 

The far simpler answer is that you and ishy are scum together and that is why you didn't hammer.

[Tyler Glembo]

Also, I still have no Internet so this is coming from my phone but I'll try to get back on in about an hour withy iPad to do a full casing on ishy and Darthe

[Darthe]

I can't wait to see this last second push. We have 13 hours until deadline.  Why wait so long for your case?

 

In any event I have said my peace on the entire thing.  I am voting mafia, the two townies who aren't can vote with me or not.  Your call.

[Tyler Glembo]

[sarcasm]Yes, Darthe, you nailed it. My casing on you and Ishy is completely last second. Obviously I haven't even looked at either you or Ishy as scum the entire game.[/sarcasm]

 

What boggles me is that you can make such incredibly inaccurante statements throughout the game and not have been lynched yet. I've been working to get you lynched the entire game for your scuminess, and you pop in with garbage statements like this where you assert that any casing from me on you is "last second." You and Ishy could not possibly be scummier or more obviously playing off of each other.

[Tyler Glembo]

So, my apologies because I'm phone posting and am having problems with quotes. However, I'll list post #'s for easy reference.

 

D1 - Darthe checks in, Ishy makes a quick joke, no big deal.

#93 Darthe starts spouting his bona fides as a great player that all others fear so that is why he gets killed quickly, essentially setting himself up as a "town leader."

#95 Ishy posts almost the exact same as Darthe.

#141 Darthe OMGUS votes me saying my posting was forced with no explanation and calls Ishy town, mentioning how Ishy is "invested in the game." Other players noted that Ishy was actually playing off his meta. Darthe also doesn't mention the entire Ishy - Tress third vote thing that was the main topic at the time, interesting that he would stay away from that.

#184 Ishy begins laying groundwork for Hallia lynch and my lynch. Strangely enough doensn't actually mention anything from Darthe who is the only vote on me at this time. Also, during the last few pages Ishy and Darthe do not mention each other, whereas multiple other players mention each of them.

#204 Ô Ishy still doesn't mention the Darthe v. Me OMGUS thing besides one quick mention that OMGUS may or may not be scummy. He then votes Hally.

#225 Darthe claims he had reasons to vote me and his vote isn't OMGUS. Doens't mention Ishy or his case on Hally.

#250 Ă Ishy discusses need to vote sooner to avoid a last minute pileup, Darthe immediately pops up and votes Hally, appearing extra townie given Ishy's previous post.

End of D1 - Darthe and Ishy never really mention each other or comment on each other cases, but follow up each others posts with similar content/response. Looks to me like mafia teammates trying to keep distance but still coordinate.

[Darthe]

Actually you've been attempting to bulldog all game with amusing results. You had a little temper tantrum because I called you out and you screwed up so you did the only thing possible and have stuck with it all game, to the practical exclusion of all else. I won't vote ishy because I am town and peace is town which means all mafia are on his lynch. Thus, you're the right candidate.

 

All that's left is for peace and ishy to realize this and vote you.

 

Really the only puzzling moves of the day are that peace didn't reveal instantly (though I know he hates to, this was no place to withhold that) and ishy voting me with two candidates so firmly in place. Deadlines etc ( though again I think he just chose the wrong side when under pressure).

[Tyler Glembo]

D2

 

#310/311 - Ishy promises to avenge Basel (always scummy) and posts long cases about Tina/Tress interactions. No mention of Darthe or course as they are keeping distance, however...

#315 - Darthe pops up to vote with Ishy's case without any comments of his own. How strange.

#316 - Ishy covers for Darthe's obvious sheeping by trying to turn it into a joke.

#321 - Ishy cases without voting, trying to nudge people, I call him out on it and after a few more posts where he sees some people agreeing he finally votes to avoid looking completely scummy.

#351 - Darthe votes me with no reasoning again, now asks Ishy to vote with him, but tries to look townie by turning it into a joke knowing he has no case. I'm assuming he is trying to give Ishy a reason to come after me.

#366 - Darthe tries to case me to justify his earlier voting, but somehow his case has changed and he mentions completely different reasons for voting me than he had previously.

#379 - Darthe continues casing. He calls Ishy out for a few scummy things that I noted, but then follows with finding ishy overall town and finding Ishy's posting to be good overall. His crap case on me is still changing, with new reasons each time. Inconsistent, but at least he is mentioning Ishy a bit, however, in this he also gives Ishy a "softball" question that is easily defended against using objective evidence. ****Scum often do this as a method of seeming to question each other while giving each other town bona fides****

#387 Darthe claims he is closest to lynch with 2 votes. Again using misrepresentation to achieve what he wants. Yes he had two votes but everyone knows that certainly doesn't mean you are being setup for a lynch.

#392 -Darthe tries to belittle my case with emotional appeal, calling it an ego stroke. Also tries to warn me off the case by claiming I will end up lynched for it if he doesn't.

#394/5 - Darthe and Ishy realize mafia needs to achieve a lynch so they "call" each other into the thread. Darthe asks for Ishy's thoughts and in post

#400 Ishy maintains distance by not really giving thoughts, but in next few posts notes he would be willing to lynch me without ever actually giving his own thoughts, instead he is just sheeping and trying to make it seem town by joking about it and keeping his posts lighthearted/only discussing objective evidence such as vote count.

#439/40 - Darthe and Ishy keep posting without mentioning each other, but in 439 somehow come to the conclusion that they both must get on the same train for completely non-scummy reasons. A train that Ishy led again, just like the Hally train.

#458 - Darthe votes Tress and basically ensures the Ishy lead lynch is secured.

#462 - Tress notes Ishy's scummy nudging and Ishy responds by saying that those who jumped on train are scummier. Tress isn't buying it.

 

End of D2

[Tyler Glembo]

Actually you've been attempting to bulldog all game with amusing results. You had a little temper tantrum because I called you out and you screwed up so you did the only thing possible and have stuck with it all game, to the practical exclusion of all else. I won't vote ishy because I am town and peace is town which means all mafia are on his lynch. Thus, you're the right candidate.

All that's left is for peace and ishy to realize this and vote you.

Really the only puzzling moves of the day are that peace didn't reveal instantly (though I know he hates to, this was no place to withhold that) and ishy voting me with two candidates so firmly in place. Deadlines etc ( though again I think he just chose the wrong side when under pressure).

Not puzzling at all. Ishy is trying to distance from you when he flips scum since you two have been playing off each other all game.

[Tyler Glembo]

D3 case will have to wait till after lunch because I am meeting up with people in 5 minutes. However, the long and short is that Darthe is trying to distance from Ishy and play a gambit all at once by voting. Once I voted with he uses some rather strange argument about how Ishy and he are both town but the mafia, instead of just winning the game and hammering Ishy once Ishy could have been hammered, instead are putting pressure on town by...voting but not hammering? Makes no sense.

 

Now that they have been outed and are linked Ishy tries to vote Darthe with no solid reasoning to distance.

 

Anyways, it was a nice gambit Ishy/Darthe but it is backfiring. You two are obvious scum team.

[Tyler Glembo]

D3 begin

 

#487 - ishy points out that doc shouldn't reveal. At LYLO. This couldn't be scummier as it drops towns chances for a correct lynch and increases scums chances.

#489 -realizing his teammate screwed up, Darthe is forced to vote him, jumping into the thread quickly.

#490- Ishy pushes back, pretending his slip isn't a slip but rather just a mafia opinion and confidence in his own scum hunting.

#494/5 - Darthe points out ishy is wrong, correctly and buddies up to AJ

#507 Darthe begins laying the ground work to avoid an Ishy lynch by saying I must be scum if ishy is scum. He never justifies this statement.

#514- Darthe says that if ishy isn't lynched it proves that either he, Ishy, or peace are mafia, which is true. We know that peace isn't so that leaves Darthe/Ishy.

#521- ishy says his lynch built to l-1 quickly and that is proof her isn't scum.

#523 ishy doesn't back down from his bad position, but he has stayed very quiet since making it, hoping for things to quiet down.

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#526- Now it gets interesting. Darthe stated that there must be mafia between him and Ishy, YET HE UNVOTES ISHY. By his own logic he is unvoting Mafia (if he is claiming town). Of course, if he is mafia then he already knows alignments anyways and are hoping we as town will ignore this fact.

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#530 ishy claims there have only been bad cases so far, likely trying to setup for Darthes new case which is coming...

#531 - Darthe first tries to walk back his claim that I was definitely mafia, then goes on to claim I am mafia due to psychology which does not make logical sense.

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He claims that, rather than hammering to win the game, Cloud and I are scum and didn't hammer because we wanted to put some psychological pressure on town or something like that.

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Darthe correctly notes a few scum team possibilities but is desperately trying to save Ishy so he leaves his vote on me based on a rather strange argument.

#537.- Darthe mentions I have been after him all game, then he uses ad hominem to try and distract from the fact I had just effectively refuted his entire argument. You know you have lost an argument when you have to resort to insults.

#545 Darthe points out scum could hammer Ishy, but don't. Darthe could hammer ishy but doesn't.

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#548 now Darthe tries to get everyone off the ishy train even though he just noted ishy was probably mafia and earlier in the day had put ishy into a position to be speed lynched by scum.

THIS IS NOT LOGICAL

if Darthe is not town why would he have put ishy in a position to be speed lynched earlier? And if Darthe is town then he would realize that mafia did not hammer ishy so ishy must be scum.

But If Darthe is scum then he knows already that ishy is scum with him and that is why he didn't hammer and is desperate to secure a lynch on anyone else to win the game.

#564 Darthe continues emotional appeal to town to hurry up and lynch me even though we have plenty of time left

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#566 - peace claims doc. This must mean, if Darthe is town, that ishy is, without question scum, but Darthe does not vote him. Darthe has been protecting his scum mate from being lynched even though, by his own logic, Ishy MUST be scum. Why won't Darthe vote ishy but continues to vote me based on a psychological profile that multiple people pointed out was rather weak? Simple, Darthe is scum with Ishy.

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#571- Dartje has continued to avoid mentoining ishy too much after it became clear ishy is mafia, instead discussing how good he is at mafia from his modding experience. If this is supposed to make people trust him and lynch me it is problematic because he has modded only one game I was in and I was town that game.

#575- Now that peace has claimed doc it is logically clear that ishy is mafia. There is ZERO other possibility for him not getting hammered. So, being completely outed. ishy votes Darthe to distance himself.

#577 - Darthe refutes Ishy's vote, using rather evidence from the game on a "softball". As I noted earlier, this is a tactic scum often use to appear to interact via scumhunting but are actually distancing.

#580 ishy spreads WIFOM about how anybody could be scum,

[Tyler Glembo]

In short, Ishy wasn't hammered which means that

A) scum team is me, cloud, Darthe. Obviously not because Darthe could have hammered ishy

B) ishy is scum and so is Darthe. Makes sense based on how Darthe has tried to protect ishy and won't vote ishy even when, by Darthes own logic (and logic in general) ishy must be scum

C) ishy, me, cloud are scum, less likely because instead of going after anybody else all day I have been going after ishy and Darthe. I would expect something more of a case on anyone else at all if we were scum together instead of just voting ishy

[Darthe]

You left out that scum is the three voting Ishy...  thats a possibility.  you guys tried to speed lynch and got screwed and are scrambling... pretty much whats happening to a T.

[Tyler Glembo]

D) scum team is ishy and some other players who haven't been able to get on as often (also a possibility I guess, tho maybe less likely)

[Tyler Glembo]

You left out that scum is the three voting Ishy...  thats a possibility.  you guys tried to speed lynch and got screwed and are scrambling... pretty much whats happening to a T.

I suppose if you really think we are incompetent enough to screw up voting for Ishy then it is possible. Of course, I'm not.

[Darthe]

You were incompetent enough to manage all of the mistakes you have to this point so I have to assume you are.

 

How long until deadline?

[michellem]

I have a really crap reason for trusting Darthe, but there it is. I think that if Darthe is mafia in this game, he could have cased me to hell and back and gotten me lynched without troubles. I've played a really bad game, I ain't gonna lie, and he would be able to pick me apart if he wanted to. The fact that he hasn't, tells me he's town.

 

I also know he also might be screwing me over, but in that case he'll get a ass-whooping whe we're done. Right now I trust him.

[peacesells]

okay..going back to my original thinking.

 

VOTE ISHY

[Kaylee]

You were incompetent enough to manage all of the mistakes you have to this point so I have to assume you are.

 

How long until deadline?

Roughly 4 hours 45mins

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Ishy (4/5): TG, Cloud, AJ, Peace

TG (3/5): Darthe, Tina, Mish

Darthe (1/5): Ishy

 

Not Voting (0/8): None

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Deadline will be Friday 9:30pm AZ time

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130322T2130&p0=197&msg=Veggietales+D3

 

TG is at L-2, Ishy is at L-1