[Advanced] US Presidents Mafia - MAFIA WIN

[dapianoplay3r]

I dont see it

[ed2funy]

[Basel Gill]

these four presidents: Carter, Nixon, W. & Obama are the most likely to have scum allignments imo.

I don't see Carter as scum. One you've overlooked given the ginormous scandals surrounding his term in office is Harding. I seriously doubt Harding could possibly be town in this game.

[Basel Gill]

because your character claim is scummy peace. and actulaly, i advocated (and still am) keeping an eye on you and bussing Rand.

 

:blink Red, is this a Freudian slip?

I haven't said anything because this is the first time today I have been able to be on DM for more than a minute at a time, and I wanted to take my time to think about it.

 

And look, there you go again.

I see what you did there, Mish. Breadcrumb received and noted.

[michellem]

Uhm, what?

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

@ Peace Alright I missed Reds poke at you about the impeached presidents. I thought you were talking about Politcal parties.

 

You are implying you are an impeached president though from what im reading and you are saying you are republican ((Not sure if IRL or in game?)) And there are no impeached Republican presidents.

Len: you're forgetting Andrew Johnson.

Johnson was a Democrat.

 

 

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Johnson is listed as Democratic.

He was Lincoln's running mate as part of a Republican ticket. And he was impeached. That means he was an impeached Republican president. President Whitmore says your point is invalid.

 

http://www.pajiba.com/assets_c/2012/07/bill%20pullman%20id4-thumb-550x298-46849.jpg

no Basel, you're wrong.

 

Lincoln ran on a duel ticket. Lincoln was Republican but chose the Democrat Johson as his running mate to try and sway favor in the Democrat party and do damage control for his opposing view to the issue of Slavery. Johnson never changed his party upon election and remained a Democrat after succeeding Lincoln from the assassination in Lincolns 2nd term.

 

i honeslty wich more tickets we're run like this, or better yet, the VP and President ran on seperate tickets like it originally was.

 

 

ehh... not really. If all the people that read it were scum, which not only would be very improbable, if the scum team coordinated to make up information like that, they might all be caught, for absolutely no purpose.

its less to do with whether its true or not and more to do with you unquestioningly following along with the thought process. it reeks of trying to blend in.

 

why would I not follow the thought process, it makes complete sense.  Also, I just pointed out that I saw what had been posted and then wrote it down.  You keep pressuring me, but you ignore the fact that on almost everything that I say that isn't originally mine, I give credit.  Not only this game, but all games.  Maybe its my tendency to always give credit to someone because of my training in English, or its just how I write things, I have no idea, but thats not blending in.

I really don't know what to say to this. I just said I agree with Nol because he said it. Nothing really beyond that happening here. I don't consciously think about my word choice. I just say what I might say in RL.

this is Mafia, we all wiegh what we say before we post it to see how it could possibly be used. either by tryign to word it to make our point clear or whether trying to bait people for various reasions. you choose to link yourself to the lead vote getter, i find that ping worthy.

 

Actually, there has been an entire mafia argument on this saying that town will just post and not worry about being scummy, they will just post their thoughts and whatever they think will benefit scumhunting.

No, again, we don't even know if electing is lynching for 100% yet though. Look at how Ed answered my question, the only thing he gave a definite yes to was are we voting to elect a president, nothing about whether this is a regular lynch or not. So all I am saying is that until we know that it is a lynch, it is somewhat risky to lynch scum, and I am on the side of not doing it right now.

what part of i'm not WIFOMing Eds statement dont you get. i've stated how i think it was meant, i'm sticking with that. you want to interpret it different', thats fine. but discussing it detracts from scum hunting imo.

But the way I interpret it is integral to who we elect, and it needs to be discussed.  And I have still been scumhunting, which you agreed with when you said that some attention on Dice would be necessary.  And IIRC, I was the first one to bring up that point.

to the blue - and for the 3rd time you are advising us NOT to lynch scum. also, this contradicts your previous stance for moving your vote off of Nol. you're fence sitting on this Rand, tryignt o argue both sides of the coin.

Stahp tunneling on one specific part.  Look right before that where I say until we know it is a lynch which means that I don't advise us not to lynch scum, I advise us not to lynch scum if we don't know for sure what the lynch does.  Of course if the rest of town goes with that option regardless of the risk, then I will be forced to go on in interest of moving this game forward.  However, while we are still arguing on this, I will go with my current opinion, which you said before you are fine with.

either you want to lynch scum, or your willign to lynch a person you suspect is town in case something odd happens. make up your mind and get off the fence.

This is already explained in the above. 

 

 

Well, as you said before, I didn't start the talk about the electing, I just saw it and thought it was important. I mean, we need to reach a consensus on what we're going to do if we don't even know whether we should vote for town or mafia. And keep in mind that while doing this, I am also scumhunting, so I am not staying away from scumhunting, I am just introducing another important game portion to our talks.

no, but you're nudging it along and =keeping the issue in the fore front. i see it as a means of distraction.

Because its important!  What happens when we lynch someone is extremely important as it could decide how this game turns out.

oh, i think all but the scum woudl agree that we should lynch scum.

Again, stop ignoring what I'm saying.  I said that if we don't know its a lynch, I advise not to try to elect scum on the first chance, until we can figure it out for sure.  Then after that we will be able to lynch scum.  

your also scum hunting? could have fooled me. seems like all you've been doing is focusing on the game mechanic to create WIFOM and defending yourself. i have yet to see you brign a case or pressure to someone.

LLL.  You already agreed with the point I made on Dice and the major FoS I placed on him.  And as for scumhunting, I am keeping an eye on reactions to this, and other discussions as well.

 

 

I don't understand what else was wrong with the blue statement, can you clarify your statement from "you're arguing not voting.... townie if we lynch Nol" ? All I tried to say was that if Ed confirmed that election is a lynch, then I wouldn't want to lynch Nol since that was for the purpose of figuring out what was happening in the game.

heres how i followed your logic.

 

original voting logic -

 

"lynch might give a perosn a power, Nol wants to be the guini pig, i think Nol is town, i'd rather test this out on a townie than a scum; so i vote Nol"

 

now, after pressure and a case agaisnt you, you flip -

 

"lynch might give a perosn a power, Nol wants to be the guini pig, i think Nol is town, i'd rather test this out on a townie than a scum; but i dont want to vote Nol cause i'm sure he'll flip town"

 

correction, I don't want to vote Nol if we know what the lynch does.  If we don't know what the lynch does, then I do want to vote Nol.

 

either you want to test this theory out of yours and keep your vote on a person you think is town; in which case why did you remove your vote in the first place.

 

OR

 

your scum and are using a non-info gaining discussion as a distraction agaisnt vote consolodation and scum hunting; and dont really care who gets the lynch so long as their town.

 

 

so which is it Rand?

 

 

And something else that no one has mentioned.  Look at the lists Red has made of presidents she will "always" lynch, especially her rant on Obama.  If she was scum, she would know which presidents were scum and which weren't, and she could say that she would vote Obama on principle as a cover behind her own biases, when in reality she knows that Obama is not on her team.  That way, if anyone called her out for voting Obama, she can just point to the multiple times where she said she would vote for Obama, which we have heard multiple times.  Not only that, but the few times she has scraped the surface of having a D&D about Obama (she hasn't done it obviously, not accusing her of going against the rules, just saying she's come the closest), could also be seen as trying to get others to agree with her so that when Obama is uncovered, she can lead a lynch on him.  This seems like a very well covered excuse to in fact vote for someone else.  Right now, my scum team would be Red and Dice, so major FoSes on both.

[Basel Gill]

Uhm, what?

You said "there you go again". That's a saying often associated with Ronald Reagan. I don't know why you would be crumbing this early in a game, but if it works for you, then by all means.

[dapianoplay3r]

I really hope Red is actually obama. Wouldnt that just be amazing

[dapianoplay3r]

Mish isnt amerrican. I had no idea what you meant basel

[michellem]

Me neither I was referring to RTE again immediatly pushing the attention from him and back onto me.

[michellem]

Also, it's been a long time since I've seen Rand this verbal in a mafia game.

[Basel Gill]

Mish isnt amerrican. I had no idea what you meant basel

 

Doesn't matter that she isn't American. I'm guessing that any of the players who know what they're doing would have googled their character if they aren't familiar with them. So it was natural to assume that was a hint.

[dapianoplay3r]

Lol i should google mine i guess

shes a bit to unknown for me

 

lol

[Hallia]

I really hope Red is actually obama. Wouldnt that just be amazing

 

I think if she had she'd be like *throws hands up* I'm out!

[dapianoplay3r]

Suicide would be her only option

[hotpocket2006]

 

I didnt get bullied. In fact what pressure got applied to me that could be bullying? cause i didnt notice it.

 

I am 100% sure I quoted the quote that Red "bullied" you into making your vote. You even admit that you got bullied and she made points that made you "change your mind". I'm not going to quote it again if you aren't even going to read it in the first place.

 

Stirring the pot is great. Making something out of nothing, meh.

 

Can we agree JFK would be town? Roosevelt too?

But isn't that kind of what Day 1 is, making stuff out of nothing and hoping something eventually comes out of it? Cuz if we didn't do that, then we'd have nothing.

 

ALso just throwing this out there, I hate meta talk. Always have. Always will. And most of the time I will not talk about or case solely on meta, unless there are other major things that go along with meta. I hate when people are all "well they act like that either way so blah blah blah". It's weaksauce.

 

Also I think the discussion of presidents is just a distraction. It was fun to try and mod the mods for a little bit, but now it's getting old. Like someone else pointed out, there's more than enough presidents to have a fake claim on the back up, so IMO guessing which presidents are or are not mafia is kind of filler.

[hotpocket2006]

 

 

 

ok, I did misinterpret this then.  I believed that the yes

was just to mention that we are voting to elect the president, and the

PAFO was for the rest of his questions.  All that happened here was a

little rearrangement of the questions.  Actually mod confirmation(please)

that the yes was in fact intended for "Is this just the flavor lynch

for the regular mafia lynch?" and not for "We are voting to elect a

president?" would be helpful.  Anyways, if it was in fact for the just

for the flavor lynch for the regular mafia lynch, then I take back

voting for Nolder and agreeing for testing this, because what will

obviously happen is we will lynch town.  Now we move onto the death

gifter idea.  Will Ed be giving them a power right before they die?

 Because if he does, then although lynching mafia will be beneficial, we

are going to have to try and find out what kind of powers they will be

given, or their team.

 

This post from Rand does ping me but it is the type of slip ups and sloppyish posting that I expect from him. Turns out he posts this way even when town. So I'm not sure what to think, but he is coming off as the scummiest to me right now.

 

I agree with what some have said, I am not inherently familiar with all the US presidents, and I'm not sure how relevant history will be to alignment in this game. You'd imagine it would be relatively accurate, but it sounds like a fair amount of it could be left to interpretation.

 

 

How come no-one else has pointed out this "gem" of a post from RTE? Biggest slip all game so far. He tries to paint Rand as Scummy McScummerson, while at the same time, says straight out that he knowns that Rand is town. Why would you say the bolded&colored if you were anything but mafia?

 

FOund the quote I wanted for my last post.

 

Also I don't know why everyone is jumping on Mish for this. I think the exact same thing. "Well this person acts this way even when he is town, so lets lynch him because he seems scummy (though he's this way when he is town too) and when he flips town I can look better because I told everyone that he could be town too."

 

Totally scummy.

[dapianoplay3r]

He doesnt straight.out aay rand is town thoughh. Thats the issie i have with it

[hotpocket2006]

 

He doesnt straight.out aay rand is town thoughh. Thats the issie i have with it

 

No but he says he's scummiest, and then adds the gem that he does that when he's town too. So giving himself an out for if Rand flips town.

[Hallia]

He doesnt straight.out aay rand is town thoughh. Thats the issie i have with it

 

So you're saying he's trying to sneak it in there like ninja in the night?

[dapianoplay3r]

It's the issue I have with Mish, trying to spin it like that

 

The way RTE spun it was scummy, but the way Mish tried to make is seem like he said Rand was town, not that his meta suggested it, was worse to me

[Lenlo]

 

because your character claim is scummy peace. and actulaly, i advocated (and still am) keeping an eye on you and bussing Rand.

 

:blink Red, is this a Freudian slip

I had not noticed this actually.

 

Vote Red

 

I think that this slip along with how she is already lining up certain presidents to be "guaranteed scum" and "I will vote him no matter what" to be worthy of a vote. Much better lead right now than Rand anyways.

[Nolder]

Just waiting to be voted president.

 

Also John you're up to make an advanced game.

[ed2funy]

Lenlo, I have you still down voting for Darthe. 

 

 

 

Vote Count - Day 1 Elections

 

 

Nolder (2) - Nolder, RandA lThor

Darthe (2) - Lenlo, peacesells

RandA lThor (4) - WolfbrotherKronos, dicetosser1, Basel Gill, Red2111

Tiinker (1) - Darthe

 

Not Voting: John Snow, Lenlo, Song of Ice and Fire, dapianoplay3r, Misheru Sedai, Sakaea, Hallia, ReleaseTheEvil, Tiinker, Hallia

 

It takes 10 votes to Elect a President.

Deadline is 12AM EST (midnight) tomorrow. Between Friday and Saturday. 

 

 

Still looking for a replacement for Andrej! 

 

For those unclear, the Hammer ends the Day, but they're not endless Days. If there is no majority at the deadline, there will be consequences.  

[Nolder]

Don't worry guys my ancestors were Mayans. I can get us out of this you just need to elect me.